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Stefwhit
Apr 6th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Take a player, and using the 'six deadly ground strokes', rank each stroke in the order of their effectiveness as a reliabile weapon. The 'Six deadly' shots are:
1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (crosscourt)
5. backhand (DTL)
6. others= slice, lob, drop-shot, volley (does not include serve)
...you can discuss any particular shot and why you ranked it the way you did.


Here's how I rank these girls:

Justine
1. Others
2. backhand crosscourt
3. inside-out forehand
4. forehand crosscourt
5. backhand DTL
6. forehand DTL
...When Justine is 'on' she executes all of these shots wonderfully to her advantage. My personal favorite shot from her is her backhand crosscourt. It's sometimes a hard shot to read because she can take it late then just whip it crosscourt. I love to watch her do that to someone at the net. I put her forehand DTL last because it seems that sometimes when she gets tight she tends to push it long a lot. It's not a weak shot from her because she can be really aggressive with that shot, but it seems like it's her shakiest shot.

Serena
1. forehand crosscourt
2. backhand crosscourt
3. backhand DTL
4. inside-out forehand
5. forehand DTL
6. others
...IMO, the best shot in tennis is Serena's forehand crosscourt. It seems to be a steady shot for her even when she's a little off and it's always a leathal shot. When she's returning serve and hits a forehand crosscourt in her strike zone say 'good night'. The thing I really like about her backhand crosscourt the most are those crazy angles she gets. She really incorporated angles into her game about 2 years ago and I love that those strokes are being used more and more as weapons.

Stefwhit
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:08 AM
Steffi
1. Inside-out forehand
2. forehand DTL
3. forehand crosscourt
4. others
5. backhand crosscourt
6. backhand DTL
...I never cared for Steffi's lobs, dropshots, and volley play but I had to rank "others" high on the list because of Steffi's AWESOME backhand slice. Steffi's slice remains one of the most under rated shots in the game. Of all her shot my favorite shot has to be her inside-out forehand- talk about a "deadly" shot!

sioul
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:24 AM
Martina Hingis
1) Forehand inside out.
2) Backhand down the line
3) Other
4) Forehand down the line
5) Backhand crosscourt
6) Forehand crosscourt
Hingis' inside out forehand was amazing. she hit it often while she was approaching the net and used it as an approach often but most of the time it would be good enough to produce and UE or even become a winner on its own. her forehand crosscourt was always week, because she hit under it and put too much spin, theo nly time she could get a good angle on it was when she took off alot of pace and used just the spin, it was too weak.

faboozadoo15
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:29 AM
well i disagree with your assessment of justine. i think both her forehand shots are better than both her backhand shots.

venus
dtl backhand no doubt
corsscourt backhand
others
crosscourt forehand
inside out forehand
dtl forehand

seles
crosscourt backhand (best of all time)
dtl backhand
crosscourt forehand
dtl forehand
others shes actually got some of the best swinging volleys
inside out forehand/backhand she rarely hits it

Stefwhit
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:37 AM
faboozadoo15- I'd love to see how you would rank Justine since you see it differently. I was actually thinking about switching a couple I put for her, but in the end it just felt right this way.....let's see how you would do her...

faboozadoo15
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:49 AM
faboozadoo15- I'd love to see how you would rank Justine since you see it differently. I was actually thinking about switching a couple I put for her, but in the end it just felt right this way.....let's see how you would do her...
ok

justine
dtl forehand
inside out forehand
crosscourt forehand
others
backhand dtl so damn awesome looking but not nearly as effective as her potent forehand going either way or how she mixes things up with her volleys and drop shots
crosscourt backhand

i really believe that justine's forehand is much much better than her backhand in just about all of her matches. she's got a well balanced attack though, for sure.

Stefwhit
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:05 AM
ok

justine
dtl forehand
inside out forehand
crosscourt forehand
others
backhand dtl so damn awesome looking but not nearly as effective as her potent forehand going either way or how she mixes things up with her volleys and drop shots
crosscourt backhand

i really believe that justine's forehand is much much better than her backhand in just about all of her matches. she's got a well balanced attack though, for sure.
It's kinda funny cuz our lists are almost completly opposites. Justine hits amazing dropshots, lobs, and great defensive and offensive slices- so why did you rank her "others" so low? The thing about her case is that she has a really well balanced game so there isn't a lot more of an advantage from one shot to another- so that explains why there can be so much variation in the way we would rank those shots.

faboozadoo15
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:13 AM
imo, all of her forehand shots are just that much better than everything else. she dictates with is so much and makes fewer errors there than anywhere else. she doesn't do the "other" things nearly enough and they are lower percentage than when she is aggressive on her forehand. her backhand is stunning but definitely the most overrated part of her game, just like roger federer.

Ryan
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:15 AM
Martina Hingis


1. Backhand dtl
2. Others
3. Inside-out forehand
4. Backhand cross-court
5. Forehand btl
6. Forehand cross-court


Hingis' backhand down the line was a thing of beauty and the best one of the 90's IMO. It's almost interchangeable with others, because she had amazing instincts, volleys, dropshots, angles etc. Martina's forehand is definately her weaker wing, but when she went inside-out on it she took it early and placed it amazingly well.

alextreiber04
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:19 AM
Chanda Rubin (USA)

1. Forehand (DTL)
2. Inside Out forehand
3. Forehand (crosscourt)
4. others-Volley
5. backhand (crosscourt)
6. backhand (DTL)

Well pretty much any part of Chanda's forehand is lethal. But mainly her DTL shot...if any of you saw re-caps of Rubin vs. Mauresmo on Eurosport at the YEC...you'll know why ;) she hit some amazing shots with that especially on MP...if you saw it on ESPN as well. Her volleys are really good, shes awesome at doubles of course...and her backhand's although they aren't they best they are super-consistent. I'd probably if aloud put her serve as last.

Dokicfan17
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:21 AM
Jelena Dokic
1] Backhand Down the Line :)
2] Dropshot ( nice)
3] Backhand crosscourt
4] swinging volley (off backhand)
5] Crosscourt forehand
6]Overheads

j_dementieva27
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:54 AM
Elena Dementieva:

1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (DTL)
5. backhand (crosscourt)
6. others

tennnisfannn
Apr 6th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Nobody does the insided out forehand better than Capriati. That shot is lethal!

tennisjunky
Apr 6th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Martina Hingis

1. Others
2. Backhand dtl
3. Insideout forehand
4. Backhand cross-court
5. Forehand dtl
6. Forehand cross-court

I agree with the other two people who did Martina Hingis that her weakest shot seemed to be her forehand crosscourt. It was a reliable shot, but unless she hit a sharp angle it wasn't anything too special. I think the best part of her game would be the 'others' she had really good lobs, dropshots, and could slice effectively if she needed and her volleys were always solid. That is why she was so good at doubles. I don't think her backhand dtl was the best, but I do think she used it the most effectively out of any other player.

Pureracket
Apr 6th, 2004, 08:01 AM
This is a nice thread, but I think that the best shot in womens tennis right now is the Serena Williams first serve.

bandabou
Apr 6th, 2004, 08:48 AM
Serena, too bad it doesn´t include the serve...because THAT is the shot that seperates Serena from the rest of the field.
On the topic:
Forehand cross-court: DEATHLY
forehand dtl: she can take it so early and hit it nice low
Backhand dtl: complements her forehand crosscourt nicely.
others: her angles are as good as anybody....specially from the backhand side.

Glenn
Apr 6th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Justine Henin-Hardenne

1. Forehand down the line
2. Others
3. Backhand crosscourt
4. Forehand inside out
5. Forehand crosscourt
6. Backhand down the line

All of her shots are good but when she hits a backhand down the line I hold my heart because it's a very risky shot and I think Justine hasn't mastered this yet.
You can't believe how many winners Justine hits with that forehand down the line, so I put that first, then her dropshots, lobs, slice etc.

Jakeev
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:07 AM
well i disagree with your assessment of justine. i think both her forehand shots are better than both her backhand shots.
Exactly, her forehand has actually become a huge weapon for her and in several matches this year, she has had more forehand to backhand winners.

Her forehand is amazingly underrated.

Epigone
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:42 AM
Vera Zvonareva

1. backhand (crosscourt)
2. forehand (crosscourt)
3. backhand (DTL)
4. others
5. forehand (DTL)
6. inside out forehand

DJ Troll
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:44 AM
Anna looks great while doing any shot :p

tennisjunky
Apr 6th, 2004, 12:16 PM
Lindsay

1. Backhand cross-court
2. Backhand dtl
3. Forehand dtl
4. Forehand cross-court
5. Forehand inside out
6. Others- volley


Justine

1. Insideout forehand
2. Backhand cross-court
3. Others- slice, volley, lobs
4. Forehand dtl
5. Forehand crosscourt
6. Backhand dtl

I love how explosive her forehand dtl is, its a great offensive shot but she still makes more errors with it than with her backhand crosscourt so I had to go with her Backhand dtl as her best shot.

Seles
1. Backhand cross-court
2. Forehand cross-court
3. Backhand dtl
4. Forehand dtl
5. Others
6. Forehand insideout

DEETHELICK
Apr 6th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Elena D:

FH crosscourt :eek:
Inside out FH
FH DTL
BH DTL
BH crosscourt
Others

Jen:
Inside out FH
FH Crosscourt
FH DTL
BH Crosscourt
Others
BH DTL

Knizzle
Apr 6th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Serena:

FH crosscourt
FH DTL
Inside out FH
Backhand crosscourt
Backhand DTL
Others

Venus

Backhand DTL
Backhand Crosscourt
FH Crosscourt
Others
Inside Out FH
FH DTL

tennisjunky
Apr 11th, 2004, 08:54 AM
Mauresmo

1. BACKHAND DTL
2. OTHERS
3. BACKHAND CROSSCRT
4. FOREHAND CROSSCRT
5. FOREHAND DTL
6. INSIDE OUT FOREHAND

Jackson.
Apr 11th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Nadia Petrova :D

1 Backhand (Crosscourt)
2 Forehand (Crosscourt)
3 Forehand (DTL)
4 Others
5 Backhand (DTL)
6 Off forehand

tennisjunky
Apr 11th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Could somebody do Myskina for me. I love her but Ive only seen her play a couple of times so Im not as familiar with her game. I know she's solid on both sides but I don't know what her best shots are.

flyingmachine
Apr 11th, 2004, 12:50 PM
Nadia Petrova :D

1 Backhand (Crosscourt)
2 Forehand (Crosscourt)
3 Forehand (DTL)
4 Others
5 Backhand (DTL)
6 Off forehand

You forgot the "SERVE."

Jackson.
Apr 11th, 2004, 01:14 PM
It says Serve isn't counted :p

Jackson.
Apr 11th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Anastasia Myskina

1 Backhand (Crosscourt)
2 Forehand (Crosscourt)
3 Backhand (DTL)
4 Others
5 Forehand (DTL)
6 Off Forehand

Jackson.
Apr 11th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Dinara Safina

1 Backhand (Crosscourt)
2 Forehand (Crosscourt)
3 Backhand (DTL)
4 Off Forehand
5 Forehand (DTL)
6 Others

tennisjunky
Apr 11th, 2004, 01:25 PM
this is a great thread because it helps me get an idea some players games, especially those who dont come on tv that often

Russianrule- do Svetlana Kuznetsova

Jackson.
Apr 11th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Okay ;)

Svetlana Kuznetsova

1 Off Forehand
2 Forehand (Crosscourt)
3 Backhand (Crosscourt)
4 Forehand (DTL)
5 Others
6 Backhand (DTL)

Stefwhit
Apr 11th, 2004, 02:26 PM
Nobody does the insided out forehand better than Capriati. That shot is lethal!
Actually I think Steffi's Insideout-Forehand is still the best there was/is in the game. Looking at the current players I actually think Dementiva and Henin have better inside-out forehands than Jennifer, although Jenn does have a nice one. Jennifer doesn't really go for the lines as much as the other people mentioned, but she definitely hits it as hard (if not harder) than anyone.

Leo_DFP
Apr 11th, 2004, 04:07 PM
Lindsay
1. Backhand cc
2. Backhand dtl
3. Forehand cc
4. Forehand dtl
5. Forehand inside out
6. Other (volley)

VS Fan
Apr 11th, 2004, 04:24 PM
A thread called "six deadly shots" that does NOT include SERVE is assinine.

Serve:

1. Serena (not in her last match)
2. Pertova
3. Venus
4. Justine
5. Lindsay

Another shot, while it is a combination of the ones listed "return of serve"

1. Serena
2. Justine
3. Monica
4. Lindsay

Glenn
Apr 11th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Mary Pierce:

1. Forehand crosscourt
2. Forehand down the line
3. Forehand inside out
4. Backhand down the line
5. Backhand crosscourt
6. Others

Stefwhit
Apr 11th, 2004, 09:11 PM
A thread called "six deadly shots" that does NOT include SERVE is assinine.
point taken (edited)..... HAPPY NOW?

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 4th, 2005, 06:25 AM
...bump

(On second thought the Serve still doesn't count)

Anyone care to do Sharapova?

Prizeidiot
Mar 4th, 2005, 06:45 AM
Elena Dementieva:

1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (DTL)
5. backhand (crosscourt)
6. others
I'm too lazy to think so I'm just quoting you, except I'd switch forehand down the line with inside out forehand.

Forehand crosscourt is a thing of beauty.....

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 4th, 2005, 06:48 AM
Serena's forehand crosscourt is her best shot, right above her forehand down the line.

Dominic
Mar 4th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Who ever said serena's forehand crosscourt is always steady even when she's off is totally absolutly wrong. Just watch her match against Sharap ao2005. She made so so so many errors with it in the beginning sometimes it sailed yards away from the baseline. Anyway.

Dokic:

Forehand down the line
Crosscourt backhand
Crosscourt forehand
Inside out forehand
Others (nice dropshots and lobs)
Backhand down the line

Sharapova:

Crosscourt forehand
Crosscourt backhand
Inside out forehand
Forehand down the line
Backhand down the line
Others

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:00 AM
Who ever said serena's forehand crosscourt is always steady even when she's off is totally absolutly wrong. Just watch her match against Sharap ao2005. She made so so so many errors with it in the beginning sometimes it sailed yards away from the baseline. Anyway.
There is no one shot that is on 100% of the time. In some matches Steffi's forehand would misfire all day long, Navratilova had some really bad days at the net, and even Pete Sampras had some days where is serve was nowhere to be found- things like happen. In the match against Maria (Wimby 4) everything Serena did was pretty much off. Her serve wasn't that impressive, and she hit tons of forehand down the line shot right smack into the middle of the net. Using that match as an example I would agree with you, but taking into account the bulk of her matches, I still think her forehand crosscourt is a pretty reliable shot. I don't think it's her most reliable because her backhand in general is a lot more stable than her forehand- but when it comes to doing damage to an opponent she can hit clean winners for days with her crosscourt forehand... IMO.

Dominic
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:07 AM
I actually said AO 05 but now that you mention it you're right at wimbledon too it was way off and many other times for that matter. Im sorry but I really dont think its one of her reliable shots. Its either on or off. I agree with you that her backhand is alot more steady.

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:28 AM
I actually said AO 05 but now that you mention it you're right at wimbledon too it was way off and many other times for that matter. Im sorry but I really dont think its one of her reliable shots. Its either on or off. I agree with you that her backhand is alot more steady.
To each his or her own, I feel really confident with my knowledge of Serena and her game- but you don't have to take my word for it.

My bad on the mix up with the matches, but since you were talking about AO-5, that particular match actually illustrates the effectiveness of her forehand perfeclty. It was the forehand that got her out of trouble when faced with match points- nice to know it was reliable when it counted the most! There may be a question of reliability, but there's no questioning the 'deadliness' of that stroke.

Stamp Paid
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:32 AM
...bump

(On second thought the Serve still doesn't count)

Anyone care to do Sharapova?

Its hard because like Mashona Washington said, "She has no like, "Oh my God!" shots. Maria's greatest weapon ATM is not even her mental focus, because she can play and lose a bad set like the rest of them, but its her mental strength.

Dominic
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:34 AM
To each his or her own, I feel really confident with my knowledge of Serena and her game- but you don't have to take my word for it.

My bad on the mix up with the matches, but since you were talking about AO-5, that particular match actually illustrates the effectiveness of her forehand perfeclty. It was the forehand that got her out of trouble when faced with match points- nice to know it was reliable when it counted the most! There may be a question of reliability, but there's no questioning the 'deadliness' of that stroke.

That was the inside out forehand and did anyone say anything about the deadliness?

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 4th, 2005, 08:42 AM
...did anyone say anything about the deadliness?
No... and that was my point, "there's no questioning the 'deadliness' of that stroke- get it...

...and of course I know it was the inside-out forehand. I was just making a point about one of her least reliable shots being reliable when it counts the most.

Sometimes with words it gets tricky but FYI I just love talking about tennis. I don't have a need to make people agree with me, sometimes different opinions make for the best converstations- - so thanks for the dialogue!! :wavey:

vogus
Mar 4th, 2005, 02:39 PM
yeah i could talk about that stuff all day... :-)

Orion
Mar 4th, 2005, 02:51 PM
Sharapova...

I'd say her crosscourt forehand is the most consistent, but she plays more on the premise that she won't screw up, she'll work you into a box, and she'll power away your defenses.

So, if you'd ask me, CC Forehand, DTL Backhand, CC Backhand, DTL Forehand, IO Forehand, Others. Although, her other are beginning to improve. She can lob nicely on occassion, is getting better at net, and can definitely do a dropshot or two a set.

Zhao
Mar 4th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Jennifer Capriati

1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (crosscourt)
5. backhand (DTL)
6. others

Capriati is well known for hitting her forehand very well...even when she's on the defensive her forehand on the run is :eek: her backhand in comparision is not as lethal but still a very clean shot and consistent... Jenn, though not known to volley alot, has a good touch at the net too... one of the under-rated shot by her is actually the return of serve... good technique plus anticipation... though her returns may not end up as winners a la Serena... but the placement is definitely good enough for her to setup for the next point

Pengwin
Mar 4th, 2005, 05:03 PM
Seles:

Forehand CC
Forehand DTL
Backhand CC
Backhand DTL
(the order of those four is debatable but this is what I think)
Other
Into Out shots (she didn't need them becuase all her groundstrokes were so amazing)

matthieu_tennis
Mar 4th, 2005, 05:30 PM
Hingis
back hand Dtl (look the video hingis vs venus french open 98 you will understand why) :P
other ( her volley was so good drop shot lob)
inside out forehand
crosscourt back hand (very effective because she hit the ball flat and speedly)
forehand dtl i like her forehand dtl because with her top spin on the backhand of the oppenent that make her oppenent very unbalance
forehand crosscourt no enought straight it was too top spin

R&J
Mar 4th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Here is my opinion on Monica.

Monica Seles' groundstrokes:

Backhand CC
Forehand CC
Return of serve
Backhand DtL
Forehand DtL
Swing volley

Monica's Backhand crosscourt is the best backhand in the game, imo. She can create such angle, with power from that side ~ Just a phenomenal shot ~
Monica's forehand CC is also very strong. She use's that shot to really pull her opponent off the court and in the corner, and then she has the whole court to put it away. Even if Monica's forehand is a little off that day, that crosscourt shot is always there. She has won so many matches with using that shot to open up the court. And of course her return of serve has always been awesome (Dont want to give Monica a second serve, cause the point will be hers).

Dominic
Mar 4th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Bumb

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 24th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Aga Radwanska

1. Others (she's the master of all this stuff and I guess we can throw her "squat-shot" in here as well)
2. Backhand CC (particularly as a passing shot)
3. Forehand DTL (especially when used as an approach shot)
4. Backhand DTL
5. Forehand CC
6. Inside-out FH (does she even have this shot?)

DefyingGravity
Jul 24th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Ana Ivanovic

1. Forehand (inside out)
2. Forehand (down the line)
3. Forehand (cross court)
4. Backhand (cross court - junk slice)
5. Others
6. Backhand (down the line)

Cajka
Jul 24th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Ana Ivanovic

1. Forehand (inside out)
2. Forehand (down the line)
3. Forehand (cross court)
4. Backhand (cross court - junk slice)
5. Others
6. Backhand (down the line)

I agree with this. But I would say that "others" is better than any of her regular backhands. Junk slice belongs to "others" however. By the way, Ana's inside in forehands are also great.

JJ

1. backhand dtl
2. backhand inside out - this option wasn't listed, but she hits it very well
3. backhand cc
4. others (her forehands now belong to "others" :tape:)

Renalicious
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:07 AM
Caroline Wozniacki

1. BH CC
2. BH DTL
-
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3. Others
4. FH CC
5. FH DTL
6. FH Inside Out

spencercarlos
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:13 AM
Steffi
1. Inside-out forehand
2. forehand DTL
3. forehand crosscourt
4. others
5. backhand crosscourt
6. backhand DTL
...I never cared for Steffi's lobs, dropshots, and volley play but I had to rank "others" high on the list because of Steffi's AWESOME backhand slice. Steffi's slice remains one of the most under rated shots in the game. Of all her shot my favorite shot has to be her inside-out forehand- talk about a "deadly" shot!
Steffi backhand what? lol

Tezuka.
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:17 AM
Does every player have six deadly ground strokes?

Double A
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Aga Radwanska

1. Others (she's the master of all this stuff and I guess we can throw her "squat-shot" in here as well)
2. Backhand CC (particularly as a passing shot)
3. Forehand DTL (especially when used as an approach shot)
4. Backhand DTL
5. Forehand CC
6. Inside-out FH (does she even have this shot?)

She uses her inside-out FH frequently actually. It doesn't do too much damage though.

Cajka
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:25 AM
Does every player have six deadly ground strokes?

Yes, you can die while watching some of them.

Renalicious
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:28 AM
:spit: :spit: :spit:

Renalicious
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:31 AM
Dinara Safina

1. Backhand CC
2. Backhand DTL
3. Forehand CC
4. Forehand DTL
5. Forehand Inside Out
6. Others

Potato
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:39 AM
Aga Radwanska

1. Others (she's the master of all this stuff and I guess we can throw her "squat-shot" in here as well)
2. Backhand CC (particularly as a passing shot)
3. Forehand DTL (especially when used as an approach shot)
4. Backhand DTL
5. Forehand CC
6. Inside-out FH (does she even have this shot?)

reaching :tape:

Jankovic 2006-2010

1. BH DTL - This was her bread and butter back in the day, she disguised it very well, always tried to step into the backhand to ram it down the line for that extra power. Open stance she really just leaned into it sort of like Venus and hit it out of nowhere. Another way she used this shot was on the defence, she would get what seemed to be such an awkward shot and just cram it down the line and get the opponent in an defense position.
2. BH CC - The DTL got all the praise but this shot never seemed to be noticed. It wasn't ever a kill shot, but she could really get low into this shot and get flat angles to set up for her BH DTL or as a pass. She could take this as a half volley right off the bounce and get the opponent in a defensive position.
3. FH DTL - Another underrated shot, her FH DTL was key back in the day to keep the opponent moving from side to side, the way she times her forehand made it go DTL much more often, I love it when she gets really low into this shot on the run, no one really seems to hit the open stance FH DTL like she does.
4. Inside out FH - When JJ runs around her forehand on the ad side, it will go inside out 99% of the time. She can get a wider angle without as much power on this shot and she naturally likes to take shots a little bit later so she can lay into this shot better. The problem is that this shot is so predictable for her, even if she does flatten it out the opponent is already there. She is one of the few girls on tour who use a closed stance on this shot most of the time.
5. FH CC - Really difficult for JJ to flatten out the FH CC, the only thing she does particularly well with the FH CC is the low passing shot angle or the soft topspin angled FH CC. She never seems to be able to get the power and depth on this shot. Really is simply a rally shot for her.
6. Others - This is tough because JJ excels at some of the things in this category and is worst of all time in others. For example - conventional volleys - she always wants to play some crowd pleasing drop and half volleys and sometimes she gets away with it, but they are horrendous most of the time. Always drops the wrist when she needs to have a firm grip, and the backhand volley is atrocious, her weight is always falling back when it should be forward at net. She has superb drive volleys though (credit to Bolletieri :P) and had good instinct when putting those shots away. She has the best overhead of the Lost Generation. Also really good with the topspin lob, on both ends. And of course, her ability to slide was crucial since it helped her change direction so well.

Nicolás89
Jul 24th, 2012, 03:46 AM
Aga

1. Inside out forehand
2. Forehand down the line
3. Others
4. Forehand crosscourt
5. Backhand crosscourt
6. Backhand down the line

Caro

1. Backhand down the line
2. Backhand crooscourt
3. Forehand down the line
4. Forehand crosscourt
5. Others
6. Inside out forehand

Purple_Rain
Jul 24th, 2012, 06:47 AM
Pironkova
1. Backhand crosscourt
2. Others (slice FH, drop shot, lob)
3. Backhand DTL
4. Inside-out forehand
5. Forehand DTL
6. Forehand crosscourt

Not sure where to rank the FHs :lol: The only one she hits accurately (with pace) is a sitting short ball in the middle of the court across the low part of the net.

Lisicki
1. Mental toughness when converting BPs (kidding!)
1. Forehand crosscourt
2. Forehand DTL
3. Inside-out forehand
4. Backhand crosscourt
5. Others (drop shot quality has slowly declined since Wimby 2011)
6. Backhand DTL

Stonerpova
Jul 24th, 2012, 07:12 AM
Maria Sharapova

1. Backhand (crosscourt)
2. Backhand (down the line)
3. Forehand (crosscourt)
4. Forehand (inside-out)
5. Forehand (down the line)
6. Others

mm1147
Jul 24th, 2012, 07:29 AM
Mary Pierce

1.Forehand(crosscourt) probably the best in the game. much better than Steffi Graf
2.Backhand(crosscourt)
3.Backhand(down the line)
4.Forehand(down the line)
5.2nd serve (2nd best to serena williams)
6.her drop shots are very effective too

ViennaCalling
Jul 24th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Tamira

1. backhand (DTL) :drool:
2. backhand (crosscourt)
3. Forehand (crosscourt)
4. Forehand (DTL)
5. Inside Out Forehand
6. others= slice, lob, drop-shot, volley

Dominic
Jul 24th, 2012, 08:41 PM
If we are talking in terms of deadliness all of Sharapova's forehands are better than all her backhands. Maybe her backhand crosscourt creeps up among her forehands.

Break My Rapture
Jul 24th, 2012, 08:46 PM
If we are talking in terms of deadliness all of Sharapova's forehands are better than all her backhands. Maybe her backhand crosscourt creeps up among her forehands.
Accuracy, pace and percentage on Sharapova's BH all >>>>>>> Sharapova's FH.

Having said that, her FH was extremely good in RG this year.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 24th, 2012, 09:22 PM
Accuracy, pace and percentage on Sharapova's BH all >>>>>>> Sharapova's FH.

Having said that, her FH was extremely good in RG this year.

The way I see it its almost like Serena where u immediately think of the backhand and the forehand is underrated. With Serena the CC forehand is way more deadlier though- with Pova I would still say her CC backhand has to be ranked number one. With that said she's really hard to beat when she's got her CC forehand firing. Only problem is that as the years have gone by it's become more erratic.

But Maria's forehand DTL lives in the middle of the net and should be ranked low IMO.

Dominic
Jul 24th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Accuracy, pace and percentage on Sharapova's BH all >>>>>>> Sharapova's FH.

Having said that, her FH was extremely good in RG this year.

You should watch her more often, Maria hits WAAAY more winners and forces way more errors with her forehand than her backhand. If you wanna talk about consistency, then that's another story, but deadliness. especially when she's at her peak or close to it, forehand crosscourt and inside out beat the backhands. It goes something like this

1- Forehand crosscourt
2- Forehand Inside out
3- Backhand crosscourt
4- Forehand down the line
5- Backhand down the line (she rarely hits winners with this compared to the other groundies)
6- Others

There was a stat at AO 2008 I think, she had hit something like 120 winners off the fh and like 20 with the bh.

chingching
Jul 24th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Anett:
Forehand DTL
Backhand Cross
Backhand DTL
Forehand Cross
Inside Out Forehand
Others

IMO, this is slightly misleading as Anett is a good volleyer and lobber, but can't slice for shit :lol:
And her Forehand Cross and Backhand DTL are basically the same :)

Kaia Kanepi:
Forehand Crosscourt
Backhand DTL
Forehand DTL
Off Forehand
Backhand Crosscourt
Others

Again, most of her strokes are of equal value :)

I can also do many Juniors as I have seen quite a few Livestreams :)

MrProdigy555
Jul 24th, 2012, 10:29 PM
I love Serena's inside out backhand. No one hits that shot like her.

Break My Rapture
Jul 24th, 2012, 11:09 PM
You should watch her more often, Maria hits WAAAY more winners and forces way more errors with her forehand than her backhand. If you wanna talk about consistency, then that's another story, but deadliness. especially when she's at her peak or close to it, forehand crosscourt and inside out beat the backhands. It goes something like this

1- Forehand crosscourt
2- Forehand Inside out
3- Backhand crosscourt
4- Forehand down the line
5- Backhand down the line (she rarely hits winners with this compared to the other groundies)
6- Others

There was a stat at AO 2008 I think, she had hit something like 120 winners off the fh and like 20 with the bh.
I think you should watch her more often. :lol:

Her BH was the sole reason why was she was not losing left and right back in 2009 to early 2011. Afterwards she started adding more spin to her FH to prevent it from becoming erratic. Maria's FH technique (the helicopter swing one) is downright bad and limits the potential of her FH compared to when she hits it in her regular full swing. At RG this year, she nearly banned out the helicopter technique and started implementing early racquet head preparation for her full FH swing, as a result she was hitting monster FHs time and time again. Her FH becomes so much less good when she implements the helicopter technique on regular rally shots, which she used to do a lot before the surgery. Even now, it's still more vulnerable and tends to break down more than her BH while she hits her BH at full speed and as flat as a pancake 99% of the time. Maria's BH is literally a line-painter, it's that accurate. Her FH isn't even close to becoming as good on a day to day basis, I'm afraid.

The Dawntreader
Jul 24th, 2012, 11:46 PM
:lol: at Pova's forehand being hyped up.

Pova's forehand basically sucks on every surface other than clay at present. Can't hit through the ball in high-paced rallies any more, and is basically is forced to try and half volley on any kind of fast surface. On clay, she has a great deal more time, and the added spin she has put on the FH in recent years allows her to gain some leverage on that wing.

It's all about the backhand and serve for Pova. The forehand is secondary to both those shots when they're working.

madmax
Jul 24th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I think you should watch her more often. :lol:

Her BH was the sole reason why was she was not losing left and right back in 2009 to early 2011. Afterwards she started adding more spin to her FH to prevent it from becoming erratic. Maria's FH technique (the helicopter swing one) is downright bad and limits the potential of her FH compared to when she hits it in her regular full swing. At RG this year, she nearly banned out the helicopter technique and started implementing early racquet head preparation for her full FH swing, as a result she was hitting monster FHs time and time again. Her FH becomes so much less good when she implements the helicopter technique on regular rally shots, which she used to do a lot before the surgery. Even now, it's still more vulnerable and tends to break down more than her BH while she hits her BH at full speed and as flat as a pancake 99% of the time. Maria's BH is literally a line-painter, it's that accurate. Her FH isn't even close to becoming as good on a day to day basis, I'm afraid.

yet Maria still hits WAY more winners with her FH as opposed to BH...lately she uses her BH as more of a rallying stroke to set up her FH - that's why she's become such a tremendous player on traditional red clay:wavey:

Cajka
Jul 25th, 2012, 12:03 AM
yet Maria still hits WAY more winners with her FH as opposed to BH...

almost every player does

Break My Rapture
Jul 25th, 2012, 12:09 AM
yet Maria still hits WAY more winners with her FH as opposed to BH...lately she uses her BH as more of a rallying stroke to set up her FH - that's why she's become such a tremendous player on traditional red clay:wavey:
Like I said, she was cracking FH winners all over the place at RG. Clay is the ideal surface for her FH now. But on fast HCs and grass, her BH is what wins her the matches. For example, she won last year's Cincinnati final pretty much exclusively on the merit of her BH because her BH was the one shot damaging Jankovic.

Potato
Jul 25th, 2012, 12:16 AM
Maria's FH is best on clay, because she has time to set up, step in and hit the normal follow through. On faster courts she has to take more half volleys and she does that with her fugly reverse forehand, which has less control, less power, and is more injury prone. Her backhand has always been the deadlier shot, because she can get so much left hand into it.

Miss Amor
Jul 25th, 2012, 01:20 AM
For me, Martha's BH is her more deadlier wing. Not just because of how good it is, but because she makes it count. Its her clutch wing. On bps, gps, sps, mps, return points at 30-30, its the wing that comes through for her more often than not. Thats what wins her matches (along with her serve).

During her super consistent stretch in 2005-2006, its what separated her from the other players. Her BH CC and BH return would almost always hit the target on important points.

MrProdigy555
Jul 25th, 2012, 01:23 AM
For me, Martha's BH is her more deadlier wing. Not just because of how good it is, but because she makes it count. Its her clutch wing. On bps, gps, sps, mps, return points at 30-30, its the wing that comes through for her more often than not. Thats what wins her matches (along with her serve).

During her super consistent stretch in 2005-2006, its what separated her from the other players. Her BH CC and BH return would almost always hit the target on important points.
.......:lol:

Ryan
Jul 25th, 2012, 01:38 AM
.......:lol:


Why is that so funny? Cow's Backhand is definitely her more consistent wing.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 25th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Why is that so funny? Cow's Backhand is definitely her more consistent wing.

I didn't get the laughing icon either UNTIl I saw Serena walking through the bottom of Bradbury's signature carrying 5 Wimby plates and then when I saw the wigs I couldn't stop laughing. I'm pretty sure that's what he/she is laughing at. That's what I was laughing at anyway..

Lord Choc Ice
Jul 25th, 2012, 02:20 AM
DEMENTIEVA:

1. Forehand cross-court
2. Forehand inside out.
3. Backhand cross-court.
4. Forehand down-the-line.
5. Backhand down-the-line.
6. Others.

Dominic
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:14 AM
:lol: Anyone who has said Maria's backhand in deadlier than her forehand is proven wrong by the statistics in pretty much all her matches (on every surface, no exception), She always hits waaaay more forehand winners and very often runs around her backhand to hit a forehand..

I don't care what anyone says about her backhand being more consistent blah blah, she hits more winners and forces more errors with her forehand and it's not even close. That is what deadlier means.

Dominic
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:31 AM
almost every player does

Yup that's way the vast majority of tennis players have deadlier forehands than backhands.

denny5576
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:45 AM
Does every player have six deadly ground strokes?
Thank you for the first serious question in this thread.
The answer is obvious - of course not. Most of the already listed players have only one or maximum two such shots.

Steven.
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:55 AM
dom, the better wing doesn't really mean which wing you hit more winners from but. Maria's crosscourt BH is the heaviest of all of her shots and she generates so much pace off it and so much angle. It's her go-to shot and quite frankly one of the best crosscourt backhanders on the tour (alongside Clijsters and Serena).

for Maria,
1. Backhand crosscourt
2. Forehand inside out
3. Forehand crosscourt
4. Backhand down the line
5. Forehand down the line
6. Others

denny5576
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:59 AM
:lol: Anyone who has said Maria's backhand in deadlier than her forehand is proven wrong by the statistics in pretty much all her matches (on every surface, no exception), She always hits waaaay more forehand winners and very often runs around her backhand to hit a forehand..

I don't care what anyone says about her backhand being more consistent blah blah, she hits more winners and forces more errors with her forehand and it's not even close. That is what deadlier means.

It is normal for nearly any player to have more FH winners than BH.
If you'll compare UE you also will see Maria's FH errors are much more than BX.
The winners must not be used as a criterion because they are usually an end of a combination of shots.

Dominic
Jul 25th, 2012, 06:21 AM
Ok well it depends on what the OP meant, consistency and deadliness are definitely not the same... Maria's forehand almost always makes more damage (and yes more UE's) than her backhand, therefore it is deadlier.

denny5576
Jul 25th, 2012, 06:35 AM
Ok well it depends on what the OP meant, consistency and deadliness are definitely not the same... Maria's forehand almost always makes more damage (and yes more UE's) than her backhand, therefore it is deadlier.

Many times Maria loses matches because of her FH, very rare because of her BH. But without exact definition of "deadliest" it is meaningless to argue.

denny5576
Jul 25th, 2012, 06:47 AM
Both cross court shots (FH and BH) should be two: short and long depending on which diagonal is used.
The most deadliest shots now are Serena's and Kvitova's short cross FH, Stosur's and Kvitova's FH down the line, Maria's short cross BH, Serena's serve

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 25th, 2012, 06:57 AM
Many times Maria loses matches because of her FH, very rare because of her BH. But without exact definition of "deadliest" it is meaningless to argue.

If it helps any, when I started this thread I was defying "deadliest" as effectiveness as a weapon. The shot that is most effective in winning points. A solid heavy deep shot can be just as effective as an outright winner if that shot is used to set up the winning shot (Justines backhand).

Instead of saying a player doesn't lose because of a shot I would take it the other way and ask- what shot most helped player "x" win her match.

If I'm adding my two cents in I will say Pova's CC backhand (especially the short angle she hits) wins her more matches than any other shot. But IMO her CC Forehand wins her more matches than her backhand DTL.

Stonerpova
Jul 25th, 2012, 06:58 AM
almost every player does

THANK YOU.

Maria's backhand is better than her forehand, guys, especially on anything other than clay.

Dominic
Jul 25th, 2012, 02:53 PM
There is a reason why most players hit more forehand winners than backhand winners Griffin lol.

Ppl should stop acting like Maria's helicopter forehand is so attrocious or something, every tennis player uses it sometimes, more so on the run.

MrProdigy555
Jul 25th, 2012, 03:05 PM
In my mind deadliest means debilitating/overpowering/SICKENING(!)..and I see Maria's backhand stun people more often than the forehand.

BUT, I do see the other side as well.

J4m3ka
Jul 25th, 2012, 03:09 PM
Yes, Maria may hit more winners off the FH side but she's able to do that because most of the time, her BH CC has pulled her opponent off the court leaving an easy FH into open space. So I'd say that it's her BH that has done the damage and is more lethal. :shrug:

Break My Rapture
Jul 25th, 2012, 03:22 PM
Ok well it depends on what the OP meant, consistency and deadliness are definitely not the same... Maria's forehand almost always makes more damage (and yes more UE's) than her backhand, therefore it is deadlier.
It's really not. Her BH is a lot more penetrating, accurate and reliable than her FH. She still misses more FHs than BHs generally even though her FH is more safeguarded by topspin and she plays it less risky.

And I also disagree with you saying most people hit more winners with their FHs than BHs. Generally on the WTA, a lot of these women have a terribly erratic FH that is not even half as technically sound as their BH, and they score most of their winners with the BH.

pierce85
Jul 25th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Could you all please stop making every thread a Maria Sharapova debate? Are you all obsessed or have some kind of psychosis with her?

MrProdigy555
Jul 25th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Could you all please stop making every thread a Maria Sharapova debate? Are you all obsessed or have some kind of psychosis with her?
This isn't even a negative debate. lol. It's actually more complimentary if anything. Calm down. This is a tennis forum, let them (us) talk tennis if they (we) want to.

pierce85
Jul 25th, 2012, 04:01 PM
This isn't even a negative debate. lol. It's actually more complimentary if anything. Calm down. This is a tennis forum, let them (us) talk tennis if they (we) want to.


First of all I'm not a Sharapova fan. I'm just tired of her stans and her haters, could there be any thread without her name being mentioned by one of the two groups and the inevitable fight between them that follows?

Olórin
Jul 25th, 2012, 04:06 PM
First of all I'm not a Sharapova fan. I'm just tired of her stans and her haters, could there be any thread without her name being mentioned by one of the two groups and the inevitable fight between them that follows?

This thread entails a legitimate debate regarding a top player. Isn't that the point of the thread and the forum in general? :confused:

Miss Amor
Jul 25th, 2012, 04:11 PM
If it helps any, when I started this thread I was defying "deadliest" as effectiveness as a weapon. The shot that is most effective in winning points. A solid heavy deep shot can be just as effective as an outright winner if that shot is used to set up the winning shot (Justines backhand).




And Maria's FH is definitely not that shot.

MrProdigy555
Jul 25th, 2012, 04:13 PM
First of all I'm not a Sharapova fan. I'm just tired of her stans and her haters, could there be any thread without her name being mentioned by one of the two groups and the inevitable fight between them that follows?
I wrote out a response, but it isn't worth creating side argument. lol. I'll just say "okay" and keep moving.

pierce85
Jul 25th, 2012, 04:20 PM
This thread entails a legitimate debate regarding a top player. Isn't that the point of the thread and the forum in general? :confused:


Please, do you suggest that every time her name gets mentioned, posters exchange arguments in a civilized manner and we all reach a point of agreement :lol:


We all know what happens, there will be that one poster who insults Sharapova as a player and then we will witness insults and gifs flooding the thread

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 25th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Could you all please stop making every thread a Maria Sharapova debate? Are you all obsessed or have some kind of psychosis with her?

What a very odd and unnecessary comment. This is a rare thread in that it's over 100 responses long and not a single negative comment. Just friendly and intelligent discussions about groundstrokes. isn't that the entire point of a DISCUSSION board? :confused:

I find it interesting that with most other players mentioned here there seems to be more of a general consensus- but with Pova most agree her CC backhand is her power shot- but after that a serious debate over her forehand strokes and the rest of her shots have people split- differences of opinions isn't a bad thing my friend. There's no wrongs and rights just opinions..

denny5576
Jul 25th, 2012, 08:00 PM
This is a rare thread in that it's over 100 responses long and not a single negative comment. Just friendly and intelligent discussions about groundstrokes. isn't that the entire point of a DISCUSSION board?

You are absolutely correct. It is really a pleasure to exchange opinions in such thread. My "Thanks" to everybody!

Dominic
Jul 26th, 2012, 05:03 AM
It's really not. Her BH is a lot more penetrating, accurate and reliable than her FH. She still misses more FHs than BHs generally even though her FH is more safeguarded by topspin and she plays it less risky.

And I also disagree with you saying most people hit more winners with their FHs than BHs. Generally on the WTA, a lot of these women have a terribly erratic FH that is not even half as technically sound as their BH, and they score most of their winners with the BH.

Her backhand is more reliable in general but it's not more penetrating or accurate. On average, her forehand is more powerful (as it's the case for the the vast majority of players)

Dude you're not even arguing against me here. Those are facts, if you don't believe me, all I gotta say is take, for instance Maria, Serena, Venus etc. and count their forehand and backhand winners in matches. (players who "supposedly" have a better backhand than forehand) The forehand almost always gets more winners and forces more errors easily. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which side is the "deadliest" knowing these stats.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 26th, 2012, 05:49 AM
Her backhand is more reliable in general but it's not more penetrating or accurate. On average, her forehand is more powerful (as it's the case for the the vast majority of players)

Dude you're not even arguing against me here. Those are facts, if you don't believe me, all I gotta see is take, for instance Maria, Serena, Venus etc. and count their forehand and backhand winners in matches. (players who "supposedly" have a better backhand than forehand) The forehand almost always gets more winners and forces more errors easily. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which side is the "deadliest" knowing these stats.

The only problem with that is that the stats won't tell us if it was the forehand CC, DTL, or Inside-out. So for the purposes of this thread, simply saying 'backhand vs. forehand' is too general.

binky-GOAT
Jul 26th, 2012, 06:18 AM
On average, her forehand is more powerful (as it's the case for the the vast majority of players)

On ATP yes, on WTA definitely not. Most girls can get more power on the backhand.

Dominic
Jul 26th, 2012, 06:40 AM
On ATP yes, on WTA definitely not. Most girls can get more power on the backhand.

Lol I'm sorry but that is just not true. Just about every girl (and guy) can hit her forehand harder than her backhand, for physics reasons. There are also stats on this, forehands are on average hit harder thand backhands and the fastest groundstrokes in matches are all forehands. There have been articles and stats on this, I'll try to find the sources..

So Disrespectful
Jul 26th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Daniela Hantuchova

1. Backhand down the line
2. Off-forehand
3. Dropshot
4. Forehand drive volleys
5. Backhand drive volleys
6. Others

Break My Rapture
Jul 26th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Her backhand is more reliable in general but it's not more penetrating or accurate. On average, her forehand is more powerful (as it's the case for the the vast majority of players)

Dude you're not even arguing against me here. Those are facts, if you don't believe me, all I gotta say is take, for instance Maria, Serena, Venus etc. and count their forehand and backhand winners in matches. (players who "supposedly" have a better backhand than forehand) The forehand almost always gets more winners and forces more errors easily. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which side is the "deadliest" knowing these stats.
:facepalm: I'm not going to continue with someone who says Sharapova's BH is less penetrating and accurate than her FH. I'm sorry but that's just baffling, in a bad way.
Lol I'm sorry but that is just not true. Just about every girl (and guy) can hit her forehand harder than her backhand, for physics reasons. There are also stats on this, forehands are on average hit harder thand backhands and the fastest groundstrokes in matches are all forehands. There have been articles and stats on this, I'll try to find the sources..
Nearly every girl on the WTA hits her BH harder than her FH, because they get to use both their hands/arms for extra racquethead speed and control. Most of these girls' FH are inconsistent messes because the technique isn't very sound.

Dominic
Jul 26th, 2012, 04:01 PM
Oh god! all I gotta say is get informed before saying stuff like that. Every single word of your last post is wrong. It just seems like you keep confusing reliability or consistency with power.