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anshu19
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:11 AM
Hey everyone......i am sure everyone knows that Hingis and Seles got along well. I was just watching some tape of Monica's match ( Acura classis - 2001 - qtrfinals) and they had a behind the scene's special on Seles! Guess what.....she was hitting/streching/practising/eating....with HINGIS!! she commented that they are good friends....

Then it just occured.....was Monica's one sided rivalry with Hingis a mere head case? I mean....she lost sooo many times to Hingis....was it because at the back of the head...she knew they were good friends...and it did not matter if she lost! So many times i felt...Monica turned up for matches against Hingis without her distinctive killer instinct!

I thought it would be a interesting discussion....as i take my own example! I have a close friend...and we often play together....and i have noticed...i dont put in much effoer against him....i mean i wanna win...but most of the times i lose to him...where as i beat other players convincingly!

am i a head-case too? :tape: ( dont say it guys!!!)

cheers....

BTW I love Monica! :worship:

Vincent
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:21 AM
It's because you and Monica are sweet people. :)

SelesFan70
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Monica is a champion. She would NEVER "let" Hingis win.

vancouverite
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Interesting theory, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record...

Hingis beat Monica so frequently because of one major factor that contributed to the others: lack of mobility brought about by lack of fitness.

Their first match was in '96, at a period when Monica had a lingering shoulder injury, was not as fit as her top rivals, and was dealing with lots of personal issues. Still, to a large degree, I believe Seles fooled herself into thinking her level of fitness was sufficient to win slams. Winning the Oz Open in '96 and getting to the final of the US Open that year no doubt bolstered that belief.

But Hingis was fresh, and had a near-supernatural ability to expose players' weaknesses from every corner of the court. If Seles had been able to deal immediately with her fitness issues as soon as Hingis exposed them so readily, their head-to-head might have been different. As it is, Seles was only able to beat Hingis when she was so 'on' that the fitness factor was eliminated (i.e., groundies too powerful and accurate to defend with placement and guile).

Hingis beat Seles by simply placing the ball as far from Seles as possible so often that Monica was drawn into errors of exasperation. In their close three-setters that Monica lost, she simply ran out of gas.

It may be that there was a mental factor at times, but I'll bet it was the knowledge that she simply couldn't track down enough balls that quietly ate at Monica as a match progressed (rather than being psyched out by a particular player).

jimbo mack
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:08 PM
martina knew how to beat monica, thats why she had so many wins over her ~ not because they were friends

Billabong
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:11 PM
and they are still friends:)! Martina said not long ago and she kept contact with Anna and Monica:)!

Kart
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:14 PM
I love Monica but Martina had her number. You don't beat a player like Monica that many times unless you're doing something right. It's nothing to be ashamed of, Monica is still a great player, as is Martina.

Still, Martina's retired now so that threat is gone.

BTW Monica and ASV were good friends and look at that head to head :eek:.

jenny161185
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:19 PM
Wow i remember the Acura Classic in 01 - wasn t Monica returning from Injury I remember she was playing great and beat jen and Martina in straight sets then lost a great final to Serena

hingis-seles
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Wow i remember the Acura Classic in 01 - wasn t Monica returning from Injury I remember she was playing great and beat jen and Martina in straight sets then lost a great final to Serena
Actually she got crushed by Venus. ;)

fan911
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...

Pureracket
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...C-H-O-K-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:fiery:

Martian Jeza
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Seles was Hingis's idol. Hingis and Seles were very good friends on the WTA tour. ANd I think they still are.

Seles and Hingis : 2 of my favorite players ever !

barmaid
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Seles was Hingis's idol. Hingis and Seles were very good friends on the WTA tour. ANd I think they still are.

Seles and Hingis : 2 of my favorite players ever !
You are correct, I have seen pictures of little Martina with a poster of Monica on her wall...:worship: I think they are 7 years difference in age...and when Marti was about 10 or 11 she came to her hometown and they met at that time....but I liked Vancouverite's analysis of their match play!!:hearts:

barmaid:wavey:

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:33 PM
martina knew how to beat monica, thats why she had so many wins over her ~ not because they were friends
Yes i agree Martina could do everything well, and anticipate so well that not even having LASER-LIKE strokes like Monica, she would just outplay her with angles, dropshots, netplay, etc...
It became at head case for Monica? Yes, at some point (i think) she though she COULD NOT compete against Martina, she entered the matches losing before a ball was being hit. But that was caused by Martina`s all around game.

Ryan
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:49 PM
Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...

Yes, I beleive they did split the last 6 matches. However I do not think Seles was getting close to evening their h2h. At US Open 02 Hingis was such a shadow of her real self it was shocking considering she beat Seles 3 times earlier in the year. If Hingis had continued playing (like she did at Oz02) then she would have won 4/5 matches with Seles IMO.

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:55 PM
Yes, I beleive they did split the last 6 matches. However I do not think Seles was getting close to evening their h2h. At US Open 02 Hingis was such a shadow of her real self it was shocking considering she beat Seles 3 times earlier in the year. If Hingis had continued playing (like she did at Oz02) then she would have won 4/5 matches with Seles IMO.
Yes i agree.. Also she got Hingis during her BAD period during the mid of 2001 (Amelie also got her twice), in fact really after the Doha and Dubai events, when another tournament drought started for her.

Ryan
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Yes i agree.. Also she got Hingis during her BAD period during the mid of 2001 (Amelie also got her twice), in fact really after the Doha and Dubai events, when another tournament drought started for her.
Yeah, Hingis played like shit after Doha/Dubai, she never really beat any top players to make the RG or USO semis and caved against top players. The Hingis of 02 mopped the floor with Seles at IW though, when she was playing near her best. Actually, they were both playing amazing in the Oz semis, but Hingis is just better when it comes to the clutch.

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Yeah, Hingis played like shit after Doha/Dubai, she never really beat any top players to make the RG or USO semis and caved against top players. The Hingis of 02 mopped the floor with Seles at IW though, when she was playing near her best. Actually, they were both playing amazing in the Oz semis, but Hingis is just better when it comes to the clutch.
They played a great match quality wise in the Tokio Pan Pacific Finals as well, both hit many many winners

mishar
Apr 20th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I think there are many reasons why Monica had such a poor record against Hingis, including poor fitness (especially in their first five matches), and just a brilliant game by Hingis which was very frustrating to many players. Monica got into much better shape in the summer of 2001 and after that, they did split the last six matches, with even Martina's wins being closer matches. Also the Chase championship in 2000 was close.
There were some very one-sided results in 1999 and 2000 where I think it was a little bit of a mental problem for Monica. Partly it was just frustration, and a respect factor for Martina, but Monica started to make a lot of errors and give Martina a lot of free points. Of course Martina forced you into errors, but I think if Seles had forgotten that she was playing Hingis for a while, she would have done better in those games. I don't know how much of it had to do with playing a friend -- perhaps some part of it? I think she was friends with Sabatini and Davenport and Sanchez-Vicario, but closest of all to Hingis.

p.s. Monica played a really terrible match at Indian Wells 02. It wasn't nearly at the level she had played against Hingis earlier that year at AO. I don't know what was wrong with her that day.

Kart
Apr 20th, 2004, 09:58 PM
She'd played a lot of weeks in a row before Indian Wells from what I remember.

Coming into the tournament she was not at her best - tough three set matches she almost lost to Conchita and ASV I think.

That's not to take anything away from Martina who was played spectacular tennis and would have won anyway.

TonyP
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:12 AM
Monica and Martina were and still are to this day close friends to my understanding.

Monica has commented publicly that it was difficult for her to play Martina in part because of their close friendship. And anyone who saw Martina after that Key Biscayne match in which she double bageled Monica could see Martina wasn't in the least happy about that.

Martina has also once said, when talking about her relationship to her mom, that Melanie wasn't the only person she confided in. She said she could go to dinner with Monica and tell her anything.

As to why Martina won 3/4s of their matches: Monica simply did not match up well against Martina, mostly because of foot speed. Martina really did like pace, so the power of Monica's shots never bothered her, because if she (Martina) was healthy, she could get to them and often send them back into territory Monica could not cover.

Incidently, that 2000 Chase Championship final at Madison Square Garden remains one of the best matches so far in this century. How many finals do you ever see when both players are at the top of their game and hitting approximately twice as many winners as unforced errors?

That match is what tennis is supposed to be all about.

faboozadoo15
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:26 AM
monica and martina were sloce firends, sure, but i don't think that affected their head 2 head really at all. monica and martina are two of the greatest competitors of all time, and martina just had her number for a while. but let's not forget that monica played martina primarily at the lowest point in her career and at martina's height and still managed some good wins. man what i'd give to see them go at it, seles 93 vs martina 97... mmm mmm mmm

go hingis
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:46 AM
I will never forget my fav live match. Aus Open Semi's 2002. Both girls played unbelivable tennis.
Martina was back to her best hitting the ball from corner to corner with not much margin for error. They both impressed me and made my trip to melbourne worth the money.

I'm a huge Hingis fan and I was worried Seles would get the better of her I also knew I would go for whoever won this semi in the finals. It also feels good to know my fav could have taken that title, Ok she didnt' but it wasn't like she had no chance. oh what hurts more????

faboozadoo15
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:26 AM
watching that final really hurt because monica played martina so tough and if she would have won, i just didn't see her losing to jenn in a grand slam final. too many bad memories for jenn that would have played to monica's favor. martina reallly should have won that match too, and i think it would have changed her career.