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TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 07:54 PM
The 2004 Roland Garros event will begin on May 24 and with the injuries that have incurred on the tour in the last few months, the names and the order of the top favorites have been affected by those events.

Here are my choices for the top contenders as of mid April, 2004:

1. VENUS WILLIAMS: After winning her first title :dance: , the Family Circle Championship (FCC), since Feb - 2003, over a derermined and skilled Conchi of Spain, on clay no less, showing an improved serve and forehand, I will give the Goddess of Tennis the nod as the leading contender for the title at this time. VENUS may have been off the courts, but she has lost none of her competetive tenacity and she displayed those skills :boxing: to a high level in the FCC final.:woohoo:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040418/capt.chtx10704182211.family_circle_cup_chtx107.jpg

2. Justine Henin-Hardenne: Even though she is currently suffering from a viral illness, JHH is still a soild #2 choice for the RG title at this time. She has a poor head-to-head record against VENUS, but has a more competitive record against SERENA so far. Being the current #1 player has inspired players to come at her with more intensity than they did in the past and she is also under a more intense media scrutiny than ever before as well.

3. SERENA WILLIAMS: If not for a reinjured knee, I would have possibly placed the Princess of Power at the #1 contender spot :kiss: . Her re-entrance to the tour with a spectacular win at the NASDAQ-100, after nearly eight months away from the tour, was the most spectacular achievement of the year :rocker: , equalled only by her sister's recent win at the FCC event. SERENA has the best technique on the tour and is only equaled in athletic ability by her big sis and if she is healthy at the end of May, she could possibly be holding another RG trophy by May 3.:dance:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040415/capt.ny15104151919.serena_withdraws_ny151.jpg

4. Lindsay Davenport: Big Davey is a darkhorse contender, but she is in great physical condition and her already fine technique has been fine tuned by her new coach and these elements make Lindsay a definite factor at this years RG championship. Her main weakness has always been her lack of speed and footwork, but that has not hindered her from becoming a multi grand slam winner in the past.

5. Kim Clijsters: The only one of my main contenders who does not already possess a GS title and is currently recovering from a wrist injury. As long as VENUS, SERENA and JHH are in top form and uninjured, then the likelihood of Kim winning this slam or any slam title in the immediate future is somewhat dim at this time.

Other possibilities:

6. Amelie Mauresmo: If Momo has no problems with her back, she is mentally prepared, has a great draw, injuries occur to top contenders, upsets occur to top contenders, the crowd is behind her and her personal life is in order then she might have a good chance to take this title.

7. Elena Dementieva: If a TV movie is produced with the plot being a blonde, Russian athlete, with a thick accent, winning the Roland Garros title and they are unable to get Anna K. or any another blonde walking around the Santa Monica Pier area, then Elena is your girl :eek: :lol: . In reality, she has about as much chance of winning this title as Miss Kournikova. :haha:

Those are my picks.

TR :cool: Bye, bye :wavey:

sarza
Apr 19th, 2004, 07:57 PM
sorry dont agree i think that kim clijsters has as much chance as any if fully fit and im backing her all the way

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 19th, 2004, 07:58 PM
Venus the #1 contender :haha:

Don't think so.

Siyasema
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:00 PM
I think those are good picks, but good picks in no particular order.

tennisIlove09
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Venus the #1 contender :haha:

Don't think so.
Considering Serena, Justine and Kim are all injured, Davenport's poor record as of late against Venus; Mauresmo's injured/head case; Capriati's poor record against Venus...Venus is looking like the top favorite to me.

Sanneriet
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:01 PM
I think it would be this order JHH, Serena, Venus. This depends on what is actually wrong with JHH. If she actually has mono then I am not sure she will even make the second week. This is a really debilitating infection which takes several weeks (sometimes months) to really recover from.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Considering Serena, Justine and Kim are all injured, Davenport's poor record as of late against Venus; Mauresmo's injured/head case; Capriati's poor record against Venus...Venus is looking like the top favorite to me.
I gaurentee you Serena, Kim and Christine will all be ready and eager to win the French. And they'll all beat Venus as well IMO.

Good luck to Vee though, I give her a shot to win, just not the favorite.

Stefwhit
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Nice picks, but you've got their orders all scrambled up... Do you really think Venus is seriously the top contender at the French?!

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:05 PM
It's too early to talk about this right now. No one has even played on red clay which is obviously the surface that RG is on.

tennisIlove09
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I gaurentee you Serena, Kim and Christine will all be ready and eager to win the French. And they'll all beat Venus as well IMO.

Good luck to Vee though, I give her a shot to win, just not the favorite.Serena will be ready. But Kim and Justine no one knows. We've heard reports that Justine's camp is in "fear of the French". Kim is again a mystery. We've heard things that she may be out until after Wimbledon!

As for them beating Venus. The only player in that group to beat Venus in a major is Serena. Until Kim and JHH prove otherwise, Venus is the favorite in that match up--although a Venus-JHH match in Paris would be interesting, because JHH is the best clay courter in the world.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:09 PM
i'd hold back on putting venus as the #1 fav until she wins one of the red clay events... but she's definitely done more on clay so far than the others, for what thats worth.

CJ07
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Venus the #1 contender :haha:

Don't think so.
well why not?
Justine's sick, and is 1-7 anyway
Kim's hurt, and is 2-5 anyway
Serena, unfortunately is hurt, and with only 1 healthy tournament its asking a lot
Lindsay hates red clay, and has lost 9 out of the last 10 meetings or something
and no russian has made a GS final.

I think if Venus can survive through the QF, she'll win the whole thing....regardless of how the top players are doing

sartrista7
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:11 PM
As for them beating Venus. The only player in that group to beat Venus in a major is Serena. Until Kim and JHH prove otherwise, Venus is the favorite in that match up--although a Venus-JHH match in Paris would be interesting, because JHH is the best clay courter in the world.

Er, I think their record vs Venus on red clay is just slightly more relevant than their record vs Venus in majors, which is... not at all relevant. And Justine leads that 1-0.

But yes, far too early to be predicting the favourites at all, let alone their order.

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:11 PM
I gaurentee you Serena, Kim and Christine will all be ready and eager to win the French. And they'll all beat Venus as well IMO.

Good luck to Vee though, I give her a shot to win, just not the favorite.
I doubt Kim will be ready to beat Venus. Justine has a chance, but she hasn't had much luck beating Vee. Serena is the only one of those who has beaten Venus at a slam and would be favored to beat Venus again.

Kabezya
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Serena will be ready. But Kim and Justine no one knows. We've heard reports that Justine's camp is in "fear of the French". Kim is again a mystery. We've heard things that she may be out until after Wimbledon!

As for them beating Venus. The only player in that group to beat Venus in a major is Serena. Until Kim and JHH prove otherwise, Venus is the favorite in that match up--although a Venus-JHH match in Paris would be interesting, because JHH is the best clay courter in the world.


I love Venus but at best she's one of the favorites. To my knowledge neither Justine nor Kim beat Venus at last year's French Open. They didn't have to.

Venus I think is one of the favorites and her chances only keep on going up the better she plays and the more she wins. Fed Cup will be more playing time and match toughness, it all spells good things for her. One of the favorites for sure.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Venus the #1 contender :haha:

Don't think so.
You have your opinion and I have mine in this matter and it is great that we all have the freedom to do so, is it not? :p :lol:

Stefwhit
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Serena will be ready. But Kim and Justine no one knows. We've heard reports that Justine's camp is in "fear of the French". Kim is again a mystery. We've heard things that she may be out until after Wimbledon!

As for them beating Venus. The only player in that group to beat Venus in a major is Serena. Until Kim and JHH prove otherwise, Venus is the favorite in that match up--although a Venus-JHH match in Paris would be interesting, because JHH is the best clay courter in the world.
It's not like Venus has been the model of health this season in case you've forgotten. Knizzle is right, it's too early to really specualte with any kind of certainty. I think Venus is definitely a force to be reckoned with- but at this point I'd say she'd have to be a dark horse to win, not the favorite. While we're questioning Serena, Kim, and Justine, all being healthy- let's hope Venus can stay healthy as well- cuz at this point she's just as likely to be bothered by some sort of injury as the other girls who you have lower on your list...

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Er, I think their record vs Venus on red clay is just slightly more relevant than their record vs Venus in majors, which is... not at all relevant. And Justine leads that 1-0.

But yes, far too early to be predicting the favourites at all, let alone their order.
What an overwhelming record on the red clay. I don't know how Venus could ever overcome that?? :rolleyes: The record in the slams is equally as important than record on red clay.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:16 PM
I think it would be this order JHH, Serena, Venus. This depends on what is actually wrong with JHH. If she actually has mono then I am not sure she will even make the second week. This is a really debilitating infection which takes several weeks (sometimes months) to really recover from.
Your own response regarding JHH justifies my order of placement.:eek: :p

sartrista7
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:19 PM
What an overwhelming record on the red clay. I don't know how Venus could ever overcome that?? :rolleyes: The record in the slams is equally as important than record on red clay.

So if Player X has a 4-0 record over Player Y in Slams, all at Wimbledon, that's as important as Player Y's 4-0 record over Player X on clay?

For the record, I don't think either are at all relevant in this case (it's been too long since they last played, both are very different players now)... but tennis Ilove2326726868 really just pulled that statistic out of his arse.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Nice picks, but you've got their orders all scrambled up... Do you really think Venus is seriously the top contender at the French?!
The illness to JHH and the reinjury to SERENA were major factors in my sequencing of choices. :kiss:

Kabezya
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:22 PM
It's not like Venus has been the model of health this season in case you've forgotten. Knizzle is right, it's too early to really specualte with any kind of certainty. I think Venus is definitely a force to be reckoned with- but at this point I'd say she'd have to be a dark horse to win, not the favorite. While we're questioning Serena, Kim, and Justine, all being healthy- let's hope Venus can stay healthy as well- cuz at this point she's just as likely to be bothered by some sort of injury as the other girls who you have lower on your list...

Venus herself said she's not 100% - good post.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:24 PM
It's too early to talk about this right now. No one has even played on red clay which is obviously the surface that RG is on.
Too early?:confused: Roland Garros is less than five weeks away as of this post (APR-19) and that is not a lot of time, as far as tennis preparation is concerned, my friend.:p :devil:

Stefwhit
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:29 PM
The illness to JHH and the reinjury to SERENA were major factors in my sequencing of choices. :kiss:
In fairness, we can all agree her odds are better than Iva Majoli's were when she won- no doubt she's one of the favorites.... I just wouldn't say she's "THE" favorite...

I'm hopeful that all the top players will be there- with all of em' healthy and injury free... Let's see everyone at their best and after the dust settles we'll see who's left standing holding the trophy. Let's all hope for a "serene" tournament... ;)

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:32 PM
So if Player X has a 4-0 record over Player Y in Slams, all at Wimbledon, that's as important as Player Y's 4-0 record over Player X on clay?
Yes, because the experience of winning a big match at a slam will be a big factor. Player X might not like the clay, but they are less likely to falter and will know what to do in the tight situations and probably raise their whole level of play at the slams.

For the record, I don't think either are at all relevant in this case (it's been too long since they last played, both are very different players now)... but tennis Ilove2326726868 really just pulled that statistic out of his arse.
I think it's very relevant because a year is not a long time and both still play similar styles to what they did then. One may know how to beat the other, but the other may not be sure how to beat the one.

fan911
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:33 PM
TOP CONTENDERS:

1. Justine Henin-Hardenne

2. Amelie Mauresmo

3. Kim Clijsters

4. Lindsay Davenport

5. Conchita Martinez

6. Jennifer Capriati

7. Monica Seles

8. Nadia Petrova

9. Serena Williams

10. Elena Dementieva

11. Chanda Rubin

12. Ai Sugiyama

13. Anastasia Myskina

14. Vera Zvonareva

15. Paola Suarez

16. Mary Pierce

17. Venus Williams

18. Patty Schnyder

19. Slivia Farina-Elia

20. Jelena Dokic

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:34 PM
finally, someone brings up the goddess, monica.
you people do know that she's coming back, right?

jp

jenny161185
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:34 PM
i didn t think Serenas knee was badly injured I thought she just pulled out as a precaution

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:36 PM
TOP CONTENDERS:

1. Justine Henin-Hardenne

2. Amelie Mauresmo

3. Kim Clijsters

4. Lindsay Davenport

5. Conchita Martinez

6. Jennifer Capriati

7. Monica Seles

8. Nadia Petrova

9. Serena Williams

10. Elena Dementieva

11. Chanda Rubin

12. Ai Sugiyama

13. Anastasia Myskina

14. Vera Zvonareva

15. Paola Suarez

16. Mary Pierce

17. Venus Williams

18. Patty Schnyder

19. Slivia Farina-Elia

20. Jelena Dokic
You're sick.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:37 PM
You're sick.
hey now, he brought monica into the conversation...
and if you drastically reordered, it would make perfect sense. everyone is mentioned.

Stefwhit
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:40 PM
If you have a problem with TeeRexx's top contender list, after looking at what fan911 wrote- Tee's list never looked so good....

Kart
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Tee Rexx is right.

Venus is the no.1 contender for the French open as of mid April 2004.

Kim's hurt, Justine's sick (medically), Serena's hurt and Venus just won the biggest clay title of the year so far.

That might all change ... but it might not.

Anyway, as Conchita Martinez, Kim Clijsters and Amelie Mauresmo can tell you, being the no.1 contender doesn't mean you're going to win it ...

sartrista7
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Yes, because the experience of winning a big match at a slam will be a big factor. Player X might not like the clay, but they are less likely to falter and will know what to do in the tight situations and probably raise their whole level of play at the slams.

Depends on the players involved, and how they cope with big matches, nerves and such. If Player Y had Amelie's mentality, I'd agree with you. However, in this specific case, I think both Vee and Justine have proven themselves to be fabulous big match players; together with Serena, those are the three players who are less likely to falter, will know what to do in tight situations, will raise their level at Slams etc.

I think it's very relevant because a year is not a long time and both still play similar styles to what they did then. One may know how to beat the other, but the other may not be sure how to beat the one.

In tennis, a year is a long time. A year ago, Maria Sharapova was still playing Challengers. A year ago, Alexandra Stevenson was top 30. Yes, both Vee and Justine play much the same style as they've played throughout their careers... but every week, every day, they've been tweaking it and adjusting little things gradually. At Charleston alone, we've been reading about Vee's willingness to come into the net more.

spencercarlos
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Too early?:confused: Roland Garros is less than five weeks away as of this post (APR-19) and that is not a lot of time, as far as tennis preparation is concerned, my friend.:p :devil:
More than a month is still a lot of time, there will be two mor Tier I events in the upcoming weeks, right now at this point there is no a clear contender for Roland Garros, not even Venus or Lindsay Davenport who won the first tune up events on green clay.
Lindsay does not have the movement to win against the top players on clay.
Venus just won her first title in 14 months, first Tier I even since 3 years ago, clearly not the player i would pick to win her first Slam on her least favorite surface.
Serena and Venus still have a long way to go, yes they have won Tier I events this year, an honorable mention to Serena who won on her first tournament back, unlike Venus who has played some events and has lost earlier than expected, but considering the depleted fields on both tournaments won, still ět`s too early i think to pick them as favorites for the french.

Henin must be back in two weeks, Kim played yesterday against Leyton (was that true?) and Serena is not inured, she just simply took medication`s advice of not playing that many straight weeks after such a long lay off. I doubt this players will be withdrawing from RG any time soon, as i said is still too early. Let`s see what this second leg of warm up (RED CLAY) events brings up.

SJW
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:46 PM
it's 19th April...FO starts at the end of may...while you guys are at it, you wanna do top contenders for Wimbledon too?

joao
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:48 PM
No offense but picking Venus, JHH, Serena, Kim, Davenport and Mauresmo to win at RG is pretty safe no? Whoelse could even make a GS final right now besides those 6? maybe Capriati but she's in pretty bad form right now ... I think anyone with common sense would pick them ...

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:49 PM
it's 19th April...FO starts at the end of may...while you guys are at it, you wanna do top contenders for Wimbledon too?
yes, absolutely
1 seles
2 lucic
3 anna k

SJW
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:50 PM
yes, absolutely
1 seles
2 lucic
3 anna k
no you got it wrong

seriously, you heard it here first, Monica will win Roland Garros this year.

i've told fried_beans already her comeback is gonna be awesome

Kart
Apr 19th, 2004, 08:54 PM
yes, absolutely
1 seles
2 lucic
3 anna k
I agree about Monica :hearts:, but I'd put Alexandra Stevenson at no.2 behind her :tape:.

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Tee Rexx is right.

Venus is the no.1 contender for the French open as of mid April 2004.

Kim's hurt, Justine's sick (medically), Serena's hurt and Venus just won the biggest clay title of the year so far.

That might all change ... but it might not.

Anyway, as Conchita Martinez, Kim Clijsters and Amelie Mauresmo can tell you, being the no.1 contender doesn't mean you're going to win it ...
You bring up a very good point about the favorites. It will be fun to illustrate it.

Here goes:

1999 clay titles Tier 2 and higher

Hilton Head: Martina Hingis def Kournikova
Amelia Island: Monica Seles def Dragomir Ilie(Seles lost only 14 games)
Hamburg: Venus Williams def Mary Pierce(Venus lost only 18 games)
Rome: Venus Williams def Mary Pierce(beat Hingis along the way)
Berlin: Martina Hingis def Halard-Decugis

Top favorites going into RG 99 were obviously Hingis and Venus, with Seles and Pierce also making some noise.

Now let's see how they did in RG:

Pierce: seeded 8th, lost to Conchita Martinez in 2nd rd in 3 sets
Seles: seeded 3rd, lost to Graf in SF in 3 sets
Venus: seeded 5th, lost to Barbara Schwartz in 4th rd in 3 sets
Hingis: seeded 1st, lost to Graf in F

Hingis was one of the top favorites and fulfilled that by making the Final while the other top favorite Venus lost in the 4th. The 3rd fave Seles made it to the SF and did well, but Graf played the spoiler for the whole tourney beating Seles and Hingis. Pierce lost to a good clay courter in Conchita. So in 99 the favorites did good, but not great.

I will follow with 2000-2003 in separate installments.

Nan Cu
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Anyway, as Conchita Martinez, Kim Clijsters and Amelie Mauresmo can tell you, being the no.1 contender doesn't mean you're going to win it ...
Venus herself knows this from back in 1999.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:29 PM
well why not?
Justine's sick, and is 1-7 anyway
Kim's hurt, and is 2-5 anyway
Serena, unfortunately is hurt, and with only 1 healthy tournament its asking a lot
Lindsay hates red clay, and has lost 9 out of the last 10 meetings or something
and no russian has made a GS final.

I think if Venus can survive through the QF, she'll win the whole thing....regardless of how the top players are doing
Thank you for breaking down my original post for those members who struggle comprehending mildly complex explainations and arguments. :eek: :lol:

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:34 PM
Venus herself knows this from back in 1999.
I am sorry that your reading comprehension is so very low, Cu, because I stated in my opening post that this were MY post based on MY opinions about what I perceived to be a good choice for top contenders. I am NOT Nostradaumus and cannot predict the future. :mad: :lol:

Although, I may be correct in this case. :p :devil:

fan911
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Venus (this past year) has lost to players like Dementieva, Raymond, Kuznetsova. And even with her tournament win last week, the toughest opponents she faced were Zvonareva and an old Martinez. :rolleyes: That saids NOTHING about her form. Talk about an overrated tournament win.

The bottom line is, Venus has been STRUGGLING for a long time now. Her win last week was more based on an extremely lucky draw then anything else. Her form this year hasn't been that great, she will have to improve a LOT to compete with the REAL top players.

TeeRexx
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:38 PM
it's 19th April...FO starts at the end of may...while you guys are at it, you wanna do top contenders for Wimbledon too?
Yeah, I will do my Wimbey post next week, pal. :p :devil:

Pureracket
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:39 PM
Venus (this past year) has lost to players like Dementieva, Raymond, Kuznetsova. And even with her tournament win last week, the toughest opponents she faced were Zvonareva and an old Martinez. :rolleyes: That saids NOTHING about her form. Talk about an overrated tournament win.

The bottom line is, Venus has been STRUGGLING for a long time now. Her win last week was more based on an extremely lucky draw then anything else. Her form this year hasn't been that great, she will have to improve a LOT to compete with the REAL top players.Though I disagree with you, I was beginning to think that you were incapable of posting intelligent, logical posts. Now, I least you're a vulture who has some sense. Most people who stalk the Sisters with negative posts don't. You're different, though.:)

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:42 PM
Here goes 2000:

Amelia: Seles def C. Martinez (Seles didn't drop a set, CM didn't until the final)
Hilton Head: Pierce def Vicario(Mary lost 12 games and beat Seles in SF)
Hamburg: Hingis def Vicario
Berlin: C. Martinez def Coetzer(CM didn't drop a set, beat Hingis in SF)
Rome: Seles def Mauresmo

Top favorites here were Seles, C.Martinez, and Pierce. Hingis and Vicario are outside faves.

Let's see how they did:

Hingis: seeded #1 lost in SF in 3 sets to Pierce
Vicario: seeded #8 lost in SF in 2 sets to C. Martinez
Pierce: seeded #6 won RG def C. Martinez in final in 2 sets
C. Martinez: seeded #5 lost in F to Pierce in 2 sets
Seles: seeded # 3 lost in QF to Pierce in 3 sets

Well in 2000 those who were called favorites leading into RG were indeed the top 5 performers in the tourney. They only lost to each other and 4 of them were in the semis. I wasn't sure I would come across a RG were all the faves did basically as well as they could and fulfilled their status as a favorite. I wonder if this is a rare occurence in RG or slams in general.

2001 to follow soon.

fan911
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:42 PM
Though I disagree with you, I was beginning to think that you were incapable of posting intelligent, logical posts. Now, I least you're a vulture who has some sense. Most people who stalk the Sisters with negative posts don't. You're different, though.:)

Thanks :) Btw, I don't dislike the Williams. I just sometimes have fun with their fans ;) but it's always in fun and non-serious.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:46 PM
Venus (this past year) has lost to players like Dementieva, Raymond, Kuznetsova. And even with her tournament win last week, the toughest opponents she faced were Zvonareva and an old Martinez. :rolleyes: That saids NOTHING about her form. Talk about an overrated tournament win.

The bottom line is, Venus has been STRUGGLING for a long time now. Her win last week was more based on an extremely lucky draw then anything else. Her form this year hasn't been that great, she will have to improve a LOT to compete with the REAL top players.
i disagree with you. vera and martinez are very tough on clay, and you can only beat who's in front of you. martinez showed she was the best player from her side of the draw, and she had a fantastic week into the final against venus. it's not always about the name of the player.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:49 PM
damn knizzle, why do u have to rehash those hurtful monica rg performances??? lol
anyway, graf and pierce had to play out of their minds to beat her those years....

Mr_Molik
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:50 PM
elena d a contender :haha:

Spunky83
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:54 PM
I wouldn´t put my money on Venus. She played a good tournament in Charleston but she is definetly far away from her former performances. The tournaments she played in this year before Charleston weren´t that of a great success.

I´m going for Justine, pretty sure that she will be back on track next month. We saw how she plays while being ill, that match against Amelie in Amelia Island was great, though she was getting tired in the third set. She should be fully recovered by then, she has the best chances to defend her title.

Kim doesn´t have a shot, I just don´t see her winning a grand slam, though I really love her as a player. Serena is also a top favourite, IF she´s ok. It´s going to be pretty interesting, hope that all players can attend the French.

DeDe4925
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:54 PM
The illness to JHH and the reinjury to SERENA were major factors in my sequencing of choices. :kiss:
Correction...Serena is not reinjured. She's resting.

AjdeNate!
Apr 19th, 2004, 09:56 PM
So nobody thinks a surprise upstart will cause some noise and beat some of the top contenders? Or a rejuvenated and hungry veteran?

I do. I'm hoping for a battle of the ages, young vs. 'old', new vs. veteran.

croat123
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:01 PM
So nobody thinks a surprise upstart will cause some noise and beat some of the top contenders? Or a rejuvenated and hungry veteran?

I do. I'm hoping for a battle of the ages, young vs. 'old', new vs. veteran.
something (probably my heart) tells me a young upstart and a lefty with a two handed forehand are going to play in the finals :angel:

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:05 PM
Or a rejuvenated and hungry veteran?

I do. I'm hoping for a battle of the ages, young vs. 'old', new vs. veteran.
maybe even a hungARIAN veteran.
sure, i love young vs old


btw, it's not only bc monica is older than everyone she plays...


i can't spell hungarian :lmao: :lol:

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:07 PM
My REASONABLY PLACED list of top Roland Garros contendors:

1.) Serena Williams- She has the motivation to regain her title, but VENUS has a shot and more than enough ability and determination to avenge her result at the '02 Final (Venus lost in straight sets)

2.) Venus Williams- After winning Charleston and silencing her..."Venus is washed up," contenders and winning the fourth Tier I tourney of the year (Tokyo-Davenport, Indian Wells-Henin Hardenne, Miami-SERENA), she has a HUGE chance to win this title, however, the true test will come next week when she plays J&S Cup. If she can win that title or at least make it to the finals (and if she plays Germany, make it to the final or win), then they had better clear out a space in the Venus and Serena trophy cabinet for a winner's trophy...and a runner's up trophy (yeah I do think Roland Garros will be an All-Williams Final...what Williams fan doesn't?)

3.) Amčlie Mauresmo- She beat Henin in Amelia and would have spoiled Justine's chances at two consecutive GS titles, if her back didn't act up. In fact, she has a great chance to move extremely far in the draw, if she can stay healthy.

4.) Justine Henin-Hardenne- She, second to Serena, is the mentally strongest woman on tour, and her initially scrappy style of play helped her win her first major in Paris. But recently, she's adapted a Williams-esque hardcourt game that could do her more harm than good. If she gets the typical #1 seed 'cakewalk' draw, expect her to make it easily into the second week, but she may run into trouble when she, unless otherwise helped by the upset god, faces top 10 seeds. She may make a fairly successful second run at the roses...untill she runs into one of the three ladies listed above her.

Other Top Contenders:
Davenport
Clijsters
Petrova
Martinez
Schnyder
Sprem

Pureracket
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:09 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that the FO(=) trophy is going to be spending the next year in the City of Compton.:)

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:19 PM
i'll order mine
(i'll wait to see how monica does in strasbourg before i "place" her)
1 JHH still the best on clay, imo.
2 venus- showed us this week what she's made of FINALLY
3 serena- should be okay, just resting. but if her body failed her against petrova, im not really getting the sense that she should be placed higher than venus or the defending champ, but a lot can change
4 amelie- she can't put 7 matches ina row, but perhaps things can change.
5 davenport- she would have to play like she did in amelia island 3 or 4 times in a row given that she doesn't lose early.
6 clijsters- if shes healthy, she may BE the fav. imo, she's better than venus can be on the red stuff, and juju and serena may not be up to it.
7 conchita- crazy as it sounds, she likes the red even more than the green and may just find herself deep in the tournament, playing a fav, and frustrating the hell out of them.
8 sprem- has the heart and the goods (lacks THE go to weapon). she really shoed some steeel against serena on a hardcourt and could really go deep.

others
patty- who the hell knows???
petrova- she's doing well, but i predict a complete let down and drop in the rankings.
elena- she'd really need to be on, stay away from conflict, and lower the df's.
paola- made the qfs before and this time she'll enjoy a good seed.
monica- she would be playing with nothing tto lose and from the past, we all know what that looks like :eek:

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:20 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that the FO(=) trophy is going to be spending the next year in the City of Compton.:)
yeah, but how is someone going to steal it from monica? she's got so much security...

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Alright, let's move on to 2001:

Amelia: Mauresmo def Coetzer
Charleston: Capriati def Hingis
Hamburg: Venus def Shaughnessy
Berlin: Mauresmo def Capriati
Rome: Dokic def Mauresmo

Mauresmo and Capriati are obviously the top faves here. Outside faves were Venus and Dokic(yes Dokic). I think Hingis should be thrown in too although she didn't win a title she did pretty well and was #1.

Let's see how they did:

Hingis: seeded #1, lost in SF to Capriati in 2 sets
Dokic: seeded #15, lost 3rd round to Mandula in 3 sets
Venus: seeded #2, lost 1st round to Schett in 2 sets
Capriati: seeded #4, won RG over Clijsters in 3 sets
Mauresmo: seeded #5 lost 1st round to Kandarr in 2 sets

This year, one of the top faves(Capriati) won the title, but the other crashed out in the first round. Hingis was the best of the outside faves making the SF, but Venus and Dokic disappointed with their 1st and 3rd round losses, respectively.

2002 is next.

Pureracket
Apr 19th, 2004, 10:25 PM
yeah, but how is someone going to steal it from monica? she's got so much security...Good one.;)

K-Dog
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:02 PM
The winner of Charelston in 3 of the last 4 years has won Roland Garros. Pierce did it in 00', Jennifer did it in 01', and Justine did it in 03'. Maybe this will be the same for Venus.

Kart
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:14 PM
Alright, let's move on to 2001:

Amelia: Mauresmo def Coetzer
Charleston: Capriati def Hingis
Hamburg: Venus def Shaughnessy
Berlin: Mauresmo def Capriati
Rome: Dokic def Mauresmo

Mauresmo and Capriati are obviously the top faves here. Outside faves were Venus and Dokic(yes Dokic). I think Hingis should be thrown in too although she didn't win a title she did pretty well and was #1.

Let's see how they did:

Hingis: seeded #1, lost in SF to Capriati in 2 sets
Dokic: seeded #15, lost 3rd round to Mandula in 3 sets
Venus: seeded #2, lost 1st round to Schett in 2 sets
Capriati: seeded #4, won RG over Clijsters in 3 sets
Mauresmo: seeded #5 lost 1st round to Kandarr in 2 sets

This year, one of the top faves(Capriati) won the title, but the other crashed out in the first round. Hingis was the best of the outside faves making the SF, but Venus and Dokic disappointed with their 1st and 3rd round losses, respectively.

2002 is next.
I think Amelie was an overwhelming favourite that year - she'd not only won Amelia island, Berlin, been runner up in Rome (frankly she was thrashed there but what do toy expect when you play so many matches) but she'd won her last two titles entering the clay season. She'd scored two wins over Martina on clay and a win over JenCap, her loss in the first round would have been one of the biggest shocks of the year ... had it not been for Venus' defeat :eek:.

fammmmedspin
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Most of the top ten are either sick, recovering or returning in unknown shape. I can't remember Lindsays's last victory over a top 10 player in 2004 but I don't think Venus has beaten one since the W 2003 SF? Looks like there is no favourite - till we actually see the injured ones play.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:32 PM
Most of the top ten are either sick, recovering or returning in unknown shape. I can't remember Lindsays's last victory over a top 10 player in 2004 but I don't think Venus has beaten one since the W 2003 SF? Looks like there is no favourite - till we actually see the injured ones play.
lindsay beat amelie a week ago...

ace4lleykim
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:34 PM
sorry dont agree i think that kim clijsters has as much chance as any if fully fit and im backing her all the way

Right behind your back. :yeah: If her wrist healed before the RG, I think she will have as much chance as any others. :yeah:

ace4lleykim
Apr 19th, 2004, 11:37 PM
Kim played yesterday against Leyton (was that true?)

Yes, they played yesterday! :hearts:

sarza
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:26 AM
Right behind your back. :yeah: If her wrist healed before the RG, I think she will have as much chance as any others. :yeah:

great i thought i was the only one who can actually see kim getting this :bounce:

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:45 AM
Posted by spencer:

"More than a month is still a lot of time, there will be two mor Tier I events in the upcoming weeks, right now at this point there is no a clear contender :confused: for Roland Garros, not even Venus or Lindsay Davenport who won the first tune up events on green clay."
==================

No clear contender?? I think that all of my listings are all pretty clear contenders for the RG title. :lol:

Some of you have been sleep during word definitions in grade school language class.:lol: :devil:

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Some of you have been sleep during word definitions in grade school language class.:lol: :devil:
as others missed out on the grammar lessons :rolleyes:

AjdeNate!
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:50 AM
something (probably my heart) tells me a young upstart and a lefty with a two handed forehand are going to play in the finals :angel:
I'd be the happiest person on the planet EVER if that really happened. I could die at the end of the match a truly complete and happy person.

:p ;) :lol:

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 12:53 AM
I'd be the happiest person on the planet EVER if that really happened. I could die at the end of the match a truly complete and happy person.

:p ;) :lol:
lol, really??? even without a wimbledon or an olympics :confused:

:haha:

vettipooh
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:09 AM
No Myskina as a top 5 contender? Just curious.

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:37 AM
No Myskina as a top 5 contender? Just curious.
woah, completely forgot her...
maybe even if i don't have her in my top 5, she should definitely be mentioned.

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:45 AM
Posted by spencer:

"More than a month is still a lot of time, there will be two mor Tier I events in the upcoming weeks, right now at this point there is no a clear contender :confused: for Roland Garros, not even Venus or Lindsay Davenport who won the first tune up events on green clay."
==================

No clear contender?? I think that all of my listings are all pretty clear contenders for the RG title. :lol:

Some of you have been sleep during word definitions in grade school language class.:lol: :devil:
Well i don`t care if you don`t "understand" or you are trying to be the "miss"-understood. Anyway what i tried to mean is that neither Lindsay Davenport or Venus Williams who both recently won tournaments on green clay ARE NOT (at least for me) HEAVY favorites to win Roland Garros 2004.

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Posted by spencer:

"More than a month is still a lot of time, there will be two mor Tier I events in the upcoming weeks, right now at this point there is no a clear contender :confused: for Roland Garros, not even Venus or Lindsay Davenport who won the first tune up events on green clay."
==================

No clear contender?? I think that all of my listings are all pretty clear contenders for the RG title. :lol:

Some of you have been sleep during word definitions in grade school language class.:lol: :devil:
Forgot to say that when you are picking Venus Williams as the TOP favorite for Roland Garros based on last week´s performance, you are BASICALLY DREAMING. :wavey:

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:54 AM
well he did say "as of now" in case u didn't catch that. and from what we've seen and who we've seen, she's been the best on clay in a lot of peoples opinions. does that mean she'll win the french open? proabably not/maybe not/maybe/who knows. it's about now, and so many people haven't shown what they're workin with.

Knizzle
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:59 AM
Onward to 2002:

Amelia: Venus def Justine
Charleston: Majoli def Schnyder
Hamburg: Clijsters def Venus
Berlin: Justine def Serena(beat Capriati in SF)
Rome: Serena def Justine(beat Capriati in SF)

Top favorites in 2002 were Justine and Serena, followed Capriati, Venus and Clijsters. Majoli won Charleston, but really wasn't a fave going into the French.

How did they do??:

Clijsters: seeded #4, lost in the 3rd round to C. Fernandez in 2 sets
Venus: seeded #2, lost in the final to Serena in 2 sets
Capriati: seeded #1, lost in the semis to Serena in 3 sets
Serena: seeded #3, won RG beating Venus in the final in 2 sets
Justine: seeded #5, lost in the 1st rd to Kapros in 3 sets

Coincidentally, the top favorites this year were seeded 1-5 going in. Justine was sick so her loss is somewhat excused. Clijsters, we would find out later, was beginning a bit of a slump. The other three favorites all did well, they were the top 3 in the world and had won 8 out of the last 10 slams. One of the two top faves prevailed(Serena). This year the faves were very successful.

We'll finish up with 2003.

AjdeNate!
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:00 AM
lol, really??? even without a wimbledon or an olympics :confused:

:haha:

Yes definitely without Wimbly or the Olympies. ;)
:lol:

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:00 AM
Mauresmo, Henin, Clijsters, Serena, Martinez.

faboozadoo15
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:00 AM
wasn't madrid a tier 2 when monica won it in 2002, making her one of the outsiders? ;)

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:01 AM
well he did say "as of now" in case u didn't catch that. and from what we've seen and who we've seen, she's been the best on clay in a lot of peoples opinions. does that mean she'll win the french open? proabably not/maybe not/maybe/who knows. it's about now, and so many people haven't shown what they're workin with.
who?

Knizzle
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:02 AM
wasn't madrid a tier 2 when monica won it in 2002, making her one of the outsiders? ;)
You know I thought about that, but I wasn't sure. She was playing well then before losing to Venus in the FO QF.

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:03 AM
wasn't madrid a tier 2 when monica won it in 2002, making her one of the outsiders? ;)
No... Madrid`s event have been a Tier III pretty much since 1995 or 96 edition

Conchi Party
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:12 AM
I think we do have to wait until at least Berlin or Rome to have a clearer picture.

Unfortunately other than Monica, I don't see anyone outside the top 20 having a chance.

Here's my analysis : CONTENDER, OUTSIDER, DANGEROUS FLOATER, NON THREAT in that order....

1. JHH I think is actually vulnerable. Then again th slower court suits her game. CONTENDER

2. Kim Clijsters...isn't mentally tough enough yet. Also recovering for injury...still its Kim C...so CONTENDER

3. Amelie Mauresmo is a good solid player, but doesn't do so well under pressure....still she has been playing well....CONTENDER

4. Lindsay Davenport...I don't see it personally, and I like Lindsay. Her game does not suit clay, especially red clay. She'll go deep base upon her strong skills, but not deep enough....OUTSIDER

5. Myskina...not an exceptional player, she's a good all-rounder...but I figure out early....NO THREAT

6. Petrova....definitely not a threat, the girl can be brilliant at outmuscling power players but lacks finesse...this is important at RG....NO THREAT...

7. Serena Williams....always a threat no matter where. She seems mostly physically there, mentally not bad...but not in peak form...Rome and Berlin will tel the tale.....CONTENDER

8. J Capriati....not gonna happen, she's in some pretty bad shape....NO THREAT

9 Dementieva....she's almost as bad as Capriati....NO THREAT

10. Sugiyama....where has all the magic gone? Not on Clay....DANGEROUS FLOATER

11. Zvonereva....decent shape, can be really effective when she wants to....no where near 7 wins though....DANGEROUS FLOATER...

12. Rubin too injured, come back at Wimbledon...:) NO THREAT

13. Venus Williams....In good form, her new technique makes her a real threat, look for her at least in the SF....CONTENDER

14. Kuznetsova....How many friggin russians are there...sheesh...she's the best of the bunch on this surface, but not experienced enough, and unproven....DANGEROUS FLOATER

15. Suarez.....she's good...never will be good enough to win a slam though (has she even won a TIER I?) consistent, but beatable on all services....NON THREAT

16. Farina-Elia...I adore veterans, just not this one. I don't see the talent or skills neccesary to make a 5-0 run, let alone 7-0....sorry she's out early....NON THREAT

17. Patti Schynder - despite the fact that I think she's nuts and rude, she is talented there is no doubt...she will be a pain in the arse of someone, and may go deep, but doesn't have the patience to go with her clay court game...DANGEROUS FLOATER

18. Conchita Martinez - Good form, needs to beef up her forehand for a chance at a run for the FO..it really depends on her draw though...if she gets a tough opener then she won't make it......CONTENDER

19. Dokic - So much talent, such good skills, so little concentration....she's toast...NON-THREAT

20.Anna Smashnova - hmm...nope...NON THREAT...

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:42 AM
5. Myskina...not an exceptional player, she's a good all-rounder...but I figure out early....NO THREAT

Interesting Myskina has a title and a 16-5 record for the year does not seems to be a threat.
While....

18. Conchita Martinez - Good form, needs to beef up her forehand for a chance at a run for the FO..it really depends on her draw though...if she gets a tough opener then she won't make it......CONTENDER
Martinez who just reached a Tier I final yes, but her best wins on that event were against Petrova and Schnyder, has a 13-8 record for the year, and has not won a tournament of any kind for almost 4 years, is in "good FORM" and becomes a "CONTENDER" for the title, ok dream :lol:, i would put Conchita as a Dangerous Floater category at most.

CanadianGuy
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Amelie Mauresmo, just because I hope she can get one this year. She's not getting younger or better:)

tennnisfannn
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Realistically, since Rg is only 5 weeks away the contenders depend alot on who is healthy. It was the same in the lst two slams, injuries made it easier for the contenders. Injuries clear a path even for the potential semi finalists to be finalists and even winners.
As of right now venus and Lindsay seem the healthiest, Serena seems cautious injury wise, Kim we won't know till she starts playing (when venus had wrist tendonitis in 2000, she was out for 6 months) Justine could be strong by RG and survive but it all depends on how well she recovers and how much she is able to prepare, can you imagine her not fully recovered against a serena, she would be worn off coz she has to fight every point. In Amelie Island she was taking twice as long to win matches and that could take a toil on her esp if she has to play 7 matches.
My worry is Amelie coz of her injury at the AO, she tore a muscel and those take time to heal, Venus did the same at warsaw able to play the french a few weeks later but was troubled and still troubled at wimbledon.
Personally I don't see a surprise winner altogether, hardly ever happens on the WTA. It will be one who already won a slam before. I know there is everyone always had a first time but the first timers already have some claim in finals, in this case kim and Amelie. i don't see myskina here, never been past the QF and is also still injured herself.
Lindsay and Venus looking good already and before anyone questions who they beat esp. Venus to get the title, they could be the same ones they have to beat to make the finals.
At the AO, Kim had to beat Myskina, patty to make the finals, Justine bt lindsay, fabiola to get there.
It is getting increasingly difficult for anyone to have to play three top5 players to get to the finals coz all are injured, sick or in recovery mode and hence all prone to upsets.

Rothes
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:18 AM
Casanova, Gagliardi, Schnyder and Mikaelian will all get into the Semi Final postions.

LucasArg
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:25 AM
TOP CONTENDERS:

1. Justine Henin-Hardenne

2. Amelie Mauresmo

3. Kim Clijsters

4. Lindsay Davenport

5. Conchita Martinez

6. Jennifer Capriati

7. Monica Seles

8. Nadia Petrova

9. Serena Williams

10. Elena Dementieva

11. Chanda Rubin

12. Ai Sugiyama

13. Anastasia Myskina

14. Vera Zvonareva

15. Paola Suarez

16. Mary Pierce

17. Venus Williams

18. Patty Schnyder

19. Slivia Farina-Elia

20. Jelena Dokic
This is the most hilarious prediction:lol: Are you feelin' ok?:tape:

vs1
Apr 20th, 2004, 05:36 AM
One can never tell what will happen in tournaments, but my money goes behind:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Kim

COME ON GIRL!!! :bounce:

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 06:53 AM
Well i don`t care if you don`t "understand" or you are trying to be the "miss"-understood. Anyway what i tried to mean is that neither Lindsay Davenport or Venus Williams who both recently won tournaments on green clay ARE NOT (at least for me) HEAVY favorites to win Roland Garros 2004.
Maybe you will "understand" this, those picks were my opinins and based on my estimations that produced a list of my favorites as top contenders, not heavy favorites, just my favorites, Got it now, buddy? :eek: :lol:

Bye, bye. :wavey:

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Maybe you will "understand" this, those picks were my opinins and based on my estimations that produced a list of my favorites as top contenders, not heavy favorites, just my favorites, Got it now, buddy? :eek: :lol:

Bye, bye. :wavey:
OK TeeRexx if saying this is my "BIASED list of contenders" well is the way to aswer, ok whatever, then it has no point to start to argue you or stabish a conversation.

:wavey:

Smackie
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:29 AM
If JHH, Serena and Kim are healthy and ready (which we don't know as yet and have serious doubt about), they, along with Venus are the top contenders. With them four, it's more of their presence, however, the closer it gets to the final, the less of Kim's threat it seems to others. So I will have to put them in order this way (again, providing that they are all fit):

1) Justine (Slide, slide!!!)
2) Venus (for her, FCC should boost her confidence sky high)
2) Serena (because at presence, she is still lack of the fluency she possessed before the surgery but still with a good chance)
3) Kim (still the 'final' huddle is sky high)

However, as no one knows how the recoveries will go and who might play whom, Venus indeed would win if they were to play for the title now. Even if she plays against Serena in RG in the final, I think Venus would have a good chance this time round.

It would be a good match if either Serena or Venus plays Justine, it may not be an eye-opening match but exciting nevertheless.

Other contenders:

Amelie (if no top players back to back in semis/final...which is never the case but she could do it)
Lindsay (Still clay is not her best territory, if it's USOpen instead of RG that's coming up, I might put her right at the top)
Nadia (you never know what damage she could cause, esp on clay)

Others that will be here and there:
Elena D (Has she recovered from the trauma.....will she? and on clay?)
Patty (unless Conchita is on her way)
Vera (good clay court player but can't see her in the final unless all top ten are out)
Petra (has improved significantly and is still improving)
Conchita (very consistent but can't see her winning a RG again....)

That would be my list for 1/8 and up.

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:01 PM
OK TeeRexx if saying this is my "BIASED list of contenders" well is the way to aswer, ok whatever, then it has no point to start to argue you or stabish a conversation.

:wavey:
This thread may not be biased, but it is my analytical opinion and this was clearly stated in the very first post of this thread.:p An average reader would have noticed that fact.:eek: :lol:

Bye.:wavey:

AjdeNate!
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:06 PM
The only name you'll need to know:

Karolina Šprem

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:20 PM
The only name you'll need to know:

Karolina Šprem
Why? Is she going to open a "Sprem" bank or something? :eek: :lol:
When the do her stats are they going to give you the Sprem count? :eek: :devil: Will a Spremacide be the only way to stop her? :lol:

:wavey:

fan911
Apr 20th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Why? Is she going to open a "Sprem" bank or something? :eek: :lol:
When the do her stats are they going to give you the Sprem count? :eek: :devil: Will a Spremacide be the only way to stop her? :lol:

:wavey:

:wavey: :rolleyes:

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:29 PM
This thread may not be biased, but it is my analytical opinion and this was clearly stated in the very first post of this thread.:p An average reader would have noticed that fact.:eek: :lol:

Bye.:wavey:
THEN AGAIN... It`s ok when you pick Venus as the favorite to win the French, based on your biases and fan`s hearth, but If your "analitical" opinion tells you that Venus is the number one favorite to win Roland Garros 2004, then your analitical skills are the ones BELOW the AVERAGE :lol:.

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:36 PM
THEN AGAIN... It`s ok when you pick Venus as the favorite to win the French, based on your biases and fan`s hearth, but If your "analitical" opinion tells you that Venus is the number one favorite to win Roland Garros 2004, then your analitical skills are the ones BELOW the AVERAGE :lol:.
Once again, your below average reading skills have come into play because, as I stated originally, "as of mid-April".
Does that ring a bell in your little head? :eek: :p :lol:

Bye, bye.:wavey: :devil:

CanadianGuy
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:43 PM
Once again, your below average reading skills have come into play because, as I stated originally, "as of mid-April".
Does that ring a bell in your little head? :eek: :p :lol:

Bye, bye.:wavey: :devil:
:) did Iva get anywhere close to Roland Garros center courts 2 years ago?
It's quite often people get the illusions of their favrouites being the #1 player in the world who just won a title. Obviously people are making meaningless threads for Venus recently forgetting there is already a whole forum dedicated to her, not to mention a big historical thread. They can't possibly be that stupid:).

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:52 PM
:) did Iva get anywhere close to Roland Garros center courts 2 years ago?
It's quite often people get the illusions of their favrouites being the #1 player in the world who just won a title. Obviously people are making meaningless threads for Venus recently forgetting there is already a whole forum dedicated to her, not to mention a big historical thread. They can't possibly be that stupid:).Uh, I do not believe the title of this thread mentions VENUS' name at all.:confused: It gives one person's reasons for top contenders for the RG title based on performances and physical conditions of players as of mid-April.

Some people can not possibly be that stupid as to not notice that simple fact. :eek: :lol: :kiss:

SJW
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:53 PM
i will never bet against Serena, not in a grand slam so if i had to place money on it right now? that's where it would go

CanadianGuy
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Uh, I do not believe the title of this thread mentions VENUS' name at all.:confused: It gives one person's reasons for top contenders for the RG title based on performances and physical conditions of players as of mid-April.

Some people can not possibly be that stupid as to not notice that simple fact. :eek: :lol: :kiss:
lol, dont fool yourself, everyone in this board knows who you worship:)
If you want me to make a predication. I can tell you Justine is a contender. But rather, i just want to say Venus WILL NEVER WIN FRENCH OPEN. Not that I dont like Venus or anything. I just dont like you:)

Pureracket
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Uh, I do not believe the title of this thread mentions VENUS' name at all.:confused: It gives one person's reasons for top contenders for the RG title based on performances and physical conditions of players as of mid-April.

Some people can not possibly be that stupid as to not notice that simple fact. :eek: :lol: :kiss:LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

spencercarlos
Apr 20th, 2004, 02:58 PM
:) did Iva get anywhere close to Roland Garros center courts 2 years ago?
It's quite often people get the illusions of their favrouites being the #1 player in the world who just won a title. Obviously people are making meaningless threads for Venus recently forgetting there is already a whole forum dedicated to her, not to mention a big historical thread. They can't possibly be that stupid:).
Yes i agree, last week it was Davenport the one favored to get far in Roland Garros, this week`s turn gets to Venus.

Im not saying Venus is NOT CAPABLE of winning Roland Garros, but form wise and even if you look at her last 3 years results you`ll figure out why last week she just won her First Tier I event for so long and why also she has not won a grand slam since Usopen 01. A little bit unfair for a player who has been in 5 grand slam finals during this period, but still the results are there and she has not won the big events and that`s a fact.

TeeRexx, i may have a little head, but a smarter one than yours big head full of crap :p :devil:

:wavey: This time for real

AjdeNate!
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Will a Spremacide be the only way to stop her? In a roundabout way, yes.

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Yes i agree, last week it was Davenport the one favored to get far in Roland Garros, this week`s turn gets to Venus.

Im not saying Venus is NOT CAPABLE of winning Roland Garros, but form wise and even if you look at her last 3 years results you`ll figure out why last week she just won her First Tier I event for so long and why also she has not won a grand slam since Usopen 01. A little bit unfair for a player who has been in 5 grand slam finals during this period, but still the results are there and she has not won the big events and that`s a fact.

TeeRexx, i may have a little head, but a smarter one than yours big head full of crap :p :devil:

:wavey: This time for real
You are not forgetting that VENUS lost the 5 slam finals to the same person now did you? :confused: It does make somewhat of a difference than losing to a different player each time. It shows the dominance ot two players as they eleminated all the other players in the draw on five occasions.

I know, all those big old facts could not fit in your head because it is so tiny, eh? :eek: :lol:

Bye, bye.:wavey: :lol:

ace4lleykim
Apr 20th, 2004, 03:53 PM
great i thought i was the only one who can actually see kim getting this :bounce:

No you're not the only, the whole CCL rite behind your back. :) :lol:

Allez-H
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:40 PM
Ask me this question again when I hear more about Justines 'illness'.
If it isn't serious and she's fit and healthy by the French,my money is on her and nobody else.She is and will always remain the Dirt Sliding Goddes :angel:

Just hoping to see this kind of scene again on 5th of June 2004

http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/rolandgarros03_153.jpg

Knizzle
Apr 20th, 2004, 06:01 PM
On to 2003:

Charleston: Justine def Serena
Amelia: Dementieva def Davenport(beat Justine in SF)
Warsaw: Mauresmo def Venus
Berlin: Justine def Clijsters
Rome: Clijsters def Mauresmo

Justine and Serena were the top favorites going into RG this year. I know Serena didn't win a title, but she had won the last 4 GS in a row and had to be a top favorite here. Other potential winners were Mauresmo and Clijsters. Venus was really a question mark because of her injury, but made the last 4 GS finals so she was the last outside fave. I know Dementieva won Amelia, but she really wasn't a top contender going into RG.

Let's see how they did:

Venus: seeded #3, lost to Zvonareva in fourth round in 3 sets
Clijsters: seeded #2, lost to Justine in final in 2 sets
Mauresmo: seeded #5, lost to Serena in QF in 2 sets
Serena: seeded #1, lost to Justine in SF in 3 sets
Justine: seeded #4, won RG beating Clijsters in final in 2 sets

Once again, just like 2002, the top faves were seeded #1-#5. Venus crashed out in the 4th round, her stomach injury seems to have affected her. Mauresmo totally choked in losing to Serena in the QF, but she fulfilled her seeding. Justine shocked the world beating World #1 Serena in the SF and went on to smoke Clijsters in the F. This year the favorites did very well except for Venus. She was the only one who didn't live up to her "favorite" status.

In doing this research on the last five years, it does seems that the players who play the best in the 6 weeks leading to RG end up doing very well there. So maybe Davenport and Venus' titles do mean a little more than I thought. So in the next 4 weeks we should pay attention to who is doing well because they will most likely do well also at RG.

TeeRexx
Apr 20th, 2004, 06:08 PM
It seems that the upcoming Roland Garros event will be about ten times more exciting than the last OZ if all of the top players are able to properly compete.:bounce:

shap_half
Apr 20th, 2004, 06:59 PM
I doubt Justine will be Paris, but if she is, I think she is the Top contender for that title.

Venus did well in Charleston, but that was green clay which is slightly faster than red clay so we shall see how she deals with red.

Serena's knee problems need to disappear for good no later than by Berlin for her to be completely comfortable on her least favorite surface.

Kim actually needs to get back into the game.

Amelie has to get over her injuries.

Lindsay needs to win a red clay title for her to really be a TOP contender.

Vera Zvonareva needs to be more focused and less erratic.

Anastasia Myskina needs to be fully healthy and back in action at Berlin. If she plays in Berlin, I think she can win.

If everyone maintains good healthy standards by the end of Berlin my ranking goes

1. Henin
2. Mauresmo
3. Serena
4. Venus
5. Clijsters
6. Zvonareva
7. Myskina
8. Davenport

Depending on the draw I think all eight could be QFists

TeeRexx
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:13 AM
I doubt Justine will be Paris, but if she is, I think she is the Top contender for that title.

Venus did well in Charleston, but that was green clay which is slightly faster than red clay so we shall see how she deals with red.

Serena's knee problems need to disappear for good no later than by Berlin for her to be completely comfortable on her least favorite surface.

Kim actually needs to get back into the game.

Amelie has to get over her injuries.

Lindsay needs to win a red clay title for her to really be a TOP contender.

Vera Zvonareva needs to be more focused and less erratic.

Anastasia Myskina needs to be fully healthy and back in action at Berlin. If she plays in Berlin, I think she can win.

If everyone maintains good healthy standards by the end of Berlin my ranking goes

1. Henin
2. Mauresmo
3. Serena
4. Venus
5. Clijsters
6. Zvonareva
7. Myskina
8. Davenport

Depending on the draw I think all eight could be QFists
I have picked Momo to take the RG title several times in the pase, but now, I think she is beyond winning that title by taking that pressure of playing in front of all of the Parisians.
But she can be a contender regardless of her mental block.;)

I do not see Myskina getting by the top players to take this title at this time. Maybe she will get this title after the Williams and JHH retire.:eek: :p

QUEENLINDSAY
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:54 AM
My Bets in Order!!!!

1. Justine- She still is the top contender, even if its not on clay, now how much more on her favorite surface.
2. Mauresmo- We have seen a preview of this in the amelia Island.
3. Lindsay Davenport- She is injury free- even if this is not her favorite surface, she just beat Mauresmo in a final who is clay court specialist.
4. Serena Williams- I cant put her right side by side with Justine yet coz she just came back- Lets see if she win Berlin or Rome.

I cant tell of anybody below yet.

1. Venus- Yes she won FCC, but as I see it now, everybody in the top 20 noe believes they can beat her on any surface, how much more on red clay? see her results this year.
2. Capriati- She is not in form yet
3. Kim- we havent see her play

Knizzle
Apr 21st, 2004, 05:01 AM
My Bets in Order!!!!

1. Justine- She still is the top contender, even if its not on clay, now how much more on her favorite surface.
2. Mauresmo- We have seen a preview of this in the amelia Island.
3. Lindsay Davenport- She is injury free- even if this is not her favorite surface, she just beat Mauresmo in a final who is clay court specialist.
4. Serena Williams- I cant put her right side by side with Justine yet coz she just came back- Lets see if she win Berlin or Rome.

I cant tell of anybody below yet.

1. Venus- Yes she won FCC, but as I see it now, everybody in the top 20 noe believes they can beat her on any surface, how much more on red clay? see her results this year.
2. Capriati- She is not in form yet
3. Kim- we havent see her play
Mauresmo and Davenport shouldn't be ahead of Serena or Venus. If Kim is healthy then Mauresmo and Davenport go behind her also.

Volcana
Apr 21st, 2004, 05:43 AM
As of right now, before ANY red clay events are played, as if the tournament were going to be played tomorrow?

01 Venus
02 Lindsay
03 Vera Z
04 Conchi
05 Paola Suarez

Wow, three RG champs in the top ten and I didn't pick one?!?!

Well, they're ALL TO HURT TO PLAY!

AND, I've had no chance to see anyone's red clay form. Who the hell else CAN I pick? If they can be bothered to show up, Justine, Kim, Serena, Amelie and Jenn would be on anybody's list. But right now, none of them are any better than 50-50 to play.

IF Justine is sick, and isn't physically debilitated....
IF Serena's knee holds up ...
IF Jenn's back holds up ...
IF Kim's wrist is healed ...
IF Amelie's back is okay ....

Please. Calling any of those players a favorite to win right now is a joke. First, convince me they're favored to PLAY. Then we'll talk.