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crouching
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:46 PM
Is it mathematically possible to be the women's world No. 1 having a single title in the 17 best tournament scores?

e.g. if someone is runner-up in all four GS, plus runner-up and some SFs in 6 or 7 Tier Is and 6 or 7 Tier IIs....

calabar
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:51 PM
Yes it is possible. Remember a ranking is not absolute, it is always relative to the other contestants. Tecnically, if there are 50 tournaments that are sanctioned by the WTA and every tournament had a different winner, then it is entirely possible that the person finishing secone ALL the time would out-rank someone even with a victory.

Smackie
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:52 PM
if the winners are widely distributed across the rankings and the top players are not winning, then I guess it is. Also, it depends on current ranking too.

Is it Petrova you are wondering?

But in reality, would that happen?? 99% no.

justine&coria
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:56 PM
it's never gonna happen but of course it's possible :

for example, imagine that the winners of all the tournaments play only one tournament (the one they won) in a year : then if someone plays 20 tournaments and always reaches the final, then this person is number 1. :) ;)

justine&coria
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:57 PM
But in reality, would that happen?? 99% no.

i would say 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % no

crouching
Apr 29th, 2004, 01:59 PM
urr, I'm not thinking about anyone in particular. Just a vague hypothetical question.

Although now that you bring up Petrova. Hmmm... if she makes some deep runs into the next couple of clay Tier Is, and a RG runner-up and does the same on grass and the US hardcourts, and none of the top women end up dominating most of the big tournaments.... *ponders*

calabar
Apr 29th, 2004, 02:03 PM
OK, so what are the odds that a player could win the GRAND SLAM and NOT be ranked #1? And how would you like to be THAT player ranked AHEAD of a grand slam winner knowing that your ranking is a total fraud. LOL.

crouching
Apr 29th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Interesting reverse situtaion... and I think those odds are much better.

I did a bit of number crunching. I took the points scored from the most recent four GS victories, and added to the non-GS points scored by current No. 5 Myskina to create a hypothetical player who holds all four slams and also plays quite well (but not superbly) in the Tier I and II events.

The score for this hypothetical player was 6368 compared to Kim Clijsters' current total of 6280.

crouching
Apr 29th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Hmmm... I think I shall name my hypothetical player : Anastasia Henin-Williams. *grin

fammmmedspin
Apr 29th, 2004, 08:40 PM
OK, so what are the odds that a player could win the GRAND SLAM and NOT be ranked #1? And how would you like to be THAT player ranked AHEAD of a grand slam winner knowing that your ranking is a total fraud. LOL.
Its the interesting case - suppose x won 4 GS and spent the rest of the year on a beach. She would have around 4400 points, 4 tournaments would count and her H2H and loss win ratios would look fine.

Suppose person y was runner up in 2 GS and had 2 SF but also had 10 other tournament wins a couple of runners up and a QF all counting and had 5500+ points. Over the year player y had 75 wins to player x's 28. Player y beat three times as many top 10 players over the year.

Who should be ranked number 1? Number 1 at what?

DA FOREHAND
Apr 29th, 2004, 08:45 PM
If it were Martina Hingis would come out of retirement(j/k):tape: