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gopher
Feb 20th, 2004, 11:40 PM
The comments are quite clear: Kim would have made it here on this underground; Justine had nothing to win here, on top of it she was irritated about not being the real star. In general, the Belgian tennis fans are perceived to be the real victims.
Quite amazing I was attacked for having the same opinion on the board here yesterday....:D

turt
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:12 AM
The comments are quite clear: Kim would have made it here on this underground; Justine had nothing to win here, on top of it she was irritated about not being the real star. In general, the Belgian tennis fans are perceived to be the real victims.
Quite amazing I was attacked for having the same opinion on the board here yesterday....:DMaybe you should read "Le Soir" or "La Libre" and maybe you wouldn't say "belgian press unanimous"... :rolleyes:

(I want to say "La DH" or "Vers l'Avenir" too, but the others are "real" newspapers ;) )

*JR*
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:14 AM
Juju should be pissed about Kim winning awards like "2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year". If anyone can "justify" slights like that (obviously a result of Flemish chauvanism) please enlighten me!

Myskina Lina
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:25 AM
Juju should be pissed about Kim winning awards like "2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year". If anyone can "justify" slights like that (obviously a result of Flemish chauvanism) please enlighten me!
I know, that's like giving Venus & Kim all the GS titles the last two years when Serena & Justine won all the final matches. :rolleyes:

for-sure
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:59 AM
Kim is a b!tch...too bad that the BEL. has not figured it out yet.

for-sure
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:00 AM
Juju should be pissed about Kim winning awards like "2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year". If anyone can "justify" slights like that (obviously a result of Flemish chauvanism) please enlighten me!

I would much rather have three slams than the '2003...Belgian Sportsperson of the Year Award...'

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:01 AM
Juju should be pissed about Kim winning awards like "2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year". If anyone can "justify" slights like that (obviously a result of Flemish chauvanism) please enlighten me!
I thought Justine won 2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year :confused:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:12 AM
This is so petty. I believe Justine. EVERYBODY is soooo jealous.
It's so lame, it's beyond being lame.

Volcana
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:12 AM
The comments are quite clear: Kim would have made it here on this underground; Justine had nothing to win here, on top of it she was irritated about not being the real star. In general, the Belgian tennis fans are perceived to be the real victims.
Quite amazing I was attacked for having the same opinion on the board here yesterday....:D
How about some links to articles, instead of a blanketm unsupported claim? Not that anyone has any reason to doubt you....

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:14 AM
Gopher? Are you even Belgian? There's so many freaking newspapers
there. French, Flemish, German, Dutch, and even English. Bring em all
out and let's see what they say. Don't expect to find it in google either
because they only list certain ones, not every single printed rag in Belgium!!!!!

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:16 AM
IF what every Tom, Dick and Dopey is correct nobody likes Justine.
Let's just forget the fact that these people have never even set
foot in Belgium in there freaking life, much less have a passport
to their name. I'm not even too sure they passed geography class.

Yeah. Right. She's only loved by the local neighbors and perhaps
the fish monger around the block! If she's so unloved...how
could every single person in Belgium be as dissappointed as you say they
are?

By any chance are you a Jen, Kim or Williams fan? Well are you?


Make up your mind. Hated by everyone? Hated by all of Belgium?
Hated by all tennis fans? Hated by dog lovers? Get it straight
Hated by readers of Tennis Week? ESPN Sports Center?
already!!!!!!!!!

:haha:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:21 AM
Gopher? Are you even Belgian? There's so many freaking newspapers
there. French, Flemish, German, Dutch, and even English. Bring em all
out and let's see what they say. Don't expect to find it in google either
because they only list certain ones, not every single printed rag in Belgium!!!!!
Leave it Greeny, it's not worth the trouble. It doesn't even really matter if every Belgian newspaper claims Justine forfeited falsely. Like Lei Clijsters says, "It all gets blown out of proportion" ;)

besides, this arguing with rodents and the like is bringing back an oft used biblical phrase on this board....what was it again?..oh yeah: Pearls before swine ;)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:23 AM
I just woke up. It's saturday morning and I have a horrendous headache.
Could not sleep at all last night. I'm just in a very sucky mood!

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:24 AM
Did see some nice pics of the Justinator being interviewed by Sabine Applemens
on some person's private web photo album from the official site.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:24 AM
I just woke up. It's saturday morning and I have a horrendous headache.
Could not sleep at all last night. I'm just in a very sucky mood!*mails over some ginger-ale, a popsicle and the latest edition of Chicken Soup for the Tennis Fan soul* ;)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:26 AM
*mails over some ginger-ale and a popsicle* ;)


It's just I'm up to here in crap today!. I finished cleaning the kitty
litter box. God, I hate doing that. If only cat learned how to squat
and use a human toilet. Forget about cloning sheep. Create a
cat that can use the human toilet. :lol:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:29 AM
Here's a picture of the little bastard! And no it's not Justine!

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:31 AM
It's just I'm up to here in crap today!. I finished cleaning the kitty
litter box. God, I hate doing that. If only cat learned how to squat
and use a human toilet. Forget about cloning sheep. Create a
cat that can use the human toilet. :lol:
You could do that...but then you'd forget you had a pet in the first place. I mean they aren't exactly the most attention-seeking creatures to begin with. :p Or you could get a dog and move to France...rumour has it that nobody has to clean up after their dogs in Paris ;)

ßcoene
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:33 AM
I thought Justine won 2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year :confused:
You are right :yeah:

Kim won the sports personality award, but that's something different.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:33 AM
Here's a picture of the little bastard! And no it's not Justine!
you named him after Figo?! Does he have a ball at least ;) and that floor looks right out of a presidential villa :eek:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:40 AM
You could do that...but then you'd forget you had a pet in the first place. I mean they aren't exactly the most attention-seeking creatures to begin with. :p Or you could get a dog and move to France...rumour has it that nobody has to clean up after their dogs in Paris ;)


I'm not really a dog person. I don't mind Jack Russell Terriers.

Is there something here? Are Justine supporters into cat's or
something? Are Kim supporters Dog people? It would match
the attitude...

Dog- begging for attention and always willing to please.

Cat- Do it their way or take the highway. Not willing to please.
Couldn't give a f*ck about you, unless you happen to forget
to feed them.


:haha:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:46 AM
I'm not really a dog person. I don't mind Jack Russell Terriers.

Is there something here? Are Justine supporters into cat's or
something? Are Kim supporters Dog people? It would match
the attitude...

Dog- begging for attention and always willing to please.

Cat- Do it their way or take the highway. Not willing to please.
Couldn't give a f*ck about you, unless you happen to forget
to feed them.


:haha:
hey shutcho mouf, I'm a dog person :nerner:...though my dog thinks she controls me and not the other way around :o

*feels so used*:sad:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:54 AM
hey shutcho mouf, I'm a dog person :nerner:...though my dog thinks she controls me and not the other way around :o

*feels so used*:sad:


Oh. Sorry dude. So much for that theory(throws paper out the window).
Maybe you secretly like Kim? ;) A closet Kim supporter? :tape:
Perhaps you dog likes Kim?

About the floor. The condo is a rental. It's owned by these nice
friendly Singaporean Muslims. I never noticed the tiles before, they
like ornate stuff. The second level loft is rented out as office space.
Whenever I was watching the AO 2004 one of them would pass by
to the kitchen for coffee and say..."so, which Belgian is that again?
How do you say her name?". :haha:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:02 AM
Oh. Sorry dude. So much for that theory(throws paper out the window).
Maybe you secretly like Kim? ;) A closet Kim supporter? :tape:
Perhaps you dog likes Kim?

About the floor. The condo is a rental. It's owned by these nice
friendly Singaporean Muslims. I never noticed the tiles before, they
like ornate stuff. The second level loft is rented out as office space.
Whenever I was watching the AO 2004 one of them would pass by
to the kitchen for coffee and say..."so, which Belgian is that again?
How do you say her name?". :haha:
Singaporean Muslims eh? You should ask them for some cheers in Arabic ;) One of my mom's friends moved to Manila from Canada and they're renting out one of "The Marcos's" old houses :eek:, and have several maids who are willing to prepare sushi at any time of day ;) Life is so much nicer in those parts. We were supposed to visit them last summer with a stopover in Singapore (cuz my mom likes Singaporean gold :o), but damn SARS got in the way :(

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:39 AM
Does anybody know if the Justinatrix likes dogs or cats?






Maybe she doesn't need an extra pet? Justine already has
Pierre Yves. :haha:

jenny161185
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:46 AM
greenout your cat is gorgeous

*JR*
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:52 AM
I thought Justine won 2003 Belgian Sportswoman of the Year :confused:
I can't recall "for sure" but even If It was "just" a Close Contest, Juju got dissed bigtime. BTW, one Flemish paper (De Morgen) isn't a Propaganda Piece for Lei; thus Kim doesn't Always Answer their questions @ press sessions. Also, nice orange tabby, Greeny. ;)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:02 AM
greenout your cat is gorgeous


Thanks for the kitty compliments everyone.


I watched a BBC documentary/report on the so called
Flemish/Waloon split in politics last year. It was really
interesting. There's a group of Flemmish politico's that
want to breakaway from Southern Belgium. :haha:

Considering that they couldn't keep their national
flagship airline carrier going after the 9/11 tragedy and
the decline of international travel, I'm surprised that
someone even thinks it makes sense to break
Belgium apart.

vettipooh
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:31 AM
Greenout,your cat looks like he/she has great personality.Thanks for the pic!Cool cat!!!

Knizzle
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:32 AM
I know, that's like giving Venus & Kim all the GS titles the last two years when Serena & Justine won all the final matches. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:37 AM
Cats rule.

Lynx
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:58 AM
Cats rule.
Yes they do :). (But I wouldn't compare Henin to a cat - no way! :p)

Lynx
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:59 AM
How about some links to articles, instead of a blanketm unsupported claim? Not that anyone has any reason to doubt you....
I'll give gopher a hand :p.

No links to the actual articles and papers, but a link to the news-site of the Flemish public television, which gives a summary, citing 4 papers (3 Flemish ones and 1 Walloon). (Most papers in Belgium don't have free sites: access to the articles is often reserved for their subscribers.)

Here is the link (http://vrtnieuws.streampower.be/nieuwsnet_master/default/sport/overzicht/040220_kranten_Henin/index.html)

BTW:in the north of Belgium the language is Dutch, but it's often called Flemish, to make clear it has to do with Belgium and not with the Netherlands. In the south people speak French, but I call the paper "Walloon" to distinguish it from papers from France.

Names of the papers:
Het Laatste Nieuws = The Latest News
De Morgen = The Morning
Het Nieuwsblad = The Newspaper (sic - but then, "a newspaper" is called "een krant" in Dutch/Flemish)
La Dernière Heure (Walloon) = The Latest Hour

translation________________________

"Wouldn't like to be in shoes husband Henin"

friday 02-20-04 - The papers are not mild about the last-minute withdrawal of Justine Henin-Hardenne at the Diamond Games. Not only the Flemish papers but also the Walloon "La Dernière Heure" doesn't approve of the withdrawal.

Het Laatste Nieuws: "Kim Clijsters would have played. We're sure of that", Het Laatste Nieuws says. "But then, Clijsters doesn't win Grand Slams", the paper adds. "Could be, though, that Henin didn't want to lose her psychological edge over Clijsters. Henin wants to win, even if she has to disappoint people doing so. The single-mindedness (it says "tunnel-vision" - but is that a word?) of the champion. It's a choice: happiness or fame. We wouldn't like to be in the shoes of Pierre-Yves."

De Morgen: De Morgen, already on bad terms with Lei Clijsters, thinks the withdrawal of Henin is fishy: "Her illness almost came on cue. She didn't seem to care much. In an earlier interview she already criticized the organisation (of the tournament). But anybody who can read between the lines knows what was behind that irritation. Clijsters is all-important in Antwerp. So this has to do with the deeper rivalry between the two camps. Her maniacal drive challenges admiration on the court, but her harsh rectilineal (?) way of thinking makes one shiver. She cannot talk with trophies alone."[/b][/size]

Het Nieuwsblad: Irony in Het Nieuwsblad: "It isn't easy, to have to play tennis while it doesn't fit in your calendar. And then more "bad luck" happens. A bronchitis prevents her to perform for her fans from "the country with the best quality to live", as she told the king. And she had been too tired already to collect her trophy of Sportswoman of the Year. Hopefully Henin gets well soon, so that her schedule won't suffer anymore."

At the south of the language-barrier La Dernière Heure shows understanding for the withdrawal itself, but not for the timing: "She's punishing not only the organisation - which has to change the program in no time - but above all the fans."
__________________________________

Ted of Teds Tennis
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:06 AM
It's too bad the search is disabled here, or else I'd go back and find my post where I suggested a player (I think it was Justine) being pilloried for claiming a stomach bug ought to throw up on the fans to prove it. :)

BTW, Greenout, Figo looks like Data's cat Spot on "Star Trek: The Next Generation". :cool:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:18 AM
Yes they do :). (But I wouldn't compare Henin to a cat - no way! :p)


I dunno. Justine and Figo? Both of them swagger when they
walk, and are bowl legged. :worship:

:haha:

JustineTime
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:34 AM
"Kim Clijsters would have played. We're sure of that", Het Laatste Nieuws says. "But then, Clijsters doesn't win Grand Slams", :haha:

Hey, Greeny, how much did ya pay for Morris there? Does he give autographs? :hehehe:

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 08:23 AM
The Flemish press is really annoying me over the last year. They don't show respect to Justine and even to Kim if she dares to something they don't agree with (like the olympic thing...)
They have never been this disrespectful to any sportsman or sportswoman. It's just unbelievable.
What I hate most as that they pretend to speak for all Flemish people as if we don't like Justine.
They should realize how many fanatic Flemish Justine has and how much every shitty article they write hurts us....

turt
Feb 21st, 2004, 08:54 AM
I'll give gopher a hand :p.

No links to the actual articles and papers, but a link to the news-site of the Flemish public television, which gives a summary, citing 4 papers (3 Flemish ones and 1 Walloon). (Most papers in Belgium don't have free sites: access to the articles is often reserved for their subscribers.)

Here is the link (http://vrtnieuws.streampower.be/nieuwsnet_master/default/sport/overzicht/040220_kranten_Henin/index.html)

BTW:in the north of Belgium the language is Dutch, but it's often called Flemish, to make clear it has to do with Belgium and not with the Netherlands. In the south people speak French, but I call the paper "Walloon" to distinguish it from papers from France.

Names of the papers:

Het Laatste Nieuws = The Latest News
De Morgen = The Morning
Het Nieuwsblad = The Newspaper (sic - but then, "a newspaper" is called "een krant" in Dutch/Flemish)
La Dernière Heure (Walloon) = The Latest Hour

translation________________________

"Wouldn't like to be in shoes husband Henin"

friday 02-20-04 - The papers are not mild about the last-minute withdrawal of Justine Henin-Hardenne at the Diamond Games. Not only the Flemish papers but also the Walloon "La Dernière Heure" doesn't approve of the withdrawal.

Het Laatste Nieuws: "Kim Clijsters would have played. We're sure of that", Het Laatste Nieuws says. "But then, Clijsters doesn't win Grand Slams", the paper adds. "Could be, though, that Henin didn't want to lose her psychological edge over Clijsters. Henin wants to win, even if she has to disappoint people doing so. The single-mindedness (it says "tunnel-vision" - but is that a word?) of the champion. It's a choice: happiness or fame. We wouldn't like to be in the shoes of Pierre-Yves."

De Morgen: De Morgen, already on bad terms with Lei Clijsters, thinks the withdrawal of Henin is fishy: "Her illness almost came on cue. She didn't seem to care much. In an earlier interview she already criticized the organisation (of the tournament). But anybody who can read between the lines knows what was behind that irritation. Clijsters is all-important in Antwerp. So this has to do with the deeper rivalry between the two camps. Her maniacal drive challenges admiration on the court, but her harsh rectilineal (?) way of thinking makes one shiver. She cannot talk with trophies alone."[/b][/size]

Het Nieuwsblad: Irony in Het Nieuwsblad: "It isn't easy, to have to play tennis while it doesn't fit in your calendar. And then more "bad luck" happens. A bronchitis prevents her to perform for her fans from "the country with the best quality to live", as she told the king. And she had been too tired already to collect her trophy of Sportswoman of the Year. Hopefully Henin gets well soon, so that her schedule won't suffer anymore."

At the south of the language-barrier La Dernière Heure shows understanding for the withdrawal itself, but not for the timing: "She's punishing not only the organisation - which has to change the program in no time - but above all the fans."
__________________________________What about "Le Soir"?

There's a nice article about how easy some people attack Justine, but they defend her, and they applaud her decision of withdrawing, based on sports considerations. They also talk about the flemish press, trying to create a "nice kimmie" vs. "bad Justine" situation...
I don't have time now to tranlate, but it's interesting!

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Le temps de la « Juju » est révolu

20 février 2004

Nul doute que l’image de marque de Justine Henin prendra un sacré coup sur la tête. Nul doute, aussi, que la presse néerlandophone aura tôt fait, dans ses colonnes de vendredi, de faire du petit bois avec la raquette et la réputation de la Rochefortoise.

Elle n’aura pas manqué de souligner le fossé qui se creuse toujours davantage entre la « sympathique » Kim (c’est comme ça qu’on la présente au micro du Sportpaleis lors de sa montée sur le court), qui sourit en permanence et qui n’hésite pas à changer les horaires de ses matchs pour satisfaire le public (et l’organisateur) et la « méchante » Justine dont le statut de meilleure joueuse de la planète, entend-on ou lit-on parfois, lui monte à la tête.

Et pourtant, si l’on veut bien réfléchir un instant à tête reposée sur ce qui vient de se passer, si l’on privilégie l’aspect sportif plutôt que celui humain, on est forcé de reconnaître que non seulement Justine Henin, tout de même la nº1 mondiale du tennis féminin actuel, a bien fait de déclarer forfait mais qu’en plus sa décision doit apparaître comme extrêmement courageuse.

Le public qui se sera rendu pour rien à Anvers n’aura pas manqué lui non plus de pester sur cette fille, dont la supériorité est telle qu’elle la rend forcément insolente, une impression que le sérieux qu’elle se grave sur le visage lors de ses apparitions à l’air libre n’arrange en rien. Mais c’est ce même public qui réclame de la part de son idole les plus belles victoires. Et, sur ce plan-là, depuis un certain tournoi de Dubaï qui démarrera ce lundi et où elle sera la tenante du titre, personne ne pourra reprocher à Henin son manque de générosité.

Au moment de prendre ma décision, je n’ai pas songé à ce que pourraient penser les gens, a dit Henin. Mon image de marque ne me tracasse pas plus que ça parce que ma saison est encore longue. Cette décision prouve que j’ai grandi et que j’ai pris de l’expérience car, il y a deux ans, je n’aurais pas pu la prendre.

Le temps de la « Juju » des débuts est bel et bien révolu. Il est temps d’en prendre conscience.

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 21st, 2004, 09:45 AM
Sounds a bit like the syndrome of trying to cut down the (not very in Juju's case) tall poppy. Is this common over there? It's certainly a favourite pastime in Australia. Hewitt and Scud get heaps of unfair criticism in their own country.

tennnisfannn
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:12 AM
Sounds a bit like the syndrome of trying to cut down the (not very in Juju's case) tall poppy. Is this common over there? It's certainly a favourite pastime in Australia. Hewitt and Scud get heaps of unfair criticism in their own country.You got a point there. I felt terrible when I saw the slack Philipousis had to take when he lost the Davis cup, yet two months ago he had just won the Davis cup for australia. You would think that would count for something.
If justine doesn't feel well enough to play she has very right not to. She doesn't owe anyone her life or anything for that matter. Just Adidas and she is doing plaenty for them already.
I seem to spend so much time defending Justine, I am very close to becoming a fan.:devil:

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:40 AM
In La Dernière Heure, they are not pleased with Justine's withdrawals as they say about Patty Schnyder "She was not at her best, but she tried to play, her" Actually it's hard to translated in english because in french the "her" means "elle" to say that comparing to an other player who wasn't at her best either, Patty Schnyder still tried to play

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:49 AM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days. It's so obvious that all the flemish press doesn't like Justine at all. The only thing they're doing is making Justine look like a bitch while Kim is the angel. Worst thing is that people are actually believing this crap, while there aren't even good tennisjournalists in this country.

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:53 AM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days. It's so obvious that all the flemish press doesn't like Justine at all. The only thing they're doing is making Justine look like a bitch while Kim is the angel. Worst thing is that people are actually believing this crap, while there aren't even good tennisjournalists in this country.

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.
I totally agree, it's a sad thing. did you see all the reactions on the forum from VRT? I hope thay start to realize how many Flemish fans justine has....

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:57 AM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days. It's so obvious that all the flemish press doesn't like Justine at all. The only thing they're doing is making Justine look like a bitch while Kim is the angel. Worst thing is that people are actually believing this crap, while there aren't even good tennisjournalists in this country.

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.



I'm still not feeling better. Not going out tonight. I'll watch football
or something.

Anyway- Per4ever you'll just have to take it as a compliment of sorts.
The amount of newsprint that is dedicated to thrashing Juju is in ratio
to her importance. She really worries her opponents. If she wasn't
a threat nor of greatness...they wouldn't even think about her.

I'm getting to think alot of hogwash thrown in Juju's direction has to
do with the fact that the tournament this year is a bit of a disaster with
so many no shows. Venus now claims not to have been injured to
make her public appearances at the Elle event and in London look less
irresponsible. Juju was strong and noble enough to do a public press
interview about her leaving the event before her match.

They'll forget once Juju wins another tournament and makes them
embarrassed to have said such nasty comments. The media will
always come back and "suck up". Just watch!! :)

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:59 AM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days. It's so obvious that all the flemish press doesn't like Justine at all. The only thing they're doing is making Justine look like a bitch while Kim is the angel. Worst thing is that people are actually believing this crap, while there aren't even good tennisjournalists in this country.

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???

I agree with you.
Justine couldn't play in Antwerpen, The flemish journalists hate Justine.

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.

Why don't the flemish people like the Walloons. I think Justine need to play Fed Cup because She plays for Belgium(not for flemish part of Belgium).

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:02 AM
Why don't the flemish people like the Walloons. I think Justine need to play Fed Cup because She plays for Belgium(not for flemish part of Belgium).
It's not like that at all, a lot of flemish people (including me and many others here) prefer Justine and cheer for her.
It are the media that tell the story as if the flemish people like Kim and the walloons like Justine...

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:02 AM
They should realize how many fanatic Flemish Justine has

I agree with the word "fanatic" :devil: :tape:

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:04 AM
I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore.

:)

She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.

Yeah, the Americans sure love her :tape: :lol: :o

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:04 AM
I agree with the word "fanatic" :devil: :tape:
Very interesting comment, thanks bram :p

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:05 AM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days. It's so obvious that all the flemish press doesn't like Justine at all. The only thing they're doing is making Justine look like a bitch while Kim is the angel. Worst thing is that people are actually believing this crap, while there aren't even good tennisjournalists in this country.

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.
It's not like Kim did like if she was playing before she withdrew :rolleyes: Kim said long before she withdrew that she was injured and that she might not playing but that she'll try to play...

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:05 AM
:)



Yeah, the Americans sure love her :tape: :lol: :o
the press respects her, that's what he 's talking about

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:06 AM
:)



Yeah, the Americans sure love her :tape: :lol: :o


Well...how many other GRAND SLAM Belgian champions are
there to dislike? :haha:

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:07 AM
It's not like Kim did like if she was playing before she withdrew :rolleyes: Kim said long before she withdrew that she was injured and that she might not playing but that she'll try to play...
I am not saying Kim did anything wrong in sydney, because she didn't. Just want to say that Justine did say she was sick and wasn't sure she was going to play

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:08 AM
So, my question is this? Why are Kim fans so mean spirited?

From what I gather Kim ,due to the fact there are more Flemish
speakers in Belgium has always been the favored player, has
always been promoted before Justine- yet the Juju fans have
never had any harboured ill will toward Kim? or has it always
been a tug of war between cats and dogs?

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:08 AM
It's not like that at all, a lot of flemish people (including me and many others here) prefer Justine and cheer for her.
It are the media that tell the story as if the flemish people like Kim and the walloons like Justine...

Do Walloon journalists writte a bad things about Kim?

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:11 AM
Do Walloon journalists writte a bad things about Kim?
I wouldn't call it bad things but (actually till before this week) they were really insinuating how Kim was inferior compared to Justine. Like "she is too childish to win a Grand Slam"...

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:15 AM
It all just seems to silly to fight. Isn't the real enemy the establishment
of the other tennis stars from the USA or Russia or France or wherever
else?

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:24 AM
I wouldn't call it bad things but (actually till before this week) they were really insinuating how Kim was inferior compared to Justine. Like "she is too childish to win a Grand Slam"...
may be she is?? isn't it clear that Justine is the better player by now? How many times does she have to prove it???

Yesterday Kim was announced on court like this: 'the number 2 player in the world, but the real number 1 in our hearts'. PATHETIC!!!!!!!! So he speaks in name of all belgian fans??

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:25 AM
So, my question is this? Why are Kim fans so mean spirited?

From what I gather Kim ,due to the fact there are more Flemish
speakers in Belgium has always been the favored player, has
always been promoted before Justine- yet the Juju fans have
never had any harboured ill will toward Kim? or has it always
been a tug of war between cats and dogs?
They can't accept the fact that their own lil nice Kimmie loses against a mean walloon Justine all the time :)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:25 AM
Oh MY GOD!

I just got a nice whiplashing personal message
for my supposed infantile post about
Belgian politics. Thanks alot!

I never said I knew ANYTHING about Belgian politics. All I posted was that
there was documentary/report on the BBC about some local politicos who
want to break Belgium apart. The local airline did go under, this is a FACT.
I'm learning. It's all new to me. Don't put words in my mouth and say
I was quote un quote "talking Shit".

I will never mention Belgian politics again. Kill me If I do. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

katrientje
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:25 AM
Yesterday Kim was announced on court like this: 'the number 2 player in the world, but the real number 1 in our hearts'. PATHETIC!!!!!!!! So he speaks in name of all belgian fans??
That was just terrible! I was soooo mad.

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:29 AM
They can't accept the fact that their own lil nice Kimmie loses against a mean walloon Justine all the time :)
Who is "their"?

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:29 AM
may be she is?? isn't it clear that Justine is the better player by now? How many times does she have to prove it???

Yesterday Kim was announced on court like this: 'the number 2 player in the world, but the real number 1 in our hearts'. PATHETIC!!!!!!!! So he speaks in name of all belgian fans??

I agree with you. that isn't ok (pathetic)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:32 AM
I agree with you. that isn't ok (pathetic)


Watch out what you say...Kim fans might send you nasty PM's too!
:haha:

Lore
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:32 AM
People, justine is sportwomen of the year 2003, kim has just won the "sportpersoonlijkheid of the year 2003" that's something else. you vote for the person you like the most, not for how much finales they won. so, for me kim is the best person of the two to win that, 'cause she is sympathieker.!
:wavey:

Lady
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:33 AM
OMG :eek: Thay act like Justine isn't Belgian :eek:

Greeny, you cat is just :hearts:

I'm a Justine fan & I'm into cats too ;)

Mine's Big, Black & weights more then 8 kg ;)
Maybe I should paste his pic too? :angel:

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:36 AM
People, justine is sportwomen of the year 2003, kim has just won the "sportpersoonlijkheid of the year 2003" that's something else. you vote for the person you like the most, not for how much finales they won. so, for me kim is the best person of the two to win that, 'cause she is sympathieker.!
:wavey:

I don't know who is better person but for me Kim and Justine are so sweet.

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:36 AM
OMG :eek: Thay act like Justine isn't Belgian :eek:

Greeny, you cat is just :hearts:

I'm a Justine fan & I'm into cats too ;)

Mine's Big, Black & weights more then 8 kg ;)
Maybe I should paste his pic too? :angel:


Yes, please post your cat's pic, and Justine's pic too.

This thread is getting way
to heavy and serious.
It's getting very political and uncomfortable.

:)

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:53 AM
the flemish people in general.. although there are lots of Justine fans in Flanders too :)

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:55 AM
Why do you call her "nice lil Kimmie" btw?
Aren't you a Kim fan? :tape:

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:59 AM
I'm no Kimfan, but I do respect her as a great tennisplayer. Something lots of fans don't have for Justine.

fleemke³
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:03 PM
Just want to say 5 things:

1. Antwerp is a Clijsters-tournament
2. Justine sais on monday that she wouldn't play if she wasn't a 100% fit
3. Belgian/Flemish press SUCKS ... yesterday in big capitals: "Justine HeNNin" :rolleyes:
4. I'm a flemisch speaking Belgian person and I like Justine :p
5. ... err nothing ;)

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:05 PM
Just want to say 5 things:

1. Antwerp is a Clijsters-tournament

Of course it is when Justine doesn't play ;)

fleemke³
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:07 PM
Of course it is when Justine doesn't play ;)
:p:p:p

Lady
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:08 PM
Ok, here's my Kitty ;)

His name is Jovanny Thunder Black :angel:
But you can call him Jonny...

Not the best pics, but these are the 1st ones I could find

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:11 PM
Ok, here's my Kitty ;)

His name is Jovanny Thunder Black :angel:
But you can call him Jonny...

Not the best pics, but these are the 1st ones I could find


What a beauty of a cat! I wouldn't mind getting a black cat,
they look so cool. uh..yeah. Sorry, old what's his name is
still here. Don't think Figo want's the competition. :p

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:13 PM
I wouldn't call it bad things but (actually till before this week) they were really insinuating how Kim was inferior compared to Justine. Like "she is too childish to win a Grand Slam"...Please, would you stop writing LIES all over the board. You really have go a problem : you're a kim fan and you don't like Justine. No problem for the moment. But , as the flemish press is talking trash about Justine, you think the only way to "justify" those craps is to say that french-speaking newspapers do the same with Kim , which is absolutely NOT TRUE . I may add that 1. the only newspapers you keeps refering about is actually a TABLOID ( off course, serious newspapers don't go your way, so why bother mentionning them? ) 2. every single tennis reporters once said that , maybe , kim is too nice to win big, but how is tat a critic?

Maybe i'm getting too upset on that thing, but i really don't like how you try to say that the way flemish press consider Justine is normal because such a lack of respect isn't normal at all.
You don't like Justine, fine, but don't tell me that it's "kind of normal" to show such a lack of respect,

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:14 PM
You really have go a problem : you're a kim fan and you don't like Justine.

LOL! Aren't you a Justine fan who doesn't like Kim? :lol:

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:17 PM
Just want to say 5 things:

1. Antwerp is a Clijsters-tournament
2. Justine sais on monday that she wouldn't play if she wasn't a 100% fit
3. Belgian/Flemish press SUCKS ... yesterday in big capitals: "Justine HeNNin" :rolleyes:
4. I'm a flemisch speaking Belgian person and I like Justine :p
5. ... err nothing ;)

I agree with you!

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:18 PM
I'm a kimfan but I like Justine very much too.

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:20 PM
You got a point there. I felt terrible when I saw the slack Philipousis had to take when he lost the Davis cup, yet two months ago he had just won the Davis cup for australia. You would think that would count for something.
If justine doesn't feel well enough to play she has very right not to. She doesn't owe anyone her life or anything for that matter. Just Adidas and she is doing plaenty for them already.
I seem to spend so much time defending Justine, I am very close to becoming a fan. :devil:

Yeah,come to the dark side :devil: It's so much more better down here :p

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:21 PM
LOL! Aren't you a Justine fan who doesn't like Kim? :lol:
If you had read properly my whole post, you would have seen that, right after the sentence you quote, i wrote " No problem for the moment".

Read clearly first, please

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:31 PM
Yeah,come to the dark side :devil: It's so much more better down here :p



Come on to the very Dark Side. :worship:



She's not leaving and neither is *Figo(aka: the Monster)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lady
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:32 PM
My cat is so much more beautiful in reality, Greeny! The pics don't show half of it ;)
And he's too smart for us, he basicly rules the house ;)

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:33 PM
For the record, Het Laatste Nieuws and Het Nieuwsblad aren't exactly quality newspapers, they're borderline tabloid. They write things that'll shock because that's what sells.

I have De Standaard lying next to me, and there there's no mention at all of her withdrawal being fake. They just report what was said at the press conference.

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:33 PM
If you had read properly my whole post, you would have seen that, right after the sentence you quote, i wrote " No problem for the moment".

Read clearly first, please
Oh yes and "No problem for the moment" is such a clear sentence.

Lady
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:34 PM
Oh, Figo The Cat :hearts:

Cats are my weakness :o

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:34 PM
For the record, Het Laatste Nieuws and Het Nieuwsblad aren't exactly quality newspapers, they're borderline tabloid. They write things that'll shock because that's what sells.

I have De Standaard lying next to me, and there there's no mention at all of her withdrawal being fake. They just report what was said at the press conference.
Well "De Morgen" is not a tabloid...

De Morgen: De Morgen, already on bad terms with Lei Clijsters, thinks the withdrawal of Henin is fishy: "Her illness almost came on cue. She didn't seem to care much. In an earlier interview she already criticized the organisation (of the tournament). But anybody who can read between the lines knows what was behind that irritation. Clijsters is all-important in Antwerp. So this has to do with the deeper rivalry between the two camps. Her maniacal drive challenges admiration on the court, but her harsh rectilineal (?) way of thinking makes one shiver. She cannot talk with trophies alone."

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:36 PM
I'm no Kimfan, but I do respect her as a great tennisplayer. Something lots of fans don't have for Justine.

Don't be pathetic, K!:tape::p
Admit you hate her guts!:angel:;)

Why do you all keep on whining??
If you're not interested, don't look, if you only like to see JHH, then don't watch Kim and vv. Life's much more easier like that, whining shortens you life (and writing letters to Het Laatste nieuws too for that matter or was it another K??--and for Evi it's to BvL, een beetje zout erin strooien, he!)

And they both get their part of the crap from time to time by Belgian press, and they both don't deserve it.

So live and let live! Not that difficult!

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:36 PM
Well "De Morgen" is not a tabloid...

De Morgen: De Morgen, already on bad terms with Lei Clijsters, thinks the withdrawal of Henin is fishy: "Her illness almost came on cue. She didn't seem to care much. In an earlier interview she already criticized the organisation (of the tournament). But anybody who can read between the lines knows what was behind that irritation. Clijsters is all-important in Antwerp. So this has to do with the deeper rivalry between the two camps. Her maniacal drive challenges admiration on the court, but her harsh rectilineal (?) way of thinking makes one shiver. She cannot talk with trophies alone."
Maybe they try to suck up to the Clijstersclan since Lei announced they would never answer there question :rolleyes:

Chance
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:36 PM
it's disappointing to read what certain sections of the Belgian press is saying about Justine, especially what the announcer said.
this thread reminded me of the similarities between Justine and the Williams...

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:37 PM
No, De Morgen isn't a tabloid, but it's very left and always looking for conspiracy theories.
Anyway, you can hardly say that the press is 'unanimous'.

Lady
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:41 PM
it's disappointing to read what certain sections of the Belgian press is saying about Justine, especially what the announcer said.
this thread reminded me of the similarities between Justine and the Williams...

Yes, and that is part of the reason why my love for WS has grown since I joined this board ;)

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:44 PM
And it is true:Justine didn't get the attention she deserved at Antwerp.I'm not talking about the audience (if you got 6000 kids coming to watch you give a clinic to cancerill kids,you can't say they don't like you) but the organisation.I mean,it's Kim this Kim that,blablabla.I understand that she get's allot of attention but they are acting as if she's the number one.They barely give Justine any attention,and that in her own country :eek: I'm sorry but I can understand Justine if she gets mad,since they don't show the respect to her she deserves.Last year Justine came there as the worldnumber 4 without a major victory in her hands.This year she comes back as the world #1 and 3 GS-victories and she still doesn't get the respect she deserves.Justine is as Belgian as Kim,and maybe even more.BUt they are acting as if she comes from an other planet.One thing is sure:if she Justine comes back to play this tournament next year,than she'll come back for the fans and for her sponsors.But certainly not for the organisation.And don't even mention the press :rolleyes:

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:44 PM
may be she is?? isn't it clear that Justine is the better player by now? How many times does she have to prove it???

Yesterday Kim was announced on court like this: 'the number 2 player in the world, but the real number 1 in our hearts'. PATHETIC!!!!!!!! So he speaks in name of all belgian fans??
That's not the point here, the point is that the French speaking press just do for Kim like the flemish one does for Justine! So... If you can't live with it just come in Wallonia and that's all!

Personnaly, I don't give a fuck about french speaking press about what they are telling about Kim.

As for the speaker... the fans that were there for a Kim match session, I suppose they are, for most of them, Kim's fans... so yeah, #1 in our hearts!

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:44 PM
Don't be pathetic, K!:tape::p
Admit you hate her guts!:angel:;)

Why do you all keep on whining??

what guts???

Don't you think it sad, that on a moment where we are having two of the best tennisplayers in the world, that the press is trying to create fights between them??

I think it's very sad to see how little respect they have for Justine. 'if you're not interested then don't look'.. lol no just let them do whatever they're doing:rolleyes:

fleemke³
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM
Don't be pathetic, K!:tape::p
Admit you hate her guts!:angel:;)

Why do you all keep on whining??
If you're not interested, don't look, if you only like to see JHH, then don't watch Kim and vv. Life's much more easier like that, whining shortens you life (and writing letters to Het Laatste nieuws too for that matter or was it another K??--and for Evi it's to BvL, een beetje zout erin strooien, he!)

And they both get their part of the crap from time to time by Belgian press, and they both don't deserve it.

So live and let live! Not that difficult!
Well I do write letters to newspapers but only when they went WAY to far. Ok it happens more and more but I only wrote after Lei's great announcements after the USOpen and after the AO-final when the press was saying it was Justine's fault that the ball went out.

And about respect to Kim, and other players, well I do have respect for Kim but sometimes it's hard to have it when newspapers are praising her and bashing on Justine all the time. I KNOW it isn't Kim's fault but it's sometimes hard to draw the line. In Antwerp it was the same ... that people are talking always good about Kim is one thing and I can imagine Kim is easier to work with, she is more open, than Justine but they are always bashing on Justine! always! They really doesn't have to talk good about Justine all the time for me but please some respect! ... or am I asking to much? (btw I'm not talking to Kim-fans but to the press and organisation of the tournament!)

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:46 PM
that's bullshit and you know it.. I read the wallonian press too. They are much more belgian then the flemish press.

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:49 PM
Of course it's sad that this sh*t is happening and all the press stuff and anything else.
But what are you gonna do about it.
It's been mentioned so many times, the goal from papers and other media people is TO SELL, nothing more, nothing less. Objectivity doens't sell, so they have to come up with everything that spices up the 'real' stories.

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:50 PM
Please, would you stop writing LIES all over the board. You really have go a problem : you're a kim fan and you don't like Justine. No problem for the moment. But , as the flemish press is talking trash about Justine, you think the only way to "justify" those craps is to say that french-speaking newspapers do the same with Kim , which is absolutely NOT TRUE . I may add that 1. the only newspapers you keeps refering about is actually a TABLOID ( off course, serious newspapers don't go your way, so why bother mentionning them? ) 2. every single tennis reporters once said that , maybe , kim is too nice to win big, but how is tat a critic?

Maybe i'm getting too upset on that thing, but i really don't like how you try to say that the way flemish press consider Justine is normal because such a lack of respect isn't normal at all.
You don't like Justine, fine, but don't tell me that it's "kind of normal" to show such a lack of respect,Those aren't lies!!! Buy La dernière heure, read page 14 if I remember well...

Telling someone of 20 years old is childish... I think it's kinda a critic!

Anyway, the fact is that the whole belgian press is :rolleyes: not only the French speaking or only the Dutch speaking one, just both!

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:52 PM
Fleem, then just make up your own mind about this all situation Justine-Kim in stead of letting you lead by the press.

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:53 PM
And it is true:Justine didn't get the attention she deserved at Antwerp.I'm not talking about the audience (if you got 6000 kids coming to watch you give a clinic to cancerill kids,you can't say they don't like you) but the organisation.I mean,it's Kim this Kim that,blablabla.I understand that she get's allot of attention but they are acting as if she's the number one.They barely give Justine any attention,and that in her own country :eek: I'm sorry but I can understand Justine if she gets mad,since they don't show the respect to her she deserves.Last year Justine came there as the worldnumber 4 without a major victory in her hands.This year she comes back as the world #1 and 3 GS-victories and she still doesn't get the respect she deserves.Justine is as Belgian as Kim,and maybe even more.BUt they are acting as if she comes from an other planet.One thing is sure:if she Justine comes back to play this tournament next year,than she'll come back for the fans and for her sponsors.But certainly not for the organisation.And don't even mention the press :rolleyes:
When you talk about they are all about Kim.... I would say... why would they be all over Justine when she's not even there to play...

When you talk about the organisation, isn't the same organisation who organised the match between Justine and Noah in the honour of Justine's victories? :confused:

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:53 PM
That's not the point here, the point is that the French speaking press just do for Kim like the flemish one does for Justine! So... If you can't live with it just come in Wallonia and that's all!

!
This is SIMPLY NOT TRUE and you know it!!! i'm not gonna re-write what i wrote in my first post, but unfortunately you don't sem to understand.
I don't even understand how you dare to post such craps. It is beyond me. Really

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:53 PM
"The war" between Kim and Justine isn't good for the belgian tennis.You are having the best players in the world and behaviour of the journalists is a very bad.

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:55 PM
The newspapers to make the war between Kim and Justine.

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:55 PM
When you talk about they are all about Kim.... I would say... why would they be all over Justine when she's not even there to play...

When you talk about the organisation, isn't the same organisation who organised the match between Justine and Noah in the honour of Justine's victories? :confused:

They had to do it,since Justine is with Octagon.And Kim wasn't there.

fleemke³
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:56 PM
Fleem, then just make up your own mind about this all situation Justine-Kim in stead of letting you lead by the press.

Well I'm trying but .. well I'm not miss perfect so don't shoot me for doing some strange or stupid things sometimes :p I think I'm doing great already to see that it's not always Kim or her family :)

Come-on-Kim ... I'm working there from friday and it is a tournament for Kim! I can't tell everything I hear ... you just have to believe me ;)

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:59 PM
BTW:I'm watching the Sprem-Farina-Elia match,and that idiot of Vanieuwkerke is talking bullshit again =>"Farina has a nice BH but Justines is absolutly wonderfull."And with allot of sarcasme in his voice:"Her withdrawal was less wonderfull because she said she was ill,but she did left to Dubai today" :rolleyes: Could you just shut the f*ck up,please :mad:

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 12:59 PM
Those aren't lies!!! Buy La dernière heure, read page 14 if I remember well...

Telling someone of 20 years old is childish... I think it's kinda a critic!

Anyway, the fact is that the whole belgian press is :rolleyes: not only the French speaking or only the Dutch speaking one, just both!
1. If you consider La derniere Heure as representative of belgian french speakingh press, i really feel sorry for you

2. Even the most pro-kim newspapers once said that , maybe, kim is too nice to win big, so how is that a critic? even if it was, i don't think you can compare it with the bashing-entreprise Justine gets in some flemish newspapers.

3. I don't remember reading such word as "childish". Check your translation skills first

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:19 PM
I'm honestly ashamed to be a belgian these days.
And i'm ashamed of being a compatriot of Justine H² :rolleyes: :tape: (btw that's irony...:rolleyes: ) Seriously what has this got to do with being a belgian? Being Belgian includes so much more than that! Journalists just write crap, coz they have to sell, right? give me one country where they don't bash one of their stars! :) :wavey: Newspapers have to be bought, and if people want little scandals and stuff, then they'll write those (thats why dag allemaal and story have such a wide circulation!!! ;) )

imo there is only one newspaper that's always objective...de METRO! :devil: and if you check the article they wrote about Justine's withdrawal, you'll see that there is not even one bad word about Justine. anyway, if you're ashamed of being belgian then MOVE :wavey: :rolleyes:


Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???
ok i kinda agree. Same thing with the final Kim-Justine at the aussie open with the ball going out (or not-who cares anyway). I dont think Justine did anything wrong with not agreeing with the umpire, but it just happens to be Justine Henin Hardenne again..you know.. she's got a bad name with the hand-incident, accusing players etc, and she'll have to work very hard to get rid of that bad name :) But i dont think she cares so she'll carry around this bad image for the rest of her life probably :tape: or no they'll probably start to like her more once she retired :o

I hope Justine never plays Antwerp or Fed Cup anymore. She deserves more respect. She's more respected in the rest of the world then in her own country. It's a very sad thing.
lmfao if she doesnt play in/for belgium anymore, she's totally dead :o
and isnt getting prices like sportswoman of the year showing respect? or getting that i-dont-know-what-thingy from the king? :rolleyes:
they dont like her that much in other countries as well and you know that too :)


Have fun in another country and send me a postcard once you're settled :wavey:

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:27 PM
Well..like it or not. Justine is playing tennis for Belgium. Can
everybody live with that? Kim represents Belgium too.
This is how the rest of the world see's them.

Appreciate them.

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:35 PM
Well..like it or not. Justine is playing tennis for Belgium. Can
everybody live with that? Kim represents Belgium too.
This is how the rest of the world see's them.

Appreciate them.

thats true, I agree with you.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:44 PM
Is it just me or are there like 3 tabloids for every decent broadsheet in Belgium? :scratch:

We have tabloids in Canada too, but they just aren't taken seriously and people read them for entertainment, not for facts. From some of the quotes in this thread plus my limited/biased perspective, that seems different in Belgium.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:53 PM
give me one country where they don't bash one of their stars! :) :wavey: Newspapers have to be bought, and if people want little scandals and stuff, then they'll write those (thats why dag allemaal and story have such a wide circulation!!! ;) )
The problem is that she reason she got bashed is because she dares to beat kim in GS final.




they dont like her that much in other countries as well and you know that too :)



correction : they don't know her in other countries. Don't make yourself an opinion on what some posters say here on this board.

CinnamoninCinema
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:55 PM
Is it just me or are there like 3 tabloids for every decent broadsheet in Belgium? :scratch:

We have tabloids in Canada too, but they just aren't taken seriously and people read them for entertainment, not for facts. From some of the quotes in this thread plus my limited/biased perspective, that seems different in Belgium.

I'm sure people post shit from the National Enquirer or the Star or what have you on message boards all the time.

No country has a monopoly on ignorance. ;)

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:57 PM
I'm sure people post shit from the National Enquirer or the Star or what have you on message boards all the time.

No country has a monopoly on ignorance. ;)
I wasn't talking about ignorance, I was talking about depending on tabloids for news.

still, touché :p

CinnamoninCinema
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:58 PM
I wasn't talking about ignorance, I was talking about depending on tabloids for news.

And that would be what if not ignorant?

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 01:58 PM
The problem is that she reason she got bashed is because she dares to beat kim in GS final.she got bashed coz of all the incidents in which she was involved!! :rolleyes: back @ you: dont make yourself an opinion on what some posters say here on this board :p :lol: :tape:

correction : they don't know her in other countries. Don't make yourself an opinion on what some posters say here on this board.they dont know her in other countries? errrr :confused: what kind of crap is that. maybe in countries where tennis is not famous yeah, but i'm sure they know her in france, australia, Great Britain etc :rolleyes:

btw i hardly ever read this board so if i have an opinion, it's not cause i read other peops posts lol. I used to spend a lot of time here (in non-tennis that is...), but i got a life a while ago - and i enjoy it :) :bounce:

ans
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:03 PM
Is it just me or are there like 3 tabloids for every decent broadsheet in Belgium? :scratch:

We have tabloids in Canada too, but they just aren't taken seriously and people read them for entertainment, not for facts. From some of the quotes in this thread plus my limited/biased perspective, that seems different in Belgium.
People are exaggerating. "Het Laatste Nieuws" is the only REAL tabloid. If you compare the Belgian papers "Het Nieuwsblad" or "De Morgen" to the English "The Sun", there's a big difference. "De Standaard" is one of the few real quality papers but the others are still ok, they're not full with gossip, not at all.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:05 PM
And that would be what if not ignorant?you're right. I was annoyed at how half the stuff posted in this thread was from tabloids...maybe it'd be the same over here if the National Enquirer or Star started covering hockey :o

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:07 PM
People are exaggerating. "Het Laatste Nieuws" is the only REAL tabloid. If you compare the Belgian papers "Het Nieuwsblad" or "De Morgen" to the English "The Sun", there's a big difference. "De Standaard" is one of the few real quality papers but the others are still ok, they're not full with gossip, not at all.ok, thanks, some of the stuff from De Morgen and Het Niewsbald does seem gossipy though when it comes to Kim and Justine.
*takes back sweeping generalisation* ;)

what's the French equivalent of De Standaard btw?

spudrsca
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:16 PM
I doubt Justine will come back to play this tournament.
I would like to know what the big bosses of Octagone think of Bob Verbeeck.
And he's not so good at handling the press with some pretty bad comments:cool:

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:16 PM
euhm Ans, ever bought 'Het Laatste Nieuws' and 'het nieuwsblad'?? Almost all articles are identical...

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:23 PM
she got bashed coz of all the incidents in which she was involved!!
Please, not those craps again!
There was only one incident which was worth to be called that way ( FO ) Others were lies coming from kim's mouth ( san diego's comments " she has done in every match i played against her " ). Had Justine said what Kim said about her ( San diego + doping accusations ), she would be "the biggest bitch there is", when kim does, she 's right, because if kim says so, it must be true, right:rolleyes: .
Don't try to fool yourself , if Justine was flemish , she would never get the bashing she gets in flemish media. I mean, now she even get bashed for being sick!!!! How do you explain it???

they dont know her in other countries? errrr :confused: what kind of crap is that. maybe in countries where tennis is not famous yeah, but i'm sure they know her in france, australia, Great Britain etc :rolleyes:


How surprising, these are countries where a GS is held!!:rolleyes: Off course she's known in those countries, but this is not the whole world you know. Beside, you said she isn't liked in others countries, but if i make myself an opinion based on the cheers she got in those countries - usa, france, england minus australia aka kimland - i have to say she's very appreicated. She seems to be a crowd favourite in the all england's club, and she had HUGE ovation after her victories in Paris and NYC. Both ways, you were wrong

flyingmachine
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:26 PM
"The war" between Kim and Justine isn't good for the belgian tennis.You are having the best players in the world and behaviour of the journalists is a very bad.

I'm agree with you too dinu.
The Belgiums should be gratful that they have 2 not 1 but 2 world class tennis players. In Britain we have six times more people than Belgium and we have people who won GS before we don't have any women tennis player in the top 100 let alone the top 5 at the moment. Do you know how lucky you are. Instead of feeling gratful you fright like kids. If we have either these 2 players we will be cry for joy.
Some people never learn :(

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:28 PM
I doubt Justine will come back to play this tournament.
I would like to know what the big bosses of Octagone think of Bob Verbeeck.
And he's not so good at handling the press with some pretty bad comments:cool:

I think Justine will play in Antwerpen next years.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:32 PM
Please, not those craps again!
There was only one incident which was worth to be called that way ( FO ) Others were lies coming from kim's mouth ( san diego's comments " she has done in every match i played against her " ). Had Justine said what Kim said about her ( San diego + doping accusations ), she would be "the biggest bitch there is", when kim does, she 's right, because if kim says so, it must be true, right:rolleyes: .
Don't try to fool yourself , if Justine was flemish , she would never get the bashing she gets in flemish media. I mean, now she even get bashed for being sick!!!! How do you explain it???
can you plz stay calm, this is really not good for your heart you know :) i'm not thinking of anything you said there when i say 'incidents', i'm more thinking of Justine accusing Lindsay of faking an injury, the hand-thing etc :confused: i dont even remember the san diego stuff you are saying here lol :confused:


How surprising, these are countries where a GS is held!!:rolleyes: Off course she's known in those countries, but this is not the whole world you know.
sweety: you said they dont know her in other countries, i named some countries where they do know her, you admit that they know her there..what's your problem, seriously? yes they dont know her all around the world! but no, they dont only know her in belgium... you are just disagreeing with me cause you dont WANT to agree LOL!

Beside, you said she isn't liked in others countries, but if i make myself an opinion based on the cheers she got in those countries - usa, france, england minus australia aka kimland - i have to say she's very appreicated. She seems to be a crowd favourite in the all england's club, and she had HUGE ovation after her victories in Paris and NYC. Both ways, you were wrong
i said they dont like her that much in other countries, not that she isnt liked in other countries, and that is NOT the same :p

i suggest you go to school first and learn to read cause there's obviously sth wrong with your readingskills :confused:

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:34 PM
I'm agree with you too dinu.
The Belgiums should be gratful that they have 2 not 1 but 2 world class tennis players. In Britain we have six times more people than Belgium and we have people who won GS before we don't have any women tennis player in the top 100 let alone the top 5 at the moment. Do you know how lucky you are. Instead of feeling gratful you fright like kids. If we have either these 2 players we will be cry for joy.
Some people never learn :(
:) :worship:

Hulet
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:36 PM
Venus now claims not to have been injured to
make her public appearances at the Elle event and in London look less
irresponsible. Juju was strong and noble enough to do a public press
interview about her leaving the event before her match.

Please stick with the topic at hand, i.e., the "fake forfeit" of Justine - leave Venus out of this.

Actually, long before the two Belgians become this famous, I asked about the partiality of the Flemish press towards either of them. I was told by belgian posters then that the press there view both players equally. I also sense some sort of injustice in the fact that Kim seemed to get most of the sponsorship money compared to Justine but I was assured again there is no injustice in this. That was I was sort of rooting for Justine, then.

After so many years, I guess I was wrong. There was no injustice, the media and the sponsors saw some face of Justine I wasn't aware of and that was the reason for the disparity.

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:37 PM
you're right. I was annoyed at how half the stuff posted in this thread was from tabloids...maybe it'd be the same over here if the National Enquirer or Star started covering hockey :o



I guess we should be hearing about articles such as

"Justine and the Yeti, caught on Tape"

and

"Kim and Leyton's adopted Martian Baby"


:haha:

*JR*
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:40 PM
Well "De Morgen" is not a tabloid...

De Morgen: De Morgen, already on bad terms with Lei Clijsters, thinks the withdrawal of Henin is fishy: "Her illness almost came on cue. She didn't seem to care much. In an earlier interview she already criticized the organisation (of the tournament). But anybody who can read between the lines knows what was behind that irritation. Clijsters is all-important in Antwerp. So this has to do with the deeper rivalry between the two camps. Her maniacal drive challenges admiration on the court, but her harsh rectilineal (?) way of thinking makes one shiver. She cannot talk with trophies alone."
Thanks Bram, for "answering rhetoric with reality". (I know you're a diehard Kim fan, which is why the "detached objectivity" here is all the more refreshing). ;)

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:42 PM
I guess we should be hearing about articles such as

"Justine and the Yeti, caught on Tape"

and

"Kim and Leyton's adopted Martian Baby"


:haha:
or "Navratilova's pregnancy scare"

and "Dokic confessions: I was a coke mule"

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:43 PM
Please stick with the topic at hand, i.e., the "fake forfeit" of Justine - leave Venus out of this.

Actually, long before the two Belgians become this famous, I asked about the partiality of the Flemish press towards either of them. I was told by belgian posters then that the press there view both players equally. I also sense some sort of injustice in the fact that Kim seemed to get most of the sponsorship money compared to Justine but I was assured again there is no injustice in this. That was I was sort of rooting for Justine, then.

After so many years, I guess I was wrong. There was no injustice, the media and the sponsors saw some face of Justine I wasn't aware of and that was the reason for the disparity.
there isn't a question of 'fake forfait'.. the docter advised Justine not to play..what is there to argue about??? It's not because others take the risk, that Justine would. She learned from her experience in RG against Kapros.

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:44 PM
or "Navratilova's pregnancy scare"

and "Dokic confessions: I was a coke mule"


"Anna -the Paris Hilton of tennis"

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:47 PM
can you plz stay calm, this is really not good for your heart you know :) i'm not thinking of anything you said there when i say 'incidents', i'm more thinking of Justine accusing Lindsay of faking an injury, the hand-thing etc :confused: i dont even remember the san diego stuff you are saying here lol :confused: All right, so when justine accused lindsay of faking injuries ( something she apologised for btw ), this is a 'notable' incident, but when kim says the same about Justine ( san diego- you don't remember it? selective memory maybe ), it's ok:rolleyes: :rolleyes: . Double standards anyone? ( nothing against kim, just pointing out YOUR double standards )



sweety: you said they dont know her in other countries, i named some countries where they do know her, you admit that they know her there..what's your problem, seriously? yes they dont know her all around the world! but no, they dont only know her in belgium... you are just disagreeing with me cause you dont WANT to agree LOL!


i said they dont like her that much in other countries, not that she isnt liked in other countries, and that is NOT the same :pYou just said yourself that Great-brtitain, France,...is not the whole world. Off course she's known in countries where she won her reached the final of the local GS, what's surprising? Everywhere else, she's known by tennis fans, not so much by average people.
Beside, you must have travelled around the whole world, helding a public poll in each country to know how people feel about her. I 'm sure that's what you did:rolleyes:


i suggest you go to school first and learn to read cause there's obviously sth wrong with your readingskills :confused:I suggest you read Platon's books ( even though he didn't write anything by himslef ) about how to argument his opinion, because there's obviously something wrong with the way you argument yours.

Oops, i almost forgot : how do you explain justine getting bashed for being sick??

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:49 PM
Allez! Come On!!!!!!!!!!!

ans
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:50 PM
euhm Ans, ever bought 'Het Laatste Nieuws' and 'het nieuwsblad'?? Almost all articles are identical...
I read Het Nieuwsblad every day and apart from "tennis" I think they're ok.

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 02:58 PM
It's just so funny reading this thread title. Whenever I read the phrase
"Unanmious". I keep on thinking of something more like

"IT UNANIMIOUS: The CRITICS GIVE THIS FILM THUMBS UP"

"HELLO! OSCAR"

"IT'S THE MOVIE OF THE YEAR & IT"S ONLY FEBRUARY!"

"THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS CAREER"

"WINNER OF AN OBSCURE AWARD FROM CANNES!"

"THE OTHER CRITICS LIKE IT! AND SO DO I"

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:00 PM
All right, so when justine accused lindsay of faking injuries ( something she apologised for btw ), this is a 'notable' incident, but when kim says the same about Justine ( san diego- you don't remember it? selective memory maybe ), it's ok:rolleyes: :rolleyes: . Double standards anyone? ( nothing against kim, just pointing out YOUR double standards )selective memory? i just didnt follow tennis that much during summer cause i traveled a lot and worked my ass off ;) as i said, i got a life :devil: btw i dont approve Kim's comment, accusing anyone of an injury is wrong, period. :)

You just said yourself that Great-brtitain, France,...is not the whole world. Off course she's known in countries where she won her reached the final of the local GS, what's surprising?nothing and that's what i meant and said, but you just want to disagree with me lol ;)

Everywhere else, she's known by tennis fans, not so much by average people.
Beside, you must have travelled around the whole world, helding a public poll in each country to know how people feel about her. I 'm sure that's what you did:rolleyes: YES THAT'S WHAT I DID! cool huh! :D :bounce:

I suggest you read Platon's books ( even though he didn't write anything by himslef ) about how to argument his opinion, because there's obviously something wrong with the way you argument yours.platon's books? oh i once read 5 pages or sth of his book and nearly fell asleep so no thank you ;) nothing wrong with my arguments btw but if you think there is, then that's just another proof! you have to do sth 'bout your readingskills! :lol: :tape:

Marquis
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:06 PM
The only people that really care about Justine playing or not playing in Antwerp are HER fans, so WE are the only ones to judge her. And we believe her when she says that she's ill.
Besides, Kimfans should be happy that Justine doesn't participate in this tournament. We all know who is going to win it now. :rolleyes:

irma
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:10 PM
plato definitely wrote himself. it was socrates who never did and plato wrote about him and his philosophic views. that's why people till today wonder if socrates ideas were really plato's ideas :o

no idea what that has to do with Justine though;)

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:12 PM
Oops, i almost forgot : how do you explain justine getting bashed for being sick??

Kim gave forfait for Sydney, and she waited loooooooooong before she withdrew..nobody says a thing. Justine does the same thing in Antwerp, and she gets all the critics. Where's the logic???ok i kinda agree. Same thing with the final Kim-Justine at the aussie open with the ball going out (or not-who cares anyway). I dont think Justine did anything wrong with not agreeing with the umpire, but it just happens to be Justine Henin Hardenne again..you know.. she's got a bad name with the hand-incident, accusing players etc, and she'll have to work very hard to get rid of that bad name :) But i dont think she cares so she'll carry around this bad image for the rest of her life probably :tape: or no they'll probably start to like her more once she retired :o
:)

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:16 PM
selective memory? i just didnt follow tennis that much during summer cause i traveled a lot, had a stupid operation and worked my ass off ;) as i said, i got a life :devil: btw i dont approve Kim's comment, accusing anyone of an injury is wrong, period. :)
Then try to know what you're talkin' about before making an opinion. It is "le minimum" i think


nothing and that's what i meant and said, but you just want to disagree with me lol ;)
Sure:rolleyes: saying "people don't like her in other countries", then saying she's only known in "GS countries" is EXACTLY the same:rolleyes:


YES THAT'S WHAT I DID! cool huh! :D :bounce:
WAOM, you must be 245 year old then , because it does take some time to held such poll everywhere in the world. ( i get the irony of your post, no need to call me an idiot for not getting it )


platon's books? oh i once read 5 pages or sth of his book and nearly fell asleep so no thank you ;) nothing wrong with my arguments btw but if you think there is, then that's just another proof! you have to do sth 'bout your readingskills! :lol: :tape:
Sure, why bother reading someone's philosophy that has influenced the whole European civilisation:rolleyes: ........Really, doesn't worth it:rolleyes:
If there wasn't anything wrong with your argument, no way i could respond them so easily. Now i expect you answer :" i can respond yours too", well, if you go on being "intellectually dishonest", sure you do. If you try be objective, then .........problem

BTW, still waiting for your answers about Justine getting bashed for being sick....

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:18 PM
WAOW, so that is your answer? ( your previous post )

ok, you convinced me now:rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:20 PM
plato definitely wrote himself. it was socrates who never did and plato wrote about him and his philosophic views. that's why people till today wonder if socrates ideas were really plato's ideas :o

no idea what that has to do with Justine though;)Sorry, my mystake.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:23 PM
Then try to know what you're talkin' about before making an opinion. It is "le minimum" i thinki do know what i'm talking about sweetie, i do, you just have a problem and feel like disagreeing with everything i say

btw the sky is blue :)


Sure:rolleyes: saying "people don't like her in other countries", then saying she's only known in "GS countries" is EXACTLY the same:rolleyes: nope it's not :)


WAOM, you must be 245 year old then , because it does take some time to held such poll everywhere in the world. ( i get the irony of your post, no need to call me an idiot for not getting it )actually i'm 244 yo :( i would not call you an idiot over sth like that, i'm not like you :kiss: :lol:


Sure, why bother reading someone's philosophy that has influenced the whole European civilisation:rolleyes: ........Really, doesn't worth it:rolleyes:
i've got better things to do, like studying Roman Law: our lawsystem is based on it..Now that's interesting! btw we do study plato's theory at university, so i think i know enough about the dude and his theories :) what do you know about Roman law? :) what has this got to do with Justine Henin Hardenne?

If there wasn't anything wrong with your argument, no way i could respond them so easily. Now i expect you answer :" i can respond yours too", well, if you go on being "intellectually dishonest", sure you do. If you try be objective, then .........problem? now in english plz :) ;)

BTW, still waiting for your answers about Justine getting bashed for being sick....gave it 2 hours ago already :lol:

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:24 PM
WAOW, so that is your answer? ( your previous post )

ok, you convinced me now:rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
*sigh* finally! :D glad we agree on sth :kiss:

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:35 PM
that's bullshit and you know it.. I read the wallonian press too. They are much more belgian then the flemish press.
I'm sorry but this reply is so silly :haha: :o :o

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:38 PM
Have fun in another country and send me a postcard once you're settled :wavey:

Harsh. :drool:

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:39 PM
The problem is that she reason she got bashed is because she dares to beat kim in GS final.




correction : they don't know her in other countries. Don't make yourself an opinion on what some posters say here on this board.
Oh and you went to the people in the street in other countries, right? :rolleyes:

K&J fan
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:39 PM
Why can't we just be happy to have two topplayers at the same time ? ;)

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:41 PM
There was a nice moment this week...remember?

Medals? Palace? Smiles all around?

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:42 PM
i do know what i'm talking about sweetie, i do, you just have a problem and feel like disagreeing with everything i say
Sure:rolleyes: , i guess that's the reason you felt it was ok for Justine to get bashed for doing something others do and don't get bashed for ( which you previously felt was ok as well ) I just told you something you didn't know ( san diego ), so no, you didn't know what you were talkin about




nope it's not :)
Maybe you can't see it, but you just said you were wrong in your previous posts


actually i'm 244 yo :( i would not call you an idiot over sth like that, i'm not like you :kiss: :lol: Did i ever call you an idiot?:confused:


i've got better things to do, like studying Roman Law: our lawsystem is based on it..Now that's interesting! btw we do study plato's theory at university, so i think i know enough about the dude and his theories :) what do you know about Roman law? :) what has this got to do with Justine Henin Hardenne? Goof for you, the problem being that the roman law has got nothing to do with "how to structure arguments in a discussion", which is what we are doing now. Now, if you effectively study Platon, i suggest you take some further courses because it seems as you can't "apply" ( is that english?)what you study

? now in english plz :) ;)
It already is :p . Maybe it is not perfect english, but i'm quite sure you understand what i meant. Off course, answering my words is another matter. It is indeed easier to say " now in english please".

gave it 2 hours ago already :lol:
Ok, so i guess Justine holding her hand almost a year ago has something to do with flemish media bashing her for being sick... Talk about logic

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:46 PM
I'm sorry but this reply is so silly :haha: :o :o
you really convinced me with your smart arguments :)

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:46 PM
I'm sorry but this reply is so silly :haha: :o :o
What per4ever says is true.
I don't know in which world you live in, but what per4ever says is how thing goes in Belgium.

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:47 PM
Why can't we just be happy to have two topplayers at the same time ? ;)

You must be happy. Thats great for so small country.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:50 PM
Oh and you went to the people in the street in other countries, right? :rolleyes:
No, but i can't figure out how a non-marketable player who comes from a country nobody has ever heard of could be famous by average people in the whole world.
Btw, maybe you didn't get it, but i wasn't exactly praising justine saying that

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:50 PM
you really convinced me with your smart arguments :)


Per4, I always meant to ask you this; but where can I get your
avatar?. I know it's an Rolex watch ad pic; but I'd like a copy of
it for a wallpaper pic on the computer. It's really a great action
shot.

Pinkie
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:52 PM
euhm Ans, ever bought 'Het Laatste Nieuws' and 'het nieuwsblad'?? Almost all articles are identical...

Actually, you do know that Het Nieuwsblad is De Standaard's popular sister newspaper, right? Publshed by the same company, they share a lot of articles.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:52 PM
Sure:rolleyes: , i guess that's the reason you felt it was ok for Justine to get bashed for doing something others do and don't get bashed for ( which you previously felt was ok as well ) I just told you something you didn't know ( san diego ), so no, you didn't know what you were talkin aboutit's not ok to bash justine for her withdrawal in antwerp and i never said it was :) learn to read

Maybe you can't see it, but you just said you were wrong in your previous postsi did not, learn to read

Did i ever call you an idiot?:confused: nope you wouldnt dare :)

Goof for you, the problem being that the roman law has got nothing to do with "how to structure arguments in a discussion", which is what we are doing now. Now, if you effectively study Platon, i suggest you take some further courses because it seems as you can't "apply" ( is that english?)what you studymy arguments are fine, thank you ;) last year we had to make an assignment in which we had to give arguments on a political matter, i had 18/20 ha! beat that :lol: as i said before, i have better stuff to do that study Plato :)

It already is :p . Maybe it is not perfect english, but i'm quite sure you understand what i meant. Off course, answering my words is another matter. It is indeed easier to say " now in english please".
seriously i dont understand what you wrote there


Ok, so i guess Justine holding her hand almost a year ago has something to do with flemish media bashing her for being sick... Talk about logic
not only holding her hand but also the other incidents :)

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:53 PM
you really convinced me with your smart arguments :)
Oh please, you're just a silly hyprocrite.

You post stuff like "I hope Kim wins 2 slams in 2004! Go KIM & JUSTINE!!!! GO BELGIUM!!!"

Why's that? LMAO! You want to be mister Nice Guy? Cause that's your internet identity, isn't it? :)

Let's see, what did you post before Kim's first match @ the Aussie Open?
"Puh, Kimmie wants to start later to recover from her injury :awww: Who does she think she is? :("
Now Justine asked for a late start (to recover from her illness) & it's Bob Verbeeck who is the Devil? :confused:

You're always saying "please, please respect both players", but the thing is: you don't either! :tape:

You're always nagging. Time you went out some time, man :lol:
Maybe you'll meet a woman in the world outside :kiss: And who knows, maybe that girl could make you resist the almighty temptation of Internet :eek: :)

:wavey:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:54 PM
Per4, I always meant to ask you this; but where can I get your
avatar?. I know it's an Rolex watch ad pic; but I'd like a copy of
it for a wallpaper pic on the computer. It's really a great action
shot.
Here's three pics just like it ;)

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:54 PM
Harsh. :drool:
yeah i know but i didnt mean to hurt per4ever or anything but i think he knows that...(right k?) :) i just dont like it when people say sth wrong about belgium or being a belgian :(

i think it's time to sing our national anthem!

oh dierbaar belgië oh heilig land der vaaaadren... :D :worship:

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:55 PM
People ARE happy that we have two great champions at the same time. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about people believing conspiracy theories that Justine and only Justine is getting bad press (they must have missed the dozens of articles dissing Kim), and the only reason for this is that she's from Wallonia

Why can't people see that controversy sells?! The press WANTS fights between those two, the press loves to write bad stuff because it SELLS! So just stop this nonsense about it all being a Flemish/Wallonia thing. If that were the case, you'd expect to see a lot more Flemish flags instead of Belgian ones, no?

When they were coming up, there was no such press, no bad things were written about them then, but then it was all still new. What are papers to write about these days? We all know the history of both of them by now. At the same time, a grand slam means that at least 2 full pages must be filled with it.

Lei Clijsters had enough of it, I'm sure Justine has now had enough of it as well. If the press is so pro-Clijsters, why on earth do you think Lei would get so upset?

Lien
Feb 21st, 2004, 03:55 PM
Antwerp may be a Clijsters-tournament, but to say she is the darling of the flemish press, don't think so. They treated her really nasty last year about her decision to skip the Olympics, she was the head of all attacks for days. And I have compared in every single newspaper (Laatste nieuws, nieuwsblad,..) she was really bashed for her decision, only in one not this is the Standaard, so people be smart and read that newspaper.
And to me the walloon press aren't darlings either, Kim gets bashed, maybe you don't wanna see it but it is.

By the way, I think Justine won't play again in Antwerp, she hates Verbeeck now I think regarding Pierre-yves comment in le soir today.

Greenout
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:00 PM
Here's three pics just like it ;)


Thanks. I've got MONK as my wallpaper(love this show) right
now and plan to use a couple of AC MILAN pics later. I need
some J2H after the AC Milan shots.


Thanks.

Pinkie
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:01 PM
There was nothing sick about Justine, seriously. Which doesn't mean Justine didn't have reasons not to feel happy at this tournament. I can't blame her for not wanting to play Antwerp. I just wish she would have withdrawn before the tournament started if she wasn't going to play at all.

As for media coverage, I think it really is split along regional lines. From the Flemish newspapers,only the FET and De Standdaard reported on her withdrawal without comments or questions asked. GVA, BVL, De Morgen, Het Nieuwsblad, HLN all questioned the forfait and some were outright hostile. As much as I am not a Justine fan, I think it is a shame that they are tearing her down like that. It's not like Belgian GS champions come around every day.

Then again, Flemish journalism can be very mean. GVA's piece on Casanova was awful, saying she weighs at least 90 kg and finding some terrible comparison for just about every body part.

dinu
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:03 PM
"I hope Kim wins 2 slams in 2004! Go KIM & JUSTINE!!!! GO BELGIUM!!!"

Lien
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:03 PM
What per4ever says is true.
I don't know in which world you live in, but what per4ever says is how thing goes in Belgium.
I live in Belgium too, I think you can decide for yourself what you think is wrong in this country and which not.

ans
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:05 PM
People ARE happy that we have two great champions at the same time. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about people believing conspiracy theories that Justine and only Justine is getting bad press (they must have missed the dozens of articles dissing Kim), and the only reason for this is that she's from Wallonia

Why can't people see that controversy sells?! The press WANTS fights between those two, the press loves to write bad stuff because it SELLS! So just stop this nonsense about it all being a Flemish/Wallonia thing. If that were the case, you'd expect to see a lot more Flemish flags instead of Belgian ones, no?

When they were coming up, there was no such press, no bad things were written about them then, but then it was all still new. What are papers to write about these days? We all know the history of both of them by now. At the same time, a grand slam means that at least 2 full pages must be filled with it.

Lei Clijsters had enough of it, I'm sure Justine has now had enough of it as well. If the press is so pro-Clijsters, why on earth do you think Lei would get so upset?
Smart post.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:08 PM
There was nothing sick about Justine, seriously. Which doesn't mean Justine didn't have reasons not to feel happy at this tournament. I can't blame her for not wanting to play Antwerp. I just wish she would have withdrawn before the tournament started if she wasn't going to play at all.

Obviously I don't live in Belgium so I can't tell, but why do you think she wasn't sick?

Justineladivine
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:12 PM
Despite the fact that Justine has many Flemish fans, it is true that Flemish nationalism is getting more and more gung-ho. In a certain way the press and politicians reflect what ordinary people think. It would be too easy to dismiss all the bashing Juju is getting now and all the slander she got after winning at the US open as something that came out of the blue. There's always been bitter bickering between the Walloons and the Flemings. The fact that a country has the best two players in the world should be a blessing. In Belgium, it's becoming a national or rather a new 'community issue'. This was predictable right from the start. I'd like a referendum to be held in Flanders about separatism. This way we would know for sure how many people really feel Belgian in the north of the country.
On the French-speaking side (I watch RTBF and read Le Soir every day) I've honestly never seen or heard anything blatantly nasty towards Kim.
Anyway, when I read through GM, I can't help feeling the hate campaign vs Juju is gaining ground. I hope I'm just being paranoid

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:13 PM
You're always nagging. Time you went out some time, man :lol:
Maybe you'll meet a woman in the world outside :kiss: And who knows, maybe that girl could make you resist the almighty temptation of Internet :eek: :)

:wavey:
may be you can look at yourself first and let others decide for theirself what to do with their life? :tape:

You probably didn't even notice that I don't post here that much anymore :lol:

greenout..see Viggen's post ;)

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:15 PM
From TV1 teletext :tape: :rolleyes:

HENIN BELEEFDE NIET ZO LEUKE AVOND
***************************************
Herinnert u zich nog de exhibitiewed-
strijd van eind vorig jaar tussen
Justine Henin en Yannick Noah, in een
volgepakt Vorst Natinaal? Justine Henin
vond het niet zo een geslaagde avond.

In Le Soir uitte Pierre-Yves Hardenne
het ongenoegen van zijn vrouw: "Het
filmpje met haar hoogtepunten van 2003
vond Justine niet goed. Er waren veel
betere beelden. Het concert van Toots
Tielemans begon met 1 uur vertraging."

"En de match ervoor, tussen Elke
Clijsters en Kirsten Flipkens had nooit
mogen plaatsvinden", zegt Hardenne. De
organisator was jawel... Bob Verbeeck.

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:16 PM
Actually, you do know that Het Nieuwsblad is De Standaard's popular sister newspaper, right? Publshed by the same company, they share a lot of articles.
I know Pinkie..never said the contrary :)

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:18 PM
sounds like the same people who are complaining that the newspapers/media who like Kim are disrespectful to Justine are hardly nice about Kim themselves :angel: (Alicia Keys "Karma" what goes around comes around what goes up must come down comes to mind)...it's obvious who i like more however i feel for Justine and the criticism she gets...maybe those who have been hard on two OTHER high profile number ones will think carefully in future? :confused:...maybe not. it's as easy to complain as it is to be hypocritical :angel:

maybe if the tourney was in southern Belgium instead we could expect the reverse? :confused: people like to point out the media is very pro Kim...is this the truth or is it just that the Flemish media is "louder"? :confused: Kim seems to get a hard time a lot too..sure not to the extent of Ms HH but it's not like she's exempt is it? plus she is a "media angel"...to an outsider at least anyway.

i kind of applaud the Belgian media...criticising their "national darlings"...now only if the British media could take note in future when writing things about that darn "Tiger" :angel:, i would be a very happy person...

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:19 PM
From TV1 teletext :tape: :rolleyes:

HENIN BELEEFDE NIET ZO LEUKE AVOND
***************************************
Herinnert u zich nog de exhibitiewed-
strijd van eind vorig jaar tussen
Justine Henin en Yannick Noah, in een
volgepakt Vorst Natinaal? Justine Henin
vond het niet zo een geslaagde avond.

In Le Soir uitte Pierre-Yves Hardenne
het ongenoegen van zijn vrouw: "Het
filmpje met haar hoogtepunten van 2003
vond Justine niet goed. Er waren veel
betere beelden. Het concert van Toots
Tielemans begon met 1 uur vertraging."

"En de match ervoor, tussen Elke
Clijsters en Kirsten Flipkens had nooit
mogen plaatsvinden", zegt Hardenne. De
organisator was jawel... Bob Verbeeck.
so you get a few sentences from a whole interview... great.. CAN WE PLEASE GET THE WHOLE CONTEXT????????????

I've been there in Vorst and she was clearly enjoying it!!!!! She probably made some remarks about things that could have been better (like starting an hour later etc). Then they rip that out of it's context, and it looks like Justine is the bitch who doesn't appreciate it when they do something for her.

great press...

Lien
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:19 PM
From TV1 teletext :tape: :rolleyes:

HENIN BELEEFDE NIET ZO LEUKE AVOND
***************************************
Herinnert u zich nog de exhibitiewed-
strijd van eind vorig jaar tussen
Justine Henin en Yannick Noah, in een
volgepakt Vorst Natinaal? Justine Henin
vond het niet zo een geslaagde avond.

In Le Soir uitte Pierre-Yves Hardenne
het ongenoegen van zijn vrouw: "Het
filmpje met haar hoogtepunten van 2003
vond Justine niet goed. Er waren veel
betere beelden. Het concert van Toots
Tielemans begon met 1 uur vertraging."

"En de match ervoor, tussen Elke
Clijsters en Kirsten Flipkens had nooit
mogen plaatsvinden", zegt Hardenne. De
organisator was jawel... Bob Verbeeck.
I found it harsh of her to say that. She got her recognition on the end of the year, they did it all for her not for Kim or anyone else, it was her night.

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:21 PM
I found it harsh of her to say that. She got her recognition on the end of the year, they did it all for her not for Kim or anyone else, it was her night.
voila..you judge her on the few small quotes they publish... who says she said it that way??

VRT sucks :)

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:21 PM
it's not ok to bash justine for her withdrawal in antwerp and i never said it was :) learn to read
You said "justine got bashed for all the incidents in which she was involved" Saying this, you imply that it is kind of normal she get bashed, that it is "ok". Now suddenly, it is not "ok" anymore? How strange!

i did not, learn to read
Let's take it all from the beginning : first you say " people don't like her in other countries", then i say that "people don't even know her in others countries", then you say "she 's known in G-B, france, ....", something i agreed with, ....................then i say that" Saying she 's famous in GS countries and saying she's not liked in other coutries is not the same (that if you get the ironic tone)" . You agreed with it ( you said "no, it is not the same" )............thus , you said you were wrong! Easy, isn't it?


nope you wouldnt dare :)
Off course i wouldn't, i'm a polite boy you know

¨my arguments are fine, thank you ;) last year we had to make an assignment in which we had to give arguments on a political matter, i had 18/20 ha! beat that :lol: as i said before, i have better stuff to do that study Plato :)
Just a reminder : making an assignment is different from having a real discussion
Reminder N.2 :Succeding in "virtual things " is different from succeding in "real things". I mean, i'm world champion in football because i won the world cup on my PC the other day................wait, that wasn't for real ! Damn! I guess that's why i was the only one celebrating!:lol:


[ QUOTE=elske]seriously i dont understand what you wrote there[/QUOTE]
Then read again. I don't think it was THAT hard to understand



not only holding her hand but also the other incidents :)
Oh yeah, so let's say it again : There wasn't other incindent than the hand ( Accusing lindsay of faking injuries? then why didn't kim get criticized when she pull out of sydney? i mean, she also accused Justine of faking injuries, and also pulled out of a tournament at the last moment, didn't she? ........taking tactical time out? Offc ourse, if you believe in kim's lies, she did )...................and EVEN if she was "guilty" in all those so-calle incidents, HOW DOES IT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER GETTING BASHED FOR BEING SICK??????

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:21 PM
sounds like the same people who are complaining that the newspapers/media who like Kim are disrespectful to Justine are hardly nice about Kim themselves :angel: (Alicia Keys "Karma" what goes around comes around what goes up must come down comes to mind)...it's obvious who i like more however i feel for Justine and the criticism she gets...maybe those who have been hard on two OTHER high profile number ones will think carefully in future? :confused:...maybe not. it's as easy to complain as it is to be hypocritical :angel:

maybe if the tourney was in southern Belgium instead we could expect the reverse? :confused: people like to point out the media is very pro Kim...is this the truth or is it just that the Flemish media is "louder"? :confused: Kim seems to get a hard time a lot too..sure not to the extent of Ms HH but it's not like she's exempt is it? plus she is a "media angel"...to an outsider at least anyway.

i kind of applaud the Belgian media...criticising their "national darlings"...now only if the British media could take note in future when writing things about that darn "Tiger" :angel:, i would be a very happy person...
Hey SJW,are you an Alicia Keys-fan?Cuz if you are,than you're defenitly my fav Williams-fan ;)

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:23 PM
Hey SJW,are you an Alicia Keys-fan?Cuz if you are,than you're defenitly my fav Williams-fan ;)
i am the biggest Alicia Keys fan in the world ;)

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:23 PM
There was nothing sick about Justine, seriously. Which doesn't mean Justine didn't have reasons not to feel happy at this tournament. I can't blame her for not wanting to play Antwerp. I just wish she would have withdrawn before the tournament started if she wasn't going to play at all.

As for media coverage, I think it really is split along regional lines. From the Flemish newspapers,only the FET and De Standdaard reported on her withdrawal without comments or questions asked. GVA, BVL, De Morgen, Het Nieuwsblad, HLN all questioned the forfait and some were outright hostile. As much as I am not a Justine fan, I think it is a shame that they are tearing her down like that. It's not like Belgian GS champions come around every day.

Then again, Flemish journalism can be very mean. GVA's piece on Casanova was awful, saying she weighs at least 90 kg and finding some terrible comparison for just about every body part.
I'm glad that there are a couple of Kim-fans that admit that the Flemish media is being harsh to Justine for practically no reason.

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:23 PM
i am the biggest Alicia Keys fan in the world ;)
No that's were your mistaken:I'm the biggest Alicia keys-fan in the whole world :p

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:26 PM
No that's were your mistaken:I'm the biggest Alicia keys-fan in the whole world :pi'll fight you for it :fiery:;)

seriously, you guys should stop these threads, cuz i am almost (a few months from :p) becoming a Justine fan :sad:

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:29 PM
I'm glad that there are a couple of Kim-fans that admit that the Flemish media is being harsh to Justine for practically no reason.

Now if only we could get a few Justine fans to admit that the media has also beeen hard on Kim for practically no reason.

The media loves to bash for no reason, full stop.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:29 PM
i kind of applaud the Belgian media...criticising their "national darlings"...now only if the British media could take note in future when writing things about that darn "Tiger" :angel:, i would be a very happy person...
C'mon Sarah, you can't be serious. This petty bitching about each of their top tennis players and taking little quotes and turning them into full-fledged assaults is to be anything but applauded. Wasn't there a thing last week on teletext about Kim 'sneering' at Justine and saying she didn't want to lose her boyfriend by muscling up, when all she had said was she didn't want to do powertraining? Showing that your national 'idols' aren't perfect is one thing, deliberately trying to engineer a rift between them and their fans through exagerration and misrepresentation is just pathetic.

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:32 PM
C'mon Sarah, you can't be serious. This petty bitching about each of their top tennis players and taking little quotes and turning them into full-fledged assaults is to be anything but applauded. Wasn't there a thing last week on teletext about Kim 'sneering' at Justine and saying she didn't want to lose her boyfriend by muscling up, when all she had said was she didn't want to do powertraining? Showing that your national 'idols' aren't perfect is one thing, deliberately trying to engineer a rift between them and their fans through exagerration and misrepresentation is just pathetic.when it was said that non-Brits don't understand sarcasm, i thought they were joking......... :confused:


;)

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:32 PM
C'mon Sarah, you can't be serious. This petty bitching about each of their top tennis players and taking little quotes and turning them into full-fledged assaults is to be anything but applauded. Wasn't there a thing last week on teletext about Kim 'sneering' at Justine and saying she didn't want to lose her boyfriend by muscling up, when all she had said was she didn't want to do powertraining? Showing that your national 'idols' aren't perfect is one thing, deliberately trying to engineer a rift between them and their fans through exagerration and misrepresentation is just pathetic.

Exactly!! I wish more people would see what's happening.

The press can be so nasty. They were nasty when my grandmother died, published lies about her, and it was just a very simple car crash, something that happens every day. It hurt my father a lot. If they twist even such minor events, just think of what they can do with the big events?

Lien
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:33 PM
voila..you judge her on the few small quotes they publish... who says she said it that way??

VRT sucks :)

I know VRT sucks, but why does Pierre-Yves brings it up now, two months after it. He should just shut up :rolleyes: , it may sound harsh but he should do to me , cause it isn't doing her any good.

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:34 PM
Exactly!! I wish more people would see what's happening.
oh i see what's happening, you don't need to be Belgian to...

it just shows the Belgian media is a popular-rich-high-school-girl-of-a BITCH. that's nothing new, and it's not a secret :confused:

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:35 PM
You said "justine got bashed for all the incidents in which she was involved" Saying this, you imply that it is kind of normal she get bashed, that it is "ok". Now suddenly, it is not "ok" anymore? How strange!
Let's take it all from the beginning : first you say " people don't like her in other countries", then i say that "people don't even know her in others countries", then you say "she 's known in G-B, france, ....", something i agreed with, ....................then i say that" Saying she 's famous in GS countries and saying she's not liked in other coutries is not the same (that if you get the ironic tone)" . You agreed with it ( you said "no, it is not the same" )............thus , you said you were wrong! Easy, isn't it?
read all my posts again, try to understand them coz obviously you dont, and then we'll talk again :)

Just a reminder : making an assignment is different from having a real discussion
Reminder N.2 :Succeding in "virtual things " is different from succeding in "real things". I mean, i'm world champion in football because i won the world cup on my PC the other day................wait, that wasn't for real ! Damn! I guess that's why i was the only one celebrating!:lol: dont see the difference, i WROTE my arguments in that assignment just like i WROTE my arguments in this thread. + i wrote them both on the same computer so i dont see a difference lol. big difference between WRITING sth and playing a game ;)


Then read again. I don't think it was THAT hard to understand it is :p

Oh yeah, so let's say it again : There wasn't other incindent than the hand ( Accusing lindsay of faking injuries? then why didn't kim get criticized when she pull out of sydney? i mean, she also accused Justine of faking injuries, and also pulled out of a tournament at the last moment, didn't she? ........taking tactical time out? Offc ourse, if you believe in kim's lies, she did )...................and EVEN if she was "guilty" in all those so-calle incidents, HOW DOES IT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER GETTING BASHED FOR BEING SICK??????
geez relax ;) life is not all about tennis you know ;) maybe you should get a life as well, really it's very nice in the outside world :) this is a thread about Justine, right, not about Kim so let's not start on Kim's image and stuff. Btw as Beggin Beguine said before, she got critisized a lot when she withdrew from the olympics, forgotten? ;)

and the answer to your last question: i wrote it 3 hours ago and i'm not gonna keep on repeating it :)



@that comment of teletekst: VRT teletekst is even worse than all the flemish newspapers together so plz dont even bother reading it :(

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:36 PM
when it was said that non-Brits don't understand sarcasm, i thought they were joking......... :confused:


;)
damn, and we're supposed to be the one country on this continent that actually gets British sarcasm :o

Apologies fellow Canucks :o

*JR*
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:36 PM
seriously, you guys should stop these threads, cuz i am almost (a few months from :p) becoming a Justine fan :sad:
So you and "Luv" are rekindling the old flame? :p

per4ever
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:36 PM
I know VRT sucks, but why does Pierre-Yves brings it up now, two months after it. He should just shut up :rolleyes: , it may sound harsh but he should do to me , cause it isn't doing her any good.
we just see a few sentences Lien... We first need to see the WHOLE interview to have an idea of what he said. What if they asked PY what he didn't like about Vorst??? Then he answers, and they get it out of it context..and it seems as if he's not happy about Vorst.

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:38 PM
damn, and we're supposed to be the one country on this continent that actually gets British sarcasm :o

Apologies fellow Canucks :o
we all commit blunders dear :o

;)

:kiss:

SJW
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:38 PM
So you and "Luv" are rekindling the old flame? :p
i

think

not

;)

Cro-boy
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:52 PM
I think a kimfans need to respect Justine, and a jujufans need to respect Kim. The conflict between Kim and Justine is blown by journalists

Allez-H
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:55 PM
i'll fight you for it :fiery:;)

seriously, you guys should stop these threads, cuz i am almost (a few months from :p) becoming a Justine fan :sad:
Tell me where and when AND I'll be there :armed:

BTW:If you'd become a Juju-fan too,you just might become my fav poster down here.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 04:58 PM
General post to all the guys here that think that the fact that Justine is bashed by flemish media has nothing to do with her being walloon :

First , i have to say there is a difference between femish people and flemish media : media's work is to caricaturize reality, trying to make things simple when they are actually very complicated, trying to explain reality to people that they think are idiots. But, as they try to make things "simple", they take the most simplistic reference : flemsih vs walloon. In that way, they works the same way politicals are working. Off course, medias CANNOT find the answers to reality, so they would always go with that division. Same things for politicians : they cannot find solutions to unemployement, social problems, so they choose for the most "obvious" answers : it' because of those damn walloon, or it's because of those damn flemish.

Now, the big problem is that that way to divide the world, to analyse the things has become an HABIT, which crosses every single aspect of newspapers ' items. Journalists don't even realize what they are doing, because they do it so often that is has become normal to see things that way. Also in sports unfortunately. Last time i was watching "sportweekend" with Bas Leinders as a guest. And how did Frank RAES introduced him : " the man who could be the first flemish to drive a formula one". I thought "all right, so thierry boutsen, eric van de poele and bertrand gachot don't count".......well, they weren't flemish. So, no , they didn't really count. It is just an example but it is ALWAYS THE SAME.
Just look how Robert Waseige was criticized when he was federal coach. What was the problem with him, really? He qualifies belgium for the world cup ( beating favourites Czech republic in barrages ), but he was seen as an incompetent by the flemish media. Why? There wasn't really any reason. Or more precisely, the reason Belgium could not have reached the 1/8 of the world cup would be because the team was coached by the walloon robert waseige.
The same with Enzo SCIFO, one of the greatest player in belgium's history, but never good enough for flemish media. There are thousands more example.

Now it is the same with Justine. And honestly, anyone who tries to be objective knows that's what's going on with her. She's world n.1, has won 3 GS titles, but when kim win the masters, she is the real n.1. When she is beaten by justine, she had an off-day, but when she beats Justine, she's the real N.1. There was also that "ter zake" show during the AO where it was asked " who is the better player? Serena or Kim? " ( maybe they forgot that justine was N.1 )How do u explain it???

Now, the problem is that PEOPLE themselves don't realize it, that it isn't obvious to caricaturate things as " walloon vs flemish".
Fortunately, french -speaking press doesn't play that game, and respect kim as much as they respect Justine. Some say that what i just explain isn't true because flemish media bashed kim for her non-commitment to the Olympics. Well, i'm sorry , but that was indeed criticizable ( just as much as justine non-commitment to the fed cup....i see you coming ), but how do they dare to criticize Justine for being sick??? hOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? Unfortunately, Justine "the walloon" is the reason kim "de vlaamse" hasn't win any GS titles yet, so there HAS to be something wrong with Justine.
There are some belgian german-speaking guys i know, and they can't understand the lack of respect Justine is getting in flemish media neither. So don't say " you just say that because you're a french-speaker" or something.

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:07 PM
You're going too far into politics now.
Draw the line or things will explode and you know exactly where we are going then....:tape:

I'm not saying you are wrong with all your arguments, but are you always so bitter??

Cro-boy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:08 PM
Thanks for the infos.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:21 PM
read all my posts again, try to understand them coz obviously you dont, and then we'll talk again :)
Maybe you could explain it once more because i'm a bit stupid you know;) . Oh, wait, maybe you don't feel like explaining it because i already "contradict" them. Too bad............

dont see the difference, i WROTE my arguments in that assignment just like i WROTE my arguments in this thread. + i wrote them both on the same computer so i dont see a difference lol. big difference between WRITING sth and playing a game ;)
Sure, there is no difference between an assignment and a real discussion. You don't have contradictors in an assignment, while you have feedback in a real discussion. No need to say it is more difficult to stand by his/her arguments when there is someone to take them down.

it is :p
NO, it isn't
yes it is
no it isn't
yes it is
waw, what a great discussion we can have with you!!!!:rolleyes:


geez relax ;) life is not all about tennis you know ;) maybe you should get a life as well, really it's very nice in the outside world :) this is a thread about Justine, right, not about Kim so let's not start on Kim's image and stuff. Btw as Beggin Beguine said before, she got critisized a lot when she withdrew from the olympics, forgotten? ;)
When i take a look under your name, i see you have more than 22.000 posts, while i have only 500; so i really wonder WHO should take a look at the outside world.
Also, kim's non olympic commitment was indeed criticizable, while someone being sick is NO WAY criticizable

and the answer to your last question: i wrote it 3 hours ago and i'm not gonna keep on repeating it :)
:(
When your argument is being taken down, you're supposed to find a new one

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:21 PM
1. If you consider La derniere Heure as representative of belgian french speakingh press, i really feel sorry for you

2. Even the most pro-kim newspapers once said that , maybe, kim is too nice to win big, so how is that a critic? even if it was, i don't think you can compare it with the bashing-entreprise Justine gets in some flemish newspapers.

3. I don't remember reading such word as "childish". Check your translation skills first
1. Did I ever say somewhere La Dernière Heure was a representative paper? :confused: If I bought it it's because there was a long interview of Mister Arrogant (aka Carlos Rodriguez, sorry I can't stand the man)

2. Too nice isn't the same as childish.... childish is a critic for an adult. BTW, I prefer her to stay the same as she was before and to stay nice than to see her winning Slams and becoming a bitch

3. :eek: I forgot you read every newspapers everyday!!! :eek: my translation skills are perfect because what was said in the paper (honnestly I don't remember which one but it was after US Open final) "elle est trop enfantine pour gagner une levée du Grand Chelem" sorry but I think the word that fits the best is childish!

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:24 PM
You're going too far into politics now.
Draw the line or things will explode and you know exactly where we are going then....:tape:

I'm not saying you are wrong with all your arguments, but are you always so bitter??
I'm not bitter, but i'm student in journalism ( last year ) so i know what i'm talkin about, and after 4 years studying the subject, i'm a bit revolted at how journalists take profits of their position and how they use people's vulerability.

That's all.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:24 PM
First , i have to say there is a difference between femish people and flemish media : media's work is to caricaturize reality, trying to make things simple when they are actually very complicated, trying to explain reality to people that they think are idiots. But, as they try to make things "simple", they take the most simplistic reference : flemsih vs walloon. In that way, they works the same way politicals are working. Off course, medias CANNOT find the answers to reality, so they would always go with that division. Same things for politicians : they cannot find solutions to unemployement, social problems, so they choose for the most "obvious" answers : it' because of those damn walloon, or it's because of those damn flemish.
i'm not disagreeing with you (yet) i just have some questions

what's so difficult about the Justine-Kim relationship? why do they have to simplify tennis-stuff? :confused: and why was Kim bashed by the flemish media for withdrawing from the olympics?

Last time i was watching "sportweekend" with Bas Leinders as a guest. And how did Frank RAES introduced him : " the man who could be the first flemish to drive a formula one". I thought "all right, so thierry boutsen, eric van de poele and bertrand gachot don't count".......well, they weren't flemish. So, no , they didn't really count. It is just an example but it is ALWAYS THE SAME.
what sounds the most impressive:
Bas Leinders, the first flemish to drive a formula one car
or Bas Leinders, the fourth belgian to drive a formula one car

ys
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:25 PM
Seeing fans of Belgians fight each other is :cool: .. But can we get Cheetah's fans fight each other?

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:31 PM
1. Did I ever say somewhere La Dernière Heure was a representative paper? :confused: If I bought it it's because there was a long interview of Mister Arrogant (aka Carlos Rodriguez, sorry I can't stand the man)

2. Too nice isn't the same as childish.... childish is a critic for an adult. BTW, I prefer her to stay the same as she was before and to stay nice than to see her winning Slams and becoming a bitch

3. :eek: I forgot you read every newspapers everyday!!! :eek: my translation skills are perfect because what was said in the paper (honnestly I don't remember which one but it was after US Open final) "elle est trop enfantine pour gagner une levée du Grand Chelem" sorry but I think the word that fits the best is childish!
1. You said "french -speaking newspapers do the same with kim", taking la DH as a proof. So, yes, you took la DH as representative of french-speaking newspapers. Btw, your last sentence really shows how neutral you can be

2 and 3 .the problem is /the word " childish" wasn't being used. Childish means " gamine " , which is not the same as "enfantine". " Enfantine" means you don't take things seriously, "gamine" means you're not mature enough. Difference. Big difference!

Btw, first it was "yesterday's" newspaper, now it is "post us open" newspaper; so which one it is ??? You don't seem to know, really!

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:34 PM
Oops, i almost forgot : how do you explain justine getting bashed for being sick??
I know you asked it to Els but I want to answer this... she isn't bashed, at least I think, for being sick. Maybe she is because she asked to play her match on Thursday while everybody had the tickets for Wednesday all that for finaly withdrawing... I wouldn't bash her for that.. but I only think that one thing was rude from her this week... I think, but that's my opinion that you'll disagree I am sure, that she could have phoned herself (or asking Pierre-Yves, who is her manager) to tell Bob she won't play.? Because if I remember well, Bob knew it by the WTA.... (Don't tell me she doesn't have Bob's phone number because she certainly have it)

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:36 PM
i'm not gonna bother to react on your other things coz it's obvious that i cant get through to you :)

When i take a look under your name, i see you have more than 22.000 posts, while i have only 500; so i really wonder WHO should take a look at the outside world.
as i said, i used to spend a lot of time in non tennis, but i got a life a while ago, read my posts better sweetie :kiss: i used to be a real addict, i sometimes had +250posts/day :lol: but that has changed...you want proof? look in my profile: i posted 150 times in 4 months, not bad for someone who used to be such an addict, huh :)


Also, kim's non olympic commitment was indeed criticizable, while someone being sick is NO WAY criticizable
never said the media was right to critisise Justine on her withdrawal in Antwerp, coz they were not! they dont know her condition exactly, so they shouldn't have written that :) what i was just trying to say is: the media will take every opportunity they get to bash her cause of her 'bad image'. whether she deserved that bad image or not is another matter, which i'm not gonna discuss right now :) fact is that she's got it and it seems to me that she's not gonna get rid of it in the near future

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:36 PM
i'm not disagreeing with you (yet) i just have some questions

what's so difficult about the Justine-Kim relationship? why do they have to simplify tennis-stuff? :confused: and why was Kim bashed by the flemish media for withdrawing from the olympics?


what sounds the most impressive:
Bas Leinders, the first flemish to drive a formula one car
or Bas Leinders, the fourth belgian to drive a formula one car
1. Tennis is part of the whole package. This isn't diificult itself, but, as i said, their way to see the world ( flemish vs walloon ) crosses every single items. The worst thing is that they aren't aware of that, it has become an habit.

2.skipping the olympics is criticizable. No matter how they love kim.

3. neither of them sounds more impressive. One sounds "flemish first"n the other sounds " belgians first". Actually, 4 guys from the same country in formula 1 is a more impressive fact than 1 guy in formula 1

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:39 PM
I'm not bitter, but i'm student in journalism ( last year ) so i know what i'm talkin about, and after 4 years studying the subject, i'm a bit revolted at how journalists take profits of their position and how they use people's vulerability.

That's all.

Ok, that's what this is all about!!!!
But do you have to come up with the Flanders-Wallonia cumunautary subject?? It's always the same damn thing!

they're taking them both down, when they are the most vulnerable...

Is this really worth all this fuss????

alexusjonesfan
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:39 PM
keep it up, 800 more posts to chat thread status guys! :bounce:

;)

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:42 PM
i'm not gonna bother to react on your other things coz it's obvious that i cant get through to you :)
Just saying " you're too strong for me" would have been enough :) ( just kidding here )


as i said, i used to spend a lot of time in non tennis, but i got a life a while ago, read my posts better sweetie :kiss: i used to be a real addict, i sometimes had +250posts/day :lol: but that has changed...you want proof? look in my profile: i posted 150 times in 4 months, not bad for someone who used to be such an addict, huh :)
i don't need proof, i believe you



never said the media was right to critisise Justine on her withdrawal in Antwerp, coz they were not! they dont know her condition exactly, so they shouldn't have written that :) what i was just trying to say is: the media will take every opportunity they get to bash her cause of her 'bad image'. whether she deserved that bad image or not is another matter, which i'm not gonna discuss right now :) fact is that she's got it and it seems to me that she's not gonna get rid of it in the near future
Did you ever wonder who produces that "bad image" ? i hope you got he answer.

sorry for this never-ending row, but i felt like "fighting" today. Nothing personal against you.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:44 PM
Ok, that's what this is all about!!!!
But do you have to come up with the Flanders-Wallonia cumunautary subject?? It's always the same damn thing!

they're taking them both down, when they are the most vulnerable...

Is this really worth all this fuss????
sorry, but the subject of the thread is " flemisH media taking justine down" isn't it?
I know it is always the same damn thing, but who do you think is responsible for that? again, i hope you got the answer

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:46 PM
Did you ever wonder who produces that "bad image" ? i hope you got he answer.

How about Justine herself? I was a fan of both Kim and Justine equally. Justine's comments changed that. And I got those comments from Justine herself, not from the Belgian press.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:47 PM
I know you asked it to Els but I want to answer this... she isn't bashed, at least I think, for being sick. Maybe she is because she asked to play her match on Thursday while everybody had the tickets for Wednesday all that for finaly withdrawing... I wouldn't bash her for that.. but I only think that one thing was rude from her this week... I think, but that's my opinion that you'll disagree I am sure, that she could have phoned herself (or asking Pierre-Yves, who is her manager) to tell Bob she won't play.? Because if I remember well, Bob knew it by the WTA.... (Don't tell me she doesn't have Bob's phone number because she certainly have it)
1. she asked for a thursday start because she would have had more time to recover from her illness
2. it is the wta that has to know about her withdrawal first, not verbeeck

gentenaire
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:48 PM
sorry, but the subject of the thread is " flemisH media taking justine down" isn't it?


Unless my eyes are deceiving me , the subject is 'BELGIAN press unanimous about fake forfeit of Justine'.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:49 PM
1. Tennis is part of the whole package. This isn't diificult itself, but, as i said, their way to see the world ( flemish vs walloon ) crosses every single items. The worst thing is that they aren't aware of that, it has become an habit.lmao next time i read a newspaper i'm gonna look for those things (the flemish-walloonthing) in every article, damn you made me paranoid :lol:

anyway imo the flemish vs. walloon thing is sth that is blown way out of proportion on wtaworld.

i can't help but wonder: what if Justine was born in flanders? I don't think she would be a lot more popular here but we'll never find out i guess :)

2.skipping the olympics is criticizable. No matter how they love kim.
she did have some pretty good arguments though... (although i was very mad at her at that moment :o ) The flemish media and Kim havent been on good terms either ;) she 'boycotted' the flemish media a few times, refused to talk to them etc, and they wrote some pretty nasty things about her too :(

3. neither of them sounds more impressive. One sounds "flemish first"n the other sounds " belgians first". Actually, 4 guys from the same country in formula 1 is a more impressive fact than 1 guy in formula 11st flemish sounds more impressive to me anyway
and it's not a program where they wanna speak highly about Belgium as a whole, they just want their guests to look special :tape: (although i dont find a lot special about him, he just happens to have enough money to afford it :( ) I rather see Kirsten Flipkens every week :worship: :hearts:

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:53 PM
How about Justine herself? I was a fan of both Kim and Justine equally. Justine's comments changed that. And I got those comments from Justine herself, not from the Belgian press.
How do her comments came to you? Were you there? Did she gave you a phone call or something? I don't think so.
You don't seem to realize how EASY it is to make somebody say something.
Just an example : during her last usopen press conference, someone asked justine if she thought the WS were afraid of her now. Her answer was : " i hope so ( laugh ). She was obviously kidding. Now if you want to make Justine appear as a bitch, all you have to do is not saying she was kidding. That isn't really "lying" , but iT doesn't represent what she really said neither.

easy, isn't it?

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:53 PM
1. You said "french -speaking newspapers do the same with kim", taking la DH as a proof. So, yes, you took la DH as representative of french-speaking newspapers. Btw, your last sentence really shows how neutral you can be

2 and 3 .the problem is /the word " childish" wasn't being used. Childish means " gamine " , which is not the same as "enfantine". " Enfantine" means you don't take things seriously, "gamine" means you're not mature enough. Difference. Big difference!

Btw, first it was "yesterday's" newspaper, now it is "post us open" newspaper; so which one it is ??? You don't seem to know, really!
1. Oh yeah, so giving the example immeadiatly means that I think La DH is representative :yeah:

2. 3. Big difference :eek: See YOUR language skills mate!!! I just took my "LE Robert & Collins" and this is what's written

Enfantin, e : adj (typique de l'enfance) childlike, childish

So yeah, I really need to look back at my language skills as i am so mistaken by translating Enfantine by childish :eek: Of course, I know you won't believe me and you'll say that I am lying or inventing or whatever.

Did I say the bad comment that was made on Kim was from yesterday? :confused: Never said that!

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:54 PM
Unless my eyes are deceiving me , the subject is 'BELGIAN press unanimous about fake forfeit of Justine'.
WHen belgian is "het laatste nieuws, her nieuwsblad, het belang van limburg, ....", it is flemish.

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:56 PM
Just saying " you're too strong for me" would have been enough :) ( just kidding here )
honey you are too strong for me! i cant fight against you, you're too good :sad: :kiss:

Did you ever wonder who produces that "bad image" ? i hope you got he answer.
ok some people get this kind of information from the media

when i read the press conference where justine accused lindsay of faking, i was mad, very mad and from that moment on i was no longer a fan of justine -> i didn't need any journalist for that

when i was watching Justine-Serena at RG -> the handthingy, i saw that it was wrong what justine did there -> i didn't need any commentator or journalist for that

sorry for this never-ending row, but i felt like "fighting" today. Nothing personal against you.
:smash:

Justineladivine
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:57 PM
Ok, that's what this is all about!!!!
But do you have to come up with the Flanders-Wallonia cumunautary subject?? It's always the same damn thing!



I'm afraid this is the whole point, Elke. In Belgium EVERYTHING sooner or later boils down to community squabbles. Acting the ostrich and burying your head in the sand won't change things. Everytime there's a walloon-fleming squabble popping up I hear people say. "Oh come on, it's political, people don't really hate each other in Belgium". I wish it were true but my personal experience tells me otherwise. This is one ot the reasons why I don't live in Belgium. I'm sorry but once again (see my previous post) the press or politicians wouldn't play up or exploit squabbles if they didn't have people responding so easily to them. And I repeat again instead of being a blessing as it would have been in most countries the fact of having the best two champions of the moment has become a curse in Belgium only worsening community conflicts. It was bound to happen and it has happened despite the large number of Juju fans in the north of the country

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:59 PM
sorry for this never-ending row, but i felt like "fighting" today. Nothing personal against you.

Then I wish you a great night with even greater company....:wavey:

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 05:59 PM
1. Oh yeah, so giving the example immeadiatly means that I think La DH is representative :yeah:

2. 3. Big difference :eek: See YOUR language skills mate!!! I just took my "LE Robert & Collins" and this is what's written

Enfantin, e : adj (typique de l'enfance) childlike, childish

So yeah, I really need to look back at my language skills as i am so mistaken by translating Enfantine by childish :eek: Of course, I know you won't believe me and you'll say that I am lying or inventing or whatever.

Did I say the bad comment that was made on Kim was from yesterday? :confused: Never said that!
1you didn't take la DH as an example, you take it as THE proof. Why didn't you take "la libre" or "le soir" as examples then? coz they didn't fit your opinion

2. then what? how is that a critic to say someone is "enfantin"???? Really they are WAY TOO harsch on kim :rolleyes:

Justineladivine
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:00 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Juju (who seems to love her country) shouldn't get her pal Martina to get her Swiss nationality. I'm sure the Swiss (despite their being a quadrilingual country) would treat her with all the respect and admiration Justine truly deserves

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:01 PM
1. she asked for a thursday start because she would have had more time to recover from her illness
2. it is the wta that has to know about her withdrawal first, not verbeeck
Like I said, i don't think which was rude is that Bob knew it by the WTA... OK, if the tournament was in another country it would be normal for the tournament to know it by the WTA. But here, I think they know each other better than the normal "tournament director-player" relationship... Didn't he organise the Tennis Night in the honour of Justine?

As for people giving a bad image of Justine.. I know someone who knows her... well it'd maybe better to say someone who knew the old Justine. Because the new one doesn't dare to say hello anymore, she is just ignoring that person.

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:05 PM
honey you are too strong for me! i cant fight against you, you're too good :sad: :kiss:


ok some people get this kind of information from the media

when i read the press conference where justine accused lindsay of faking, i was mad, very mad and from that moment on i was no longer a fan of justine -> i didn't need any journalist for that

when i was watching Justine-Serena at RG -> the handthingy, i saw that it was wrong what justine did there -> i didn't need any commentator or journalist for that


:smash:
Wait, i never said justine never did anything wrong! Just saying it was blown out of proportion by the media. And average people didn't read justine's Zurcih press conference, or even see justine's hand. The media did for them

Oh, and you stop to like justine after Zurich. Fine. Did you stop to like kim after san diego as well? ( once again, NOTHING against kimn just pointing out double standards )

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:08 PM
1you didn't take la DH as an example, you take it as THE proof. Why didn't you take "la libre" or "le soir" as examples then? coz they didn't fit your opinion

2. then what? how is that a critic to say someone is "enfantin"???? Really they are WAY TOO harsch on kim :rolleyes:
1) yeah :eek: Example = proof, I never knew that!!! Why didn't I take "la libre" or "le soir"? because on "le soir" there wasn't an interview of Carlos Rodriguez! And why not "La Libre"? Because if you read well "La Libre" and "La derniere heure" especially in the sport section, you'll see the articles are nearly the same!

2) ok, so I'd like to see your reaction if it'd be written in the newspaper that you are someone childish! Personnaly, I'd hate it :)

Elke
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:10 PM
I'm afraid this is the whole point, Elke. In Belgium EVERYTHING sooner or later boils down to community squabbles. Acting the ostrich and burying your head in the sand won't change things. Everytime there's a walloon-fleming squabble popping up I hear people say. "Oh come on, it's political, people don't really hate each other in Belgium". I wish it were true but my personal experience tells me otherwise. This is one ot the reasons why I don't live in Belgium. I'm sorry but once again (see my previous post) the press or politicians wouldn't play up or exploit squabbles if they didn't have people responding so easily to them. And I repeat again instead of being a blessing as it would have been in most countries the fact of having the best two champions of the moment has become a curse in Belgium only worsening community conflicts. It was bound to happen and it has happened despite the large number of Juju fans in the north of the country

I know everything will come down to communautary problems, it's just a matter of giving an taking, in everything you do, also in this matter.

Just a simple example: When I go to Wallonia, normally once or twice a week, I try to adapt and speak French. It's not perfect but at least I try.
But when the Walloons come to Flanders, they don't even TRY to speak Flemish/Dutch. And I really understand people fall over this kind of problems.
If you want another one: In Flanders, they flash a lot (flitsen:o), a lot more (even procentually) than in Wallonia, everyone pays their fine. All of the fines go together in one 'pot' and it's equally spread for Flanders and Wallonia.
Now comes the 'difficulty'.... Should Flemish people get mad because they pay those Wallonians or should they be happy that the roads and the infrastructure are getting better in Wallonia?

This communutary stuff is just as bad as you wanna look at it. Despite all the fuss, we are one country, whether we want it or not.

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:11 PM
Yay, a thread where you can post the pictures of your cat. :bounce:

These are mine :

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:11 PM
Oh, and you stop to like justine after Zurich. Fine. Did you stop to like kim after san diego as well? ( once again, NOTHING against kimn just pointing out double standards )
well Lindsay Davenport has been my number 1 fave since 1999 :) accusing Lindsay of something means i start disliking that person :D

as i said before, i cant seem to remember the san diego thingy ;) but if i would have known, i wouldn't start to dislike Kim, cause i dislike Justine ;) so bashing on justine is not a reason for me to start disliking them :lol: although, like i said before, i dont approve it. :)

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:11 PM
Ok, that's what this is all about!!!!
But do you have to come up with the Flanders-Wallonia cumunautary subject?? It's always the same damn thing!

they're taking them both down, when they are the most vulnerable...

Is this really worth all this fuss????
I thought i made it clear but i'm gonna say it again : I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA, NOT THE REAL PEOPLE. there's a HUGE difference between both!

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:15 PM
1) yeah :eek: Example = proof, I never knew that!!! Why didn't I take "la libre" or "le soir"? because on "le soir" there wasn't an interview of Carlos Rodriguez! And why not "La Libre"? Because if you read well "La Libre" and "La derniere heure" especially in the sport section, you'll see the articles are nearly the same!

2) ok, so I'd like to see your reaction if it'd be written in the newspaper that you are someone childish! Personnaly, I'd hate it :)
1. in the rhetoric you use, example does equal proof. Find me another example , if i'm really out of the line. i guess i can wait a long time .

2. come on, don't tell me that saying someone is childish is as harsh as saying someone os faking illness, doesn't want to play for her fans,.....

minboy
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:16 PM
well Lindsay Davenport has been my number 1 fave since 1999 :) accusing Lindsay of something means i start disliking that person :D

as i said before, i cant seem to remember the san diego thingy ;) but if i would have known, i wouldn't start to dislike Kim, cause i dislike Justine ;) so bashing on justine is not a reason for me to start disliking them :lol: although, like i said before, i dont approve it. :)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ok fine, at least you're being honest now, i can appreciate that

JustineTime
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:17 PM
:)



Yeah, the Americans sure love her :tape: :lol: :o
I/m American and I love her! :mad:

Racist! :rolleyes:

Hey, Greenout, you gonna sit there and take this discrimination? :hehehe:

Elske
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:22 PM
my dog and cat :drool:

selestribe
Feb 21st, 2004, 06:34 PM
Does anybody know if the Justinatrix likes dogs or cats?






Maybe she doesn't need an extra pet? Justine already has
Pierre Yves. :haha:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 07:52 PM
I know everything will come down to communautary problems, it's just a matter of giving an taking, in everything you do, also in this matter.

Just a simple example: When I go to Wallonia, normally once or twice a week, I try to adapt and speak French. It's not perfect but at least I try.
But when the Walloons come to Flanders, they don't even TRY to speak Flemish/Dutch. And I really understand people fall over this kind of problems.
If you want another one: In Flanders, they flash a lot (flitsen:o), a lot more (even procentually) than in Wallonia, everyone pays their fine. All of the fines go together in one 'pot' and it's equally spread for Flanders and Wallonia.
Now comes the 'difficulty'.... Should Flemish people get mad because they pay those Wallonians or should they be happy that the roads and the infrastructure are getting better in Wallonia?

This communutary stuff is just as bad as you wanna look at it. Despite all the fuss, we are one country, whether we want it or not.
Here, I have to protest :p

I hope you aren't generalizing!!!! Even if I don't feel like that, on my identity card, I am Walloon and when I go to Flanders (at least every week) I speak Dutch! And I think we can say as well that not all the Flemishs are trying to speak French with Walloons! (example : someone of my own family)

But I agree that they are more Flemishs that know French then Walloons that know Dutch! But I just want you to not generalizing about Walloons not trying to speak Dutch!

As for the flashes, I can't say because I am not sure about that. But isn't it a regional competence? :confused:

Come-on-kim
Feb 21st, 2004, 07:53 PM
1. in the rhetoric you use, example does equal proof. Find me another example , if i'm really out of the line. i guess i can wait a long time .

2. come on, don't tell me that saying someone is childish is as harsh as saying someone os faking illness, doesn't want to play for her fans,.....
Like Els said earlier you'll always find something to protest,... so I won't answer anymore to your comments in this topic. I have other things to do tonight

TennisHack
Feb 21st, 2004, 08:53 PM
Well, this thread was most useful in updating my ignore list :)

I admit that I don't read GM very carefully, but just by skimming over the topics posted in the last few weeks, it seems its the JHH fans who are whining about injustice towards her in the media. Seems to me both JHH and Kim have gotten a lot of harsh criticism in the Belgian media (unless I just dreamt up the whole Olympics controversy).

To say Flemish media isn't Belgian is horseshit. Just because you think they are unfairly targetting your girl doesn't make it any less Belgian. Personally, I think the rabid JHH fans should take a page out of her book and ignore the media (or at least, don't get it so much damn attention). The whole point is to get everyone riled up. If you don't give it attention, you don't feed the troll. Don't buy the papers, cancel your subscriptions, whatever. No need to shorten your life over such a stupid, petty thing.

Brαm
Feb 21st, 2004, 09:25 PM
I/m American and I love her! :mad:

Racist! :rolleyes:

Hey, Greenout, you gonna sit there and take this discrimination? :hehehe:
Racist? LMAO!

Good joke :D

faste5683
Feb 21st, 2004, 10:14 PM
Sounds a bit like the syndrome of trying to cut down the (not very in Juju's case) tall poppy. Is this common over there? It's certainly a favourite pastime in Australia. Hewitt and Scud get heaps of unfair criticism in their own country.

I wish JuJu and Co. would move to Florida. She would become a U.S. citizen, become even MORE fabulously wealthy, and sell all sorts of products, including tires and barbecue grills.

There would be no more Belgian press to deal with, and her mastery of the English language would be superb. She and Pierre could settle down, have a bunch of little JuJu's, and in twenty years or so I can see her running for congress.
I can see Pierre being interested in Oceanography, going back to school, and end up owning a successful deep-water salvaging company.

:wavey:

starr
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:34 PM
Anyway, I think it is very nice that Kim is working hard to learn French. :angel:

William Hunt
Feb 21st, 2004, 11:46 PM
[QUOTE=gopher]The comments are quite clear: Kim would have made it here on this underground; Justine had nothing to win here, on top of it she was irritated about not being the real star. In general, the Belgian tennis fans are perceived to be the real victims. QUOTE]

That is the biggest nonsense I've ever heard. The Belgian press is not unanimous about this at all. What some mainstream presspapers print is not the general consensus at all and especially not of the specialized press !

In fact Justine would have certainly played had she not been ill, it is a fact that she would have preferred not to play in Antwerp because it doesn't fit well in her schedule but by not playing in Antwerp she did lose some ranking points and Kim gained points on her, so Justine had nothing to win by withdrawing.

Besides it really irritates me how people try to unfairly bash on Justine just because they are jealous of her succes. JUSTINE IS SUFFERING FROM BRONCHITIS and her illness is real ! In fact there is a big chance that she won't be able to play in Dubai, according to the latest news she will withdraw there as well.