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tennisIlove09
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:34 PM
If you can compare body types, why not games? Even at 17, Serena was a force on the tour. :wavey:

Knizzle
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:37 PM
Serena's such a smart and technically sound player. Great serve technique. Insatiable appetite to win. Very mentally strong. In great shape at all times.

vs1
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:38 PM
You know, it's not as common as people think that someone is talented and hardworking and mentally prepared enough to excel on the tour. As spectators, we can easily watch and make analysis and demands of our stars, but when it comes to executing, it's tough. All the right stars need to align properly for success to occur. Look at Lucic, totally talented with a bright prospect yet detracted by a number of things.

So I believe that there are several girls with potential...yet for it all to line up and equal championship success on a consistent basis...well, I think it's way more rare than common. It's what differentiates the GREATS from everyone else. That's why Serena is such an inspiration. :worship:

7~LV3
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:41 PM
With lots of help from her hitting partner

Kabezya
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:50 PM
I'm not really into the whole comparison game. Because why then isn't Serena as good as so and so at 22.. 23? People are just different. It happens.

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:57 PM
This is very true. I can think of a lot of matches where Serena played under very difficult circumstances and still won, even when she was down and the crowds were against her. There were times when she was probably overcome by the combination of the crowd and the other player, but she is human and these things will happen. In this regard, she is truly in a class by her herself. I don't know if many of the teens on tour now can handle difficult situations like Serena did and still be sucessful amidst them.

CanadianGuy
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:59 PM
lol, I wouldnt want to have a "muscular" body type at 17:)
I like those cute ones better aka Anna Kournikova:D Maria Sharapova:) Elena Dementieva:)
Martina Hingis one is pretty good for modeling too, just....too short:p

Paneru
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:01 PM
lol, I wouldnt want to have a "muscular" body type at 17:)
I like those cute ones better aka Anna Kournikova:D Maria Sharapova:) Elena Dementieva:)
Martina Hingis one is pretty good for modeling too, just....too short:p

Remeber, not everyone is of your mindset!
To each his own! :angel:

TonyP
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:04 PM
How come they aren't as good as Hingis, who was number one in the word at 16, something Serena certainly didn't achieve.

Different people mature at different times. Sharapova might someday be number one herself, although right now I don't see it. But I probably wouldn't have though many girls would get there, from what they looked like at 16.

Infiniti2001
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:21 PM
:lol: ah yes, we must never forget the mighty Hingis.

bandabou
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:44 PM
How come they aren't as good as Hingis, who was number one in the word at 16, something Serena certainly didn't achieve.

Different people mature at different times. Sharapova might someday be number one herself, although right now I don't see it. But I probably wouldn't have though many girls would get there, from what they looked like at 16.

Well Serena only started AT age 16, so thats gonna be difficult....everything else she did pretty much as well and in some cases better than martina herself.

jenny161185
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:53 PM
Martina Is the best teen player to have played the game , to have been number one at sixteen and won mulitple slams is just amazing ;) Serenas not far behind - It would b great if in todays game one of the new girls stepped up and won a big tourney / reached a GS Semi or something - come one Sesil!

tennisIlove09
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:53 PM
Two things:

1-I made the thread as a joke, to compete with the body-type thread

2-Serena won the US Open in 99, it was her 7th major played. Hingis won the 97 Australian, it was her 9th major played. In terms of # of majors played, Serena's better.

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 22nd, 2004, 09:31 PM
Not ot mention the fact that Hingis was not affected by the age ristriction rule, Serena was, so all she could play was a few tournaments each year which stalled her results, or else you've got to believe that Serena would've won a major long before her us open win! Besides; Hingis can keep that record for the youngest to win a slam, it's the reason why she is burnt out right now, I bet she would trade in that record for a chance to still be playing!!?

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:46 PM
Because players who can win six GS titles AT ALL don't come along all that often. remember, the last two players who could do it were Monica and Steffi. Players that good just aren't that common.

TonyP
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:30 AM
Hingis isn't "burnt out" right now. Hingis suffered injuries that happened after she'd been on the tour for more than five years, so how young she started had no bearing on the situation. I was simply pointing out that Hingis accomplished more at 16 than anyone else, getting three slams and the world's number one ranking.

Serena fans need to be less defensive. And I know for a fact Martina wouldn't trade anything. She has said so over and over again. Hingis doesn't look back. Never has.

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:36 AM
Hingis isn't "burnt out" right now. Hingis suffered injuries that happened after she'd been on the tour for more than five years, so how young she started had no bearing on the situation. I was simply pointing out that Hingis accomplished more at 16 than anyone else, getting three slams and the world's number one ranking.

Serena fans need to be less defensive. And I know for a fact Martina wouldn't trade anything. She has said so over and over again. Hingis doesn't look back. Never has.
But this thread was not about that. It had nothing to do with Hingis. It's about the state of the young players today. You brought Hingis into the conversation unwarranted.

TonyP
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:38 AM
I brought her in as the player who accomplished the most at 16.

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:42 AM
I brought her in as the player who accomplished the most at 16.
The thread was about comparing other young stars to Serena, not Hingis. You just brought her in to somehow show that she was better than Serena. For no other purpose.

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:43 AM
Try to find a post from TonPro without the words "Martina", "Hingis", or "Richard Williams", good luck. :tape:
*Knizzle does extensive search*...........................No luck!!:(:tape:

LiliaLee-Frazier
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:50 AM
Yeah..true..but todays Serena was also not as good as the teen serena..everyone matures at a different period in there each individual lives ..look at Sylvia farina, coetzer ( hit her prime in her MID 20s), tauziet, Sugiyama ( peaking in her late 20s ), craybas ( to a lesser extent..but nonetheless peaking at age 29/30..and the list could go on and on but i am heading out to a partaaaay tonight..lata ;-) :wavey: :kiss: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:07 PM
Hingis isn't "burnt out" right now. Hingis suffered injuries that happened after she'd been on the tour for more than five years, so how young she started had no bearing on the situation. I was simply pointing out that Hingis accomplished more at 16 than anyone else, getting three slams and the world's number one ranking.

Serena fans need to be less defensive. And I know for a fact Martina wouldn't trade anything. She has said so over and over again. Hingis doesn't look back. Never has.

If hingis is not burnt out, then she is running scared of those Williams Sisters and the bagels that would be forced down her throat :tape:
NO REGRETS!??Honestly, we all know how proud hingis is, she would probably commit suicide if she came back and had to take the beating that the wta tour players would put on her!! I suggest that Hingis consult Professor X of the X-Men :tape: maybe he can teach her some exercises in strengthening her psyche, this way she can come back and resume "outsmarting" the rest of the tour :tape:

Experimentee
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:40 PM
Its strange that there were a whole lot of teen stars at around the same time, Hingis, Venus, Serena, Kournikova etc, all in the top 10 while teenagers. Now there are no teenagers in the top 10. It cant all be explained by the AER as Serena and Kournikova were under but still achieved success while young.

pigam
Apr 23rd, 2004, 04:22 PM
Its strange that there were a whole lot of teen stars at around the same time, Hingis, Venus, Serena, Kournikova etc, all in the top 10 while teenagers. Now there are no teenagers in the top 10. It cant all be explained by the AER as Serena and Kournikova were under but still achieved success while young.
Good point!
And I don't really see that changing toop soon.
Some of the current top10 where still teenagers (well, 18) when they entered the top 10, so (Dementieva, Clijsters, ...)
But who will fall out of the top10 at the expense of a 'real' teenager? I have no idea! You're right. S'rena a.o. played under the AER, but they still 'made it'. Interesting :scratch: Maybe the competition is stronger today? :shrug: