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CanadianGuy
Apr 26th, 2004, 11:20 PM
Just want to reply to "Martina: a Face to Remember" thread.
We should be reminded how great Martina really is, as much Venus is considered a legend,
Martina Hingis had all 4 doubles slams, with different partners that is;)
Martina has 5 slams, 1 on grass:eek:, Martina was #1 for 3 years total, etc. etc. etc.........
so the answer should be pretty simple, yes, Serena "might" be greater, argubly,
but Venus is nowhere close, gold medal or no gold medal, Jennifer without slam is only a commoner.:)

That's just what I think of course;)

arn
Apr 26th, 2004, 11:22 PM
I totally agree

VRULES
Apr 26th, 2004, 11:24 PM
I think results wise Hingis was a better player, and by a significant margin. However when it came down to them both fufilling their talents and potential Venus is better. I think when her career ends she will have had a better career, however she won't catch Hignis's weeks at numbe one. But remember Venus was the best player in the world from summer 2000 to FO 2002, and Hingis probably wouldn't have those weeks if venus played a full schedule, but that if venus's fault.
To me Venus has more skill, and obviously has more strength, speed, and endurance, and those a important traits. But by no means way Hingis a slouch, she was speedy, but she didn't have to ability to hit the winner to make it easier on herself. But she was like agassi that if she got on top of you she could drive you into the ground, but the problem was she couldn't get on top of the top player, and Venus can easily. Just like Serena and Justine can, and Lindsay in her hay day used to.

MisterQ
Apr 27th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Serena, Venus and Hingis currently stand at roughly the same degree of accomplishment, in my opinion.

If forced to choose, I would put them in this order:

Serena
Hingis
Venus

Of course V is still playing and has a decent chance of overtaking Martina if she keeps playing well.

CanadianBoy21
Apr 27th, 2004, 12:49 AM
:rolleyes: at CanadianGuy.
ANOTHER pool on Venus.

Venus BTW is as much as talented as Martina, if not more.
I hate when people put Venus' game solely on 'strength'.
What is more visible here is Hingis' weakness.

Anyway, I am done venting!

Kabezya
Apr 27th, 2004, 12:55 AM
Venus hasn't ended her tennis career. We know not what her results will be when she decides to stop playing.

Venus has to have some talent - I can't see how strength alone has given Venus all that she has accomplshed in tennis.

sioul
Apr 27th, 2004, 01:04 AM
yes i agree. i think we cant' really say who is better because venus is still playing. if i were to have to choose one right now, it would be hingis based on her results. I think she was more of a consistent player, turning in top notch results and had an incredble run at number for a gazillion weeks too. in doubles, no one compares to hingis i dont think. she was poetry on the doubles court (singles too in my opinion).

as far as talent goes. i think venus has more potential then hingis does at the moment. hingis did the most with what she was given. She maximized her court sense and played up on her strengths and for a while, relaly covered her weakness'.

I think venus on the other hand still has another transition within her. i see her turning into a new age aggresive net player. i mean with her power, she should be at the net, after every serve and she is clearly starting to do that.

two great players.

CanadianBoy21
Apr 27th, 2004, 01:13 AM
Good point sioul.

Venus has a really good net game and when she is up there it is very hard to pass her.
She should be coming in after every big serve and after every good shot.
Her baseline game is great, but it seems to be designed to make it possible for her to go to net. Her shots(especially from the backhand wing) are penetrating and she usually receives floaters.
I say attack on first serve and stay back on second until she gets opportunity.
If Venus wins couple more slams she'll be definitely better than Hingis, because it seems that slams carry all the meaning of a great player.

Stefwhit
Apr 27th, 2004, 01:22 AM
copied from another thread I posted in:

I think Hingis' career at this point in time has to be viewed as a more successful career than Venus' career. Hingis has acheived more in my opinion. In terms of who has IMPACTED the sport the most- then it's not even close! The impact that Venus has made on this sport is enough to put Venus in the history books by itself. She has to be credited with expanding the sport, bringing in a whole new audience, influencing how the game is played, influcing how players prepares off court- conditioning, strenght training, etc... But I think Venus needs to win a few more titles and slams to have a greater career, even if a case can be made now, it's not a solid case and if she gets more wins in, which she will, then there won't be any question whose career is greater...

ace4lleykim
Apr 27th, 2004, 01:23 AM
I think Martina had the total of 79 titles :eek:

Ballbuster
Apr 27th, 2004, 01:56 AM
copied from another thread I posted in:

I think Hingis' career at this point in time has to be viewed as a more successful career than Venus' career. Hingis has acheived more in my opinion. In terms of who has IMPACTED the sport the most- then it's not even close! The impact that Venus has made on this sport is enough to put Venus in the history books by itself. She has to be credited with expanding the sport, bringing in a whole new audience, influencing how the game is played, influcing how players prepares off court- conditioning, strenght training, etc... But I think Venus needs to win a few more titles and slams to have a greater career, even if a case can be made now, it's not a solid case and if she gets more wins in, which she will, then there won't be any question whose career is greater...

I agree. Martina's IMPACT was short lived and couldn't get her to the quarters today. Venus' IMPACT is being lived out through the current Russian players.

Therefore, Martina is woefully inferior. Besides she played on a weak circuit against substantially inferior players.

cheesestix
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:23 AM
Power has NOTHING to do with Venus' success! :rolleyes:

Who cares if she serves 20MPH faster than most of the other women? (even faster than some of the men)

Who cares if she hits the ball harder than most of the other women?

Power doesn't help her that much, it's all about the angles that she hits the ball, and the placement. Other women just can't place the ball like Venus can, it has nothing to do with the Venus' power. :rolleyes:

BTW, Pete Sampras' success had absolutely nothing to do with his big serve either! :rolleyes:

LindsayRocks89
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:26 AM
Venus Williams :worship:

Jericho
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:40 AM
Obviously Hingis has had a better career, but...

1) She played full time when she was very young
2) She played way more tournaments than Venus has
3) Her career is OVER!

tennisIlove09
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Right now, Martina. By the time Venus has retired, Venus.

Mr_Molik
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:47 AM
martina, just by numbers:
slams
slam finals
titles
weeks at no.1
venus could still over take her though

Timofy
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:48 AM
Power has NOTHING to do with Venus' success! :rolleyes:

Who cares if she serves 20MPH faster than most of the other women? (even faster than some of the men)

Who cares if she hits the ball harder than most of the other women?

Power doesn't help her that much, it's all about the angles that she hits the ball, and the placement. Other women just can't place the ball like Venus can, it has nothing to do with the Venus' power. :rolleyes:

BTW, Pete Sampras' success had absolutely nothing to do with his big serve either! :rolleyes:
...if Pete s not big-serving tons of ACES in 2002 US OPEN FINAL......

cheesestix
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:58 AM
...if Pete s not big-serving tons of ACES in 2002 US OPEN FINAL......

Not sure what you're trying to say. But I was being sarcastic.

A BIG part of Sampras' game was his serve. Not to discredit the other parts of his game, but it was his big serve that helped him win as much as he did. If you can blow people away with your serve, then you'll hardly ever get broken. Then, all you need to do is to break your opponent's serve a couple of times.

I'm not saying Venus' serve has always been consistent (Serena's has though), but when she gets it in, it's a killer. Doesn't she hold the record for the fastest serve? Not saying that Venus and Serena only rely on power, but with all other things being equal (placement, etc) power makes the difference.

Is it getting hot in here? I can almost feel the flames already (even though I haven't really said anything wrong, I know it will get taken the wrong way).

VeNuS#1LoVa
Apr 27th, 2004, 03:00 AM
Venus

2000 U.S. Open Semifinals, Nuff Said.

*JR*
Apr 27th, 2004, 03:04 AM
Not saying that Venus and Serena only rely on power, but with all other things being equal (placement, etc) power makes the difference.
True, power makes a big difference in ANY sport. So how come Linzi (who I like, BTW) doesn't get slighted for having it?

hingis-seles
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:23 AM
Serena, Venus and Hingis currently stand at roughly the same degree of accomplishment, in my opinion.

If forced to choose, I would put them in this order:

Serena
Hingis
Venus

Of course V is still playing and has a decent chance of overtaking Martina if she keeps playing well.
I agree completely. :worship:

Foot_Fault
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:29 AM
This is a sick comparison to do with a Retired player and an Active one.

cheesestix
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:34 AM
True, power makes a big difference in ANY sport. So how come Linzi (who I like, BTW) doesn't get slighted for having it?

1. I don't think Lindsay is as powerful as the Williams sisters.

2. If she were dominating like they have/had, and it looked like she was serving all of the other women off the court and hitting way harder than all of the other women, she would probably draw the same observations/criticism.

FWIW, the first time I saw Lindsay play (a few years ago), I thought to myself "Damn, that's a big girl. She's not necessarily better than the rest of these women skills-wise, but she's just able to blow her opponents off the court. She's just bigger and stronger."

Williams are better tennis players though. That's why they've been dominant, and Lindsay hasn't.

Andy T
Apr 27th, 2004, 07:54 AM
Hingis has the more impressive record for now (and is the more technically complete player) but if Venus wins the French, then she'll overtake Martina, imo.

sunnysideup
Apr 27th, 2004, 11:11 AM
Hingis

TonyP
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:42 PM
I think the stats speak for themselves and by the stats, Hingis wins in every category. Singles, slams, weeks at number one, prize money earned, etc.

But there is also the matter of accomplishments. Hingis has a whole string of firsts and records, including youngest number one in history, one of only four women in history to win a calendar year grand slam in doubles, one of only five women to be simultaneously ranked number one in both singles and doubles, et., winner of every tier one singles and doubles title, save one of each.)

Venus played in the exact same era, but achieved none of those things.

As to whether Hingis faced a weak field, that field included the Williams sisters and she played them to a 16-16 dead heat. But she also played Davenport, Graf, Seles, Sanchez-Vacario, Pierce, Martinez, Henin-Hardinne, Clijsters. All, but Kim, are slam winners, so how "weak" a field can they be.

Lastly, of course, there is the matter of their personal head to head record, which Hingis lead. Not just 10-9, but she lead 3-1 in finals and 3-0 in one sided matches.

Who can forget the semi-finals of the AO in 2001, Hingis over Venus 6-1, 6-1.


As to who had a bigger impact, there is no question power tennis is in vogue right now, not finesse tennis. That's why Venus' depature from the sport would not change much of anything. There are plenty of power players. Hingis has left the sport, and you hear pleas every single day that she return. (The latest was the BBC interview conducted with her this weekend. The interviewer practically whinned about why she needs to come back.)

Not everyone likes power tennis and many decry it is error filled, short point tennis that will eventually harm the game. Sure, the greater athleticism is fine, but the unforced errors and short points make for far less compelling tennis than what Hingis played.

Venus and Serena did open the sport up to a new audience IN AMERICA. That's an audience that may or may not stick around. The fact that ratings in this country drop when the Williams sisters are NOT playing may indicate that some of their popularity is racially based and that some, NOT ALL, but some of these fans won't stick around once the Willies are gone, unless there is another player whose ethnicity they favor. Whether that is good or bad for the sport is open to debate.

I am sure that Hingis brough the attention of more Swiss to tennis, too.

Lastly,there is the question of personality. Hingis was the most dynamic player the sport had and it has been very flat since her departure. Venus took a long period off and not much has changed since her return this year. While a colorful person in some ways, she displays little or no personality on court.

Hingis was wonderful to watch, both for her tennis and for the style and charisma she displayed in every aspect of life.

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 27th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Why are we comparing my precious Venus to a worn out has been who ran away from tennis when she realized that it's a more difficult task to beat the greats of her generation than it was to beat the old ladies from the generration before her. Martina Hingis made the best of what she had at the time, unfortunately for her, the competition got better, and two sisters titled Williams started to kick her ass and so she ran away!! You can throw out all of the stats that you wish, fact is; Venus is still very much in the game and she will pass Hingis in achievements on the tennis court very soon!!since it was Venus and Serena who caused Hingis to retire, then I suggest that they are better than her!! GET OVER IT!! CAN WE COMPARE VENUS TO SOMEONE IN HER GENERATION THAT HAS NOT RETIRED FOR STUPID REASONS LIKE "I CAN'T TAKE THE BEATING ANYMORE!!!"

DA FOREHAND
Apr 27th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Hingis has the more impressive record for now (and is the more technically complete player) but if Venus wins the French, then she'll overtake Martina, imo.


Oh really? What shot did Hingis have that Venus can't hit? :wavey:

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:05 PM
"I think the stats speak for themselves and by the stats, Hingis wins in every category. Singles, slams, weeks at number one, prize money earned, etc.
But there is also the matter of accomplishments. Hingis has a whole string of firsts and records, including youngest number one in history, one of only four women in history to win a calendar year grand slam in doubles, one of only five women to be simultaneously ranked number one in both singles and doubles, et., winner of every tier one singles and doubles title, save one of each."

((((Hingis got lucky because the age ristriction rules were put into effect after she turned pro. Check out who Hingis beat on her way to her GS titile, check out who Venus beat and then you tell me who had the more difficult road to a slam. Hingis should've accomplished more than Venus. Hingis played more tennis than Vneus and Serena combined.))))

"Venus played in the exact same era, but achieved none of those things.

As to whether Hingis faced a weak field, that field included the Williams sisters and she played them to a 16-16 dead heat. But she also played Davenport, Graf, Seles, Sanchez-Vacario, Pierce, Martinez, Henin-Hardinne, Clijsters. All, but Kim, are slam winners, so how "weak" a field can they be."


(((Venus did not play the juniors and needed time for her type of power game to mature and become consistant. Venus's style of play is more difficult to develop than Hingis's. Call it what you will, but Hingis game was a little more than the average "backboard" of your local tennis club. But we saw what happened when the other girls got hip to it.Hingis took up her toy racquets and ran away!!)))


" Lastly, of course, there is the matter of their personal head to head record, which Hingis lead. Not just 10-9, but she lead 3-1 in finals and 3-0 in one sided matches."


(((It's a shame that Venus was robbed of the oppurtunity to overtake this head to head, simply because Hingis couldn't take the competition that Venus brought to her, and little Hingis tucked her "brilliant mind" in her tennis bag and ran away!!)))

"Who can forget the semi-finals of the AO in 2001, Hingis over Venus 6-1, 6-1. "

((( Who can forget shortly after the AO when Venus took Hingis out at the Lipton in straight sets!! who can forget the '01 open when Venus came back from 3-5 down in the third set to beat Hingis 7-5!!)))

"As to who had a bigger impact, there is no question power tennis is in vogue right now, not finesse tennis. That's why Venus' depature from the sport would not change much of anything. There are plenty of power players. Hingis has left the sport, and you hear pleas every single day that she return. (The latest was the BBC interview conducted with her this weekend. The interviewer practically whinned about why she needs to come back."

(((Silly of you to suggest that Hingis has had more of an impact on tennis than venus. Hingis simply kept the white people who were already tennis fans in the stands. Venus brought a few different races into the game, and took tennis to a new level, a lever which Hingis and countless others could not do in this age of ratings and endoursements. "the highest paid female in any sport!!"))))

"Not everyone likes power tennis and many decry it is error filled, short point tennis that will eventually harm the game. Sure, the greater athleticism is fine, but the unforced errors and short points make for far less compelling tennis than what Hingis played."

((( Not everyone liked the fact that power was beating the shit out of finess!!Pushing tennis balls around a court was Hingis's specialty, and for a little while it worked. Fact is; playing a power game will cause more unforced errors, and the popular belief was that Power would never win against finess and with the amount of unforcessed errors Venus would never beat Hingis, Venus proved this theory wrong, and Hingis packed up her rackets and ran away!!))))

"Venus and Serena did open the sport up to a new audience IN AMERICA. That's an audience that may or may not stick around. The fact that ratings in this country drop when the Williams sisters are NOT playing may indicate that some of their popularity is racially based and that some, NOT ALL, but some of these fans won't stick around once the Willies are gone, unless there is another player whose ethnicity they favor. Whether that is good or bad for the sport is open to debate."

(((The audiance that Hingis catered to was already there before she began playing tennis, Venus's ability to bring in different races and unite them is a feet greater than anything Hingis has ever done for tennis, this is the reason why women's tennis is thriving like it is.))))

"I am sure that Hingis brought the attention of more Swiss to tennis, too."

((I'm sure that most of those Swiss were already dedicated tennis fans!)))

"Lastly,there is the question of personality. Hingis was the most dynamic player the sport had and it has been very flat since her departure. Venus took a long period off and not much has changed since her return this year. While a colorful person in some ways, she displays little or no personality on court."

(((Hingis was as deep as a kiddie pool!! she had the nerve to push tennis balls around a court and then brag that she was the best!! Venus is by far more interesting, charismatic, and well rounded than Hingis ever will be!! Read one of Venus's interviews and then read one of Martina Hingis's, You'll see that although Martian was called a "brainiac" on the tennis court, she was anything but that off of it!!!))))

"Hingis was wonderful to watch, both for her tennis and for the style and charisma she displayed in every aspect of life."

(((Hingis was horrible towards other players and showed no respect to her collegues and the veterans on the tour, she often made rude, harsh, unintelligent, and unnecessary remarks about players and because she is white these remarks were dismissed as her being "fiesty" Venus and Serena showed some confidence in themselves and their game and they were dismissed as "arrogant" and "class less"!! Do you see the double standard here!!??))))


AND LASTLY, NEVER BEFORE HINGIS WAS THERE A #1 PLAYER WHO NOBODY RECOGNIZED AS SUCH!! MOST OF HINGIS'S STAY AT #1 WAS BECASUE SHE ATE, SLEPT, AND BREATHE TENNIS JUST TO KEEP THAT RANKING. AFTER A WHILE EVERYONE LOOKED AT VENUS AS THE #1 PLAYER WHILE HINGIS HELD THAT SPOT!! AND THIS FACT SUMS IT ALL UP. VENUS MADE THE WORLD ADMIT THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE PLAYS 50 TOURNAMENTS TO HOLD ON TO THE #1 RANKING, THIS DOES NOT MAKE HER THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!

Brαm
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:09 PM
This one's so easy!!

Singles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 40-29
Doubles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 36-9
Singles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 5-4
Doubles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 9-6
Most weeks at no.1: Martina
Career-high doubles ~ Martina - Venus: no.1-no.5

Only 1 answer possible: Martina Hingis :worship:

DeDe4925
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:13 PM
CanadianGuy, stop fearing Venus and get over your anger at her and Serena for forcing Martina into retirement. :rolleyes:

TonyP
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:14 PM
I have heard more players refer to Martina as a friend than any other player. Myskina was the last one, quoted recently as saying she was the sweetest player on the tour. Among those who called her a friend were Seles,Davenport, Schett, Pierce, Tauziat,Novota (yes, Novotna, who said they were good friends), Rubin, Clijsters and many, many others.

The racial slur you just uttered is pretty offensive. And it was a racial slur.No one else here has had to stoop to that kind of offensive language. The board administrators need to review that post.

DeDe4925
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:16 PM
(((Hingis was horrible towards other players and showed no respect to her collegues and the veterans on the tour, she often made rude, harsh, unintelligent, and unnecessary remarks about players and because she is white these remarks were dismissed as her being "fiesty" Venus and Serena showed some confidence in themselves and their game and they were dismissed as "arrogant" and "class less"!! Do you see the double standard here!!??))))


AND LASTLY, NEVER BEFORE HINGIS WAS THERE A #1 PLAYER WHO NOBODY RECOGNIZED AS SUCH!! MOST OF HINGIS'S STAY AT #1 WAS BECASUE SHE ATE, SLEPT, AND BREATHE TENNIS JUST TO KEEP THAT RANKING. AFTER A WHILE EVERYONE LOOKED AT VENUS AS THE #1 PLAYER WHILE HINGIS HELD THAT SPOT!! AND THIS FACT SUMS IT ALL UP. VENUS MADE THE WORLD ADMIT THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE PLAYS 50 TOURNAMENTS TO HOLD ON TO THE #1 RANKING, THIS DOES NOT MAKE HER THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!
:worship: :worship: :worship:

DeDe4925
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:17 PM
I have heard more players refer to Martina as a friend than any other player. Myskina was the last one, quoted recently as saying she was the sweetest player on the tour. Among those who called her a friend were Seles,Davenport, Schett, Pierce, Tauziat,Novota (yes, Novotna, who said they were good friends), Rubin, Clijsters and many, many others.

The racial slur you just uttered is pretty offensive. And it was a racial slur.No one else here has had to stoop to that kind of offensive language. The board administrators need to review that post.
It doesn't look like a racial slur to me. Here we go with the race card again. :rolleyes:

Ryan
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:24 PM
This completely depends on what people decide 'greater' means. Hingis has greater results, Venus has had a greater impact. Both are amazing tennis players, played top competitors and won against them.

If I had to rank them on greatness right now, Hingis would win. But Venus is still playing and with two more GS's would pass her IMO.

DeDe4925
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:26 PM
I think the stats speak for themselves and by the stats, Hingis wins in every category. Singles, slams, weeks at number one, prize money earned, etc.

But there is also the matter of accomplishments. Hingis has a whole string of firsts and records, including youngest number one in history, one of only four women in history to win a calendar year grand slam in doubles, one of only five women to be simultaneously ranked number one in both singles and doubles, et., winner of every tier one singles and doubles title, save one of each.)

Venus played in the exact same era, but achieved none of those things.

As to whether Hingis faced a weak field, that field included the Williams sisters and she played them to a 16-16 dead heat. But she also played Davenport, Graf, Seles, Sanchez-Vacario, Pierce, Martinez, Henin-Hardinne, Clijsters. All, but Kim, are slam winners, so how "weak" a field can they be.

Lastly, of course, there is the matter of their personal head to head record, which Hingis lead. Not just 10-9, but she lead 3-1 in finals and 3-0 in one sided matches.

Who can forget the semi-finals of the AO in 2001, Hingis over Venus 6-1, 6-1.


As to who had a bigger impact, there is no question power tennis is in vogue right now, not finesse tennis. That's why Venus' depature from the sport would not change much of anything. There are plenty of power players. Hingis has left the sport, and you hear pleas every single day that she return. (The latest was the BBC interview conducted with her this weekend. The interviewer practically whinned about why she needs to come back.)

Not everyone likes power tennis and many decry it is error filled, short point tennis that will eventually harm the game. Sure, the greater athleticism is fine, but the unforced errors and short points make for far less compelling tennis than what Hingis played.

Venus and Serena did open the sport up to a new audience IN AMERICA. That's an audience that may or may not stick around. The fact that ratings in this country drop when the Williams sisters are NOT playing may indicate that some of their popularity is racially based and that some, NOT ALL, but some of these fans won't stick around once the Willies are gone, unless there is another player whose ethnicity they favor. Whether that is good or bad for the sport is open to debate.

I am sure that Hingis brough the attention of more Swiss to tennis, too.

Lastly,there is the question of personality. Hingis was the most dynamic player the sport had and it has been very flat since her departure. Venus took a long period off and not much has changed since her return this year. While a colorful person in some ways, she displays little or no personality on court.

Hingis was wonderful to watch, both for her tennis and for the style and charisma she displayed in every aspect of life.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

daniela86
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:28 PM
This one's so easy!!

Singles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 40-29
Doubles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 36-9
Singles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 5-4
Doubles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 9-6
Most weeks at no.1: Martina
Career-high doubles ~ Martina - Venus: no.1-no.5

Only 1 answer possible: Martina Hingis :worship:

Well said Bram!!! :kiss:
Martina is better than Venus!!!

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:28 PM
I have heard more players refer to Martina as a friend than any other player. Myskina was the last one, quoted recently as saying she was the sweetest player on the tour. Among those who called her a friend were Seles,Davenport, Schett, Pierce, Tauziat,Novota (yes, Novotna, who said they were good friends), Rubin, Clijsters and many, many others.

The racial slur you just uttered is pretty offensive. And it was a racial slur.No one else here has had to stoop to that kind of offensive language. The board administrators need to review that post.

We're all aware of the nasty and unnecessary thinkgs that Matina has said about other players!! WITH FRIENDS LIKE HINGIS, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!!?? WHY ISN'T KOURNIKOVA ON THAT LIST OF MARTINA'S "FRIENDS". I'LL TELL YOU WHY; BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WASN'T A THREAT TO MARTINA WAS A FRIEND OF HER'S. SHE USED TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ON THAT "FRIENDS" LISTS. ANYONE WHO WAS OUTSHINED MARTINA WAS HER ENEMY!!SEE SERENA, VENUS, KOURNIKOVA!!

Ryan
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:30 PM
We're all aware of the nasty and unnecessary thinkgs that Matina has said about other players!! WITH FRIENDS LIKE HINGIS, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!!?? WHY ISN'T KOURNIKOVA ON THAT LIST OF MARTINA'S "FRIENDS". I'LL TELL YOU WHY; BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WASN'T A THREAT TO MARTINA WAS A FRIEND OF HER'S. SHE USED TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ON THAT "FRIENDS" LISTS. ANYONE WHO WAS OUTSHINED MARTINA WAS HER ENEMY!!SEE SERENA, VENUS, KOURNIKOVA!!

:rolleyes: You're full of shit.

Brαm
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:32 PM
We're all aware of the nasty and unnecessary thinkgs that Matina has said about other players!! WITH FRIENDS LIKE HINGIS, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!!?? WHY ISN'T KOURNIKOVA ON THAT LIST OF MARTINA'S "FRIENDS". I'LL TELL YOU WHY; BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WASN'T A THREAT TO MARTINA WAS A FRIEND OF HER'S. SHE USED TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ON THAT "FRIENDS" LISTS. ANYONE WHO WAS OUTSHINED MARTINA WAS HER ENEMY!!SEE SERENA, VENUS, KOURNIKOVA!!
I'm sorry but could you please STOP WRITING IN CAPS?
IT SEEMS AS IF YOU ARE SHOUTING OK?

CanadianGuy
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:32 PM
We're all aware of the nasty and unnecessary thinkgs that Matina has said about other players!! WITH FRIENDS LIKE HINGIS, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!!?? WHY ISN'T KOURNIKOVA ON THAT LIST OF MARTINA'S "FRIENDS". I'LL TELL YOU WHY; BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WASN'T A THREAT TO MARTINA WAS A FRIEND OF HER'S. SHE USED TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ON THAT "FRIENDS" LISTS. ANYONE WHO WAS OUTSHINED MARTINA WAS HER ENEMY!!SEE SERENA, VENUS, KOURNIKOVA!!
How about this, let's make a list of people who like Venus.....:) I'll go first

Serena
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that's about it:)

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:34 PM
(This one's so easy!!)

OH REALLY!!?

Singles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 40-29
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Doubles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 36-9
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Singles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 5-4
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Doubles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 9-6
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Most weeks at no.1: Martina
((MARTINA WAS HARDLY RECOGNIZED AS THE TRUE #1 FOR MOST OF HER STAY THERE!!))

Career-high doubles ~ Martina - Venus: no.1-no.5
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Only 1 answer possible: Martina Hingis... PLAYED A LOT MORE TENNIS THAN VENUS!!

ayanate
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:38 PM
Agree with everything you wrote TonyP, Venus still has it all to do. She has only won 2 different Grand slams, how can she be compared to Martina Hingis? This coming from a Williams fan by the way.

CanadianGuy
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:39 PM
(This one's so easy!!)

OH REALLY!!?

Singles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 40-29
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Doubles titles ~ Martina - Venus: 36-9
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Singles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 5-4
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Doubles slams ~ Martina - Venus: 9-6
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Most weeks at no.1: Martina
((MARTINA WAS HARDLY RECOGNIZED AS THE TRUE #1 FOR MOST OF HER STAY THERE!!))

Career-high doubles ~ Martina - Venus: no.1-no.5
((HINGIS PLAYED A LOT MORE THAN VENUS!!)

Only 1 answer possible: Martina Hingis... PLAYED A LOT MORE TENNIS THAN VENUS!!
lol...excuses, excuses. Martina Narvatilova was great because she played a lot more tennis than everyone, same goes for Hingis:)

griffin
Apr 27th, 2004, 04:48 PM
How about this, let's make a list of people who like Venus.....:) I'll go first

Serena
.
.
.
that's about it:)

I knew there was an ip address I wanted to check - thanks for reminding me :wavey: