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Fedcup
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:28 PM
These are the bets on bookmaker bet365 to win the french open 2004


Serena Williams 2.50
Justine Henin 3.00
Kim Clijsters 4.33
Venus Williams 6.00
Amelie Mauresmo 21.00
Jennifer Capriati 26.00
Anastasa Myskina 26.00
Maria sharapova 41.00
Lindsay Davenport 41.00
Svetlana Kuznetsova 41.00


I don't get it why they put Serena above Justine.
That's not much respect for Justine her clay capabilities

alextreiber04
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:31 PM
:tape: I'm not going to say it because I'll be clobbered by Justine-fans. :tape:

Havok
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:31 PM
I don't get why Sharapova even made it onto that list and they gave her the same odds as Davenport. Now there's no way Lindsay is winning RG, but she's got a much better shot at it than Maria does:retard:

Stefwhit
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:46 PM
I don't get it why they put Serena above Justine.
That's not much respect for Justine her clay capabilities

I think because Justine won it last year, and taking into account the likely hood of a first time winner winning it back to back, I can see (from an odd-makers stand point,) why Serena is slightly favored. It's not meant as a dis to Justine, it's nothing personal at all- it's a business based on weighing in on all the facts and calculating likelyhoods.

Based on the ones listed here, I think the oddmakers did a descent job in getting it correct- as close as one can get.

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:48 PM
:tape: I'm not going to say it because I'll be clobbered by Justine-fans. :tape:
me either

XMan
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Such a list is not a measure of the chances a player has to win the tournament, it's a combination of these chances AND the number of people that will bet on them (which is doesn't always reflect their chances because of nationalism, favorism, etc.). They calculate how many money they would lose if a certain player wins the tournament and based on that they define the odds. Sharapova is probably a popular player in the betting community, that's why she is on the list. And Serena is probably more popular then Justine.

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:50 PM
These are the bets on bookmaker bet365 to win the french open 2004


Serena Williams 2.50
Justine Henin 3.00
Kim Clijsters 4.33
Venus Williams 6.00
Amelie Mauresmo 21.00
Jennifer Capriati 26.00
Anastasa Myskina 26.00
Maria sharapova 41.00
Lindsay Davenport 41.00
Svetlana Kuznetsova 41.00


I don't get it why they put Serena above Justine.
That's not much respect for Justine her clay capabilities
Its all about money. We know who the better clay courter is obviously. Has anyone got the mens cos i reckon Federer will be ahead of Ferrero when we also know the story there....

Stefwhit
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Its all about money. We know who the better clay courter is obviously. Has anyone got the mens cos i reckon Federer will be ahead of Ferrero when we also know the story there....
Keep in mind, that the bookmakers are not a third party, they're on the side of the house and want to maximize profit. It's does them no good to lower the odds on a player they think has better odds- that makes no sense at all. Based on all the things XMan said it seems they had their reasons for giving Serena the "best" odds of winning.

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:57 PM
Its all about money. We know who the better clay courter is obviously. Has anyone got the mens cos i reckon Federer will be ahead of Ferrero when we also know the story there....
do we know why? Federer is a better player than Ferrero regardless of surface

now relate that to these odds :)

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 07:59 PM
do we know why? Federer is a better player than Ferrero regardless of surface

now relate that to these odds :)
Don't think so. Even the arrogant Federer fans in the mens forum accept that Ferrero is a better clay courter :)

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Don't think so. Even the arrogant Federer fans in the mens forum accept that Ferrero is a better clay courter :)
Ruano Pascual is a better "clay courter" than Serena, what's your point? :confused:

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Ruano Pascual is a better "clay courter" than Serena, what's your point? :confused:
Yes, she has an amazing record on clay :confused:

Federer is a great player but he has done nothing on clay to suggest he is as good as Coria or Agassi let alone Ferrero(who is the best, and best looking :hearts: )

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:10 PM
this is RG betting from Stan James


MEN
Ferrero, Juan Carlos 7/2
Coria, Guillermo 4/1
Federer, Roger 5/1
Moya, Carlos 10/1
Agassi, Andre 14/1
Safin, Marat 14/1
Roddick, Andy 20/1
Nalbandian, David 20/1
Gonzalez, Fernando 20/1
Hewitt, Lleyton 20/1
Kuerten, Gustavo 25/1
Nadal, Rafael 33/1
Calleri, Agustin 33/1
Gaudio, Gaston 50/1
Costa, Albert 50/1
Grosjean, Sebastien 50/1
Gasquet, Richard 50/1
Massu, Nicolas 50/1
Canas, Guillermo 50/1
Robredo, Tommy 66/1
Mantilla, Felix 66/1
Zabaleta, Mariano 66/1
Escude, Nicolas 66/1
Chela, Juan Ignacio 66/1
Hrbaty, Dominik 66/1
Volandri, Filippo 80/1
Schalken, Sjeng 80/1
Ginepri, Robby 80/1
Ljubicic, Ivan 80/1
Acasuso, Jose 100/1
Saretta, Flavio 100/1
Ferrer, David 100/1
Corretja, Alex 100/1
Davydenko, Nikolay 100/1
Verkerk, Martin 100/1
Philippoussis, Mark 100/1
Nieminen, Jarkko 100/1
Schuettler, Rainer 100/1
Martin, Alberto 150/1
Pavel, Andrei 150/1
Portas, Albert 200/1

- L i n a -
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Shyperova as high as Davenport and Kuznetsova...

Well, at least real tennis fans can take advantage of people without brains.

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Yes, she has an amazing record on clay :confused:

Federer is a great player but he has done nothing on clay to suggest he is as good as Coria or Agassi let alone Ferrero(who is the best, and best looking :hearts: )
would you bet on Ruano Pascual before you bet on Serena? i wouldn't a) cuz i like my money, and b) Serena is just the better player. that's why she'd be ahead of Ruano Pascual in the betting odds, now relate that to the Henin bit :)

re Federer vs Coria and Agassi and Ferrero, let's just say if they play in a few weeks, i wouldnt be surprised if the results went either way :shrug:

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Ferrero, Juan Carlos 7/2
Coria, Guillermo 4/1
Federer, Roger 5/1

Thats sense ;)

ghosts
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:15 PM
go Serena and Juan Carlos ;)

fifiricci
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:16 PM
:tape: I'm not going to say it because I'll be clobbered by Justine-fans. :tape:
Quite, I'm surprised they havent already started a hate thread against Bet 365, for sure!! :lol:

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:17 PM
would you bet on Ruano Pascual before you bet on Serena? i wouldn't a) cuz i like my money, and b) Serena is just the better player. that's why she'd be ahead of Ruano Pascual in the betting odds, now relate that to the Henin bit
While i respect what u are saying, Runal Pascual is not in the same class as a player like Henin. I know that so far in her career, Serena has done more than Justine, but i just think Justine has her number on clay as Serena is a bit impatient.

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:18 PM
re Federer vs Coria and Agassi and Ferrero, let's just say if they play in a few weeks, i wouldnt be surprised if the results went either way :shrug:
Agassi will be lucky to win about 6-7 games in 5 sets vs Ferrero on clay

last time they met on clay he ran off crying cos it was spitting slightly, but every other court carried on playing. :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:19 PM
NOW this is funny :tape: :haha: :rolls:
Ladbrokes.com

JC Ferrero 5/2
G Coria 5/1
R Federer 5/1
A Roddick 10/1 :haha: :tape: :rolls: :haha:
C Moya 10/1
A Agassi 12/1
M Safin 12/1
G Kuerten 14/1
D Nalbandian 16/1
F Gonzalez 16/1
A Calleri 20/1
L Hewitt 20/1
G Gaudio 25/1
R Nadal 25/1
F Lopez 33/1
A Costa 40/1
G Canas 40/1
N Massu 40/1
S Grosjean 40/1
T Robredo 50/1
A Corretja 66/1
F Mantilla 66/1
M Zabaleta 66/1
T Haas 66/1
J I Chela 80/1
J Novak 80/1
M Rios 80/1
M Verkerk 80/1
Y El Aynaoui 80/1
A Pavel 100/1
M Philippoussis 100/1
R Schuettler 100/1
S Schalken 100/1
T Henman 100/1

CanadianBoy21
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Justine is not as superior as you guys make her out to be.
She won a match BARELY against Serena, where Justine played really well.
Serena on the other hand played a very awful first set, okay second set, and a slopppy third set, had the crowd against her, her serve was off, etc...
Please make it clear how Justine is better than Serena. She BARELY beat her. And Serena cleaned the floor with her a month after. Yes it was Wimbledon, but had Serena come out with the same attitude at French as she did at Wimby, it would have been OVER. So, you can count on Serena not to make the same mistake twice.

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Agassi will be lucky to win about 6-7 games in 5 sets vs Ferrero on clay

last time they met on clay he ran off crying cos it was spitting slightly, but every other court carried on playing. :rolleyes:
yea ok, but i was talking about Rogi vs Andre/Guillermo/Juanqui :)

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Agassi will be lucky to win about 6-7 games in 5 sets vs Ferrero on clay

last time they met on clay he ran off crying cos it was spitting slightly, but every other court carried on playing. :rolleyes:
Yes Ferrero is definately a better player than Agassi now, on all surfaces. On clay, I'm afraid Ferrero would just destroy him.

The match i would like to see is Ferrero v Roddick, hmmm, wonder what would happen there :tape:

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:22 PM
While i respect what u are saying, Runal Pascual is not in the same class as a player like Henin. I know that so far in her career, Serena has done more than Justine, but i just think Justine has her number on clay as Serena is a bit impatient.
i was just highlighting my point. Serena is higher than Ruano pascual because she's a better player. as for Henin, i'm not gonna say it :)

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:24 PM
Yes Ferrero is definately a better player than Agassi now, on all surfaces. On clay, I'm afraid Ferrero would just destroy him.

The match i would like to see is Ferrero v Roddick, hmmm, wonder what would happen there :tape:
Ferrero beating Agassi on rebound ace? hmmmm don't see it.(i know the surface is hardcourt but you get my point).

Ferrero vs Andy on clay? only one winner. as for the other three surfaces, it's rather the Serena/Henin story :)

- L i n a -
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:24 PM
Eggy, stop being biased against Duck Boy...

If freaking Verkerk can get to the final... Duck can certainly win it.

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Ferrero beating Agassi on rebound ace? hmmmm don't see it.(i know the surface is hardcourt but you get my point).

Ferrero vs Andy on clay? only one winner. as for the other three surfaces, it's rather the Serena/Henin story :)
Rebound ace maybe, i just feel that Agassi is past his best now, and Ferrero has more to come. I love both players btw, just stating my opinion.

As for Roddick-Ferrero on other surfaces, i think Ferrero can beat him on of them at his best.

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:29 PM
French Open betting
http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/bettingzone/mode:o.card:cc16523x.odds:166073x.sid:326048


Serena Williams 6/4
Justine Henin-Hardenne 2
Kim Clijsters 10/3
Venus Williams 5
Amelie Mauresmo 20
Jennifer Capriati 25
Anastasia Myskina 25
Lindsay Davenport 40
Sveltana Kuznetsova 40
Maria Sharapova 40
Vera Zvonareva 66
Daniela Hantuchova 80
Nadia Petrova 80
Chanda Rubin 80
Jelena Dokic 100

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Eggy, stop being biased against Duck Boy...

If freaking Verkerk can get to the final... Duck can certainly win it.
The Face can actually play on the clay and its his best surface where as the Duck :tape: :lol:

i wanna see Ferrero vs Roddick on clay one day, only way its gonna happen is in Davis Cup.

SJW
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:32 PM
Rebound ace maybe, i just feel that Agassi is past his best now, and Ferrero has more to come. I love both players btw, just stating my opinion.

As for Roddick-Ferrero on other surfaces, i think Ferrero can beat him on of them at his best.
both playing their best on hc i would give Andy 55/45

on grass though, both playing their best, i think Andy would win more often than not

- L i n a -
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:33 PM
The Face can actually play on the clay and its his best surface where as the Duck :tape: :lol:

i wanna see Ferrero vs Roddick on clay one day, only way its gonna happen is in Davis Cup.
Roddick = 4 Clay Titles.

tennisIlove09
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:35 PM
So, before anyone has even played on clay, we have French bets? Some one have too much time on their hands?

Crazy_Fool
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Roddick = 4 Clay Titles.
Sampras won clay titles you know :tape: . didn't mean he could play well on the dirt. Besides, who did Roddick beat to claim these titles(please don't say a 19yr old Coria)

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Roddick = 4 Clay Titles.
all mickey mouse titles. even Henman could have won those :tape: ( i think :o :eek: )

when he wins a TMS (or a Barcelona which he'll never play cos its harder to win than even Roland Garros or any TMS)

- L i n a -
Apr 5th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Sampras won clay titles you know :tape: . didn't mean he could play well on the dirt. Besides, who did Roddick beat to claim these titles(please don't say a 19yr old Coria)
A 19 year old Coria.

I think it's wrong to dismiss the asshole. He's much more consistent, even since last year... and it's still possible to serve people off the court.

Epigone
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:12 PM
French Open betting
http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/bettingzone/mode:o.card:cc16523x.odds:166073x.sid:326048 (http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/bettingzone/mode<img%20src=)

Anastasia Myskina 25
Sveltana Kuznetsova 40
Maria Sharapova 40
Vera Zvonareva 66
Nadia Petrova 80Sharapova's odds are better than those of a quarter finalist and semi finalist from last year? :scratch: At those odds, I'd be putting my money on Vera and Nadia.

- L i n a -
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Sharapova's odds are better than those of a quarter finalist and semi finalist from last year? :scratch: At those odds, I'd be putting my money on Vera and Nadia.
Those 2 aren't as cool as Maria, though.

croat123
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:23 PM
maria's odds are a bit too high

sprem should be on the list at 6/5 ;)

:o at roddick and moya having the same odds. roddick won 3 titles on green clay where is highest ranked opponent probably wasn't in the top30 and then he won some really weak european event where he beat sanchez in the finals (which was shocking cuase i think that's his best clay court win). goran or pete will make a comeback and take rg before the duck wins it.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:31 PM
While i respect what u are saying, Runal Pascual is not in the same class as a player like Henin. I know that so far in her career, Serena has done more than Justine, but i just think Justine has her number on clay as Serena is a bit impatient.

Barely, barely...I give the egde to Justine, but Serena is bound to win one of thos close-matches one of these days.

saki
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:42 PM
Those 2 aren't as cool as Maria, though.
:lol:

I think the odds are a bit strange. I would have had Serena and Justine as joint favourites as they are very evenly matched on clay. There's no way that Maria Sharapova should be given the same odds as Lindsay Davenport and Sveta either. I don't think that any of those three will win but you've got to give Lindsay and Sveta better odds than Maria... Am I the only one who thinks that Myskina is also a little underestimated? She's in better form than Capriati by quite some way, she's beaten both Kim and Justine much more recently too. Given how long Amelie's been out for, even though she's a better claycourter (and overall player) than Myskina, I'd have expected Myskina and Mauresmo to be given the same odds.

Oh, well, it's very possible that the people calculating the odds have their own biases.

esquímaux
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:45 PM
I'd put my money on Justine....Justine Bourdon that is :p

Couver
Apr 5th, 2004, 09:57 PM
Wow with the way this board and the tennis world has been acting I was expecting to see Venus 30584347084348506754.

propi
Apr 5th, 2004, 10:09 PM
all mickey mouse titles. even Henman could have won those :tape: ( i think :o :eek: )

when he wins a TMS (or a Barcelona which he'll never play cos its harder to win than even Roland Garros or any TMS)
I don't think Roddick will be seen in Barcelona... you know only the possibility of losing against some Spanish qualifier not known is scary :o

AntiWilliamsEst.
Apr 5th, 2004, 10:48 PM
isn't this a WTA forum???? lol

Havok
Apr 5th, 2004, 11:02 PM
maria's odds are a bit too high

sprem should be on the list at 6/5 ;)

:o at roddick and moya having the same odds. roddick won 3 titles on green clay where is highest ranked opponent probably wasn't in the top30 and then he won some really weak european event where he beat sanchez in the finals (which was shocking cuase i think that's his best clay court win). goran or pete will make a comeback and take rg before the duck wins it.lets get our facts straight:tape: two of his clay titles were green, not all 4. and he beat Davydenko in the european clay tournament finals. wow your memory of the duck is awesome:yeah: im surprised you don't know these things, as your world revolves around him. that being said, he's gotta do something during the big clay tournies to have any shot at all to win RG (highly unlikely, but I'm not ruling anyone out of anything at this point) and nice little Goran slip there, just can't get enough of that nothing but a serve dude huh:D

Jackson.
Apr 5th, 2004, 11:54 PM
I'd put my money on Justine ;)

for-sure
Apr 6th, 2004, 12:02 AM
SERENA WILL WIN And JUSTINE will be sent home crying and empty handed.

tenn_ace
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:08 AM
Maria higher than Sveta? :rolleyes: that goes directly to credibility...

alexusjonesfan
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:22 AM
IMG's hype on Masha is paying off ;)

Other than that, I'm not surprised that more people would bet on Serena winning RG than Justine.

jay_k
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:30 AM
I just can't wait to see a Justine -Serena matchup on clay. I hope they both make it to the final this week.

_KidmaN_
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:40 AM
for me it's to early to talking about bets on roland garros, but if i have to :) i think Justine or Serena will win it :) Currently bet on Amelia Island and Casablanca tournaments :) Good luck to all ppl in their bets :)

Jericho
Apr 6th, 2004, 01:40 AM
it will be a Venus vs. Kim final...Venus will save 50 MPs after being down 0-6 0-5 0-40

LeonHart
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:04 AM
Vera Z. has a higher chance to win RG than Masha or Kuznetsova IMO...

ys
Apr 6th, 2004, 02:23 AM
French Open betting
http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/bettingzone/mode:o.card:cc16523x.odds:166073x.sid:326048 (http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/bettingzone/mode<img%20src=)


Serena Williams 6/4
Justine Henin-Hardenne 2
Kim Clijsters 10/3
Venus Williams 5
Amelie Mauresmo 20
Jennifer Capriati 25
Anastasia Myskina 25
Lindsay Davenport 40
Sveltana Kuznetsova 40
Maria Sharapova 40
Vera Zvonareva 66
Daniela Hantuchova 80
Nadia Petrova 80
Chanda Rubin 80
Jelena Dokic 100
At 1/66 I will be happy to bet on a the player who won the biggest total of matches on clay last season.

Sharapova better chances on clay than Zvonareva or Petrova? Some great stuff they are smoking over there..

Fedcup
Apr 6th, 2004, 11:55 AM
Justine is not as superior as you guys make her out to be.
She won a match BARELY against Serena, where Justine played really well.
Serena on the other hand played a very awful first set, okay second set, and a slopppy third set, had the crowd against her, her serve was off, etc...
Please make it clear how Justine is better than Serena. She BARELY beat her. And Serena cleaned the floor with her a month after. Yes it was Wimbledon, but had Serena come out with the same attitude at French as she did at Wimby, it would have been OVER. So, you can count on Serena not to make the same mistake twice.
Uhm she lost a month before the french on clay at Charleston against a certain Henin you know.... It was Serena's first defeat of the year.
And Serena would take revenge at the french. Well she lost again...

In all respect you can't compare grass and clay.

bandabou
Apr 6th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Uhm she lost a month before the french on clay at Charleston against a certain Henin you know.... It was Serena's first defeat of the year.
And Serena would take revenge at the french. Well she lost again...

In all respect you can't compare grass and clay.

Nope....adn that´s why Serena´s still the best player out there.