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jbone_0307
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:38 AM
Well i'm on the HS Tennis team and I have been noticing that I've been playing horribly against my teammates. So I did a little experiment to see what the hell was up with my game. Boy was I shocked!!! I carried a piece of paper and pen on the court and recorded my points. These were my stats when we were tied at 5-all.

Aces-1
Double Faults-4
Unforced Errors- 27
Winners-4
Forced Errors(me) 9
Forced Errors(opponent) 4

These are horrible stats. I didn't know I played this bad. Well, I love pace and this person just returns my serve and waits for me to make errors. What can I do? I try to take a lot off, but it still sails. My backhand is a mess when no pace is hit to it. I usually bounces on my part of the court before it hits the net. Its gotten so bad that I just start slicing at the ball. I feel like if/when I take pace off of the ball, my oponent is in control. I got so pissed that I started slamming serves in(atleast 100mph) and thats where most of the Forced Errors by me came from.

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:44 AM
STOP WATCHING JELENA!
jk

hit with a ball machine on your backhand with just placement being the main objective. you will pick up consistency.

if you're tied 5-5 your opponent is obviously making a lot of errors as well. perhaps you aren't giving yourself enough credit for forcing more of those errors with the slices you're hitting.
sometimes, the pushers are the hardest to play, it stays close the whole time and you have to be able to do something extra on the big points, and that can't be taught.

jbone_0307
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:04 AM
actually, my forehand, backhand, and serve were almost identical. The person I play is bad too. Its like when I hit a serve in, he blocks it back, and then should come my bread and butter shot and I end up sailing it like 5 feet behind the baseline. Also, My serve is really risky. On my second serve, I dont do that pity pat shit and just tap it over, I follow through like a regular serve, but add alot of topspin and slice. It irritates me sooo much when somebody taps the ball over because im 2 feet behind the service line and I try to smack it and it goes out.

kosmikgroove
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:14 AM
actually, my forehand, backhand, and serve were almost identical. The person I play is bad too. Its like when I hit a serve in, he blocks it back, and then should come my bread and butter shot and I end up sailing it like 5 feet behind the baseline. Also, My serve is really risky. On my second serve, I dont do that pity pat shit and just tap it over, I follow through like a regular serve, but add alot of topspin and slice. It irritates me sooo much when somebody taps the ball over because im 2 feet behind the service line and I try to smack it and it goes out.


i know it probably sounds lame but you need to relax during these points and just let your body doing the action, not your head. let the body take over.

what i do is just focus on the ball and keeping my muscles relaxed instead of tense. during my backswing my muscles are still relaxed which helps whip the ball instead of pounding it. it's only until i make impact with the ball that i push forward and use my muscles and let my body do the rest. your muscles have for lack of better definition, a sort of memory. it's used to certain strokes if you practice them over and over. let them follow through and you'll find your balls hitting the paint!

K-Dog
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:09 AM
Well i'm on the HS Tennis team and I have been noticing that I've been playing horribly against my teammates. So I did a little experiment to see what the hell was up with my game. Boy was I shocked!!! I carried a piece of paper and pen on the court and recorded my points. These were my stats when we were tied at 5-all.

Aces-1
Double Faults-4
Unforced Errors- 27
Winners-4
Forced Errors(me) 9
Forced Errors(opponent) 4

These are horrible stats. I didn't know I played this bad. Well, I love pace and this person just returns my serve and waits for me to make errors. What can I do? I try to take a lot off, but it still sails. My backhand is a mess when no pace is hit to it. I usually bounces on my part of the court before it hits the net. Its gotten so bad that I just start slicing at the ball. I feel like if/when I take pace off of the ball, my oponent is in control. I got so pissed that I started slamming serves in(atleast 100mph) and thats where most of the Forced Errors by me came from.


I play HS tennis myself, and believe you me, I wouldn't want to see my stats. I'm 4th singles varsity, and I play a game that consists of keeping the ball down the middle with pace and either waiting for an error, or opening up the court myself. Today I was playing a challenge match and I was play the number 3 varsity singles. We had long points, but very few winners. If fact through the first 5 games neither of us held serve. HS school tennis isn't about winners, its about being consistent at the right times. Its about being mentally tough and staying calm in the tough situations. I have a good two-handed backhand, an average forehand, a good, but inconsistent first serve and a patty cake second serve(sorry if it irritates you, but I've tried to follow through on my second serves and I double faulted a lot!!). My coach continually tells me to go for more on my second, and I don't because I'm quick, have good passing shots and good groundies.

We aren't pros JBone, so don't worry about your stats. I think you're looking in all the wrong places for answers. If you're at 5-all, your doing something right. Find your strengths, and try to hide the weaknesses. I don't know why so many people have troubles with their backhands, I feel its a natural shot for me.(look at your technique more so than anything, it took me three years to get a decent forehand, and three service motions to find one that works!!) In HS all you need is one good shot and you can dominate an opponent. Keep trying JBone, I'm sure you'll be fine!!

jbone_0307
Apr 21st, 2004, 10:35 PM
Obviously it didn't work. Im sooo fucking pissed right now. I played flawless doubles today against my teammates and I play another school and I cant even get the ball over the net. Im soooo close to quitting. Im tired of losing, tired of my coach, and regionals are coming up and i dont give a fuck. I didn't care after I lost my serve.

Rtael
Apr 21st, 2004, 10:44 PM
First of all. Short balls. Hit them as hard as you want. Hit them when they are *on the rise* DO NOT WAIT. You have to hit them on the rise to hit a good short ball! Second of all if you feel like you're starting to make errors. Moonball. Don't be ashamed. Moonballing=wonderful. Just lob everything deep and to the middle of the court. Especially on a high-school team against younger players who are impatient and like to hit hard, hit many winners, this tactic works great. I did this yesterday to another high school player when we were jsut hitting (not a match or anything) and he missed like 9/10 of the shots, by either going for too much, or just not being consistent enough to return them all. This tactic works even better if you're playing someone who is short because sometimes your lob can even bounce over his or her heard and he or she won't even get her racquet on it, or just barely and won't be able to return it. Lastly, just fucking be patient and don't try to hit winners on every shot! Actually that should be first because it's the most important point.

croat123
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:02 PM
it sounds like the guy you were playing was a pusher. if you're better than him, all you have to do is play your game and go for your shots and COME INTO NET (he won't have enough time to react). if that doesn't work, try mixing it up with heavy topspin and dropshots.

croat123
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:05 PM
anyways, i beat a guy ranked 108th in the state yesterday in three :cool:

in all honesty, he was technically way better than me, but, after dropping the first set, I focused and didn't let him get ahead in rallies and really mixed it up with topspin shots and slices and dropshots (i was hitting the ball pretty flat in the first set and that is apparently exactly what he wanted). i got my first break of the match by just going for it and standing a few feet inside the baseline and just hitting the ball on the rise dtl :)

arcus
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:16 PM
tennnis below the pro level is literally a comedy of errors.

By that I mean that matches are almost always decided by who makes unforced errors and who doesnt. People remember their winners, but as your finding out, the errors decide things.

Here are a couple of things that you might try, they worked for me over the years.

1] hit your first serve with a little more kick. You should get more in and that will get your confidence up.

2] Take the ball a little earlier, or at least try to make sure you are not hitting the ball a little late. That is the commmonest reason that players hits the ball WAY long, like u say u do from time to time.

3] Add some top spin to your strokes, especially when you are anxious cos youre making errors. Putting more of the "energy" of the stroke into topspin will still allow you to take a swing (as opposed to being tentative and just slicing everything on the BH), but give you a far better chance at keeping the ball in court. I'm not talking moon-ball, just aggressive spin with a loop that will keep it in play. Nothing like taking a swing with controling top spin to make you feel comfortable and in control. Does wonders for the confidence.

4] recite before EVERY point. " I am not alex stevenson, I am not alex stevenson, I will not flail at everything" (only joking :lol:)

Good luck

Maggie&MomoFan
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:36 PM
Hey, sounds like you play versus a pusher. I used to have trouble with them because id go in with a mindset saying you know ill go for my shots but i missed several shtos and got discouraged. Then i played his game and pushed and made erors. You have to trust yourself and play your game, espeical y on his 2nd serve, return it cross court and come to net, easy volley into the open court. I did this a lot verus one pusher i played and it worked great. I just won a 3 set match the other day with school and it was great, i mean wee both went for shtos and its obvious thats how you prefer matches but you need to understand with highschool tennis theres a lot of shitty players who you cant let throw you off is all!! Good luck bud! :wavey:

K-Dog
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:19 AM
Well, JBone, I won today 6-3 6-2 at 4th varsity. I played a pusher, but the wind was horrible and he couldn't serve in the first set. I'm a power player when I want to be and today I played boring, consistent tennis. After the first games, neither of us held serve. After that I only lost my serve once. I played consistent, boring tennis and it worked. I chipped the fore hand returns, short cross-court backhands and served pretty well. You seem like a player that has problems with getting down on yourself. Stay positive and make the other player beat you. Don't beat yourself. Play "pussy" tennis if it works. I did, and I won. I hit like 6 winners off the ground and 4 or 5 on my serve. Play percentage tennis and you'll be fine JBone. You sound like a talented player!

(P.S. I hate playing pushers too!!)

jbone_0307
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:31 AM
What really pissed me off is that while practicing with a teammate, I hear coach saying that Andrew and Adrian were playing singles and I was playing doubles at regionals. I hate doubles and I hate my coach. He knows that im better than both of them, they play pity pat tennis, waiting for me to mess up. This was the last match of the season and I really didn't care because I wanted to make him mad. Anyways, I'm not playing going to be on the tennis team next year. BTW my Win-Loss record was 6-5 (horrible) 4-2 in Singles; 2-3 in Doubles. I have another question, If you fail your drug test, what happens?? Do you get kicked off an extracurricular activity indefinately untill next year??

j_dementieva27
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:34 AM
k-dog... i feel you... i hate playing pushers

my only singles match was a 6-4, 2-6, 6-7(4) loss against an untalented but highly athletic "player"... in the points, it was a winner for me or an UE for me (the latter unfortunately more often)

i was so mentally drained serving for the match at 5-4 and 6-5 that i just wanted to get off the court and put my head in my poillow and sleep (it was almost 3 hours long)

faboozadoo15
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:41 AM
haha funny last question...
i wouldnt risk it...
but dude, regional doubles if you live is florida is probably highly competitive. maybe you could do well and salvage your season. who knows? don't talk yourself out of it before you even hit a ball. and don't let it bother you that two people with smaller games got to play singles. singles in high school is about consistency and they must do that better than you. maybe you will get more comfortable in doubles where big shots win more points than errors do...

jbone_0307
Apr 22nd, 2004, 01:57 AM
haha funny last question...
i wouldnt risk it...
but dude, regional doubles if you live is florida is probably highly competitive. maybe you could do well and salvage your season. who knows? don't talk yourself out of it before you even hit a ball. and don't let it bother you that two people with smaller games got to play singles. singles in high school is about consistency and they must do that better than you. maybe you will get more comfortable in doubles where big shots win more points than errors do...

Oh no, I dont do drugs, never have, and never will. I just want to know your schools policy because one of the players above that is playing singles is/was a huge weedhead. He failed his drug test and ONLY got a two week suspension, where I though if you failed your drug test you got kicked off the team. He obviously hasn't learned his lesson because he still smokes and say its theraputic and opens up his passageways. :rolleyes: They are more consistent against me, but I need some pace. My backhand is on when the other person is providing me with pace. Its when I have to run up and hit a backhand it will float out or in. My forehand is like NO! I think I only hit about 5 in today. My serve was booming today that was really impressive. My motion is exactly like Serena's. My return of serve again I need pace, or I will run up, hit it in the net of it will sail out. When the opponent hit a first serve in, I returned deep. My volleys are OK. I need my coach back and I think I will call him back. I dont know what im going to do. Im seriously going/thinking about quitting. Since one of his prized posessions is a senior, we will see how desperate he is next year.

faboozadoo15
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:01 AM
nah, don't quit. just play for your own enjoyment. and learn how to play against little pace. try a ball machine and have it hit very slow over the net with a good amount of time in between. that way there won't be a person to get angry with and you will be able to sort things out all by yourself.

K-Dog
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:01 AM
What really pissed me off is that while practicing with a teammate, I hear coach saying that Andrew and Adrian were playing singles and I was playing doubles at regionals. I hate doubles and I hate my coach. He knows that im better than both of them, they play pity pat tennis, waiting for me to mess up. This was the last match of the season and I really didn't care because I wanted to make him mad. Anyways, I'm not playing going to be on the tennis team next year. BTW my Win-Loss record was 6-5 (horrible) 4-2 in Singles; 2-3 in Doubles. I have another question, If you fail your drug test, what happens?? Do you get kicked off an extracurricular activity indefinately untill next year??


Failing a drug test in Wisconsin (where I live) means you can't play extracurriculars for the rest of your high school career!!! I don't know the way it is in Florida, but that's the way it is here.

What year in school are you? I'm a sophomore and on varsity for a school that has boy's tennis for only two years now. This is my first year in competitive tennis, so this is all new for me. You sound tired of tennis, like you're burnt out or something. This is the way I am in volleyball. I have played since fifth grade and played three years of club volleybal, not to mention I started as a sophomore for varisty in high school. Right now I don't want to see a volleyball until the summer!!

I think you should pursue tennis if you can, but go into it with a more positive attitude and do WHATEVER it takes to win. Who cares how you win, as long as you win!! Good luck, all the best JBone!!

jbone_0307
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:07 AM
Im in Louisiana!!!

K-Dog
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:09 AM
Oh no, I dont do drugs, never have, and never will. I just want to know your schools policy because one of the players above that is playing singles is/was a huge weedhead. He failed his drug test and ONLY got a two week suspension, where I though if you failed your drug test you got kicked off the team. He obviously hasn't learned his lesson because he still smokes and say its theraputic and opens up his passageways. :rolleyes: They are more consistent against me, but I need some pace. My backhand is on when the other person is providing me with pace. Its when I have to run up and hit a backhand it will float out or in. My forehand is like NO! I think I only hit about 5 in today. My serve was booming today that was really impressive. My motion is exactly like Serena's. My return of serve again I need pace, or I will run up, hit it in the net of it will sail out. When the opponent hit a first serve in, I returned deep. My volleys are OK. I need my coach back and I think I will call him back. I dont know what im going to do. Im seriously going/thinking about quitting. Since one of his prized posessions is a senior, we will see how desperate he is next year.


I played against no pace today and I told my coach that he wasn't giving me any after I won the first set 6-3. I said that it would be too risky to go for my shots because of the wind, and the absolute no pace I was getting from my opponent today. She agreed, and told me to keep doing what I was doing. I won 6-3, 6-2 (like I said), but did nothing spectatular today. I didn't go for winners period. You don't need to hit winners to win, period. Very few HS singles matches are pieces of art, so don't get discouraged!!

What was the score today of your match? Do you play any other sports? If you do, pick the ones that are most important to you, and if you don't play any others, play tennis. Learn to love the game!!

K-Dog
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:09 AM
Im in Louisiana!!!


Sorry, I confused you with Croat!! Sorry!!

faboozadoo15
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:10 AM
me2...

jbone_0307
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:11 AM
3-8. We were only two breaks downs though in doubles. Well I got broken and aside from that one game I got broken, they only one 5 points on my serve.

jbone_0307
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:13 AM
me2...


OMG Your from Louisiana!!!!?? What city?? This is sooo kool!! Our regionals are this Monday and Tuesday in Alexandria. What school?

faboozadoo15
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:24 AM
haha no, i was saying that i confused you with croat! i'm the one who told you not to get angry with yourself since you're playing regionals in florida (isn't that the best state for high school tennis?)

i actually live in new york city... and i played high school tennis in ohio, yes ohio, where actually it was highly competitive tennis for me for 4 years.

jbone_0307
Apr 27th, 2004, 09:25 PM
Im back and we lost 3-6 5-7. We could have, should have won the 2nd set in doubles if I wouldn't have choked up on my serve. We both played great and my serve was awesome!! I had 5 aces and probably 6-7 unreturned serves, but it came with a price, alot of DF. We had just broken back in the 2nd set for a 5-all lead and it was my turn to serve, it was 30-love and I hit a DF and on the next point took some off and he smacked a winner. I served another DF and I dont remember the other point. We had to play the #6 seed and after they defeated us, they double bageled the next team. I dont know how the hell they did the draw but it was fucked up. All of it was because there were plenty of 6-0 6-0 matches in the quarters of the tournament. Im still pissed and I already told coach that I wasn't going to play next year.

jbone_0307
Apr 28th, 2004, 01:54 AM
We still had fun though :) even though I was upset after my loss

jbone_0307
Apr 29th, 2004, 12:24 AM
For some reason when I start thinking about it more, I get mad and upset more. Right after the match, I felt pretty good because we played great, but couldn't get the key points at the right time. I got really mad that he didn't let me play singles, but just kept it to myself and that my teammates got cakewalk draws. They one their 1st round matches 6-0 6-0 and 6-1 6-4, then one of them got to play a person that he had already played in regular season and the other one played this really bad dude, both of them won but struggled. I was soo happy when they got their asses kicked by the #1 and #3 seeds, but they still qualify for state, which I cant wait to hear about how bad they get beat. I went up to my coach and said that Im not playing next year and that im trying out for baseball. I dunno if I will, which I want to, but im tired of him and playing doubles.

jbone_0307
Apr 30th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Im playing better

jbone_0307
May 10th, 2004, 02:30 AM
Well It was probably one of the happiest days of my life, when I found out they got their ASSES WHOOPED AT STATE!! I found out from one of my teachers that My soo called teammates(the two who went to State), connivingly plotted behind my back and they told her that they had a plan to use against me and etc. Unfortunately for them, one is a senior and his last day tomorrow and the other, I am going to kick his ass all over the court like hes never held a racquet or touched a ball and once I get finished, I'm going to tell him "looks like you need to make revisions to your plan." I cant believe they would go that low and the coach just sees right through it and act like they can do no wrong when ones a crackhead :rolleyes: He knew that I was the better player and nobody can beat me off of the baseline, I had a better serve and movement. But this season is over and im definately looking forward to next season.

jbone_0307
May 7th, 2005, 03:20 AM
Pretty horrible season this year :( :( :sad: I basically did the same thing as last year.