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Warrior
Feb 22nd, 2002, 01:31 AM
Good luck Irina! :wavey:

bubble
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:01 AM
All the best Irina! :)

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:40 AM
Anyways, go Irina!

Mitch01
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:51 AM
I'm cheering for Irina too, good luck! OF course I was really cheering for Jennifer Robinson, who put down another very good skate (one fall, but she made 6 great triples, and the Russian judge seemed to really be impressed with what he saw again!!)
Go Irina!!!! And Sasha Cohen!

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:53 AM
GO IRINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: GOOD LUCK!!!

Happy Guy
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:53 AM
Sorry to interrupt, but is Group 4 starting now?
The star-studded group:wavey:

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:56 AM
LAST GROUP, yes!

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:58 AM
MARIA's jumps were not so clean. I am sorry for her.:sad:

GO IRINA!!!

Happy Guy
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:00 AM
So what's her score and current rank?

Happy Guy
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:02 AM
She even drops below the Japanese skater Fumie Suguri.:(

No medal for sure

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:03 AM
Irina is injured; at least htey say so on television. it is not a bad injury, but she was not so fit this morning. I don't know exactly what kind of injury it is.

GOOD LUCK, IRINA!!!

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:40 AM
Before seeing irina's marks, I think she is #2, after Hughes. Kwan is thte third. That's my opinion.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:42 AM
I'd say Irina is 2nd in Long

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:46 AM
Given, that it is in USA, who would expect anything else. 5 to 4, with one vote given by presentation mark tiebreaker. Fuck it all..:fiery:

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:47 AM
I am sorry for Irina!:sad: :sad: :sad:

She has been so close...

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:48 AM
How did one judge have her in 4th ????

pffffffffff

we should protest and demand gold for Irina

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:51 AM
Let's do it!
I don't trust judges. Irina is my number 1!!!

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:53 AM
I think the judges gave her too bad marks for the technical merit.
:fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:55 AM
Now it is turn for hockey. They will do it again, having a fellow North American judge.. They will penalise us again for dropping helmets, and like that. I would not expect anything else..

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:58 AM
Don't expect anything else!!! have you watched Germany vs. USA???

wongqks
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:58 AM
The technical mark is good for irina, I think she got the highest out of the pack, but thenI think she is cheated a bit on presentation, that 5.6 is disgraceful

bubble
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:58 AM
What? so now it's Sarah Hughes who took the gold? Irina silver? Kwan?

This is terrible.... what happened?

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:01 AM
Nothing happened, bubble. Just Winter American Games at its brightest..

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:01 AM
Sarah- gold
Irina-silver
Michelle-bronze

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:03 AM
LOL, ys!!! YOu are sooooooo right!!!

bubble
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:06 AM
Thanks Lola....

Terribly disappointed.... :sad:
Next time, the next Winter Olympics to be held in America, can forget about watching it.

Randy H
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:07 AM
Sorry for Irina, I am sure she will be disappointed she lost out on such a good chance after Kwan faultered. However, I really do think Sarah was definetly the best skater out there tonight, she didn't miss anything, her form was great, and she was solid artistically. Irina was able to put in a good performance, but it just wasn't quite as solid as Sarah's unfortunately.

Scotso
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:08 AM
:rolleyes:

Here we have you people doing what you do best, bitching.

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:08 AM
I have already forgotten about it, bubble. Seeing so much unfair things is not good for health. I am finished with this Olympics. Hopefully Russians will have enough guts to pull the plug. They won't stop spitting at us unless we stop it ourselves.

Vanity
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:12 AM
Strange words coming from somebody who doesn't even live in Russia. :rolleyes:

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:13 AM
Randy, I would not argue that Hughes probably was the best TONIGHT. But the competition is a total of two programs. And She was put inappropriately high in the short program at expense of Butyrskaya. Should Butyrskaya and Hughes switch their places in the short program, Slutskaya would be the champion. That's when robbery really happened. By putting Americans 1,3,4 in the short Slutskaya was put in the position that she absolutely had to beat all three Americans in the long program, and given that any close situation against either of three would not be interpreted in her favor, her chances were next to zero.

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:13 AM
You're welcome, bubble!

by the way, lol@bubble :D :D :D

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:15 AM
Funny that this is the first time you complained about Maria's placement, ys.

Maria, much as I wanted her to medal here, was slow and poor in the short program. Sorry.

Anyway, I'm sorry for all of Irina's fans. She almost had it.

Randy H
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:19 AM
I don't know ys, it's a tough call...

I know you're disappointed, even I am, I wanted Irina to win aswell, but it just didn't happen and having seen the skates I really do think Gold or Silver is justifiable. Who'd have guessed Sarah would put on such a great performance? She turned it up, and that put the pressure on Irina to definetly need to win the long program, and she was a tad below Sarah's skate unfortunately.

In the short program I don't know if I'd say Maria deserved 4th, Sarah did do well too, and some even felt she deserved to be ahead of Sasha...I honestly felt Maria was fortunate to even pull off 6th place overall, because her long program was absolutely horrible IMO, but I think with her past record they went a bit easy on her.

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:24 AM
This has been MARIA'S last international competition as an amateur! She is the most elegant and gracious skater to me!
I will miss her! :sad: :sad: :sad:

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:39 AM
Yes, too bad Maria couldn't end up with an Olympic medal...she should have had it in Nagano :sad:

But congratulations on a brilliant career, Maria! :hearts:

Vanity
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:44 AM
To be honest with you, I feel more bad for Maria... what she lacks in talent, she makes up for in heart. I just feel so bad for her since she kept plugging away and just couldn't get that olympic medal. I don't think Michelle will still be skating olympic eligable when she's 29.

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:46 AM
OMG IRINA IS OLYMPIC SILVER MEDALIST!!! I was jumping up and down!:bounce:

Irina clearly deserved the silver and Michelle the bronze...Sarah was phenomenal and the rightful surprise winner. Irina and Michelle were both tight, Irina landed one more triple than Michelle but Sarah Hughes 2 3/3s! Irina played it safe tonight....

I'm just so happy Irina grabbed a medal!:hearts:

Lola
Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:54 AM
Vanity, Maria lacks in talent??? You are kidding! I have been watching Maria skate for many years and she is one of the greatest talents ever!

bubble
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by Vanity
Strange words coming from somebody who doesn't even live in Russia. :rolleyes:


Vanity... It is just not only Russia who is badly affected at this Games, how about Korea? As a whole, this Games is just not up to Olympic standard even for neutral fans.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 06:55 AM
"They won't stop spitting at us unless we stop it ourselves."

Ys- you the only one I've seen doing any spitting lately :rolleyes:


IMO Sarah was far and away the best tonight.
But i though Irina should have won the short program- In which case a second in the long program would have been good enough for gold.

But thats how it goes I guess.

if the Russian federation wants to protest - they will.

Pulling out won't prove anything though - running away never wins anyone anything. Least of all respect.

If they just pull out - no one wil care. If they stick around and whine about the injustices, people ill be forced to listen.

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:02 AM
Becca, in what component Sarah was better than Irina tonight? I just watched the whole program and I definetely witnessed, that Irina`s performance was the performance of the gold medal level. I read here all words about Irina`s mistake on flip, and I almost beleived it. But after I watched it I noticed no mistake. There just wasn`t any. And the judges also agreed with that, cos mark for TM were higher with Irina. But they put her down with artistic, which I can`t understand. I like Sarah Hughes, but that was a program of a 16-old child, there was nothing coming straight to the heart.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:07 AM
Apparently you missed where Irina leaned right over forward after a jump and nearly fell straight over?
Gee I must have imagined that, along with the rest of the world :rolleyes:

I found Sarah's performance tonight, better. She performed 2 triple triples, something that Irina held back from doing.

Irina was too tense, too conservative.


But instead of coming down on me, why not read my whole post where I noted that if she had won the short program like she should have IMO - we wouldn't even be having this arguement.

As for the judges hurting Irina with the presentation mark - well HELLO! Its not fair, bu they always do. Why act surprised?

But if your going to cry foul, do it over the fact she lost the short program to Kwan.

Cause tonight, Sarah was better. Kwan, wasn't the other night.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:08 AM
And frankly , I can be a little more objective on this matter than you can.

I don't have a clear favourite out of any of the top skaters.

You do. Thus your biased towards irina (somehow managing to miss the fact she almost put her hand down)

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:17 AM
LOL...even ys admitted that Sarah skated best tonight. That should seal the deal. ;)

Sarah had TWO triple-triples. That is supposed to be Irina's trick, but Irina accomplished none tonight. Sarah's program was by far the most difficult -- something the supporters of Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze should appreciate, since they kept saying it over and over when there was controversy over the pairs results.

As for the short program affecting the long...that sucks. Again, I am very sorry for Irina, and for Michelle. But Irina had the advantage of going last and knew exactly what she needed to do...to beat Michelle. In this case, she didn't beat Sarah for the long, and the numbers spat out 2nd for Irina.

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:17 AM
Words, words, words (c). These are only words. I didn`t missed Irina leaning forward. Read the FS rules. This is not a mistake. She made the jump, she didn`t touch ice or something. Didn`t you notice, that judges gave Irina higher marks for technical merit? Irina lost in presentation, that what makes me furious.

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:20 AM
I didn`t notice ys say Sarah`s skating was better than Irina`s. Ys just said, that Hughes program was perfect, which is not the same.

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:20 AM
The technical merit of the program directly affects the presentation mark, I would think. A more difficult program skated cleanly looks better to me.

I'm not going to go into depth in here because it is Irina's cheering thread, and she should be proud of what she has done.

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:22 AM
"Randy, I would not argue that Hughes probably was the best TONIGHT." -- ys, page 1

Go look, go look! :D

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 08:04 AM
Well, Russia already filed a protest over the results of the Free program. Time for another double gold medal decision.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 09:17 AM
What i said before about Irina being robbed in the short program has come back tp haunt her.

She did what she had to by beating Kwan but that Short program FIX has left Irina in tears

We demand a GOLD as well for Irina......

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2002, 09:35 AM
Sarah was better on the night i agree but if Irina had won short she would be Olympic Champ

judges for US athletes are so biased plus even one appeals against them you cant win but if you do one minor error it gets awarded in their favor. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 09:41 AM
He thought that the step from the 3-2 cascade to yet another jump was a mistake. Poor him. He need to read the rules once again.

the cat
Feb 22nd, 2002, 02:48 PM
It's a shame Irina had to settle for the silver medal. Alot of people felt that if it was a close call, Irina wouldn't get the gold. And it happened.

Sarah's tremendous performance in the long program put alot of pressure on Sasha, Michelle and Irina. And they couldn't quite handle the pressure. Especially Michelle.

As soon as NBC commentator Sandra Bezcic alluded to Sarah putting alot of pressure on the top 3 skaters, I thought that Sarah had a real chance for gold. Because I felt it was realistic for Irina to beat Michelle in the long program, but not beat Sarah in the long program. Thus, Sarah would win the gold medal. And it happened. Congrats to Sarah. Bit I'm very dissapointed for Irina. She wanted to be the first Russian woman to win the Olympic gold medal. But she didn't skate quite as well as I wanted her to last night. And being wrongfully placed second in the short program really came back to haunt her. I was one of the people who said that being first or second in the short program is irrelevant. Man, was I wrong.

It was so close, that if Sasha Cohen hadn't fallen down she may have won the long program and the gold medal. By the way, Sasha has the cutest cat I've ever seen. Did you her cat on television?

ys
Feb 22nd, 2002, 03:33 PM
They just hate us

http://www.kp.ru/articles/issue22739/paper14605.html

The article covers the analysis of programming of different Broadcasting companies durign the Olympics. The level of "aggressivness" and "animousity" to Russia and Russians tripled since the start of Olympics. Analysis suggested that CBC is the most anti-Russian company, with American comign second.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:18 PM
Nice to know your news agencies aren't filling you with paranoia.

I didn't know that I hated Russian - thanks for filling me in.

Guess I better stop agreeing with Irina's protest and cheering on the Russian hockey team - since I hate them both.

Phew - its a releif to find out.

I just hate when I hate things and dont know about it.

Any other countries I hate? Anyone?

fresh2flash
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:20 PM
Becca, you hate Russians :eek: ;)

Nicoleke
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:34 PM
Sarah Hugues won, and i' m very " happy " :) . Irina Slutskaya was very " good " too but I think that she wasn' t " the best " in the ladies free pogram !

bubble
Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:58 PM
I read reports that Irina tried to put a brave face in front of the spectators after the results was known. But once behind the curtains, she burst into tears and was inconsolable........ :sad:

the cat
Feb 22nd, 2002, 07:31 PM
Mary, Irina wasn't the best in the long program. Sarah was. But Irina was the best in the short program, and was rewarded with being in second place. She should have won the short program. Thus finishing second in the long program would have been good enough for gold. But with 3 Americans and 0ne Russian in the top four, I was worried that Irina would lose a close decision. And she did. Did you really think the Russians would win all four figure skating events in America? I didn't think so. The judges saw to that!

Becca, you've got to lose the hate. It's no wonder you're not feeling well. Please start thinking of flowers and sunshine. And Belarus upsetting Canada!

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 22nd, 2002, 10:01 PM
See, this is what i meant that in huge competitions, skaters like Irina under the CURRENT scoring system has always been in a disadvantageous position:o

Yes, i am regreting the fact that i said "Oh Irina is 2nd in the short, it doesn't matter she can win the gold on Thursday night anyway:fiery: "

agree completely with VivaSeles.

but there is one thing that i noticed here and its a wondeful thing! Irina has gained the admorition of many many fans that normaly wouldn't be cheering her!:bounce:

In some ways, Irina is like Martina Hingis. If one American doesn't get her, the other one will. She has been battling it out with the Americans for that top spot ever since 2000 Worlds. I'm so proud that she had earned Russia's only silver medal in the olympics for the ladies.

This was probably the closest margin of victory ever in Olympic skating history. So sad to see lose be a margin of 1 judge:sad:

oh BTW: Irina is the 1st woman to land 2 triple-triples in one program back at 2000 Lyon, France. and those 3/3s she completed were much much difficult that Sarah Hughes did last night. Scott should have his foot in his mouth:mad:

Hurley
Feb 23rd, 2002, 01:44 AM
Sorry to disrupt the cheering thread again...but this is where the discussion is so... :)

I think had the deserving winner of the short program won it, it may not have affected anything. IMO, Sasha Cohen won the short by a landslide. I don't know how that would have affected the ordinals. Someone can do the math and fill me in, or I'll do it later or tomorrow. :)

As for a duplicate gold medal for Irina...there weren't any cheating judges on this panel. BUT...

Have we opened up a can of worms by awarding the gold medal to Sale and Pelletier? I think we have, and now, for the first time, I'm starting to regret it. But the difference here is that a judge admitted she put in false scores in the pairs (now she's retracting it, so...), while nothing of that sort has occurred here (or been caught...).

So...I don't know. It's just funny that any overly high marks in the short program were given to help Kwan, and all they did was give the gold to neither of the pre-ordained winners.

Lola
Feb 23rd, 2002, 04:52 AM
4 judges put IRINA on 1st place
5 judges put Sarah on 1st place

Lola
Feb 23rd, 2002, 04:53 AM
IRINA is just great!

:bounce: :eek: :bounce:

GoSandrine
Feb 23rd, 2002, 05:01 AM
I thought Irina handled herself with class. She seems like a real sweet kid.

But did anyone see the interview Katie Couric did with her on the Today Show this morning. She was brutal asking Irina questions like "How does it feel to have worked so hard all those years.....etc.). I was dusgusted and embarassed and I felt horrible for Irina.

Katie can stick that 65 million where the sun don't shine! In fact, I feel like posting a separate thread on this just in case people didn't see the interview. People need to know what a cruel b***h Katie Couric really is. Damn, she really pissed me off this morning. :mad:

Lola
Feb 23rd, 2002, 05:06 AM
GoSandrine, I haven't seen the interwiev. Can you post it, please?
I am interested. Thank you!:kiss:

Lola
Feb 23rd, 2002, 05:07 AM
LOL, you've already posted it! Thank you!:)

the cat
Feb 23rd, 2002, 02:09 PM
GoSandrine, I saw the interview, too. And I cringed. Would Katie ask Michelle Kwan those same difficult questions? I think we know the answer to that.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 23rd, 2002, 02:25 PM
the cat - you know I was kidding about Hating Russia right? I don't hate anyone, let alone a whole country lol

I was poking fun at the article ys posted claiming "they just hate us", referring to people hating Russia.

It may not be funny to poke at, but I found the whole thing a little silly.

Lola
Feb 23rd, 2002, 02:56 PM
IRINA, you're the greatest!!!

Thank you for sooo many beautiful moments!:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

GOOD LUCK at the world championships!!!

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 23rd, 2002, 04:24 PM
YES! Reach for gold in Nagano Irina:)!:bounce: :drool:

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 23rd, 2002, 11:15 PM
bump;)

the cat
Feb 24th, 2002, 05:47 PM
Becca, I'm glad you are only kidding. But sometimes it's hard to tell.

Some Russians really believe they are being discriminated against.

Just like I know some people don't like me only because I'm American. it's sad.

I wish I was Canadian! Then everyone would like me! No matter what Wayne Gretzky says, everyone I know likes Canada. And not everyone I know likes Russia. Fair or not, that's the way it is. Becca, You are so lucky to be Canadian!

Lola
Feb 24th, 2002, 05:58 PM
IT's not only the Russians who have been discriminated in Salt Lake...

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 26th, 2002, 02:40 AM
yeehaw, Irina the cowgirl:) I am still addicted to that performance. Get me off the vcr! LoL.:)

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 27th, 2002, 04:00 AM
The Russian Princess:drool: :kiss:

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cam04900/Eeoa1.jpg

Crazy Canuck
Feb 27th, 2002, 04:40 AM
"I wish I was Canadian! Then everyone would like me! No matter what Wayne Gretzky says, everyone I know likes Canada. And not everyone I know likes Russia. Fair or not, that's the way it is. Becca, You are so lucky to be Canadian!"

the cat - thats not totally true. I'm sure some people don't like Canadians.
Our freindly, can't do anything wrong nature, is obviously a little exaggerated. I mean , there are at least a couple of us who screw occasionally ;)

Do you have Russian origins, or do you just cheer for many of their athletes cause you think its a great country?

btw - Hingis wins this, thats a lovely pic of Irina :)

the cat
Feb 27th, 2002, 03:37 PM
Becca, I've been fascinated with Russian culture and history for many years. Russian Origins? Well, I used to have a Russian Blue Point cat!

Becca, you're right. That is a lovely picture of Irina. But with my being a longtime member of the World Wildlife Fund, I'm not exactly thrilled that she's wearing a fur coat. I hope it's faux fur! But I doubt it.

babsi
Feb 27th, 2002, 03:59 PM
I am just wondering if anyone has any info on this about Irina which I found today, here it is:

FIGURE SKATING Slutskaya, 22, is the favorite to medal in ladies figure skating at the 2002 Olympics. She has won the Grand Prix of Figure Skating for the last three years (she defeated Michelle Kwan). Irina is a four time European champion. She finished fifth at the Olympics in 1998. However, she has roared back in the last few years. As a side note, we had a 'line' that Iriana was Jewish. We asked our friends at Jewish Sports Review. They had the same "line" and they were able to confirm it. Normally, we do not use their more current information. However, in this one case, due to the timeliness of the information (1/15/2002--close to the Olympics)--we are making an exception. Jewish Sports Review says that Irina has relatives in Israel, is certainly Jewish, but tends to be quiet about the fact that she is Jewish. Jewish Sports Review is a terrific newsletter. You can find out about subscribing by pressing on the following link. The second link is to Irina's official site. There are some nice photos right on the front page of the site. Clarification: We have received the following clarification from a reporter who spoke to a member of the family. Irina's mother is not Jewish. Irina married her husband in a Russian Orthodox ceremony. So, without writing a book, let's put it this way: she is not 'very' Jewish. However, consider the fact that even admitting that one has a Jewish parent is still a problem for athletes in Russia. We are reliably informed that it may create problems in the Russian Athletic Federation. Moreover, there is always a chance of bringing to life latent anti-Semitism among a competition judge if an athlete is "upfront" about their background. As the 2002 games demonstrate---judges are not free of being influenced by things other than the athletes performance. As a consequence, we take a wait and see attitude about Russian Jewish athletes. What we mean is that the situation is changing there and religious/ethnic identity is in a state of flux among many. This all said, Slutskaya will probaly remain what, with great difficulty, we have figured out she is: somebody with a Jewish father; but her primary identification is more as a Russian--and insofar as she is religious--it is probably Christianity that she adheres to. Post-script 2/21: Congratulations to Irina on winning the silver medal at the 2002 games.

Taken from (this may not work): http://www.jewhoo.com/display_entries.asp?p_from=76&p_source=&p_category_id=101

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 27th, 2002, 07:21 PM
what?! Are you sure that article is legit?

Irina said in an interview(from her official site, you can find it in the forums) that she is not Jewish. True, she does have relatives in Israel due to health conditions(like when Irina used the money she earned during the 99-00 season to send her father to Israel to check out the spinal cancer).

She said her dad's mom is half Jewish, but says she is not herself.

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 27th, 2002, 07:26 PM
Irina in her modest apartment back home:o

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cam04900/irinahome5.jpg

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 27th, 2002, 07:28 PM
http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cam04900/irinahome6.jpg

Hingiswinsthis
Feb 27th, 2002, 07:30 PM
hey whatta you know;)

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cam04900/iramagazine.jpg

Hingiswinsthis
Mar 3rd, 2002, 04:56 AM
Good News Irina Fans:

It has been confirmed that Irina IS going to Nagano for the World Championships later this March:):):)

Kwan and Hughes had already been confirmed days ago...

bubble
Mar 3rd, 2002, 03:36 PM
Hingiswinsthis, thanks for the nice pics of Irina.. ;)

Lola
Mar 15th, 2002, 11:54 AM
Hingiswinsthis, thanks for the beautiful pics! :kiss: