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lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 08:27 PM
He was charged in the shooting death of her limo driver but he was acquitted of all of the shooting charges involved with the death of his limo driver:eek: . He was found guilty of less serious charges of tampering with evidence and other charges.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Friday, April 30, 2004



Associated Press
SOMERVILLE, N.J. -- Former NBA star Jayson Williams was acquitted Friday of the most serious charge against him, aggravated manslaughter. The jury said it could not agree on the charge of reckless manslaughter.



Williams, 36, was found guilty on four of the six lesser charges, related to tampering with evidence and attempting to cover up the shooting.



Collectively, the charges carry a maximum penalty of 13 years in prison.




Charges Jayson Williams faced
(max prison sentences and verdict)

Aggravated manslaughter (30 years) -- Not guilty
Reckless manslaughter (10 years) -- No decision
Possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose (10 years) -- Not guilty
Aggravated assault (18 months) -- Not guilty
Hindering apprehension (5 years) -- Guilty
Tampering with witnesses (5 years) -- Guilty
Tampering with evidence (18 months) -- Guilty
Fabricating physical evidence (18 months) -- Guilty




But Williams would probably receive a sentence of less than five years, the maximum for the most serious count. No date was set for sentencing. A scheduling conference to determine a trial date on the remaining count, reckless manslaughter, was set for May 21.



The jurors had deliberated for almost 23 hours when Juror No. 5 sent the judge a note shortly after 3 p.m. Its contents were not disclosed. In response, the judge asked the jurors to return to the deliberation room and to send him another note explaining whether they believed it was worthwhile to continue deliberations.



The jurors quickly sent a note back saying they could only reach a partial verdict.



The jury said Thursday that it had reached a decision on six of the charges, but could not agree on two others.



The jury then requested to rehear testimony from three of the witnesses against the retired NBA star. The readbacks began shortly after 9 a.m. Friday, the fourth day of deliberations for the eight women and four men who have sat since Feb. 10 on the case, which stems from the shooting of a hired driver, Costas "Gus" Christofi.



Williams could have faced up to 55 years in prison if convicted on all counts.



Williams displayed no emotion as he stood with his lawyers. After the verdict was completed, he sat down in his chair, leaned back and kissed his wife, Tanya, who was seated behind him. He remains free on bail.



He did not speak to reporters as he left the courtroom holding hands with his wife.



The shooting took place as Williams was giving friends and members of the Harlem Globetrotters a tour of his mansion in western New Jersey in the early hours of Feb. 14, 2002.



Testimony showed that Williams took a loaded shotgun from a cabinet, cracked it open, turned, uttered an obscenity at Christofi and snapped it closed. It then fired once, sending 12 pellets into Christofi's chest. The 55-year-old died within minutes.



Five witnesses testified that Williams then wiped down the shotgun, and four said Williams placed it in the victim's hands.



The defense has maintained the shooting was an accident and that the gun misfired. It has also asserted that the former NBA All-Star was so distraught after the shooting he could not organize a cover-up.



The trial began Feb. 10, with the jury hearing from 43 witnesses over 21 days of testimony.

decemberlove
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:11 PM
i dont know how i feel about this.

Ballbuster
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:11 PM
AND he can get probation. Since this is his first offence that is what he will get.

Good for him.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:14 PM
The prosecution fucked up the case when the defense discovered that the gun was taken apart by the prosecution which made it difficult to tell if the gum was fired intentionally or by accident. Once that was was made public and the prosecution was rebuked by the judge, I kenw he would acquitted on the most serious charges because, remember, he had to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but I knew he was going to be found guilty of some of the lesser charges.

Ballbuster
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:18 PM
The prosecution fucked up the case when the defense discovered that the gun was taken apart by the prosecution which made it difficult to tell if the gum was fired intentionally or by accident. Once that was was made public and the prosecution was rebuked by the judge, I kenw he would acquitted on the most serious charges because, remember, he had to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but I knew he was going to be found guilty of some of the lesser charges.

Me too!

but what is with these seedy district attorneys? Damn. They really had an open and shut case, all they had to do was play by the rules.

I'm glad he got off. although, I know for a fact jayson does stupid shit at times.

I'm just glad he won't be in prison.

*JR*
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:22 PM
If you're looking for a Possible Precedent (though from another state) Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis was cleared in a shooting (an obviously accurate decision) a few years ago, but he'd obstructed justice by lying for a friend re. that.

He served no time (and was the Super Bowl MVP the very next year, ironic as the incident was @ a Super Bowl party a year B4 he led the Ravens to paydirt). BTW, I knew Jayson wasn't that good a shooter! :o

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:25 PM
Me too!

but what is with these seedy district attorneys? Damn. They really had an open and shut case, all they had to do was play by the rules.

I'm glad he got off. although, I know for a fact jayson does stupid shit at times.

I'm just glad he won't be in prison.
That's debatable because the jury was hung on the reckless manslaughter charge and he can ge retried on that charge. If he retired and he is found guilty, then he will face prision time.

District attorney in NJ are pretty bad, IMO. I live in Bergen County, NJ and a couple of years ago, the prosecutor fucked up a case of a woman who accused of driving drunk and killing a family of four during Thanksgiving weekend 2001 or 2002. She was charged with manslaughter and driving drunk and was acquitted of all charges.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:28 PM
If you're looking for a Possible Precedent (though from another state) Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis was cleared in a shooting (an obviously accurate decision) a few years ago, but he'd obstructed justice by lying for a friend re. that.

He served no time (and was the Super Bowl MVP the very next year, ironic as the incident was @ a Super Bowl party a year B4 he led the Ravens to paydirt). BTW, I knew Jayson wasn't that good a shooter! :o
The Ray Lews case should have never seen the light of day but he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and was the wrong color, IMO, and came up against a Fulton County DA who wanted to make a name for himself on the back of a person who was obviously innocent.

Ballbuster
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:33 PM
That being said

Are there any people other than

Kobe Bryant
Micheal Jackson and
Jason Williams

in the press for "serious" criminal charges?

- L i n a -
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:35 PM
That's debatable because the jury was hung on the reckless manslaughter charge and he can ge retried on that charge. If he retired and he is found guilty, then he will face prision time.

District attorney in NJ are pretty bad, IMO. I live in Bergen County, NJ and a couple of years ago, the prosecutor fucked up a case of a woman who accused of driving drunk and killing a family of four during Thanksgiving weekend 2001 or 2002. She was charged with manslaughter and driving drunk and was acquitted of all charges.
He won't be retried...

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this wasn't reckless manslaughter.

Even more... it doesn't make much sense that Williams is guilty of hiding evidence, for a crime that he supposedly did not commit.

Ridiculous.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:35 PM
That being said

Are there any people other than

Kobe Bryant
Micheal Jackson and
Jason Williams

in the press for "serious" criminal charges?
Robert Blake (his trial is supposed to start on 9/13/04)
Courtney Love (her trial is supposed to start later this year)
Martha Stewart (will be sentenced on 6/17/04)

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:36 PM
He won't be retried...

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this wasn't reckless manslaughter.

Even more... it doesn't make much sense that Williams is guilty of hiding evidence, for a crime that he supposedly did not commit.

Ridiculous.
That's why I expect the guilty verdicts to be appealed.

- L i n a -
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:37 PM
That being said

Are there any people other than

Kobe Bryant
Micheal Jackson and
Jason Williams

in the press for "serious" criminal charges?
Yes, it's all racism... blah blah blah...

- L i n a -
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:38 PM
That's why I expect the guilty verdicts to be appealed.
It's very unlikely that they will be... that's just how the courts work.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:39 PM
Yes, it's all racism... blah blah blah...
Sorry if my Ray Lewis post bothered you, but it's the truth.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:41 PM
It's very unlikely that they will be... that's just how the courts work.
It depends on the retrial decesion for reckless manslaughter and I expect him to be retried on that charge.

Ballbuster
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Sorry if my Ray Lewis post bothered you, but it's the truth.

That poster is not to bright. Nonetheless, it IS a witch hunt.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:44 PM
That poster is not to bright. Nonetheless, it IS a witch hunt.
Not all the time a black celebrity is put on trial (BTW, Jayson Williams is biracial; he has a white mother and a black father), it is a trumped up charge (remember OJ, I thought he was guilty), but when Ray Lewis was arrested, I couldn't figure out why and what for.

Ballbuster
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:50 PM
Didn't his sister die of Aids, and he is taking care of her children?

*JR*
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:51 PM
Lina, sorry to Add Another miscarriage of justice To The list, But Bad Boy Allen Iverson was soooo obviously innocent of what the Philly DA charged him with that I wonder how she graduated from law school. :rolleyes:

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:51 PM
Didn't his sister die of Aids, and he is taking care of her children?Both of his sisters died of AIDS.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:52 PM
Lina, sorry to Add Another miscarriage of justice To The list, But Bad Boy Allen Iverson was soooo obviously innocent of what the Philly DA charged him with that I wonder how she graduated from law school. :rolleyes:
Lynne Abraham, the DA in Philly is a bitch who never saw a high profile case she didn't like, especially if it involves a celebrity.

Black Mamba.
Apr 30th, 2004, 09:57 PM
In America if you're a celeb especially a Black one you have to be really careful and not get caught up in stupid stuff if you don't want to go to jail. I mean if you look at the current legal issues of Jayson Williams, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jackson all this stuff could've been avoided. Jayson Williams almost shot another guy on his property years before this stuff, that incident should've have taught him to be more careful with his guns and not recklessly wield them around. In Kobe's case, all I have to say is "what were you thinking" as a high profile athlete it is important that you keep people around you at all times you can trust and who have your best interest at heart, and not just that he should've brought his wife with him and not cheated on her. Michael Jackson could've avoided his legal problems if he had totally distanced himself from little kids after the first allegation. I mean if a kid accuses you of child molestation years before, regardless of your innocence don't put yourself in a position so another person could accuse you of the same crime down the road.

lizchris
Apr 30th, 2004, 11:37 PM
In America if you're a celeb especially a Black one you have to be really careful and not get caught up in stupid stuff if you don't want to go to jail. I mean if you look at the current legal issues of Jayson Williams, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jackson all this stuff could've been avoided. Jayson Williams almost shot another guy on his property years before this stuff, that incident should've have taught him to be more careful with his guns and not recklessly wield them around. In Kobe's case, all I have to say is "what were you thinking" as a high profile athlete it is important that you keep people around you at all times you can trust and who have your best interest at heart, and not just that he should've brought his wife with him and not cheated on her. Michael Jackson could've avoided his legal problems if he had totally distanced himself from little kids after the first allegation. I mean if a kid accuses you of child molestation years before, regardless of your innocence don't put yourself in a position so another person could accuse you of the same crime down the road.
I agree with you everything except Kobe Bryant and his wife. That marriage is in name only and has been over since his child was born last year. In fact, he told his wife last March he wanted a divorce plus he was seen with other women when he was on the road.

bw2082
Apr 30th, 2004, 11:53 PM
I don't see how the jury couldn't decide on the reckless manslaughter charge. I don't go waving loaded shotguns pointed at my limo driver. Is that not reckless? c'mon

Black Mamba.
Apr 30th, 2004, 11:55 PM
I agree with you everything except Kobe Bryant and his wife. That marriage is in name only and has been over since his child was born last year. In fact, he told his wife last March he wanted a divorce plus he was seen with other women when he was on the road.


Thanks for the info on Kobe and his wife, I didn't know that. It just makes me angry that he would open himself up for allegations like this to get him.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 12:07 AM
Thanks for the info on Kobe and his wife, I didn't know that. It just makes me angry that he would open himself up for allegations like this to get him.
That's why I am angry at him too, though he strikes me as being a little arrogant just by his facial expressions. He could be sent up the river by a slut who is a nut.

disposablehero
May 1st, 2004, 12:52 AM
The reckless manslaughter should have flown, easily. 15 eyewitnesses. Obviously at least one fan on the jury. This isn't the Kobe case, this should have been a slam-dunk. I'm disappointed.

brickhousesupporter
May 1st, 2004, 01:06 AM
The reckless manslaughter should have flown, easily. 15 eyewitnesses. Obviously at least one fan on the jury. This isn't the Kobe case, this should have been a slam-dunk. I'm disappointed.
Will Kobe feel the backlash of this incident? Maybe the potential jurors will try to make up for this verdict.

Ballbuster
May 1st, 2004, 01:14 AM
Will Kobe feel the backlash of this incident? Maybe the potential jurors will try to make up for this verdict.

Nope!

Everybody knows that gal is a nutty slutt. She had semen from 3 different men, if they ever get to say that in court, she'll appear like a whoremonger. And that is not a classy act for a girl of 19.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 02:36 AM
Nope!

Everybody knows that gal is a nutty slutt. She had semen from 3 different men, if they ever get to say that in court, she'll appear like a whoremonger. And that is not a classy act for a girl of 19.

I live in Colorado man, Kobe's in for a dog fight. If he had his trial in Denver it would be different, but in Eagle County that's a different thing. On another note the Colorado Rape Shield law is pretty air tight and I don't know if the judge will let certain evidence in. However, I think Kobe's defense team is good enough to save him.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 02:54 AM
I live in Colorado man, Kobe's in for a dog fight. If he had his trial in Denver it would be different, but in Eagle County that's a different thing. On another note the Colorado Rape Shield law is pretty air tight and I don't know if the judge will let certain evidence in. However, I think Kobe's defense team is good enough to save him.
If this alleged victim was smart, she would have gone for a civil suit because after the defense is finished with her, she is going to come out of this looking worse than Kobe. It isn't fair, but she decided to charge him with rape after a night of consentual sex. If this was on the East Coast, this case would have never been brought to trial.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 02:58 AM
If this alleged victim was smart, she would have gone for a civil suit because after the defense is finished with her, she is going to come out of this looking worse than Kobe. It isn't fair, but she decided to charge him with rape after a night of consentual sex. If this was on the East Coast, this case would have never been brought to trial.


I think after the case she will go file a civil suit, but I've lived in Colorado for 8 years and Wyoming before that. I know how the system works for Black folks, in these states that's why I stress how careful you have to be if you want to stay out of trouble in states like that.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:10 AM
I think after the case she will go file a civil suit, but I've lived in Colorado for 8 years and Wyoming before that. I know how the system works for Black folks, in these states that's why I stress how careful you have to be if you want to stay out of trouble in states like that.
Well, now come word that this alleged victim and Colorado are now affecting the Olympics. Thanks to her false rape claim, Kobe Bryant most likely not be able to play in Athens as this trial is scheduled to start in late August or early September.

If she thought she was going to affect the playoffs, it looks like she isn't getting her wish.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 03:14 AM
Well, now come word that this alleged victim and Colorado are now affecting the Olympics. Thanks to her false rape claim, Kobe Bryant most likely not be able to play in Athens as this trial is scheduled to start in late August or early September.

If she thought she was going to affect the playoffs, it looks like she isn't getting her wish.

I thought he would get to play in the Olympics, that sucks.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:21 AM
I thought he would get to play in the Olympics, that sucks.
He is leaving the possiblity open, but the chances of that happening are very slim.

I blame him for messing around with this slut for hurting his chances of not playing on the team, but I blame her just as much for brining this bogus charge to the cops in the first place.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 03:23 AM
He is leaving the possiblity open, but the chances of that happening are very slim.

I blame him for messing around with this slut for hurting his chances of not playing on the team, but I blame her just as much for brining this bogus charge to the cops in the first place.

In society certain people's words are stronger than others. Kobe should've known this, but I think he'll be ok.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:26 AM
In society certain people's words are stronger than others. Kobe should've known this, but I think he'll be ok.
I know exactly what you mean.

brickhousesupporter
May 1st, 2004, 03:27 AM
Liz slut is a little harsh.....At the time Kobe probably thought she was just some small town girl ripe for the picking.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:39 AM
Liz slut is a little harsh.....At the time Kobe probably thought she was just some small town girl ripe for the picking.
This was an adult who went up to his room voluntarily after her shift was over for the purpose of trying to score with him. Even if she didn't cry rape, she knowingly had sex with a married man (she knew more about him than I did and I follow basketball) and violated the rule of her job which is she was not to fratinize with the staff because it could result in terminmation. Her actions put the hotel at risk because now people may not want to stay there because guest might be afraid if a woman is their concierge, she may cry rape if you breathe in her direction.

The definition of slut is a worthless woman. I can't think of anyone who is more worthless. And selfish.

Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 03:42 AM
a girl who sleeps around is a slut, a man who does that was just set up....:tape:

:bigcry: Kobe can't play in the olympics.... I say good. He deserves every penalty thrown his way for being an idiot and sticking his penis in a woman he didn't know, consensual or otherwise. :shrug:

Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 03:46 AM
This was an adult who went up to his room voluntarily after her shift was over for the purpose of trying to score with him. Even if she didn't cry rape, she knowingly had sex with a married man (she knew more about him than I did and I follow basketball) and violated the rule of her job which is she was not to fratinize with the staff because it could result in terminmation. Her actions put the hotel at risk because now people may not want to stay there because guest might be afraid if a woman is their concierge, she may cry rape if you breathe in her direction.

The definition of slut is a worthless woman. I can't think of anyone who is more worthless. And selfish.Well then what does that make Kobe? Because he put his wife in jeopardy... He put himself in jeopardy and he put the Lakers, (his job) in jeopardy of being able to win a championship. Now it seems his decision is affecting the USA team for the olympics...

I'm sorry someone who picks up strangers to have sex with is just as worthless as the person who is willing to sleep with them. If you threw the term slut around for both of them that would be one thing but to act like Kobe is any less shiftless than this girl is wrong, imo..

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:50 AM
Well then what does that make Kobe? Because he put his wife in jeopardy... He put himself in jeopardy and he put the Lakers, (his job) in jeopardy of being able to win a championship. Now it seems his decision is affecting the USA team for the olympics...

I'm sorry someone who picks up strangers to have sex with is just as worthless as the person who is willing to sleep with them. If you threw the term slut around for both of them that would be one thing but to act like Kobe is any less shiftless than this girl is wrong, imo..
Kobe is an asshole for putting his marriage, his job and his life on the line (this woman, if you can call her that, could have had anything based on her sexual history), but he is the one who could be going to jail for having consentual sex with someone, not her, so I care about him more than I do about her.

Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 03:53 AM
Kobe is an asshole for putting his marriage, his job and his life on the line (this woman, if you can call her that, could have had anything based on her sexual history), but he is the one who could be going to jail for having consentual sex with someone, not her, so I care about him more than I do about her.
yes, I understand that. I can appreciate that as well. However, they are both sluts...:devil:

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 03:55 AM
yes, I understand that. I can appreciate that as well. However, they are both sluts...:devil:
No argument there.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 04:02 AM
Kobe is an asshole for putting his marriage, his job and his life on the line (this woman, if you can call her that, could have had anything based on her sexual history), but he is the one who could be going to jail for having consentual sex with someone, not her, so I care about him more than I do about her.


Kobe was stupid, we all know that, but since when does stupidity equate to guilt? He was stupid for putting his family, friends, teammates, and his reputation in danger, but that doesn't mean the act wasn't consensual. How I see it in most pro sports there are so many groupies that follow these athletes, that when women approach them that appear to be groupies the athlete assumes they'll have sex and that will be the end of that. I believe Kobe thought this woman was a groupie much like the ones many athletes meet and after sex that would be the end of that, but instead she said he raped her.

lizchris
May 1st, 2004, 04:07 AM
Kobe was stupid, we all know that, but since when does stupidity equate to guilt? He was stupid for putting his family, friends, teammates, and his reputation in danger, but that doesn't mean the act wasn't consensual. How I see it in most pro sports there are so many groupies that follow these athletes, that when women approach them that appear to be groupies the athlete assumes they'll have sex and that will be the end of that. I believe Kobe thought this woman was a groupie much like the ones many athletes meet and after sex that would be the end of that, but instead she said he raped her.
Don't get me wrong; I think that he is innocent and the charges are trumped up.

Black Mamba.
May 1st, 2004, 04:16 AM
Don't get me wrong; I think that he is innocent and the charges are trumped up.

Oh I wasn't trying to comment against you, I guess I should've just made a separate thing. Sorry