Warsaw draw is out!!

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Go Venus!!

If Venus is healthy (and she is playing like she is), I don't see anyone stopping her en route to the final, including Schiavone, who almost beat her in the semifinal.

Zvonareva will challenge Venus on red clay

Patty is also in Vee's quarter...

Zvonareva will challenge Venus on red clay
I agree 100% :D :D

But Dulko-Mauresmo in second round :mad: :fiery: Bad luck Gise :sad:

Vera would be Venus' big challenge, but if Patty is mentally there she could also hurt Venus.

Zvonareva will challenge Venus on red clay
...same thing was said @ FCC. We'll have to wait & See. :)

Venus will have a fun draw. Possible Patty in the QF and Vera in the semis and Momo in the final.

...same thing was said @ FCC. We'll have to wait & See. :)

ITA!

She'll be challeneged, no doubt!
However, the fact that she is playing so well at the moment
and is doing things well at Fed Cup on the red clay I think she'll
be fine.

Her serve and forehand is really working well for her,
two things that betrayed her against Vera at RG last year.

Good Luck Venus!!! :wavey:

ITA!

She'll be challeneged, no doubt!
However, the fact that she is playing so well at the moment
and is doing things well at Fed Cup on the red clay I think she'll
be fine.

Her serve and forehand is really working well for her,
two things that betrayed her against Vera at RG last year.

Good Luck Venus!!! :wavey:
Ditto To That! :cool:

Tougher draw for Venus, but I don't mind that. She won at the FCC with a tough quarterfinal, and a tough final, but she won. I want it to be a Amelie-Venus final, and one where neither player gets injured!! GO VENUS!!

QF projections:

Mauresmo vs. Suarez
Kuznetsova vs. Farina Elia

Zvonareva vs. Pistolesi (again??)
Williams vs. Schnyder

Interesting potential 2nd round matchups:

Mauresmo vs. Danilidou
Zvonareva vs. Schiavone
Kuznetsova vs. Douchevina

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Please do your best to :tape: your doubters once and for all :bounce: :bounce:

Allez Amelie! Lots to defend here. :)

Zvonareva will challenge Venus on red clay
That's of course assuming Venus will go past Bye first. Allez Bye. :bounce:

Zvonareva will challenge Venus on red clayActually, I would say that was less than likely.

They just played, so Venus knows how she handled her last time.

And while the 4th round of the the French last year is a significant result, lest we forget, Venus is a MUCH more accomplished red clay player than Vera Z. She's won Rome, Hamburg twice, and made the finals at RG. Plus another Rome final and a couple other Tier II finals. She's played RG seven times and made the QFs 16s or better five of them. All this on a surface Venus never plays more than three times a year.

Venus isn't just good on clay. There are only four or five players on the tour who are better. (Justine, Kim, Serena, Amelie and maybe Jenn.) Vera will do very will indeed if she DOES challenge Venus on red clay.

This tournament is worth less points this year. Last year it was worth $700000 this year $585000.

Actually, I would say that was less than likely.

They just played, so Venus knows how she handled her last time.

And while the 4th round of the the French last year is a significant result, lest we forget, Venus is a MUCH more accomplished red clay player than Vera Z. She's won Rome, Hamburg twice, and made the finals at RG. Plus another Rome final and a couple other Tier II finals. She's played RG seven times and made the QFs or better five of them. All this on a surface Venus never plays more than three times a year.

Venus isn't just good on clay. There are only four or five players on the tour who are better. (Justine, Kim, Serena, Amelie and maybe Jenn.) Vera will do very will indeed if she DOES challenge Venus on red clay.


EXactly!! Some posters talk about Venus like she is horrible on that nasty red stuff :rolleyes:

Venus fans shouldn't look past Zuluaga, if that's who she plays in her first match, that could be a troublesome opponent...

Venus fans shouldn't look past Zuluaga, if that's who she plays in her first match, that could be a troublesome opponent...
ANY intelligent, skilled opponent is troublesome on clay, and Zuluaga certainly qualifies.

Actually, I would say that was less than likely.

They just played, so Venus knows how she handled her last time.

And while the 4th round of the the French last year is a significant result, lest we forget, Venus is a MUCH more accomplished red clay player than Vera Z. She's won Rome, Hamburg twice, and made the finals at RG. Plus another Rome final and a couple other Tier II finals. She's played RG seven times and made the QFs or better five of them. All this on a surface Venus never plays more than three times a year.

Venus isn't just good on clay. There are only four or five players on the tour who are better. (Justine, Kim, Serena, Amelie and maybe Jenn.) Vera will do very will indeed if she DOES challenge Venus on red clay.
Why is Amelie better than Venus on clay??

Why is Amelie better than Venus on clay??
I was wondering the same thing. The only tournaments Amelie has won on red clay that I am aware of are the German Open in 2001 and Warsaw last year and the Warsaw win was a retirement. Venus, on the other hand, has won Rome and Hamburg twice.

I was wondering the same thing. The only tournaments Amelie has won on red clay that I am aware of are the German Open in 2001 and Warsaw last year and the Warsaw win was a retirement. Venus, on the other hand, has won Rome and Hamburg twice.
Yeah you're right. Let me go change that.

I hope we get to see Amelie and Venus complete that match from last year. And please both of you STAY HEALTHY.

well then get rid of amelie and add monica...

good luck Venus :bounce:

hard draw for Paola and Gisela
I expect the triumphs in Fed Cup over Japan give them great results in Warsaw

Actually, I would say that was less than likely.

They just played, so Venus knows how she handled her last time.

And while the 4th round of the the French last year is a significant result, lest we forget, Venus is a MUCH more accomplished red clay player than Vera Z. She's won Rome, Hamburg twice, and made the finals at RG. Plus another Rome final and a couple other Tier II finals. She's played RG seven times and made the QFs 16s or better five of them. All this on a surface Venus never plays more than three times a year.

Venus isn't just good on clay. There are only four or five players on the tour who are better. (Justine, Kim, Serena, Amelie and maybe Jenn.) Vera will do very will indeed if she DOES challenge Venus on red clay.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

I'm :o b/c i also get sucked into the notion that Venus is not a good claycourt player. Thanks for the reminder ;)

Amelie is a very good clay-courter. She's reached 2 Rome finals (2001, 2003), won Warsaw (2002) and Berlin (2001). And that's just off the top of my head.

I'd also add that Monica Seles is better on the dirt than Queen Vee.

Vera would be Venus' big challenge, but if Patty is mentally there she could also hurt Venus.


If Venus is healthy in mentally dialed in the most those girls can hope for is to give her a good workout. :wavey:

Well Monica won 3 straight French Opens. In her prime, Monica is better than anyone on the tour right now on clay.

Well Monica won 3 straight French Opens. In her prime, Monica is better than anyone on the tour right now on clay.


Yep, and Iva Majoli is a close second

good luck to Venus vs whomever she may face :hug:

If Venus continues her form, she wins the tournament without dropping a set
thats a big If though

if any of you guys have jinxed Venus i'ma kick your asses

if any of you guys have jinxed Venus i'ma kick your asses
Vee is fortunate that she isn't the #1 seed... :p

Amelie is a very good clay-courter. She's reached 2 Rome finals (2001, 2003), won Warsaw (2002) and Berlin (2001). And that's just off the top of my head.I agree Amelie is good. But compare wins and finals, GS, Tier I and Tier II

Amelie
CH-'01 Berlin
CH-'03 Warsaw POL
FR-'98 Berlin
FR-'00 Rome
FR-'01 Rome

Venus
CH-'99 T1 Rome
CH-'99 T2 Hamburg
CH-'01 T2 Hamburg
FR-'02 GS French Open
FR-'98 T1 Rome
FR-'02 T2 Hamburg
FR-'03 T2 Warsaw

Venus has made the RG final, has the same number of Tier I wins, more Tire II wins and more finals.

I'd also add that Monica Seles is better on the dirt than Queen Vee.Not now. Venus' accomplishments on red clay aren't a shadow of Monica's, of course. But...

They've only played on clay once, and Venus won in straight sets. RG '02 6-4 6-3
Again, wins and finals, GS, Tier I Tier II
FR-'98 French Open
CH-'00 Rome


Nothing since Rome 2000. The monica record post-Rome 2000?


QF-'00 French
16-'01 Madrid
CH-'02 Madrid
QF-'02 French Open
32-'03 Rome
r1-'03 French Open
Winning Madrd is nice, but it's not only a Tier III, it's a weak Tier III since most of the tour is resting up post-Rome for RG, and it's split the remainder with Strasbourg.

But, to be fair, Monica hasn't HAD an actual clay court season since 2000. And she won't this year either. If she loses enough weight that she can retain her health til next year's clay season, we'll see what we'll see. But Monica hasn't been a force on red clay for years and years.

I actually think it's an interesting draw. It's very clear that Venus and Amelie are a level above everyone else. But I think it'll be interesting to see what the other bring.

Zuluaga may test Venus. Schnyder may test Venus. Vera may test Venus (unless Smashnova beats her....or Dani :eek: )

Mauresmo may be tested by Daniilidou, Suarez and Kuznetsova.

I think this should be a fun week.

Not only has Venus won those clay titles, maybe we should take special note of the persons she has triumphed over in gaining those clay court results.

I actually think it's an interesting draw. It's very clear that Venus and Amelie are a level above everyone else. But I think it'll be interesting to see what the other bring.

Zuluaga may test Venus. Schnyder may test Venus. Vera may test Venus (unless Smashnova beats her....or Dani :eek: )

Mauresmo may be tested by Daniilidou, Suarez and Kuznetsova.

I think this should be a fun week.
To be honest, I want to see every one of those players play out of their minds. As well as Venus played at Charleston, she's gonna have to be a good bit better to win RG. She needs to be pushed and pushed hard. But these are all wizards. At Berlin, she needs to get a big time smackdown artist, like Petrova. Somebody who plays like Serena, in other words.

GRRRREAT DRAW! :banana:

This tournament is worth less points this year. Last year it was worth $700000 this year $585000.
No, it isn't.
It is still Tier IIA, but WTA adviced to lower the prizemoney because other Tier IIB tournaments objected...
But players get more points than in 'normal' Tier II.