LMAO!!! Ok I'm sorry if I offend anybody but I find this HILARIOUS!! Apparently, the straw that broke the camel's back was the fact that a cross country relay team was dq because one of the skiiers failed a blood test ... I mean hello?? If you fail a blood test or a drug test you are DQ!! Anyways the russians are threatening to pull out of these games and boycott the games in Athens... can anybody say POWER TRIP?? They are demanding that this issue be resolved in 24 hours... i dunno... I find this hilarious... also please people that don't agree with me start your own thread, don't come in here to bash me or anybody else :D
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:19 AM
If you follow the whole story, you will knw that they are not angry at that person failing the drug test, but the fact that it has been told so late from teh official that they cannot get a replacement, just as an info to you
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:26 AM
Well in any case, threatening to boycott the games is pathetic... people said canadians were whiny because of the pairs stuff but Russian has gone one step further and demanded that whatever be taken care of within 24 hours or they would pull out of the games?? Please....
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:27 AM
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:40 AM
To be honest, I have to agree with most of what Donald Cherry had to say about this Russian threat of the boycott (even though I don't really want to agree with him...well I have to), I dont' always agree with everything he says, but most of what he's said (and Wayne Gretzky) this Olympics has been completely true.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:45 AM
What did Don Cherry say about the whole russians thing?? The only olympic coverage I watched tonight was the hockey game so I didn't know anything about the russian boycott until I was able to get online about an hour ago.... please fill me in!! Thanx!!
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:53 AM
Feb 22nd, 2002, 06:53 AM
This will be the second Olympics in America that has been dodgy. I never saw the LA Olympics, not sure if I was alive.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 08:03 AM
Wasn't Los Anglelos in 1984? That was when Mary Lou Retton won the gymnastics all around right?
Anyhow, moving on to the topic at hand -
If Russia feels they have been cheated - I still think that pulling out is a flat out stupid idea. You never get what you want by just quitting. They should stick with it and make themselves heard.
Furthermore its not fair to the athletes that haven't performed, who have worked YEARS to get where they are.
If the Russians pull out, I'll be totally disgusted with their choice.
Why match what they consider to be disgusting conduct by the US, with Disgusting conduct of their own?
Matching stupidity with stupidity doesn't get you anywhere.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:20 PM
They won't pull out.
But something smells fishy. They DQ a 9 time Olympic medalist for alleged blood doping. But she never failed another test. And I doubt she would start doping for a team relay that Russia could win in its sleep. Like I said. Something smells fishy.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by the cat
Something smells fishy.
But what would we say if she failed the doping test, but was allowed to compete because of her standing and her past results?
If the timing of the test was dodgy, that's wrong, but the Olympics are under tremendous pressure to deal sternly and fairly with doping. They can't do that if they apply different rules/penalties to different athletes.
Me, I think their trying to scare more favorable rulings out of judges.
BBC Sport Online's Alex Gubbay examines the significance of Russia's brinkmanship at the Winter Olympics.
Russia's threat to pull out of these Olympics has exploded tensions that have been bubbling under the surface since the early days of these Salt Lake Games.
It has also firmly focused attention on the attitude and approach of their American hosts.
Skategate, the furore which saw the Canadian duo upgraded to gold alongside the Russian pair, revealed bloc voting was still a problem in that particular sport.
But several decisions since, across other events, have reopened wider 'Cold War' wounds.
Reasons for Russian boycott threat
Figure skating: Forced to share gold with Canada after alleged vote-rigging
Ice hockey: Unhappy over players sin-binned during quarter-final win over Czech Republic
Cross-country: Protest after favourite Larissa Lazutina is forced out before race with high haemoglobin level
Free skate: Formal complaint over judging after Irina Slutskaya misses out on gold
There are not many days left at these Games, but the Russian boycott threat is still hugely symbolic.
They have often felt unwelcome here, and that the Olympic spirit has come a distant second to subjective, partisan opinion.
According to Russian Minister of Sport Pavel Rozhkov, they are not the only ones.
"The Koreans, the Ukranians and the French feel exactly the same way," he told the BBC.
"It is no longer about Olympism. These 'American Games' have been all about money, and selling the showbusiness of the competition to their own people.
"These very visible tendencies are not only sad for the Russians, but for the Olympic movement in general."
By taking their grievances straight to the International Olympic Committee, the Russians also raised the stakes on behalf of those other nations who feel hard done by.
They could have protested to the individual sporting federations, but going directly to IOC chief Jacques Rogge brought matters to a swift head.
Rogge has endured a baptism of fire as IOC president
Rogge has already spoken to those federations, and written to Russian president Vladimir Putin pleading for calm - he knows all too well that more brinkmanship would be very dangerous.
The Russians however want Rogge to be even more assertive.
"Our main complaint is that this newly-elected president seems to have no influence on federations," Rozhkov continued.
"They are too free, and make decisions far too independently. Rules must be objective and strictly obeyed."
Skategate apart, Kim Dong-Sung's disqualification in the short track has been the worst of some puzzling decisions.
But the fact it propelled American teen idol Apolo Anton Ohno to gold, and sparked wild celebration at the Salt Lake Ice Center, made it all the more galling for the Koreans.
The Russian complaints about their treatment in the ice hockey and cross-country are arguably less concrete.
But they have been smarting since Skategate, and those two incidents were the final straw.
Russian officials looked to their president for backing, and Putin agreed they should be more "forceful and take a stronger stand in defending their athletes".
And the country's Olympic delegation did just that when they filed a formal protest at what they saw as biased judging in Thursday night's free skate, when Irina Slutskaya lost out to American Sarah Hughes.
The accompanying boycott threat demands an equally poignant gesture, possibly from Games organisers as well as the IOC, to restore their bruised pride.
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:31 PM
I agree with Cat that something is really going on behind.
I really feel for Kim Dong-Sung ... what a terrible experience...
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:39 PM
"They DQ a 9 time Olympic medalist for alleged blood doping. But she never failed another test. And I doubt she would start doping for a team relay that Russia could win in its sleep"
Your right - they should have allowed her to ski after testing over the allowed limit for Haemoglobin count :rolleyes:
There are tons of athletes who get tested and tested, but dont' test positive untill after many runs.
Reasons for this vary - perhaps she wasn't doping before hand, or perhaps she found a way to cheat the testing procedures (don't know how they'd do that, but I've read about people using different urine samples - dont think it would work with drawing blood though).
Anyhow - my point is, your assuming her innocence, AFTER she tested positive. Yes they can run more tests - but to suggest she should have ran the race is stupid.
Should they have been given more time? Sure. Focus on that - no on the doped athlete.
Feb 23rd, 2002, 03:16 PM
Becca, thanks for clearing things up for me. And for calling me stupid.
Becca, you should re-read my post. I never said Lazutina should have run the race. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I think she should have been replaced. I never said she should have run the race.
Feb 23rd, 2002, 03:22 PM
I didn[t intend to call you stupid - I've just covered the issue in other threads and was frusterated, but not at you.
I just meant, that just cause she is a respected athlete and 9 time Medalist, doesn't mean she wasn't guilty. Maybe she wasn't guilty - but its possible, isn't it?
Anyhow - its not fair they let them know too close to the rqace to find a replacement.
I don't know why they did that - but it wasn't just Amercans in charge of that anyhow, was it?
Since you were talking about her, I assumed that you were meaning it wasn't fair to let her run. But you didn't say that. I was just being an Ass:D
Feb 23rd, 2002, 03:22 PM
It's a little bit unfair what happened. The russians girls should have run the race. Larissa Lasutina should have been replaced. Hey, this are the olympics! Everybody should be allowed to participate! The russians would have won a medal even without Lasutina.