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Brαm
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:41 PM
I mean at 17, Serena was already very muscular! When you watch today's teen stars (Golovin, Sharapova...) they all look slim & thin, nowhere near as muscular as Serena was. It surprises me that Serena already had so many muscles at that time! At what age did she start bodybuilding? :eek:

http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/tennis/199910/02/37f5304704ffc/serena.jpg

http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/bookmarks/serena.venus.williams.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/1999/us_open/news/1999/09/14/open_wrap_ap/lg_serena_ap_01.jpg

Pureracket
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:43 PM
Trolllllllllllllll Alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:45 PM
:rolleyes:

she never did bodybuilding

it's in her genes...she was always muscular and then she started playing tennis :)

she's more muscular than Sharapova etc because of her body shape/structure and ethnic group

esquímaux
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:47 PM
:rolleyes:

Jakeev
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:49 PM
There is a 17 year old girl from Russia named Irina Kotkina who my gosh is the best looking and in shape Junior I think I have seen since Serena at that age.

She had won a Junior tournament in South America during the Nasdaq and she made the poor girl, Alex Wozniak, she beat in the final look like she needed to go on a serious diet.

TheBoiledEgg says we will be hearing from this girl soon.....

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:51 PM
The good lord just decided to give Serena the perfect body. If Michaelangelo had sculpted a tennis player, he's have created Serena.

And remember, it's appearance. It doesn't make a BETTER tennis player. It just makes her look REAL good doing it. Venus isn't as mucular as Serena either. Neither is Lindsay. Both of them hit just hard. Justine's a twig, and SHE generates almost as much pace. Some folks are just lucky. Thin k maat Safin. He's a building.

Chance
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:52 PM
Did you really need SJW to explain it to you, was it so hard to figure out??

Wait a sec Kim was pretty muscular at the age of 17....

minboy
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:01 PM
:rolleyes:

she never did bodybuilding

it's in her genes...she was always muscular and then she started playing tennis :)

she's more muscular than Sharapova etc because of her body shape/structure and ethnic group
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you think it is possible for anybody to be born with the muscles Serena has, then you're really :retard: . Off course she had the potential from the beginning, but it needs to be developped. Don't tell me Serena never lift weights in her teenage years

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:12 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you think it is possible for anybody to be born with the muscles Serena has, then you're really :retard: . Off course she had the potential from the beginning, but it needs to be developped. Don't tell me Serena never lift weights in her teenage years
There's 'body building', and there's 'exercise'. Serena has done strength training most of her life. Almost the exact same regimen as Venus. But individual geneitcs yield different results. Obviously, if she were a couch potatoe, she wouldn't look like that.

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:14 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you think it is possible for anybody to be born with the muscles Serena has, then you're really :retard: . Off course she had the potential from the beginning, but it needs to be developped. Don't tell me Serena never lift weights in her teenage years
and if you think lifting weights is the same as bodybuilding, you're seriously :retard:ed too

put it this way, you take any one of many black young girls, and make them do sport, they get big muscles. they don't need to bench-press more weight than men to get them, k? :)

:rolleyes:

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:15 PM
There's 'body building', and there's 'exercise'. Serena has done strength training most of her life. Almost the exact same regimen as Venus. But individual geneitcs yield different results. Obviously, if she were a couch potatoe, she wouldn't look like that.
sorry, i don't think the poor lad understands sense and logic :)

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:16 PM
you take any one of many black young girls, and make them do sport, they get big muscles.You mean like Venus or Chanda?

Where's your evidence for thei racial muscularity theory? I've never heard that one.

The only women I've ever eseen outside the body-building world with muscles like Serena is Jackie Joyner Kersee. And since she was only the greatest female athlete in history, she's hardly a good example.

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:17 PM
You mean like Venus or Chanda? Where's your evidence for thei racial muscularity theory. I've never heard that one. The only women I've ever eseen outside the body-building world with muscles like Serena is Jackie Joyner Kersee. And since she was only the greatest female athlete in history, she's hardly a good example.many does not = all

it means a lot :)

and it depends what you define as "big muscles"

GoGoMaggie
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:18 PM
I think it's partly her skin color that made her muscles stand out more than it was supposed to. I don't think she had too much more musles than other 17 year-old players.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:18 PM
many does not = all

it means a lot :)
Where's your evidence? Or even three or four other examples.

minboy
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:20 PM
SJW, VOLCANA : please, tell me when i said that bodybuilding was the same as lifting weights.......... I never said that, just didn't agree with sjw that "serena was born with all these muscles".
Stop putting words in people's mouth, because it's not the way we can have an interesting discussion

esquímaux
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:20 PM
I don't think it's TOTALLY genetic...if that was the case, she'd be as fit as Oracene and Richard :scared:

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:21 PM
Where's your evidence? Or even three or four other examples.IMO? i think Marion Jones has "big muscles". i think Maria Mutola has "big muscles". i think Merlene Ottey has "big muscles". i think Chrystie Gaines has "big muscles". want more?

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:23 PM
SJW, VOLCANA : please, tell me when i said that bodybuilding was the same as lifting weights.......... I never said that, just didn't agree with sjw that "serena was born with all these muscles".
Stop putting words in people's mouth, because it's not the way we can have an interesting discussion
and you put words into MY mouth. i never said she always had those muscles, i said she was always "muscular". she WAS.

so be consistent, PLEASE? :)

mauresmofan
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:23 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you think it is possible for anybody to be born with the muscles Serena has, then you're really :retard: . Off course she had the potential from the beginning, but it needs to be developped. Don't tell me Serena never lift weights in her teenage years
Maybe she developed them by carrying Venus' tennis rackets. Here's how I believe the scenario went::tape:

Richard Williams: 'Carry them tennis rackets for ya sista - she gonna be a tennis sta!'

Serena: 'but they is awfully heavy paw'

Richard Williams: 'Quit yaw moanin girl, you know we can't afford to have Venus pick up any sorta injuries - she gonna make me lots a bling bling ain't that right my tennis sta?'

Venus: 'Oh yes Paw - I is gonna make you so proud a me!'

Serena: (mumbles) 'oh someday they is gonna see I is gonna be the greatest tennis champion eva'

Richard Williams: 'Why you dawdlin girl? you know Venus has her practice to go to why you tryin to make her late? - HURRY UP!'

Serena: 'Yes Paw'

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:24 PM
SJW, VOLCANA : please, tell me when i said that bodybuilding was the same as lifting weights.......... I never said that, just didn't agree with sjw that "serena was born with all these muscles".
Stop putting words in people's mouth, because it's not the way we can have an interesting discussion
Hey, don't lump me into this! I'm the one who said Serena had done strength training most of her life. I've seen video of Serena's training regimen and it's brutal. But I went to college with a girl build like Serena who never lifted a day in her life. She did it all with Isometrics. I myself do Chinese wrestling exercises. They have the same effect. I'm no Serena mind you, but I've got some size.

A'DAM
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:27 PM
I don't think it's TOTALLY genetic...if that was the case, she'd be as fit as Oracene and Richard :scared:


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minboy
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:32 PM
and you put words into MY mouth. i never said she always had those muscles, i said she was always "muscular". she WAS.

so be consistent, PLEASE? :)
such a big difference between "she always had those muscles " and "she was always muscular" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Volcana, i agree with you

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:32 PM
IMO? i think Marion Jones has "big muscles". i think Maria Mutola has "big muscles". i think Merlene Ottey has "big muscles". i think Chrystie Gaines has "big muscles". want more?Jenny Thompson, Heike Dreschler, Bev Francis

You still haven't cited any evidence for a racial link. I'm not even denying there is one. But I've never heard that form any source except you, so I asking you to back that up with more evidence than your own race theories.

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:33 PM
Fact: Blacks have less upper body fat, that's why there is more muscle tone. Add physical training that comes with pro sports and black women look like she-hulks :lick:.

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:36 PM
such a big difference between "she always had those muscles " and "she was always muscular" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Volcana, i agree with you
depending on your English speaking abilities, there is :)

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:39 PM
Fact: Blacks have less upper body fat, that's why there is more muscle tone. Add physical training that comes with pro sports and black women look like she-hulks :lick:.There speaks a bigoted idiot.

Go check out the WTA. The league is full of Black women and not one of them comes close to Serena in muscle tone or definition.

irma
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:42 PM
Serena has very strong arms and legs but if she did body building I guess the rest of her body would look totally different!
but then what do I know. I hate fitness work :lol:

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:48 PM
Jenny Thompson, Heike Dreschler, Bev Francis

You still haven't cited any evidence for a racial link. I'm not even denying there is one. But I've never heard that form any source except you, so I asking you to back that up with more evidence than your own race theories.
ok ok ok there's a long-winded explaination to that, including things about muscle fibres and aerobic/anaerobic differences between different races, but i really have a sociology class i need to attend.

if you're that interested, i'll do it when i come back :)

GoGoMaggie
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:53 PM
I think it's true that black people are genetically born to be more muscular than other races. Chanda, Serena, Zina are all muscular compared to other girs such as Amy Frazier with the exception of Martina Naveratilova that always reminds me of men's arms.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:02 PM
Some folks are putting their racial pre-conceptions on display here.

I think there's so confusion with race and geography going on here.

West Africans as a geographic group, tend to be muscular. Lot of good sprinters. East Africans tend to are ectomorphs. Think the Kenyan dominance of distance running. Europeans fall in the middle. There was a wonderful study on this that I can't find on google by European Olympic coach. He took part of his team to West Africa, and found 'literally hundreds' of kids in villiages who could outrun his best. In West Africa, his teram trounced all comers. The diference wasn't race. It was geography.

American Blacks and Caribbeans are decended (mostly) from West Africans. American Whites are descended (mostly) from Europeans. ONe would expect, based on GEOGRAPHY, that AMerican Balcks would dominate sprint sports here, and WHite distance sports. All othe rthings being equal.

For raw physical power, Samoans beat out anyone. But NFL lineman are the strongest athletes inthe world, as a group, and their mostly of European descent.

If you look at the whole world, instead of sticking to one's own myopic racial pre-concieved notions, it becomes apparent very quickly that athletic prowess isn't racially linked. But in the USA anyway, EVERYTHING is racially linked. We view everything so totally through that prism that we don't even see it anymore.

But go find me a Kenyan built like Superman.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:07 PM
I think it's true that black people are genetically born to be more muscular than other races. Chanda, Serena, Zina are all muscular compared to other girs such as Amy Frazier with the exception of Martina Naveratilova that always reminds me of men's arms.
Lindsay, Barbara Schett, Amelie, Monica, Nadia Petrova.

Eliminate Serena from the equation and there's virtually no visible difference betweenthe arms sizes of the more muscluar White women on the tour and the more muscular Black women.

Go actually LOOK at Venus' arms vs Lindsay or Monica. Don't try to remember. Go find pictures and LOOK. Find several, because it's easy to at look at just one and find one that backs up what you believed all along.

~RedRose~
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:09 PM
If it is so genetic how come Serena has such big muscles while venus (although muscular) is quite lean? I know not all siblings are the same body shape etc but nobody in her family is quite as built as Serena is. Although i I think it has to do partly with genetics but it prob also has to do with the effort that Serena put in to shape her body early in her career.

Pureracket
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:11 PM
Some folks are putting their racial pre-conceptions on display here.

I think there's so confusion with race and geography going on here.

West Africans as a geographic group, tend to be muscular. Lot of good sprinters. East Africans tend to are ectomorphs. Think the Kenyan dominance of distance running. Europeans fall in the middle. There was a wonderful study on this that I can't find on google by European Olympic coach. He took part of his team to West Africa, and found 'literally hundreds' of kids in villiages who could outrun his best. In West Africa, his teram trounced all comers. The diference wasn't race. It was geography.

American Blacks and Caribbeans are decended (mostly) from West Africans. American Whites are descended (mostly) from Europeans. ONe would expect, based on GEOGRAPHY, that AMerican Balcks would dominate sprint sports here, and WHite distance sports. All othe rthings being equal.

For raw physical power, Samoans beat out anyone. But NFL lineman are the strongest athletes inthe world, as a group, and their mostly of European descent.

If you look at the whole world, instead of sticking to one's own myopic racial pre-concieved notions, it becomes apparent very quickly that athletic prowess isn't racially linked. But in the USA anyway, EVERYTHING is racially linked. We view everything so totally through that prism that we don't even see it anymore.

But go find me a Kenyan built like Superman.LOL. . ..you are actually using wonderful logic. It's just soooo funny because you are trying to convince these kids of this, and it's 2004!!!!! They are going to believe what they wanna believe.

What I can't believe is how Bram got you all to eat the bait in this thread. He cares about as much about Serena as I care about taking my Christmas lights down this weekend. . . LOL!!!!!

mimbari24
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:19 PM
The difference might have something to do with race but it has more to do with body type. Sharapova is tall so it would make sense that she has less muscles a la Venus.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:25 PM
LOL. . ..you are actually using wonderful logic. It's just soooo funny because you are trying to convince these kids of this, and it's 2004!!!!! They are going to believe what they wanna believe.

What I can't believe is how Bram got you all to eat the bait in this thread. He cares about as much about Serena as I care about taking my Christmas lights down this weekend. . . LOL!!!!!
It's an interesting topic, one where people have a lot of wrong ideas and there's documentation available to refute them. I don't expect to convince them. I just want to plant seeds of doubt that might one day spout to more open-minded, and fewer racial preconceptions.

tenn_ace
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:32 PM
I don't think it's TOTALLY genetic...if that was the case, she'd be as fit as Oracene and Richard :scared:

:haha: can't stop laughing :haha:

but seriously, ask ReeTexx. seems like he has all the answers :lol:

Originally Posted by TeeRexx
It may be the after affects of steroid use.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:38 PM
The difference might have something to do with race but it has more to do with body type. Sharapova is tall so it would make sense that she has less muscles a la Venus.
And look at the differences in the tall players! Some of them, Venus, Dani, Sharapova, are 'Mary Jo Fernandez' body-types, while Lindsay and Monica are more Margaret Court-Smith.

The thing about Serena is .. well, look at what she was wearing at Miami. All the fat in the girl's body is in her boobs. If they ever make another 'Supergirl' movie, she'd be perfect. I think, in some ways, that's why Venus lost some of her 'intimidation factor', and Serena hasn't. Once the tour got used to Venus, and got past her shyness, she just wasn't that imposing. Lindasy was bigger. Monica was bigger if not quite as tall. Venus hit like hell, but her arms and shoulders were the same size as everyone else.

Serena walks into the room, and it's impoosible not to think you're at a physical disadvantage. Plenty of players are taller than Serena, but nobody else looks like Artemis.

Experimentee
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:49 PM
You cant expect all teenagers to have the same body types. Serena was muscular because of a combination of genetic disposition and exercise, like most other muscular women.

Question should be, why are today's teen stars not as GOOD as Serena was? At 17 Serena was in the top 10 and won a Grand Slam title, today there are no 17 year olds that are even close to the top 10. Venus, Hingis, Capriati etc were all also great when 17, they all make today's youngsters look pretty bad! Maybe they should all bulk up?

Sofiane
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:51 PM
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Question should be, why are today's teen stars not as GOOD as Serena was? At 17 Serena was in the top 10 and won a Grand Slam title, today there are no 17 year olds that are even close to the top 10. Venus, Hingis, Capriati etc were all also great when 17, they all make today's youngsters look pretty bad! Maybe they should all bulk up?If I am not mistaken, Serena wasn't under the age illegibility rule.

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:53 PM
There speaks a bigoted idiot.

Go check out the WTA. The league is full of Black women and not one of them comes close to Serena in muscle tone or definition.
Why Volcana why why why. I'm static facts in evidence. Humans that have evolved in hotter climates have less natural bodyfat than those that lived in colder climates. Fat = protection from cold. Serena has simply trained harder than anyone else. Cappy has much bigger arms than she has but because of the lack of definition it isn't as quickly noticable.

To base musclesize on race undermines her hard work. Don't hate baby, appreciate

Fingon
Apr 22nd, 2004, 03:51 PM
It surprises me that Serena already had so many muscles at that time! At what age did she start bodybuilding? :eek:

as far as I know, bodybuilding gives you bigger or more toned muscles, not more muscles

Serena has as many muscles as my grandmother, unless she has been through some genetic engineering process.

Brαm
Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:52 PM
as far as I know, bodybuilding gives you bigger or more toned muscles, not more muscles

Serena has as many muscles as my grandmother, unless she has been through some genetic engineering process.
Yes ok, I didn't use the right word there. Blame it on my language skills :o

Experimentee
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:08 PM
If I am not mistaken, Serena wasn't under the age illegibility rule.

Serena was under the AER, but it didnt affect her as she didnt play much anyway. If she'd been under the AER in 2003 she still would have been #1!
To use another example, Kournikova was under the AER but she still was top 10 when she was a teenager. I doubt the AER really affects today's young players that much. If they are good enough they will win no matter how much they play.

SelesFan70
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:14 PM
Y'all are all wrong! :o It's the beads. Can't believe y'all missed that!

Pureracket
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
Y'all are all wrong! :o It's the beads. Can't believe y'all missed that!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Black Mamba.
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:39 PM
IMO? i think Marion Jones has "big muscles". i think Maria Mutola has "big muscles". i think Merlene Ottey has "big muscles". i think Chrystie Gaines has "big muscles". want more?
Marion Jones is a track star. Most if not all spinters White, Black, Red or whatever have large muscles.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:51 PM
Don't hate baby, appreciate... black women look like she-hulksThere speaks a bigoted idiotSorry, I don't appreciate hate.

bigshow21
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:52 PM
:devil: steroids!!!!!! :devil:

Ballbuster
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:53 PM
There speaks a bigoted idiot.

Go check out the WTA. The league is full of Black women and not one of them comes close to Serena in muscle tone or definition.

You don't know what the F*&K you are talking about.

It is easy to sit on in your lazyboy and analyze. It is another thing to live the life. YOU are fat and out of shape. You know nothing about CURRENT physical lifestyles.

Duneman is correct and so is gogomaggie.

1. Serena's body type is genetic - and it happen to be the most coveted body type by the African American community. She is simply marvelous

2. Serena upper body cuts up much more quickly than her lower body. (look at Wimbledon 2003 and Miami 2004)

3. Because of her skin color - the muscles are more pronounced.

It is not her fault she was born that way. All she did was added exercises and pronounced her qualities.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:59 PM
If I am not mistaken, Serena wasn't under the age illegibility rule.
Serena could play under the AER now. She's never played more than 13 events in a season, if I count correctly.

1997 - 1
1998 - 11
1999 - 10
2000 - 11
2001 - 10
2002 - 13
2003 - 7

It's one reason why I don't think the AER is limiting anyone. Elite players become elite fast no matter how little they play on the big tour.

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:04 PM
You don't know what the F*&K you are talking about.

It is easy to sit on in your lazyboy and analyze. It is another thing to live the life. YOU are fat and out of shape. You know nothing about CURRENT physical lifestyles.

Duneman is correct and so is gogomaggie.

1. Serena's body type is genetic - and it happen to be the most coveted body type by the African American community. She is simply marvelous
Dunkman is a bigoted idiot. Whethe that's malicious or not I can't know, but the narrow minded racial stereotyping of his comments is self-evident. He didn't talk about African American women. He talked about 'Black' women, a worldwide community covering continents and a lot of different body types. And then generalized them into one narrow little comment that betrays more about his biases than it conveys it fact.

Go find me a woman from Kenya or Nigeria who fits that's pattern. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. So far, I can't see that you know anything at all. You certainly don't know me, or my definition of 'out-of-shape'. As for 'current physical lifestyles' two years I was competeing on the National circuit in Kung Fu. THAT current enough for you? What were YOU doing?

Infiniti2001
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:05 PM
:devil: steroids!!!!!! :devil:

Serena's boobs are her proof against steroid useage. If you've noticed they've grown bigger over the years- steroids would shrink them in a NY minute :devil: :tape:

Pureracket
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:09 PM
Serena's boobs are proof against steroid useage. If you've noticed they've grown bigger over the years- steroids would shrink them in a NY minute :devil: :tape:Infiniti,
Let me see if I understand you then? I'll do it by example or scenario.

A woman tennis player from a certain country. . . .let's say. .I don't know. . .Belgium. . . .who has small breasts whose name is. . . err. . .Julia Harmon. .. would probably be suspected of using steroids?

bigshow21
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:15 PM
Serena's boobs are her proof against steroid useage. If you've noticed they've grown bigger over the years- steroids would shrink them in a NY minute :devil: :tape:

Maybe she got implants to cover up the shrinkage?!?!?! :lol: :tape: Plus maybe that explains her absence from the game!?! :shrug:

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:16 PM
Marion Jones is a track star. Most if not all spinters White, Black, Red or whatever have large muscles.they're all sprinters luv ;)

it uses the anaerobic energy group, and tennis does too, so i'm sure you'll find there are similarities :)

also, movement in tennis needs explosive speed, which is also used in sprinting, so both need long fast-twitching fibres in the legs

SelesFan70
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:17 PM
Maybe she got implants to cover up the shrinkage?!?!?! :lol: :tape: Plus maybe that explains her absence from the game!?! :shrug:
Nope, they are way too JIGGLY to be fake :lol:

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:20 PM
Maybe she got implants to cover up the shrinkage?!?!?! :lol: :tape: Plus maybe that explains her absence from the game!?! :shrug:
Fed Cuppers and Olympians get tested a lot more than everybody else. I tend to figure anyone who does those two is a bit less likely. Although using boob size as a measure of steriod usgae COULD gain popularity. JCAP not being exactly top heavy, maybe she got some 'help' to make #1?:)

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:21 PM
Dunkman is a bigoted idiot. Whethe that's malicious or not I can't know, but the narrow minded racial stereotyping of his comments is self-evident. He didn't talk about African American women. He talked about 'Black' women, a worldwide community covering continents and a lot of different body types. And then generalized them into one narrow little comment that betrays more about his biases than it conveys it fact.

Go find me a woman from Kenya or Nigeria who fits that's pattern. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. So far, I can't see that you know anything at all. You certainly don't know me, or my definition of 'out-of-shape'. As for 'current physical lifestyles' two years I was competeing on the National circuit in Kung Fu. THAT current enough for you? What were YOU doing?wtf are you talking about you need to relax instead of lashing out at me. I don't know why you are taking the analogy of She-Hulk as a negative one, I sure don't. It was a slight exagerration. I tried to emphazise the effect of low body fat and athletic training, that is all. It brings out the muscles more.

Besides I think She-Hulk is sexy, so there! Hence the : lick: icon. So please calm the fuck down.

ps. Have you read the entire post?

bigshow21
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:21 PM
Nope, they are way too JIGGLY to be fake :lol:

Darn, your right!! But at least i tried!! :yeah: :clap2:

Infiniti2001
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:22 PM
Maybe she got implants to cover up the shrinkage?!?!?! :lol: :tape: Plus maybe that explains her absence from the game!?! :shrug:


http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003400301,00.jpg

These boobs are not up in her throat like the chicks who pay for theirs. I've never touched them, but as a fellow woman I am positive they're real. :mad:

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:22 PM
Serena's boobs are her proof against steroid useage. If you've noticed they've grown bigger over the years- steroids would shrink them in a NY minute :devil: :tape:
You are correct

tennischick
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:23 PM
there's no denying that Serena lifts serious iron. you CANNOT get those arms and shoulders from playing tennis alone. the girl pumps, and she pumps some heavy shit. she obviously looks muscular bec that is the way she WANTS to look. it's her body and she's entitled.

Brαm
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:25 PM
there's no denying that Serena lifts serious iron. you CANNOT get those arms and shoulders from playing tennis alone. the girl pumps, and she pumps some heavy shit. she obviously looks muscular bec that is the way she WANTS to look. it's her body and she's entitled.
Great post!

bigshow21
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:26 PM
Fed Cuppers and Olympians get tested a lot more than everybody else. I tend to figure anyone who does those two is a bit less likely. Although using boob size as a measure of steriod usgae COULD gain popularity. JCAP not being exactly top heavy, maybe she got some 'help' to make #1?:)

I was just joking about Serena. Dont try to turn this onto Jen now. Although, sometimes I do wonder if she has used steroids, but she definately has NOT. She has always been big boned and smaller chested. She is pure talent without the cheating of drug use!! :yeah:

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
there's no denying that Serena lifts serious iron. you CANNOT get those arms and shoulders from playing tennis alone. the girl pumps, and she pumps some heavy shit. she obviously looks muscular bec that is the way she WANTS to look. it's her body and she's entitled.
It's not really a question of how you "want" to look. She's professional enough to know that a strong body is key to being a top player. I have a feeling that alot women are tentative to train hard because they don't want to be too musculair.

tennischick
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:31 PM
It's not really a question of how you "want" to look. She's professional enough to know that a strong body is key to being a top player. I have a feeling that alot women are tentative to train hard because they don't want to be too musculair.exactly! and Serena must be very comfortable with looking muscular. which means that this is how she WANTS to look. and frankly it looks good on her. she is the epitome of fitness IMO. and i agree that many women/tennis players would not WANT to look that way. that's their choice.

DunkMachine
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:32 PM
http://www.moorecreations.com/MARVEL/She-Hulk.jpg
http://img46.photobucket.com/albums/v142/DunkMachine/asian_baby01.jpg

TeeRexx
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:32 PM
as far as I know, bodybuilding gives you bigger or more toned muscles, not more muscles

Serena has as many muscles as my grandmother, unless she has been through some genetic engineering process.
Great Post!:worship: :lol:

Another idiotic statement was revealed and has nothing to do with language skills but more social skills or the lack of that is. :(

SJW
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:32 PM
there's no denying that Serena lifts serious iron. you CANNOT get those arms and shoulders from playing tennis alone. the girl pumps, and she pumps some heavy shit. she obviously looks muscular bec that is the way she WANTS to look. it's her body and she's entitled.i used to play a lot of sport, and i would have to disagree with you ;)

she may lift weights occasionally, but i doubt it's a fundamental part of her exercise regime

Ballbuster
Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:54 PM
So far, I can't see that you know anything at all. You certainly don't know me, or my definition of 'out-of-shape'. As for 'current physical lifestyles' two years I was competeing on the National circuit in Kung Fu. THAT current enough for you? What were YOU doing?

You're a potbelled old man - you admitted it on this board 3 months ago.

pav
Apr 22nd, 2004, 08:55 PM
A quick look thru the posts shows no mention of the late -highly twitch-fibred Flo Jo amongst the examples(unless I missed Her) I suppose She is a bit out of favour now.


I heard a commentator, I think at the US Open, saying how the Williams Sisters came from such a bad area that They had to dodge bullets on the way to the courts where They practised and the sweep the broken glass off before they could play, Hell, with all that activityand action, no wonder They turned out super-heroes muscular or otherwise!

Volcana
Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:48 PM
You're a potbelled old man - you admitted it on this board 3 months ago.That's a quote I've love to see. Especially the 'old' and 'man' parts. You'd certainly find 'middle-aged' and 'woman' more, but under oath, I don't confess to be any of those four things.

Ballbuster
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:57 AM
That's a quote I've love to see. Especially the 'old' and 'man' parts. You'd certainly find 'middle-aged' and 'woman' more, but under oath, I don't confess to be any of those four things.


O.K. let's settle with "protruding Stomach" and spreading buttocks!

BTW, I could care less who you are and what you do, especially, Since you won't reveal if you are a he or a she. Um, That being the case are you Pre-opt Transgender?

The only thing I find interesting about you are your analytical skills.

Peace!

jacobruiz
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:13 AM
I think that there are many different body types within all races. Some are short, some tall, big-boned, small boned, broad shouldered, narrow shouldered, etc.

And Africa is far too big a continent to only have one body type or propensity for being muscular. In some African countries, such as Kenya, many people seem to be tall and slender, not all, of course. In others, or rather other African ethnic groups, the people are much shorter in stature. This might sound like a dumb example but if you've ever seen the movie "The Gods Must be Crazy", the tribe of people the movie was centered around were small with delicate, fine features and rather light skin.

As far as the amount of body fat and muscle, this too varies as anyone can see if they open their eyes and minds.

flyingmachine
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:24 AM
:devil: steroids!!!!!! :devil:
:rolleyes: Last year it was Justine and now it's Serena's turn for the Steroid frying pan. :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:37 AM
:rolleyes: Last year it was Justine and now it's Serena's turn for the Steroid frying pan. :rolleyes:
when hasn't it been Serena's turn? :lol: or JCap for that matter, Henin has just joined the party that's all. ;)

flyingmachine
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:45 AM
when hasn't it been Serena's turn? :lol: or JCap for that matter, Henin has just joined the party that's all. ;)
What? Guessing who has steroid contest. :devil: Starting with Justine Henin-Hardenne, Serena Williams and Jennifer Capitati. :lol: You make a film out of this. :lol:

faboozadoo15
Apr 23rd, 2004, 01:46 AM
why are people denying that serena williams may have done a good amount of weightlifting??? the put in the time and has the muscles to show for it. i think it's something she should be praised for!!!
you don't get all that from hitting a ball, no matter how hard...

Infiniti2001
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:41 AM
Infiniti- why did you post that pic? It has to be one of the most horrible Pics of Serena around...and in that pic and even now, her arms don't look that huge at all...normal, athletic arms.

To show that Serena's chest is as real as it gets :p :lol:

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:43 AM
why are people denying that serena williams may have done a good amount of weightlifting??? the put in the time and has the muscles to show for it. i think it's something she should be praised for!!!
you don't get all that from hitting a ball, no matter how hard...
Cause she has said herself that she and Venus don't lift weights alot.

tennischick
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:43 AM
TC, that is not exactly true at all....I don't believe Serena lifts serious iron at all (unless you want to call her a liar;)) For years people used to ask me if i work out (lift weights) and at the time, i only played tennis and didn't even lift and my arms were well defined and I don't have the body type of Serena and I am much lighter than Serena..I attribute that to genetics and the fact that i have some melanin;) I am not denying Serena doesn't work out but her muscles are definitely more defined because of her skin tone..i mean there are may still shots of players like Anna Kournikova, Hingis, Kim, you name any other tennis player and you see the definition /muscles in their arms & legs, that you otherwise don't see.

Infiniti- why did you post that pic? It has to be one of the most horrible Pics of Serena around...and in that pic and even now, her arms don't look that huge at all...normal, athletic arms.no i am not accusing Serena of lying. i am accusing some of her fans of being in serious denial. and i'm not sure why. why do we need to minimise Serena's muscles?? it's not as if she is hiding them or pretending that they don't exist. she is completely comfortable with her chosen body and we should be too. just a thought.

i have seen Serena in person several times. IMO, she puts in serious time in her personal gym. that's MY opinion -- and i respect your right to believe otherwise. yes other players like Hingis and Kim are quite muscled -- but IMO Serena is in a class by herself. i seriously do not get the need to mnimise this.

i have no problem with the pic posted by Infiniti. Serena should not have worn that outfit if she wasn't prepared to see it reappearing on tennis-boards. i guess i'm not much into denial.

DunkMachine
Apr 23rd, 2004, 04:07 AM
Fact: Blacks have less upper body fat, that's why there is more muscle tone. Add physical training that comes with pro sports and black women look like she-hulks :lick:.
I'll restate this:

Fact: Blacks have less upper body fat, that's why there is more muscle tone. Add physical training that comes with pro sports and black women may look buff. When in fact it's just the definition that exaggerates the look.

faboozadoo15
Apr 23rd, 2004, 06:25 AM
Cause she has said herself that she and Venus don't lift weights alot.
well then i'd question what they consider a lot... but okay. if they said it...

dreamgoddess099
Apr 23rd, 2004, 07:31 AM
Actually, Serena and Venus both stated on Oprah that they don't lift heavy weights, just use therabands(sp) and play tennis. Of course Serena and Venus work out, but their trainer Kerri has said that they both have naturally strong bodies.

From a recent interview in Sister2sister magazine:

Jamie (the interviewers name): Were you always built the way you are or were you skinny, then blossomed?

Serena: No. I was just looking at some pictures of when I was really young. I had diesel arms. I was like "oh my." I don't really work out so much on my upper body.

Jamie: What about your legs and your bun-buns?

Serena: Yeah I do things to keep it firm, but that's more or less natural too. But you have to do lots of exercises.

tennischick
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:16 AM
if you read the quotes carefully it's kinda hard to determine exactly how much Serena actually works out. i choose to believe that it is a whole lot. i respect your and anyone's right to believe otherwise. sorry if this wasn't clear.

dreamgoddess099
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:47 AM
Serena is buff; for a girl. Her muscle definition is highly exaggerated. Any amount of muscle on a woman is considered to be a lot. But in real life, her muscles are smaller than my fifteen your old brother and he doesn't lift weights at all.

GoGoMaggie
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:49 AM
I wonder how Serena would fair if she entered some femal bodybuilding contest.

Crazy Canuck
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:52 AM
Serena is buff; for a girl. Her muscle definition is highly exaggerated. Any amount of muscle on a woman is considered to be a lot. But in real life, her muscles are smaller than my fifteen your old brother and he doesn't lift weights at all.
For a woman, yes. For a girl, her muscles would be beyond belief

DunkMachine
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:56 AM
I REALLY don't understand why people are so upset about what I've said(you want that in a bigger font for this?). It the truth

Crazy Canuck
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:06 PM
I REALLY don't understand why people are so upset about what I've said(you want that in a bigger font for this?). It the truth
I think that the only person upset about it was Volcana. Nobody else seemed to read your post the same way, unless I skipped over some replies. I may have.

Crazy Canuck
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:08 PM
For what it's worth, I found it rather ridiculous that your comment - which was laced with a bloody lick smiley for christs sake - somehow got called on for it's "hate". The rest of the arguement about stereotyping, not all black women having the same body type, blah blah was valid. But I don't quite understand how it provoked such an angry reaction. But hey... what do I know? :)

gentenaire
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:23 PM
I REALLY don't understand why people are so upset about what I've said(you want that in a bigger font for this?). It the truth
I once received a similar reaction, DM, when I talked about how blacks are at a disadvantage when it comes to swimming. It also has to do with body fat, bone structure, etc. I was called a racist.

A diving instructor told me that while white divers need a weight belt in order to get down, all the black people he instructed didn't need any weights at all.

Dolpho
Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:39 PM
I wonder how Serena would fair if she entered some femal bodybuilding contest.
she s gonna win it naturally, as bodybuilding is just about muscles not looks at all!