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Madhuri
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:42 PM
All the brouhaha over Elena's post match comments made me want to find the interview where I first thought that perhaps Elena had some sort of grudge or was loathe to give credit to Venus.

It was 2001 Indian Wells after her match with Krasnaratskaya (sp?). Elena makes a lot of comments that would be viewed as arrogant and even rude if they came from a Williams.


Q. Can you talk about playing Venus, what you have to do to win?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: We played two times. She looks strong. I mean, if I will play a hundred percent of my game, I can beat her, that's for sure. I mean, now I have nothing to lose. I mean, I'm sure I'll not nervous or something like that. I will just play and try to play my best game.

Q. The two matches you played with her were two of the biggest matches of your career, the Fed Cup and --?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: It was my first match against such a Top 10 player.

Q. -- The other thing was for the Olympic gold medal.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: That's right.

Q. Two of the most important matches ever were against one opponent. Will you be thinking about something other than the match at hand or no? Do you know what I mean? The other two times you played her, there was such importance to that moment.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, it's not -- it's also very important match for me. I was in semis last year, so I want to be in semis this year, of course. It's always very interesting to play against someone who is such a great player. I can learn something. It's always a good practice for me.

Q. And you can win?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, I'll try.

Q. You said if you play 100%, you can beat her. What if she plays 100%?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: If we will play -- if I will play hundred and she will play hundred, I will beat her for sure. I'm stronger inside.

Q. You're stronger inside?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah. She's just stronger ....

Q. Physically?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: .... physically, yeah.

Q. Do you think maybe it means more to you because of the success she had last year? If she doesn't win, it's okay?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: For who?

Q. Venus. You say you're stronger inside, meaning she doesn't need it as much, doesn't care as much?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No. I mean, why she won all her matches because, you know, she's stronger physically. I mean, now she play a lot better than last year. She has a lot of different shots. If you can see last year, she played like she has a great serve and, I don't know, forehand, and that's all. I don't know. I mean, there is nothing special. I mean, she is a girl like me. We'll see.

Q. She thought you were very nervous in the Olympic match. Is that true?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, because when I start to play, nobody expect for me to be on the final. But when I was on the final, everybody came to me and said, "Oh, you have to." Then I start to think that I can be the Olympic medalist. It was tough.

Q. Because she is so strong and she has a presence about her, do you think a lot of other players, they haven't lost before they've gone out there, but do you think that's in the back of her mind, she's so impressive?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yes, I think so. I think, yeah, she won a lot of match before somebody came on the court. That's for sure.

Q. So she intimidates people before she comes out?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I think so.

Q. What about you? Why are you not intimidated by her?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, I'm not.

Q. Why is that?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I don't know. Maybe I have to. I will try in one tournament.
Elena really seemed to underestimate Venus's game saying "she's just stronger" as though Venus won simply because of physical strength.

In the same tournament Venus subsequently beat Dementieva 6-0, 6-3 and the following interview took place. Notice that Elena makes continual reference to how bad she (Elena) plays --something Serena gets criticised for a lot--and also starts with the match-fixing accusations:


MODERATOR: Questions for Elena.

Q. Once you got going, you played her pretty evenly. Just the difficult start.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I think we both play very bad today. I didn't expect such a bad play for Venus. I never play so bad in my life. It's looks like I think she has some injury or something. You know, she gave me so many chances, especially second set, and I didn't use it at all.

Q. You weren't satisfied with any aspect in the second set? You had a lot of winners.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: But I did so many mistakes. It wasn't just a good game.

Q. You looked like you were getting frustrated, like you could play better than you were playing. That is how you feel?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, I mean, I tried to win points like for my first or second shot. It was a wrong way. I mean, today the only thing I need to do, just keep the ball. But, like I said, I didn't expect this play from Venus. I thought she's going to hit the ball like she did hard, and she didn't.

Q. Why do you think you played so badly? Were you not mentally in the match?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah. You know, I feel a little bit tired. I just play final, and here is quarters. No, just a bad day for me, I think.

Q. Was it a strategy on Venus' part, an injury? Why did she play so differently?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I think it looks like she has some injury, I think so, yeah.

Q. So she couldn't hit it?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Like she's normally doing, yeah.

Q. Venus is serving up 3-2 in the second set. That game you had six breakpoints. You didn't get any of them. If you think you won that game, do you think you might have been able to pull this out?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, I think so. When we played in Olympic Games, I didn't have any chance, 40-Love, 40-15. Here I don't know how many times deuce or advantage for me, but I didn't take any of these chance.

Q. This was a big opportunity for you to beat her. Do you feel very disappointed that you didn't take it?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah. You know, I feel very disappointed because, I mean, the result is good, the quarters is good, but after this match I feel very bad.

Q. But looking back, did you get out of this tournament some good work that you hoped to?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, after this match I don't feel it.

Q. This match ruined the week?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I think so.

Q. When is the last time that you had a loss that was this frustrating where you had so many chances?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Like I said, I never played so bad in my life.

Q. Some people say the way to play Venus is not to pull her side to side, but hit down the center. Were you trying to do that?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, you know, I try to play just to the body. But, you know, it was difficult for me because my game is just forehand, backhand, try to move. Yeah, it's tough to play in the middle. But that's the way I have to play if I want to beat her, yeah.

Q. This is a player, especially after today, you know you could beat?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Not after this match, I don't think so (laughter).

Q. Even with all the chances you had? You said you played poorly, yet you had chances.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: After this match, the only good thing that we can say is that she's a girl and sometimes she has a bad day, too. She's not like we talked yesterday, Terminator or something.

Q. What is your schedule like now?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I'm going to Miami. I'm happy to have a bye in the first round so I can have a little break. I think I will start Friday.

Q. Anything specifically you want to work on in the next few days to prepare for Miami?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No tennis.

Q. When you take time off from tennis, what do you do?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I have to work with the press in these days, press conference, photo shoots.

Q. The whole time?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Whole time.

Q. Is this for the Russian media?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, for everybody.

Q. Any time for yourself?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Just in the nighttime, I can sleep, yeah.

Q. Any predictions on tomorrow's match between sisters?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I mean, I don't know what Richard think about it. I think he will decide who's going to win tomorrow. But it looks like Serena because I saw a little bit of this match, she play extremely well. I think she will be on the final.

Q. Do a lot of players in the locker room feel that way, that Richard decides who wins the matches?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, I don't think so. I didn't talk about it with the other players.

Q. But you have that feeling?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah.

Q. That it's a family decision?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, because I remember when they played in Lipton. If you saw this match, it was so funny.

Q. Did you feel that way about Wimbledon also?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I don't remember this match in Wimbledon. Sorry.

Q. The Lipton match, you were watching it? Were you at the site or watching it on TV?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Which one?

Q. The Lipton.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I was watching by TV.

Q. When you see the level of play, where do you put yourself on a good day? At your best, do you feel like you can play with anyone who's playing now?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I mean, yeah, I can play with anyone. The question is if I can win.

Q. You've already beaten Venus once.

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: It was a long time ago.

Q. Have you ever beaten Lindsay?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yes.

Q. Did you talk to your mom about this match at all?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, I mean, she said maybe I was so concentrate, so focused on this match with Lina, I lost a lot of energy on this match. Maybe that's why today I wasn't good enough in my concentration.

Q. Do you feel that way, that you were having trouble focusing today?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: Yeah, I think so. She's right.

Q. Was playing in the big stadium difficult?

ELENA DEMENTIEVA: No, I love the stadium. It's great.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the locker room to find out what exactly is Dementieva's problem with Venus.:)

udachi Elena
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:45 PM
First of all, Players who's first language is not english should never have their interviews taken out of context, second, I thought she complemented Venus a couple times. The only thing i saw that was a little flaky was the if i play 100 and she plays 100 i will beat her. But that is just confidence, and could be a mistake with her english.

Hulet
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Possible explanations for Elena's comments:
-English is not her native language (already used)
-She is trying to be funny. Russians are known for dry humour.
-She is telling the truth.
-She just doesn't like tall players (excluding herself, ofcourse).
-Everyone does it these days, so who cares? (Wait, this is not a coaching incident. So, scartch that).
-You, William fans, are over-sensitive and analyse everything to death.

Pick one. :p

skanky~skanketta
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:53 PM
stronger inside. must explain why she took so long to win her first title. :tape: (still, she did beat justine saving a matchpoint :mad: )

still, i think elena could win a grand slam or two if she improves her serve. justine did it, i'm sure elena can too.

Knizzle
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:54 PM
Oh Please UDachi, The girl was hating, plain and simple. I hope Venus "talks" to her like she said she might have to do after their match.

sartrista7
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:56 PM
It was 2001 Indian Wells after her match with Krasnaratskaya (sp?). Elena makes a lot of comments that would be viewed as arrogant and even rude if they came from a Williams.

The sort of comments which are routinely defended by many people on this board as just 'self-confident', and that you have to have that sort of self-belief if you want to succeed. If anything, Dementieva hasn't been confident enough over the years.

In the same tournament Venus subsequently beat Dementieva 6-0, 6-3 and the following interview took place. Notice that Elena makes continual reference to how bad she (Elena) plays --something Serena gets criticised for a lot--and also starts with the match-fixing accusations:

She didn't 'start' the match-fixing allegations; if I remember correctly, the National Enquirer had run with that very story not long before Dementieva's interview. Indeed, at the time of the match she references - the first Lipton final between V and S - pretty much all the reports I read hinted that the outcome may have been pre-decided, at least to the extent of splitting sets.

Note also how Elena CONFIRMS that Venus seemed to have an injury, thereby VALIDATING her withdrawal the next day.

Note also how bad Lena's English is, and how she was a kid at the time. No excuses... it was a hugely wrong thing to say, but hands up anyone who's never said anything wrong at 18.

This so-called feud between Lena and the Williams sisters is entirely based on three quotes in three years, at least two of which have been twisted way out of context... and seems to be entirely fuelled by people who seem to have something against Dementieva, and actively try and search for anti-Williams meanings in a lot of what she says.

In any case... what's it to anyone if there IS a problem between them? I think we're all aware by now that some of the girls hate each other on Tour, just as in real life - just look at Patty and Anna. Lena may have a valid reason for disliking the Williams sisters... or she may not. We don't know, because we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

This sort of shit is so unimportant... I find it very easy to cheer for both Lena and Vee, regardless of whether they like each other or not, and to harp on and on over a couple of unguarded comments is just petty.

Helas
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:57 PM
Elena beat Venus fair and square get over it! :rolleyes:

udachi Elena
Apr 4th, 2004, 07:57 PM
Oh Please UDachi, The girl was hating, plain and simple. I hope Venus "talks" to her like she said she might have to do after their match.
You just thinking everything is hating. Well sometimes it's not. But I agree Venus should talk to her about the comment she made this week. However, sincethis post is about this interview, I think it has nothing to do with hating.

Knizzle
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:00 PM
So then, what do you think ED's motivation was for bringing up match fixing?? Also saying that Venus wasn't strong on the inside, but only physically??

Rocketta
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Well damn the Williams girls should start doing their press conferences at the French in French so they can trash their opponents and we can just say it's the translation, it's because French is not their first language. They didn't mean it that way. I don't think Venus and Serena really know what opportunities their missing at taking digs at their opponents in another language. :tape:

j/k people..:lol:

sartrista7
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:02 PM
If we're going to really go through Dementieva's history with the Williamses... these are some of the things she's said about Serena this week.

It looks like she's in good shape. You know, she's a great player. I think she has the best serve on the tour, so I'm gonna be in trouble on her serve...

...it's very interesting to watch her no matter, you know, did she have a break or not, because she plays spectacular game. It's also very interesting to watch her play. I think it's not so easy to came after such a long break and play at such a high level. She's in the final of her first tournament.

So, I mean, the whole respect to her. Like I said, she's in good shape.

Vass22
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Only the 100% is not so good, the rest is fine. That was over-confidence I must think, not an offence against Venus. And even if she does have a problem with Venus? So what?

Eta psi: Did you ever read Marat Safin's interviews? If you know Russian and listen Russian jokes in their original state, they are very funny. Anyway, Elena isn't trying to be funny either way.

udachi Elena
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:04 PM
So then, what do you think ED's motivation was for bringing up match fixing?? Also saying that Venus wasn't strong on the inside, but only physically??
Sorry, I didn't catch the second part of the interview. I'm not sure what her motivation was there. It wasn't clear english, and that's not an excuse, i'm not backing her up on that, whatever she meant she shouldn't have even included richard's name. but the next sentence she says Serena based on how she was playing..

sartrista7
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:06 PM
So then, what do you think ED's motivation was for bringing up match fixing?? Also saying that Venus wasn't strong on the inside, but only physically??

Motivation - she lost ugly, she was upset, and there were many tabloid-fuelled rumours of match-fixing going round anyway. It was immature, and I don't think anyone's ever tried to defend her over that... so we're now just waiting for you to forget about a three-year-old comment from an 18-year-old girl.

As for the 'physically' comment... note how it was the reporter who brought that word into the conversation first, and that Lena says in her next answer that "now she play a lot better than last year. She has a lot of different shots" - which isn't exactly saying that Venus is only physically strong.

Vass22
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:07 PM
With the kind of English she was speaking back then, her statements could have had a hundred possible interpretations. In interviews back then, she contradicted her own words right in the next sentance, and I don't think that was on purpose.

bandabou
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Yeah....the English isnīt her first language-excuse is sooooooo overused now. Venus is just forehand and serve?! And what about you then?! just groundstrokes?!

Stephieva
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:11 PM
Anyway, Elena isn't trying to be funny either way.
what do you mean by this? not quite sure if i get it right.

Martian Willow
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Possible explanations for Elena's comments:
-English is not her native language (already used)
-She is trying to be funny. Russians are known for dry humour.
-She is telling the truth.
-She just doesn't like tall players (excluding herself, ofcourse).
-Everyone does it these days, so who cares? (Wait, this is not a coaching incident. So, scartch that).
-You, William fans, are over-sensitive and analyse everything to death.

Pick one. :p

...OK...the last one... :)

Knizzle
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Motivation - she lost ugly, she was upset, and there were many tabloid-fuelled rumours of match-fixing going round anyway. It was immature, and I don't think anyone's ever tried to defend her over that... so we're now just waiting for you to forget about a three-year-old comment from an 18-year-old girl.

As for the 'physically' comment... note how it was the reporter who brought that word into the conversation first, and that Lena says in her next answer that "now she play a lot better than last year. She has a lot of different shots" - which isn't exactly saying that Venus is only physically strong.
Well if ED would stop taking jabs at the Williamses it wouldn't get brought up.

GoDominique
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:31 PM
...OK...the last one... :)
Yes, I also take the last option. :)

ys
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Oh Please UDachi, The girl was hating, plain and simple.
A hate is an attribute of your world, dear.. Lena hates no one. She just speaks out her mind.

bandabou
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:40 PM
But the girl really really should take some English lessons, because some of her comments come over as a bit offensive.

udachi Elena
Apr 4th, 2004, 08:41 PM
her english has greatly improved since that interview! This week she just let some thoughts slip! She did talk Venus up in the post match interview, and tried to make fun of herself in the final tho!

Dava
Apr 4th, 2004, 09:02 PM
Does this really matter that much. OMG Does Elena or the Williams sisters have to be nice in every press conferance or have to like every player on the tour.

Joana
Apr 4th, 2004, 09:23 PM
Is it just me or Elena is taking over Justine's role on this board?

Pureracket
Apr 4th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Well damn the Williams girls should start doing their press conferences at the French in French so they can trash their opponents and we can just say it's the translation, it's because French is not their first language. They didn't mean it that way. I don't think Venus and Serena really know what opportunities their missing at taking digs at their opponents in another language. :tape:

j/k people..:lol:LOL!!!!!

ys
Apr 4th, 2004, 11:22 PM
But the girl really really should take some English lessons, because some of her comments come over as a bit offensive.
Offensive for oversensitive and PC-obsessed morons. If I were her, if I didn't mean to offend anyone, I would not give a flying f@ck what kind of interpretation of what I said some morons would manage to come up with. It is the rule of any normal people - interpret any words in the best possible way. If some dark souls want to interpret it the worst possible way, it is their problem.

And Elena's English became very enjoyable to listen with that charming, almost Hingis-like accent..

Hulet
Apr 4th, 2004, 11:26 PM
Seems like ys, just like GoDominique and Willow, also chose the last option to explain Elena's comments. :)

bandabou
Apr 4th, 2004, 11:47 PM
Offensive for oversensitive and PC-obsessed morons. If I were her, if I didn't mean to offend anyone, I would not give a flying f@ck what kind of interpretation of what I said some morons would manage to come up with. It is the rule of any normal people - interpret any words in the best possible way. If some dark souls want to interpret it the worst possible way, it is their problem.

And Elena's English became very enjoyable to listen with that charming, almost Hingis-like accent..

No,no...when you say someoneīs game is simple or easy, how else could one understand it?!

Her own words....

udachi Elena
Apr 4th, 2004, 11:48 PM
No,no...when you say someoneīs game is simple or easy, how else could one understand it?!

Her own words....
maybe predictable? which it could be for her. Although Serena's game obviously wasn't either for her yesterday.

ys
Apr 4th, 2004, 11:51 PM
No,no...when you say someoneīs game is simple or easy, how else could one understand it?!

Her own words....
And what is the problem with that? I know of only two players whose game , described as "simple" might constitute some minor offense - Martina Hingis and Anastasia Myskina.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:20 AM
And what is the problem with that? I know of only two players whose game , described as "simple" might constitute some minor offense - Martina Hingis and Anastasia Myskina.

But then again, coming from a girl whose game herself is more simple than simple.....tja, Iīd say look at your own game first, no?!

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:22 AM
maybe predictable? which it could be for her. Although Serena's game obviously wasn't either for her yesterday.

Only thing predictable were those ugly dfīs of ms "Oh my game is soooo deversified!" Elena D.

udachi Elena
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:24 AM
I am insulting serena? then why do you have to insult Elena?

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:28 AM
I am insulting serena? then why do you have to insult Elena?

Hey those were her own words...If you say someoneīs game is simple, then that means your game is more complex, isnīt it?!

Black Mamba.
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:29 AM
Not being able to speak English well is not a good excuse. If she couldn't speak English why didn't she say no comment and leave or have a translator present. This is just a cop out she knew exactly what she wanted to say.

V&SGotItGoingOn
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:29 AM
LOL, I find it hilarious that some posters are saying that because English is not her first language, that Williams fans shouldn't take what Elena has said out of context... exactly what was she trying to say when she said she thought Richard would decide who wins between Serena and Venus?

udachi Elena
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Not being able to speak English well is not a good excuse. If she couldn't speak English why didn't she say no comment and leave or have a translator present. This is just a cop out she knew exactly what she wanted to say.
b/c by being a part of the wta tour they are required to do interviews.

udachi Elena
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:31 AM
LOL, I find it hilarious that some posters are saying that because English is not her first language, that Williams fans shouldn't take what Elena has said out of context... exactly what was she trying to say when she said she thought Richard would decide who wins between Serena and Venus?
I find it hilarious, that the hate on this board has gone from Justine to Elena, but i assume as soon as justine is playing again it will transfer back to her. or someone else, depending on who beats them.

V&SGotItGoingOn
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:36 AM
I find it hilarious, that the hate on this board has gone from Justine to Elena, but i assume as soon as justine is playing again it will transfer back to her. or someone else, depending on who beats them.

Way to answer the question... I was commenting on the excuses made for what Elena says. Do me a favor and point out to me where I implied that I hate Elena or Justine.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:37 AM
I find it hilarious, that the hate on this board has gone from Justine to Elena, but i assume as soon as justine is playing again it will transfer back to her. or someone else, depending on who beats them.

Blah blah....fact is you canīt hide the sun with one finger. Some of the comments Elena made had some offensiveness in them. If you donīt wanna see that or blame it on the bad English, fact still remains that theyīve been said.

udachi Elena
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:38 AM
Blah blah....fact is you canīt hide the sun with one finger. Some of the comments Elena made had some offensiveness in them. If you donīt wanna see that or blame it on the bad English, fact still remains that theyīve been said.
WHy do you have to be so rude? I agree Elena's comment this week was rude, I don't think you'll find anywhere where i said different. And I'd like to see one thread about the williams sisters without one of their fans bashing another player.

Madhuri
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:39 AM
I realized the interview was old and posted it just as a refresher, I don't believe in crying over spilt milk. However, as someone else said on the other thread (regarding Elena's recent post-match remark) you must consider the messenger when weighing the intentions of someone's statements. I wanted for people who dismissed Elena's intentions as innocent to see that she has made questionable-- and derogatory-- comments about the Sisters in the past and therefore anything she says about them should be taken with a grain of salt. Elena's grasp of English was quite good even three years ago and the questions she was asked and her answers to them were straightfoward enough where I feel their meanings couldn't possibly be misinterpreted.

If someone does something once, it is probably and accident.
If they do it twice it's probably a coincidence.
If they do it three or more times, it's probably intentional.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:42 AM
WHy do you have to be so rude? I agree Elena's comment this week was rude, I don't think you'll find anywhere where i said different. And I'd like to see one thread about the williams sisters without one of their fans bashing another player.

So we agree on this one?! Cool....As wise people should.

sartrista7
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:45 AM
In this case... it is more like Elena saying one bad thing, then having every subsequent statement pored over by insane Williams fans who seem to just want to twist her words to make her look like a bitch.

And anyway, I ask again: what does it matter to anyone whether she has a problem with the Williamses or not? The tour is rife with mini-feuds. It's not a strange thing. This is nothing compared with the public statements of some other girls. I don't see Patty and Anna fans bitching incessantly at each other, even though their girls openly loathe each other.

udachi Elena
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:48 AM
So we agree on this one?! Cool....As wise people should.
of course! the first one was terrible, however, the second was a crack at herself, so i don't know why people were so offended by that.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:49 AM
In this case... it is more like Elena saying one bad thing, then having every subsequent statement pored over by insane Williams fans who seem to just want to twist her words to make her look like a bitch.

And anyway, I ask again: what does it matter to anyone whether she has a problem with the Williamses or not? The tour is rife with mini-feuds. It's not a strange thing. This is nothing compared with the public statements of some other girls. I don't see Patty and Anna fans bitching incessantly at each other, even though their girls openly loathe each other.

Aaah..so we can admit she said a bad thing?! No lost in translation thing here?!

Madhuri
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:49 AM
In this case... it is more like Elena saying one bad thing, then having every subsequent statement pored over by insane Williams fans who seem to just want to twist her words to make her look like a bitch.

And anyway, I ask again: what does it matter to anyone whether she has a problem with the Williamses or not? The tour is rife with mini-feuds. It's not a strange thing. This is nothing compared with the public statements of some other girls. I don't see Patty and Anna fans bitching incessantly at each other, even though their girls openly loathe each other.



What does it matter that two people keep hitting a ball back-and-forth over a net? What does it matter what they wear when they do it? Why does anything on this board matter?

The fact is, it doesn't matter but because this is a tennis discussion board all aspects of the game will be discussed. the players, their matches, their clothes, their feuds, their boyfriends..etc

Rocketta
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:50 AM
um, when was the last time Anna actually won a match and her and Patty were actually playing in the latter stages of a tournament? I believe if and when that happens and one of the two players decide to take pot shots at the other via the interview process you would see their fan bases dissecting it over and over.

bandabou
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:50 AM
of course! the first one was terrible, however, the second was a crack at herself, so i don't know why people were so offended by that.

Uhum....but I wasnīt really offended by the second one either. Itīs all about the first one.

ys
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:52 AM
But then again, coming from a girl whose game herself is more simple than simple.....tja, Iīd say look at your own game first, no?!
Again, I fail to see a problem. Where is harm? Where is offense?

sartrista7
Apr 5th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Aaah..so we can admit she said a bad thing?! No lost in translation thing here?!

Read my first post, you fucking idiot. God, these people who DON'T READ piss me off.

Madhuri, of course it's fun to talk about. But most people are not just 'talking about' it, they are acting as if Lena stole their money and killed their family; a couple of comments and she's the worst human being ever. Like anyone knows what the real feud is about, or if there even is a real feud. Ironically, it's pretty much the same people who complain about the 'hate' on this board, who have dished the most hate out over the past few days. Of course, people can react how they want... but to take things so personally is a little odd.

Rocketta, there was a thread the other week with all the gory details - quotes, actions, attempting drillings in doubles, you name it, Patty and Anna have done it. (Well, mainly Patty.) There were fans of both players in it, and not once did anyone descend to dishing out personal insults to either.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 5th, 2004, 01:02 AM
Face it - Elena' s a bitch and you can either accept it or live in denial.

Hell - that should actually endear her some fans, cause lord knows, Venus was a bitch when she first came on the tour and that's what drew me to her.