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ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:28 PM
American commercial spirit has to be cleaned out of it. Olympics should not be made a money-making business ever again.

Judging rules should be clarified to exclude any possibility of single biased judge to effect the results.

I think that the latest scandals pretty much kill off the Vancouver chances for 2010, as well as Moscow, NYC, San-Francisco and other US chances for 2012. Perhaps it is for the good. Perhaps there should be a moratorium on Olympics in USA, Canada and Russia until the clearly existing national animousity between major Sport superpowers is eliminated. We'll still have to face highly ideological Games in 2008, which I am even afraid to think about.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:32 PM
"I think that the latest scandals pretty much kill off the Vancouver chances for 2010, as well as Moscow, NYC, San-Francisco and other US chances for 2012"

How does the games held in the USA kill of Canada's chances? That doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense :confused:

I think your exagerating a tad on this whole thing - suggesting Canada, Russia, and the USA shouldn't have the Olympics again cause we can't get along?

Please.

In that case how about no one have the Olympics, because someone hates everyone. :rolleyes:

AjdeNate!
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:33 PM
I think everyone needs to remember what the Olympics really represent and what they are intended to be/mean/inspire....

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:36 PM
Very simple. Vancouver is still North America. Asians will be pissed off about North America after Short Track scandal. Europe has 6 bids so it will vote for one of those. Former Soviet countries will not vote for Canada too. Vancouver will have to buy African votes just like SLC did..

I have no problem with Winter Olympics held in Europe or Asia ( Japan, S. Korea ) for next 20 or so years. Those places are always friendly and not affected by greedy American companies like NBC.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:41 PM
Oh so its okay to hold it in Europe or Asia, because there is no bias or corruption over there?

You certaintly are a blind, ignorant, asshole when you want to be. :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:43 PM
Becca at least it won't be all money orientated.

Olympic ideal is never the same in the US

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:47 PM
Europeans and Asians averagely are more friendly, educated and civilised than North Americans. There will be no hystery or animousity to particular countries. And they are traditionally much closer to us culturally then North America. We are after all geographically a single continent, Eurasia.

And, Becca, you know all too well, you will never provoke me to reply to your insults.

Rollo
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:48 PM
Ys-you forget too soon the controversies that have happened in other Olympiads-South Korea in 1988 had a LOT of controversy.

If Russia and South Korea feel judging has been biased, it's their right. Maybe they have a case. But threatening to pull out of the games or boycott then over judging makes Russia and Korea look bad, not the Olympics.

Protesting Irina's silver goes beyond reason as well-she fell, Michelle fell, Sasha fell. Had ANY
of them gotten gold I would have said it was wrong. No matter what I feel, Russia has a right to protest. Again though, threatening a pull-out
if the protest doesn't go their way makes a great nation look very small and childish.

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:50 PM
Irina fell in your dream, Rollo...

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:51 PM
Irina didn't fall ...... she lost gold due to biased judges giving Kwan 1st place in the short program when it was obvious she made an error.

tia clara
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:56 PM
Slutskaya's quote is the whiniest thing I have ever heard. She skated a third-rate program last night, and did not deserve to win gold. Neither did Kwan deserve the gold. Where is the bias when the four judges that gave Slutskaya first place were from Russia, Slovakia, Belarus and Denmark? There's no bloc voting there, eh? The judges who gave Hughes first palce marks were Germany, who does not love the US; Italy, likewise: Finland, neutral: Canada and the US. Hughes was so evidently the best skater last night, I don't see how the Russians have the gall to think that Slutskaya should have won. If you think all the problems of the Olympics are caused by the US, why the hell don't you go back to Russia and start your own games, where Russia can win everything. I really am tired of your USA bashing.
We aren't perfect as a country, but who is? not Russia, that's for sure.

The time to change the Olympics was years ago, when the USSR commanded all the judges. Now Russsia is trying to do the same.

Like it or not, the Olympics cost money, a lot of money. They need to make profits to cover expenses, such as building venues for the different sports. There are arenas built now for the skating, both speed skating and figure skating. It wasn't that long ago when these sports were skated outdoors, and were dependent on good weather. Cross-country skiing demands that trails be built, they don't just go out in the countryside and start racing each other. Ski jumps are expensive, and alpine skiing isn't just ski down any mountain and see who wins. These things all take money to build, and where is it to come from if not from sponsers? Not from governments.

Most countries cannot afford to subsidize the Games, summer or winter. Maybe you would prefer that there be no games at all. That would be clean and pure, which should make you very happy.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:56 PM
Rollo - IMO Irina should have won the short program. In which case, she would have won the gold, with her second place in the free skate. So I can see why they might protest.

TBE - YES the US games are more commercial. I don't disagree with that. I disagree with YS's insistance to talk as if Canada and the USA are the same country. Vancoucer shouldn't be hurt, because Salt Lake City was a mess.


ys- some random jottings....
"Europeans and Asians averagely are more friendly, educated and civilised than North Americans."

Interesting - do you have any stats on this? Cause I know for a fact that the literacy rate over here is higher that most Asian countries, and SOME European countries.
So I'm less educated than someone, cause I'm North American? What a pile of horseshit.
BTW - Thanks for coming out, but Canadians have a reputation for being freindly, nice, and "civilized". More so than any European or Asian country does - and no, this is not my own assumption - its something I've been told time and time again by foriegn exchange students, and international travellers.
I'd love you to explain this statement, cause at the moment, it appears your hatred has leaked into your reasoning.


"There will be no hystery or animousity to particular countries. And they are traditionally much closer to us culturally then North America. We are after all geographically a single continent, Eurasia. "

Yes ys- and the world does not revolve around Russia. They shouldn't hold the games somewhere else just cause its culturally close the Russia. Thats stupid.
Btw- do you really think that th US wouldn't get unfair treatment in Russia, after all of this?

Rollo
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:57 PM
Europeans and Asians averagely are more friendly, educated and civilised than North Europeans and Asians averagely are more friendly, educated and civilised than North
Americans. There will be no hystery or animousity to particular countries. And they are traditionally much closer to us culturally then North America. We are after all geographically a single continent, Eurasia.

"More civilized"? We're no angels:angel: but nations that practiced colonialism and produced two world wars with characters like Hitler and Stalin don't convince me of European "superiority".

As for no animosity between nations-what world are YOU living in? Heard of Iran-Iraq? Greece and Turkey? Lets not start with all the ethnic conflicts in the forner Soviet Union.
Japan and Korea? Having lived in Korea, I can tell you one unreported aspect of the skating controversy that has gone unreported, which is the American medalist is a Japanese-American. The average Korean hates Japan. The two countries can't even agree on sharing the World Cup.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:58 PM
Tia ..... Finland is not neutral when it comes to Russia

Vanity
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:58 PM
Why don't we just hold the winter olympics in Antarctica or Greenland or something... then you can't accuse anyone of bias. :p

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:58 PM
hmmm - just thought I'd back ys and tbe up on the skating thing..

IMO Irina should have won the short program. Michelle made an error on her landing and wasnt' accordingly docked for it.
Furthermore Irina received rather low presentation marks.

If irina would have won the short program, she'd have won gold - even with that minor slip up in the long program - which didn't involve falling.

Rollo
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the correction Viva:)

Maybe Irina DOES deserve the medal. I'm no skating expert. My only beef is with the threat to pull of the games if you don't get your way.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:01 PM
Just get the CBC to back us up and Irina may get a gold she deserves

that would mean Sasha getting a medal as well as she was clearly better than Kwan

tia clara
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:09 PM
TBE - I'm sorry, I had forgotten the treatment that Finland had received from Russia and the USSR over the centuries and will concede that they might have a bias against Russia.
According to the LA Times, the Finnish judge gave Hughes 5.7 in tech. 5.8 in presentation and 1st place; Slutskaya 5.8 in tech. 5.7 in presentation and 2nd place, and Kwan 5.6 in tech. and 5.8 in presentation and 3rd place. That seems to me an on the nose call, and shows no bias in any direrction. Russiaq and Denmark had Hughes placed 4th which is a real joke. Is Russia buying butter from Denmark? or eggs?

Rollo
Feb 22nd, 2002, 06:30 PM
Hi Viva:)

I don't doubt "bloc voting" has worked both for and against the Russians. Separating judges from
federations is a start, but as long as athletes(and judges) are connected to nations it is open to criticism. I'm just glad tennis doesn't have judging!:)

angele87
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by ys
Europeans and Asians averagely are more friendly, educated and civilised than North Americans. There will be no hystery or animousity to particular countries. And they are traditionally much closer to us culturally then North America. We are after all geographically a single continent, Eurasia.


ys you are such a fucking hypocrite... i'm sorry but i'm sick and tired of trying to be civil towards you and your stupid comments.
I am sick and tired of you being so Anti-North America... we have done nothing to you ok?? Can you get that trough you're head?? When we were all saying that Jamie and David should of won and gotten a gold medal you were saying how dumb and whiny Canada was but now you're precious Russia has gone one step further and threatened to pull out of the games... obviously a power trip and a cry for attention. If I was you, I would of be so ashamed (sp) that i would hide in a deep, dark hole!!!:mad: :mad:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:34 PM
Like many have said, ys is very xenophobic.

It's quite sad as well, to see an educated person act in such a way.

At least TBE, and other Russians are more level-headed.

All I have to say is that if S. Korea and Russia want to pull out - let em! More medals for us!!!

::rubbing greedy little hands:: ;)


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Oh and another thing ys, obviously these Olympics are bothering you a bit.....so why do you continue to watch? NBC is glad to have you as another viewer! LOLOL

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:41 PM
Oh, and Tia Clara, thank you for an excellent post! :)