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Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:36 AM
I posted this in another thread, but figured more people would see it this way...



http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/winter02/figure/news?id=1337676


Wednesday, February 20, 2002

Denial comes with terse letter from ISU

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Associated Press


SALT LAKE CITY -- The International Skating Union, already facing enough problems with judging controversies, denied it had another one by rejecting Wednesday a protest of the ice dancing results filed by Lithuania.


Margarita Drobiazko and Povilas Vanagas questioned how they could finish fifth in the free dance program when the two teams that finished ahead of them fell, and they didn't. They insist their complaint wasn't to get a medal, only to expose judging inconsistencies.

John Domanskis, a spokesman for the Lithuanian Olympic team, said the ISU's response "was very terse, one sentence. It said, `The judging was fair."'

"Maybe we made our point in some way," he said. "I don't think we're going to pursue it any further. Hopefully we've made a difference for future athletes."

Domanskis said the ice dancers, who are married, accepted the ruling.

"They're fine," he said. "They weren't expecting miracles, but they were hoping for something better than this."

The ISU is already investigating the scandal last week that resulted in the suspension of a French judge and a second set of gold medals for Canadian pairs skaters Jamie Sale and David Pelletier.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:39 AM
Now I'm a little dissapointed to see they didn't even take into account the fact that some of the judges did not even deduct the required deductions from teh Italians or Canadians scores after there respective falls.

I was under the impression that this requires a .2 deduction for the one man fall - and .3 deduction for both pairs falling?

And the presentation marks should obviously be effected by the skaters falling -

But didn't appear to be.

I don't really see how they cant' examine an obvious flaw on the judges part.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:40 AM
not suprised theirs got rejected after all who cares about a"little country"

double standards pffffff

Plus Irina Slutskaya should protest as well as she should have won short program but that will be of little significance if she doesnt finish ahead of Kwan in long program.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:44 AM
Egg- if its any concellation I thought Irina's program was far superior techincally to Kwan's - and while Kwans artistic impression was better in my eyes - it wasn't like Irina's was so bad it should have bumped her into second.

So I agree with u - Irina had the better short program. Too bad I'm not a judge, eh?

But like you said - if makes little difference, as she who wins the long program will take the gold.

The only defense I have for the little attention Lithuania is getting for this - is that it wasn't over the Gold medal, which is obiously held with higher prestige.

But it shouldn't matter- that isn't an excuse at all.

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:45 AM
The technical marks for Kwan were too high.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:47 AM
I've heard that Tine...
Vivalaseles said that she should have gotten a 0.2 deduction, yet still recieved a 5.9 for technical merit?

sigh

Sam L
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:49 AM
"it wasn't over the Gold medal, which is obiously held with higher prestige" ---> I agree. I think they felt it would've made little difference to the final positions (medals). And they probably want to avoid further controversies these games.

A little off topic... but um do any of you know the draw for the Ladies' Free program?

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:51 AM
SamL - check here http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10619

There lists the order for the freeskate.

btw - I don't think that wanting to avoid a controversy is exactly a fair way of deciding to ignore judging flaws. But they did, so what can we do...

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:53 AM
Though I think your right...

Turning over the results in one skating competition was bad enough..

But if they go on to do it in two? Yikes!

With half the competitions original results overturned, the few people who actually stil take the judging of this sport seriously, will no longer be able to do that!

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 11:59 AM
Vivalaseles - we agree on something? :confused: :D :D

Seriously - I've actually learned a lot through all my arguing with you :D Thanks!

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 12:03 PM
And here is another -


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/2002/news/02/20/AFP_TX_20020221_035600_CS47/index.html


Lithuanians ice dance protest thrown out


SALT LAKE CITY, Utah, Feb 20 (AFP) - The protest of Lithuanian ice dancers Margarita Drobiazko and Povilas Vanagas against their fifth placing in the Olympic figure skating final has been rejected by the Internatonal Skating Union (ISU), a spokesperson for the Lithuanian delegation confirmed Wednesday.

The duo lodged their protest Tuesday, the day after they were dumped into fifth place following the free skating final despite the third and fourth placed couples falling.

The spokesperson said that the Lithuanian delegation had received a letter from Alexandr Gorshkov, the ISU referee of Monday's free skating final, rejecting their claim that they had been unfairly judged.

The four-time Olympians hit back at what they claimed were "dirty games" by the judges which resulted in no change in placement among the top eight couples throughout the three rounds of competition.

The husband-and-wife team slammed finishing behind third-placed Barbara Fusar Poli and Maurizio Margaglio of Italy and fourth-placed Canadians Shae-Lynn Bourne and Victor Kraatz, even though both couples had falls.

"We feel very much that we've been dumped down," said 31-year-old Vanagas.

The 10-time national champions said they had been encouraged in their bid by the awarding of a joint gold medal to Canadians Jamie Sale and David Pelletier after it was found that pressure had been brought to bear on one of the judges in the pairs final.

ea/bb

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 12:10 PM
awwww...thanks ;) :D

Crazy Canuck
Feb 21st, 2002, 12:14 PM
GRRROOOOUUUUUPPP HUUUUGGG!!! :D

Sam L
Feb 21st, 2002, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Becca
SamL - check here http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10619

There lists the order for the freeskate.

btw - I don't think that wanting to avoid a controversy is exactly a fair way of deciding to ignore judging flaws. But they did, so what can we do...

Thanx Becca! :kiss:

I've been looking for it everywhere. I can't believe it's Kwan and then Slutskaya last! :eek: Come on Michelle!

Scotso
Feb 21st, 2002, 03:08 PM
I like the Lithuanians... and I certainly think they deserved to be on the podium.

tenn_ace
Feb 21st, 2002, 04:21 PM
all I'm wondering is where are all the media (NBC, CNN, etc etc), posters from this board and thousand and thousands of people asking questions about fairness of the judging in ice dance and women's skating like they did a week ago?


it's not a double standard... I call it HYPOCRACY!
:o

rated_next
Feb 21st, 2002, 04:38 PM
it is because they are lithuanian and not american or canadian

shame on this sport