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Dr.Phil
Apr 20th, 2004, 10:57 PM
If you had to chose between a tier 1 title (lets say, Indian Wells or Miami) and a Grand Slam SF, which would you choose?

fan911
Apr 20th, 2004, 10:58 PM
A title. Actually, even a tier 2 title... Look at Anna, she made the SF of Wimbledon and nobody cares, all they talk about is that she has no titles... :rolleyes:

calabar
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:02 PM
You cannot be serious.

*Jool*
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:08 PM
A GS semi !! (for Conchi for instance)
If Anna had won a Tier 2 but never passed 1/8 in GS, they wd have said "she's never done well in GS " !!! lol

jonny84
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Probably choose the Grand Slam SF - most people who don't follow tennis won't be familiar with the Indian Wells and Miami events :D

Dr.Phil
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:13 PM
Probably choose the Grand Slam SF - most people who don't follow tennis won't be familiar with the Indian Wells and Miami events :D

thanks to ESPN

croat123
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:21 PM
title, easily

crazillo
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Maggie would prefer a GS semi.

kwanfan
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Title

Mikey
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:05 AM
Definitely the title. I'd be satisfied with my lone tier II or III title for that matter :p

Stephieva
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:07 AM
me thinks a tier I title.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:17 AM
A title. Actually, even a tier 2 title... Look at Anna, she made the SF of Wimbledon and nobody cares, all they talk about is that she has no titles... :rolleyes:

I agree 100%. No matter how good you are, if you don't win a title and get to, let's say three out of four grand slam finals [Kim], or five out of six [Venus], the best you'll ever be is a bridesmaid, but if you have a title to your credit, even if it is a Tier II (Dementieva won two Tier II and one Tier III (it could be more than that, but all I can remeber now is Amelia, Bali, and China, so be nice Dementieva fans) events last year, but and she hasn't even gotten to the semis of a Grand Slam (like I said earlier Dementieva fans, if I'm wrong, don't go crazy on me), but still her career ranks better than Kournikova's. In the words of Nelly, "Two (runner-up) is not a winner and three...nobody remebers."

In my opinion, if you win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS. All of the Tier I winner this year have won at least three (Pan Pacific ~ Davneport [3] Indian Wells ~ Henin-Hardenne [3] Miami ~ Serena [6] Charleston ~ Venus [4]). So........... if you can win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS, but of the two, the Tier I victory is much better!

Dr.Phil
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:19 AM
I agree 100%. No matter how good you are, if you don't win a title and get to, let's say three out of four grand slam finals [Kim], or five out of six [Venus], the best you'll ever be is a bridesmaid, but if you have a title to your credit, even if it is a Tier II (Dementieva won two Tier II and one Tier III (it could be more than that, but all I can remeber now is Amelia, Bali, and China, so be nice Dementieva fans) events last year, but and she hasn't even gotten to the semis of a Grand Slam (like I said earlier Dementieva fans, if I'm wrong, don't go crazy on me), but still her career ranks better than Kournikova's. In the words of Nelly, "Two (runner-up) is not a winner and three...nobody remebers."

In my opinion, if you win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS. All of the Tier I winner this year have won at least three (Pan Pacific ~ Davneport [3] Indian Wells ~ Henin-Hardenne [3] Miami ~ Serena [6] Charleston ~ Venus [4]). So........... if you can win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS, but of the two, the Tier I victory is much better!

Great post Mrs.SJW! :) your posts are always fun to read.

Ryan
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:23 AM
I agree 100%. No matter how good you are, if you don't win a title and get to, let's say three out of four grand slam finals [Kim], or five out of six [Venus], the best you'll ever be is a bridesmaid, but if you have a title to your credit, even if it is a Tier II (Dementieva won two Tier II and one Tier III (it could be more than that, but all I can remeber now is Amelia, Bali, and China, so be nice Dementieva fans) events last year, but and she hasn't even gotten to the semis of a Grand Slam (like I said earlier Dementieva fans, if I'm wrong, don't go crazy on me), but still her career ranks better than Kournikova's. In the words of Nelly, "Two (runner-up) is not a winner and three...nobody remebers."

In my opinion, if you win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS. All of the Tier I winner this year have won at least three (Pan Pacific ~ Davneport [3] Indian Wells ~ Henin-Hardenne [3] Miami ~ Serena [6] Charleston ~ Venus [4]). So........... if you can win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS, but of the two, the Tier I victory is much better!

:worship: post. But Elena actually made the USO semis in 2000, losing to Lindsay. ;)

apoet29
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:23 AM
I agree 100%. No matter how good you are, if you don't win a title and get to, let's say three out of four grand slam finals [Kim], or five out of six [Venus], the best you'll ever be is a bridesmaid, but if you have a title to your credit, even if it is a Tier II (Dementieva won two Tier II and one Tier III (it could be more than that, but all I can remeber now is Amelia, Bali, and China, so be nice Dementieva fans) events last year, but and she hasn't even gotten to the semis of a Grand Slam (like I said earlier Dementieva fans, if I'm wrong, don't go crazy on me), but still her career ranks better than Kournikova's. In the words of Nelly, "Two (runner-up) is not a winner and three...nobody remebers."

In my opinion, if you win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS. All of the Tier I winner this year have won at least three (Pan Pacific ~ Davneport [3] Indian Wells ~ Henin-Hardenne [3] Miami ~ Serena [6] Charleston ~ Venus [4]). So........... if you can win a Tier I, you should be able to win a GS, but of the two, the Tier I victory is much better!
Actually Dementieva has been to the semifinals of a GS (US Open 2000) and the year end championships (2000). She is also a five time finalist in Miami, ’s-Hertogenbosch, Acapulco, Moscow and the Sydney Olympics.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:00 AM
Actually Dementieva has been to the semifinals of a GS (US Open 2000) and the year end championships (2000). She is also a five time finalist in Miami, ’s-Hertogenbosch, Acapulco, Moscow and the Sydney Olympics.

Thanks! I didn't know that!

Bright Red
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:38 AM
As I wouldn't be remembered for either, I'd take whichever pays the most.

Volcana
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:29 AM
The Tier I title. It's not even close. Ending a tournament by holding the trophy over your head is usually better than ending it losing.

Now, if you had said a GS final vs winning Moscow or Toray Pan Pacific, well, that's another matter.

Gowza
Apr 21st, 2004, 09:55 AM
it depends on the quality of the field but i would take a title at miami of a slam semi however i would take a slam semi over any other title.

tennnisfannn
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:54 PM
The difference between Annak and Sharapova, actually obody every quotes what a low tier tourny is won.

A'DAM
Apr 21st, 2004, 05:04 PM
I would choose a Title cause its always better to leave a tournament as a champion than as a looser ...

Task
Apr 21st, 2004, 05:25 PM
I'd take the title. For that moment in your life, you get to say you were the best their is in that contest. Being the best beats out making the final four.

And in the long run, when your name comes up in tennis conversation, someone will ask "how many titles did she win?" more often than "how many grand slam semifinal's did she make?"

joao
Apr 21st, 2004, 07:01 PM
A TierI title (like Miami or IW) will give you more points and more money than a GS SF ... and the fact that you were the Champion at least once in your career. And think about the fact that TierI events like Miami or IW are usually as strong as a GS.

It's not even close here!

SelesFan70
Apr 21st, 2004, 07:04 PM
Personally, I'd use my Tier I title to propel me to a Major/Grand Slam title. :woohoo:

esquímaux
Apr 21st, 2004, 07:12 PM
I'd be glad to get through the qualies :shrug:

bw2082
Apr 21st, 2004, 07:14 PM
indian wells or the nasdaq 100 ? Come on get real. Who'd pass taking those two titles, arguably the 5th and 6th largest tournaments for a semi final grand slam appearance?

ace4lleykim
Apr 21st, 2004, 08:09 PM
I would chose the Tier I Title can atleast you have some titles rather than nothin'.

tennisIlove09
Apr 21st, 2004, 08:14 PM
Title

CanadianGuy
Apr 21st, 2004, 10:17 PM
Well, according to WTA ranking table, which usually tells the importance of a tournament, suggests that it is harder to reach SF slam than to win a Tier II

Slam R16= 90 pts, Tier V title, =80 pts, IV=95 pts:)
e.g. Maria's Wimbledon R16 vs Quebec title (III), which one is more memorable?

Slam QF=162 pts, Tier III=120 pts :) (145 for bonus)
e.g. Why is Maleeva always overlooked, she has 10 titles, but it's her slam performance that made her look ordinar, she was #4 for goodness sake(1 QF)

SF-292 Tier II-195, 220(Bonus) pts Olympics = 245 pts:eek:
e.g. Myskina won a lot of Tier II's already, the first one was Bahai, did she become a star afterwards? Not really, it was Dementieva who reached US Open SF who was more known.
Kim won Tier II at 17, but no one really "noticed" her until her run at Roland Garros.
Jen won Olympics, but mor people talked about her reaching US SF as a teenager than her gold medal.

the slam final will beat other titles of course. anyone who is there deserves all the hypes. Amelie Mauresmo, Anke Huber, Amanda Coetzer etc. etc..

These are the facts, and WTA does seem suggest the slam SF beats out a Tier II title, after all you only have to win 5 matches get a Tier II title while SF is the 6th match. Plus the fact that there are only 4 slams a year and sometimes Tier III can rival Tier II (Shanghai vs Luxemburg). And slams are the places where you become famous, no doubt about that. Even though IMHO slams over-award the points, but still a SF performance stand out more than a hundred players who won tier III's in the last 5 years.

spencercarlos
Apr 21st, 2004, 10:47 PM
title, easily
Title for me as well, i don`t think there is no a better feeling than finishing as the best (unbeaten) in one week! :bounce:

cometz9
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:09 AM
i would choose a title