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Foot_Fault
Apr 6th, 2004, 07:13 PM
The WTA need their asses kicked, Martina is getting Embarassed, and I am feeling that for her.

They should be ashame, and not try to exploit cash chances here. She had her Prime Time...it's not Fair for her to be embarassed like this. I have to :lol: to keep from :sad: , this is pitiful.

for-sure
Apr 6th, 2004, 07:14 PM
She won a set 6-1 against a top 100 clay court specialist that is more than half her age...I would say that is pretty good still.

Just_Love
Apr 6th, 2004, 07:15 PM
I say kudos to Martina for taking this to a 3rd set. She still has those Champion Aura around her to scare Sequera off. Good job and do well next time.

Foot_Fault
Apr 6th, 2004, 07:16 PM
She won a set 6-1 against a top 100 clay court specialist that is more than half her age...I would say that is pretty good still.Believe me this is a BLOW to Nav's ego and confidence. I don't think it's fair that she is playing girls 30 years younger. Although I applaud her efforts beating and AILING Monica Seles, does not constitute you being in top 100 form. I guess with more singles practice she will do well, but this was a Monetary Ploy i feel.

I personally feel, after the SHOCK of playing a Living LEGEND, and on Center Court....she settled in and Killed Nav.

sweetpinks
Apr 6th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Believe me this is a BLOW to Nav's ego and confidence. I don't think it's fair that she is playing girls 30 years younger. Although I applaud her efforts beating and AILING Monica Seles, does not constitute you being in top 100 form. I guess with more singles practice she will do well, but this was a Monetary Ploy i feel.

I personally feel, after the SHOCK of playing a Living LEGEND, and on Center Court....she settled in and Killed Nav.
You know what guys this is good for Martina, I think she was trying to show up the "injury prone" gals by going out there to play, Sequera was just too good for her, but what the heck she probably had fun????

upperkut
Apr 6th, 2004, 08:27 PM
it's not as if Martina was forced to play... she clearly wanted to play and if anything, this close loss will make her want it even more... for those who have had the privilege of meeting Martina, they know that she absolutely loves the game and all that comes with it... expect Martina to be awarded more wild cards and start doing it increasingly better...

alfonsojose
Apr 6th, 2004, 08:33 PM
The WTA need their asses kicked, Martina is getting Embarassed, and I am feeling that for her.

They should be ashame, and not try to exploit cash chances here. She had her Prime Time...it's not Fair for her to be embarassed like this. I have to :lol: to keep from :sad: , this is pitiful.

:worship:

This sucks. Larry Scott will invite Rosie Casals to play Elena Dementieva tomorow. All Dementieva's first serves will be considered fault :tape:

Philbo
Apr 6th, 2004, 10:42 PM
Foot_Fault - At least Martina can use the excuse she is 47, Venus got no excuse baby.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Apr 6th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Sometimes a person just needs to lose there cool and plainly say JUST THE F :tape: CK UP! So f :tape: cking ignorant to make a thread like this..show some f :tape: cking respect and get a f :tape: cking life! :fiery: It would be 1984 anyways u f :tape: cking moron!
ahh better now :wavey:

Foot_Fault
Apr 6th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Foot_Fault - At least Martina can use the excuse she is 47, Venus got no excuse baby.
And Venus is mentioned because?? Lets Jab in other places.:rolleyes:

Foot_Fault
Apr 6th, 2004, 10:57 PM
Sometimes a person just needs to lose there cool and plainly say JUST THE F :tape: CK UP! So f :tape: cking ignorant to make a thread like this..show some f :tape: cking respect and get a f :tape: cking life! :fiery: It would be 1984 anyways u f :tape: cking moron!
ahh better now :wavey:
Awww...Didn't take your Prozac today, huh? We will get that prescription filled in the A.M.:kiss:

P.S., if you had a life, this thread would be very non-exsistent to you, and left to those of us that don't have a life.:rolleyes:

Elvira
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Well, if this was on grass it'd be another story... you've seem to have forgotten that Martina, just two years ago, defeated Tatiana Panova (then ranked in the 20's) on grass at the Eastbourne event before stretching top 15 player Daniela Hantuchova to three sets in the next round. Clay isn't her best surface, but she won the first set, and I don't called that "getting killed"....

Philbo
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:04 PM
Venus was mentioned because she is another player 'embarrassing herself' with losses this whole year...

As i said Martina has her age as an excuse, Venus has no excuse mate so why dont you worry about your own fave isntead of taking cheapshots at the best ever.

Foot_Fault
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:07 PM
Venus was mentioned because she is another player 'embarrassing herself' with losses this whole year...

As i said Martina has her age as an excuse, Venus has no excuse mate so why dont you worry about your own fave isntead of taking cheapshots at the best ever.
you see it as a Cheap shot to Martina...I see it as the WTA exploiting a Champion Legend. Tomayto...Tomahto.

Venus still has nothing to do with this, Nor does the PLAY of Martina...don't be so sensitive.

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:18 PM
The scoreline looks very competitive. How was it "getting her ass kicked"? :scratch:

Philbo
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:19 PM
Well when you are using words like 'embarrasing herself' its kinda difficult to nto see it as a potshot, especially when she lost in 3 sets on clay!! Hardly an embarrasment.

SerialKiller#69
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:23 PM
How can someone like Navratilova be exploited? :confused:

Sam L
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Venus was mentioned because she is another player 'embarrassing herself' with losses this whole year...

As i said Martina has her age as an excuse, Venus has no excuse mate so why dont you worry about your own fave isntead of taking cheapshots at the best ever.
I like Venus but Czechfan has some very good points. :clap2:

You've lost it Foot Fault.

Celeste
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:01 AM
I guess maybe the WTA people "forced" her to play singles due to sort of a lackluster season to build publicity? I don't know, but I don't think so. The WTA hyped the shit out of this match, so who knows. Martina always struck me as a media whore who loves her name in lights and to be the talk of the tournament. Her time is sooo over. Her doubles comeback is old news, so maybe she did the singles wildcard thing to get more publicity? Or to try to build some singles results to get a Wimbledon wildcard in singles, I think they turned her down two years ago, so with some results, maybe she can get one? She totally annoys me, but she did play this match and all, you have to respect her for that, the broad puts it one the line. We'll have to see what Martina does the rest of the year.

ptkten
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:08 AM
Czechfan doesn't have a point, in no way does Venus relate to Nav. playing, he just uses any excuse to bring up Venus' poor play. That being said, who cares if Navratilova is playing, good for her if she wants to do it, the person she's taking the wild card from would probably lose in the first round anyway

Philbo
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Celeste - You are completely lacking in facts.

Wimbledon did NOT turn her down for a wildcard 2 years ago, so stop.

Foot_Fault
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:13 AM
Celeste - You are completely lacking in facts.

Wimbledon did NOT turn her down for a wildcard 2 years ago, so stop.
I get the impression this person is really really young. It's evidently showing b/c the lack of tact...no one has cursed at this person but anyone that dont agree with "it", "it" attacks, profanely.

brunof
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:14 AM
I guess maybe the WTA people "forced" her to play singles due to sort of a lackluster season to build publicity? I don't know, but I don't think so. The WTA hyped the shit out of this match, so who knows. Martina always struck me as a media whore who loves her name in lights and to be the talk of the tournament. Her time is sooo over. Her doubles comeback is old news, so maybe she did the singles wildcard thing to get more publicity? Or to try to build some singles results to get a Wimbledon wildcard in singles, I think they turned her down two years ago, so with some results, maybe she can get one? She totally annoys me, but she did play this match and all, you have to respect her for that, the broad puts it one the line. We'll have to see what Martina does the rest of the year.
Martina is a living legend, and she has nothing to prove. I can't see an outspoken person like Martina being 'forced' to do anything. :tape:

Philbo
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:15 AM
Just wankers who think they know shit and speak bullshit as if they are facts.

As I said, worry about Venus's losses before you start talking about Martina embarrassing herself.

Leo_DFP
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:16 AM
If she wants to play, she deserves the opportunity to.

Although I disagree with Martina's decision to play a clay court event. Eastbourne on the grass would have been a better choice.

Foot_Fault
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:20 AM
How can someone like Navratilova be exploited? :confused:
Money Hungry WTA organizers, that need that Media Sell. The WTA Tour is hurting right now, with all of the injuries. I LOVE the WTA and for about 6years it's been the main draw and money maker as far as tennis, b/c of the great personal stories and rilvaries of the players.

Everyone is injured....The Men's game is getting big names and becoming More and More exciting b/c of the competition.

So they are exploiting her name, Hyping that match, and there is no way a 47 year old woman, can go an entire fort...or fortnight with people 30 years younger. Some of you see this as attacking Martina...that is not my intention. The Michael Jordon affect is happening to her image, trying to play singles again. I think the WTA made a bad move granting her a card into this tournament for financial gain.

After the shock of playing a Living Legend wore off, Miss Venezula ran away with the match...although I Applaud Martina's efforts, A person of her credentials was exploited and embarrassed. She maybe was "GIVEN" the first set.

Support of that statement comes from Chris Evert, who stated at Wimbledon one time, that she know she can't hang with the gals, even in her Prime and if she was to play them, she would HOPE that they would GIVE her games.

Foot_Fault
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:22 AM
Just wankers who think they know shit and speak bullshit as if they are facts.

As I said, worry about Venus's losses before you start talking about Martina embarrassing herself.
definately not worry about Venus struggling right now, she will soon be in the groove, have you noticed you're the Only one feeling attacked? Therefore lumping Venus into a debatable discussion? Most of the adults or sensible debators in this thread seem to be "Agreeing to Disagree."

Let's learn.

Please Evolve:rolleyes:

Philbo
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:23 AM
"Support of that statement comes from Chris Evert, who stated at Wimbledon one time, that she know she can't hang with the gals, even in her Prime and if she was to play them, she would HOPE that they would GIVE her games"

So let me get this straight, you think Martina got 'given' the first set by Sequera, simply because Chris Evert said during commentary SHE hopes players would GIVE her games??

Jesus, you think Im young and you come up with laughable, pathetic logic such as that??? OMG you are deluded lol

Foot_Fault
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:28 AM
"Support of that statement comes from Chris Evert, who stated at Wimbledon one time, that she know she can't hang with the gals, even in her Prime and if she was to play them, she would HOPE that they would GIVE her games"

So let me get this straight, you think Martina got 'given' the first set by Sequera, simply because Chris Evert said during commentary SHE hopes players would GIVE her games??

Jesus, you think Im young and you come up with laughable, pathetic logic such as that??? OMG you are deluded lolBetter...Better, no profanity..Much Respected. Now we really can talk.

The Talent of today is much Different of 20 or 30 years ago. Martina, a Phenomenal Talent, and still have the "half speed" to keep up with today's game. I don't think she was Given the first set, I do think Sequera was Star Struck to some degree. The set by set stats suggest that. Martina in the final 2 sets didn't dish out anything, and we all know Singles is much more competitive and more grueling than Dubs. I use Chris Evert's statement as an example b/c they come from the same era, and at the time of the statement, it was the first year of Martina's comeback. Although little significance the relvance of that statement speaks Volumes.

This is (TO ME) the WTA hypeing a match to gain exposure and sell out a stadium. Brandi pulled out today, Usually...it's a WALKOVER..but b/c of the Ticket Sales...they found a Lucky Loser....EXPLOITED, in my personal opinion YES!

Sam L
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:28 AM
I get the impression this person is really really young. It's evidently showing b/c the lack of tact...no one has cursed at this person but anyone that dont agree with "it", "it" attacks, profanely.
Oh please, at least he's not as stupid as to come out and say Martina is embarassing herself. :tape:

Foot_Fault
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Oh please, at least he's not as stupid as to come out and say Martina is embarassing herself. :tape:
I'll take being stupid. Thank you!;)

Celeste
Apr 7th, 2004, 12:40 AM
I read here she did not get a Wimbledon wildcard, that year she played Eastborne. They denied her, which is so typical of Wimbledon. I know, not much, but that's what I base it on. If you don't like it, well, maybe I'm wrong. Martina got tossed today by someone not very good. Do you want me to rub it in? I don't want to. Martina is a great champion, but her play right now, with the singles, and even more in doubles, does play to someone being paid off or totally desperate. You don't see the other broads of that age still playing. If Tracy or Chrissie wanted more fame, they could get wildcards, too. They sell a lot more tickets than Martina. They always did, and they always will. That's the facts of life.

That aside, Philbo, take a few days off. Martina is the greatest, don't let this get you down about her and this nuts board.

Philbo
Apr 7th, 2004, 01:06 AM
Get back on your back Celeste, its where you're at your best.

Jakeev
Apr 7th, 2004, 01:15 AM
it's not as if Martina was forced to play... she clearly wanted to play and if anything, this close loss will make her want it even more... for those who have had the privilege of meeting Martina, they know that she absolutely loves the game and all that comes with it... expect Martina to be awarded more wild cards and start doing it increasingly better...
EXACTLY!!! It's not that Martina got blown of the court until the end. She went for her shots, had five aces and just 9 winners fewer than Sequera. 28 winners is nothing to sneeze at.

On a faster surface, Martina probably could have beaten Milagros, but who knows? I don't think Martina should be upset about this result at all.

arcus
Apr 7th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Better...Better, no profanity..Much Respected. Now we really can talk.

The Talent of today is much Different of 20 or 30 years ago. Martina, a Phenomenal Talent, and still have the "half speed" to keep up with today's game. I don't think she was Given the first set, I do think Sequera was Star Struck to some degree. The set by set stats suggest that. Martina in the final 2 sets didn't dish out anything, and we all know Singles is much more competitive and more grueling than Dubs. I use Chris Evert's statement as an example b/c they come from the same era, and at the time of the statement, it was the first year of Martina's comeback. Although little significance the relvance of that statement speaks Volumes.

This is (TO ME) the WTA hypeing a match to gain exposure and sell out a stadium. Brandi pulled out today, Usually...it's a WALKOVER..but b/c of the Ticket Sales...they found a Lucky Loser....EXPLOITED, in my personal opinion YES!

Have to disagree.....

Who got exploited today?.....

Was it the crowd? I dont think so, no, they wanted to see one the the greats try it on at 47, rare chance, and the alternatives were pretty pallid in comparison. I wish I had been there.

Was it Navratilova? I dont think so, no, she putting it on the line, willing to look foolish to see how she can stack up at 47(!!), and she has spent 30 years happily supporting the WTA and womens tennis.

Was it her opponent? I dont think so, no, you can prob call that maybe the highlight of her career, beating one of the all time greats. U know she's thrilled about today.

Was it tennis? Again I dont think so, no. This is a great story, lots of publicity for the game and a chance for all sports to consider how old you can be and still compete.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Apr 7th, 2004, 01:31 AM
You don't see the other broads of that age still playing. If Tracy or Chrissie wanted more fame, they could get wildcards, too.



True enough, but the reason they don't is because they know full well they would embarass themselves. Not "embarass themself" like you say Martina did by losing in 3 sets to a player ranked #83. They would get double bageled or get one game, and it would happen quite frequently.

Case in point: Martina played Tracy in an exo last year and Martina absolutely schooled her 6-1 6-1. I saw that match and I can tell you right now those two games Tracy got were charity games.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Apr 7th, 2004, 01:35 AM
This is (TO ME) the WTA hypeing a match to gain exposure and sell out a stadium. Brandi pulled out today, Usually...it's a WALKOVER..but b/c of the Ticket Sales...they found a Lucky Loser....EXPLOITED, in my personal opinion YES!

They do that in every tournament :rolleyes: from the US Open right down the 10K's in Bangladesh. If it's the 2nd round and beyond and a player pulls out, it's a walkover. If it's the first round, they get a lucky loser.

Sheesh, whatever crack you're smoking, I want some of it.

Celeste
Apr 7th, 2004, 11:49 PM
Philbo, I want to apologize, maybe I am wrong about the wildcard thing. I swear I read it here, or on yahoo, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I didn't just make it up, I really thought she was denied a wildcard in 2002 for Wimbledon. I remember being mad at Wimbledon at that time, because she is its greatest champion and certainly has a better chance than the English girls who receive those silly wildcards. You are one of my favorite posters, you totally are dedicated to Martina and make good posts. I like to watch Martina play, but I don't like her personally. I won't go into why. I let myself get carried away because I don't like her, and I am sorry for that, ok?

Also, I did also see Tracy thrashed by Martina at the exhibition, but Tracy had recently had a baby and was only playing an exhibition. If Tracy and Chrissie (the real one, not Justine) worked out and trained, I think they would not get double-bageled, and crafy Chrissie always finds a way to win. They are not the athlete Martina is, but imo, none of them should be playing singles.

Sorry Philbo, if I catch Martina in Charleston, I'll try to get her autograph and send it to you, ok, really I will?

-Sonic-
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:06 AM
lol wow, i wouldn't apologise if someone was being like that to me.

arcus
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:10 AM
lol wow, i wouldn't apologise if someone was being like that to me.

I thought it was a nice post.
I'd love it if more posters "took the high road" and made the effort to be friendly, and avoid conflict, rather than contributing to the tidal wave of negativity that washes over here all the time.
Well done Celeste.

GermanBoy
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:14 AM
She had her Prime Time...it's not Fair for her to be embarassed like this.
Right, I remember Borg versus Arrese in Monte Carlo 1990? :confused: That was the same. Not necessary!

-Sonic-
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:16 AM
it was a nice post indeed. i never said it wasn't. i just said i, personally, wouldn't have done it in the same situation, if someone was being harsh to me unfairly. so yeah, nice one celeste. i've noticed over the years she's a good poster.

Celeste
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:18 AM
No, I would not normally apologise, not to any other poster, but Philbo is a nice guy, and, trust me, I've been called a lot worse. I got out of control, it was my fault. I like Philbo a lot, I hope we can make up.

Philbo
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:41 AM
*phil approaches Celeste with an olive branch*

No worries Celeste, thanks for taking the high road :) Sorry for being snappy, but I was in full-on siege mentality yesterday, defending Mart's from all the hate directed at her and did get carried away..

Oh well, nothin has had me posting as much in months and months... Felt good to have that fire in the belly to post again, refreshing the threads to post a comeback... hasnt been like that on the boards for me in sooooo long..

arcus
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:58 AM
*phil approaches Celeste with an olive branch*

No worries Celeste, thanks for taking the high road :) Sorry for being snappy, but I was in full-on siege mentality yesterday, defending Mart's from all the hate directed at her and did get carried away..

Oh well, nothin has had me posting as much in months and months... Felt good to have that fire in the belly to post again, refreshing the threads to post a comeback... hasnt been like that on the boards for me in sooooo long..


another nice post...... :) :) :) :) :) Go phil!

Black Mamba.
Apr 8th, 2004, 12:58 AM
I'm glad Martina got to play singles again. I think it was great. Even at 47 she still plays better than a lot of the WTA's so called top ten ie..... Dementieva. When Martina loses she takes it like a champ, so many WTA stars blame other things or say they were injured or some other garbage. Tennis has become a sport where the stars blame other things and never give the opponent any credit, my opinion is if you're hurt don't play and if you do don't blame your injury after you lose or make up other excuses.

Celeste
Apr 8th, 2004, 01:30 AM
*phil approaches Celeste with an olive branch*

No worries Celeste, thanks for taking the high road :) Sorry for being snappy, but I was in full-on siege mentality yesterday, defending Mart's from all the hate directed at her and did get carried away..

Oh well, nothin has had me posting as much in months and months... Felt good to have that fire in the belly to post again, refreshing the threads to post a comeback... hasnt been like that on the boards for me in sooooo long..

You're right, it hasn't been this good in a long time. Martina lives (good or bad)!! Anyway, sorry. If I see her, I'll give her the good vibes the right way, I can't let down "my" Philbo. I guess we've had tearful make-up session, so we can argue next time. ;)

See, posters can make up, just try to be mature about it, at least at the end. ;)

I haven't had a vacation in a year, so I'm excited about the tournament!

Ballbuster
Apr 8th, 2004, 01:40 AM
Foot Fault

I agree with you. Martina N. needs to get a earpiece and call shots from the broadcasters booth. She's toast. Besides, she will never make it out of the round of 32. She's old and slow and will be know as just another player that didn't make it to the Semi's.

What she thought - the tour will lay down her racquets so that she can make it to the finals against Serena where she'll be trounced 6-1, 6-1. (it really would be 6-0, 6-0 but Serena will give her a game to help her save her mugg)

arcus
Apr 8th, 2004, 02:29 AM
Foot Fault

She's toast.
She's old and slow.

What she thought - the tour will lay down her racquets so that she can make it to the finals against Serena where she'll be trounced 6-1, 6-1. (it really would be 6-0, 6-0 but Serena will give her a game to help her save her mugg)

not sure i agree there......
7 doubles titles last year with 3 partners
2 mixed slams
final of the open doubles

so the evidence is that she is old, yes, but toast and slow, nope.

Maybe not top 50 or 100 singles, but most pros will never be that either, doesn't stop them trying.

And i keep repeating, its great that someone trys to play at 47.

Tennis is not a multiple choice exam with negative marking, navratilova doesnot lose one of her slams for losing a singles match late in her career. Her achievements remain.

SOme would have told her not to play a few years ago, and she would have missed out on the super-slam and all the other things that she has achieved over the past year or so.

azza
Apr 8th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Jill Craybas was born in 1974 :)