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shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:11 PM
Which is more likely and why?

JasonUK
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:13 PM
If the Williams sister are fully fit by Wimbledon, I doubt Justine will win Wimbledon, but I do think it could be Kim's year to win a GS

Justinefan
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:14 PM
I think it's more likely for Justine to win Wimbledon.. Once the Williams sisters are back in the field it will be tough for both the Belgians, tough for Kim to even make a final possibly.. but Justine wants that Wimbledon really bad, it's all that's missing.

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:17 PM
If the Williams comes back in full force, there's really very little chance Kim will even make the finals. Kim has never gotten past a Williams in 3 tries.

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:29 PM
Of those two scenarios, I'd have to say that Justine :fiery: winning Wimbledon is more likely because (a) she's proven she can win a major, (b) the Big W would complete her career Grand Slam and (c) Kim's best shot to win will always be in Australia. IF las soeurs Williams are in match shape by Wimbledon (which, unfortunately, is a big IF nowadays), however, they both can, as Stefano Capriati might say, "fugheddabouddit!" ;)

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:35 PM
Kim will win a grand slam! Kim played a 4 Gs finals. The next time She will probably win.
Justine will not to win Wimbledon because She isn't so good on the grass!!

per4ever
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Kim will win a grand slam! Kim played a 4 Gs finals. The next time She will probably win.
Justine will not to win Wimbledon because She isn't so good on the grass!!
Justine not so good on the grass :lol:

we really have funny posters at wtaworld

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Justine not so good on the grass :lol:

we really have funny posters at wtaworld

Justine is better on red clay or hard

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Justine is better on red clay or hard

what???!!!!???? Are you seriously saying this? Yes she's great on BOTH green and red clay surfaces and she's improved on hard, but grass is definitely among her best surfaces. She's made the semis three years in a row (and made the final in 2001). She's only lost to two people in the last three years.

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:49 PM
The Williams sisters and Kim are better than Justine on the grass

Allez-H
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:50 PM
The Williams sisters and Kim are better than Justine on the grass
I agree with you on the Sisters,but Kim?Pleazzzzzzzzzzz

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Kim will win a grand slam! Kim played a 4 Gs finals. The next time She will probably win.
Justine will not to win Wimbledon because She isn't so good on the grass!!
1. Justine has also played in four Grand Slam finals. The difference is, she won three of them.

2. Justine is 16-4 (.800) at Wimbledon, whereas Kim is 14-5 (.737). If Justine "isn't so good" on grass, then what does that make Kim?

per4ever
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:51 PM
oh pls go back to where you come from :lol:

The williams sisters are the best on grass.. then followed by Justine.

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:53 PM
what???!!!!???? Are you seriously saying this? Yes she's great on BOTH green and red clay surfaces and she's improved on hard, but grass is definitely among her best surfaces. She's made the semis three years in a row (and made the final in 2001). She's only lost to two people in the last three years.

Justine won a 3 GS, She had never win at Wimbledon. She is best player on the clay(red and green).

justine&coria
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:53 PM
The Williams sisters and Kim are better than Justine on the grass

The Williams sisters were better than Justine on grass (at least I hope so!)!
But, I don't think Kim was ever better than Justine on grass.

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Justine will win at Wimbledon in the next years
Kim will win a grand slam this year.
The Williams sisters?????? injuries

Allez-H
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:02 PM
Justine will win at Wimbledon in the next years
Kim will win a grand slam this year.
The Williams sisters?????? injuries
If the Williamssisters are injured,why shouldn't Justine win Wimbledon this year?

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Serena has won the last two Wimbledons and Venus is only the fourth woman in history to play in four straight Wimbledon finals, so until proven otherwise, they're the two best grass-court players in the world. Based on past performances at the four majors in general and Wimbledon in particular, Justine has a much better chance at knocking off one or both Williams sisters there than Kim. ;)

JasonUK
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Justine will not to win Wimbledon because She isn't so good on the grass!!

WTF? :confused: Justine herself said that her game is best suited to grass courts

Allez-H
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Best Grasscourt players: 1.Serena and Venus
2.Justine
3.Kim and maybe Amelie
4.The rest

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:27 PM
When the sisters return and Kim hasnīt won RG, then the answer is: BOTH are as unlikely. The gap between the sisters and the others on grass and hardcourts is HUUUUUUGGGEEEE. Donīt think itīs gonna get closed in just one year.

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Right now.

Grass
Venus
Serena
Justine
Lindsay
Amelie
Kim

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:28 PM
last year: 1.Serena
2.Venus
3.Kim
4.Justine

this year: 1.Justine or Kim
3.Lindsay
4.Jennifer
5.Amelie
6.Serena&Venus????

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:30 PM
When the sisters return and Kim hasnīt won RG, then the answer is: BOTH are as unlikely. The gap between the sisters and the others on grass and hardcourts is HUUUUUUGGGEEEE. Donīt think itīs gonna get closed in just one year.

I think the Sisters need to come back on top of their game in order for them to make the finals together. If not, I think Justine can REALISTICALLY make her second Wimbledon final. I think that Justine is really riding high right now save the injuries, the sisters however have not played in a while (serena) and venus is just not finding her range within matches. But if the sister never return to their form, which is unlikely, justine has more chances of winning wimbledon than kim has winning as a slam.

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:35 PM
I think the Sisters need to come back on top of their game in order for them to make the finals together. If not, I think Justine can REALISTICALLY make her second Wimbledon final. I think that Justine is really riding high right now save the injuries, the sisters however have not played in a while (serena) and venus is just not finding her range within matches. But if the sister never return to their form, which is unlikely, justine has more chances of winning wimbledon than kim has winning as a slam.

She can REACH the finals, but she WONīT win the final.

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:35 PM
last year: 1.Serena
2.Venus
3.Kim
4.Justine

this year: 1.Justine or Kim
3.Lindsay
4.Jennifer
5.Amelie
6.Serena&Venus

:haha: :rolls: :haha:

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:39 PM
Best Grasscourt players: 1.Serena and Venus
2.Justine
3.Kim and maybe Amelie
4.The rest
Here are mine:
1. Serena Williams ('02-'03 Wimbledon champion)
2. Venus Williams ('00-'01 champion, '02-'03 finalist)
3. Justine Henin-Hardenne ('01 finalist, '02-'03 semis)
4. Lindsay Davenport ('99 champion, '00 finalist)
5. Kim Clijsters ('03 Choke Job in semis)
6-1,199. Everybody else ranked on the WTA computer except.....
1,200. Anna Kournikova (only because I really, really, really CAN'T STAND her) ;)

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:40 PM
:haha: :rolls: :haha:

i know right...can you believe???

KIM??? Pleaseeeee

St.Sebastian
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:41 PM
last year: 1.Serena
2.Venus
3.Kim
4.Justine

this year: 1.Justine or Kim
3.Lindsay
4.Jennifer
5.Amelie
6.Serena&Venus????
:haha: :haha:

You are a great expert, especially since Jen and Serena didn't play this year :rolleyes:
WTF are this rankings??

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:45 PM
i know right...can you believe???

KIM??? Pleaseeeee Why don't you like Kim?

tennisIlove09
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:49 PM
Justine is better on grass then Kim. No way you can prove otherwise.

Last three WB's for Justine is much more impressive then Kim's:
-RU; SF; SF

Kim's only been to the SF once in her career.

And last year Kim "beat" Justine on grass when Justine retired mid match. No a "true" victory, especially when Justine had won the first set.

tennisluver99
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:53 PM
I'm going to make a bold prediction:

Justine Henin will NEVER win Wimbledon.

I will make another prediction. In a couple years the Williams sisters will still be playing and Henin will be retired.
Henin just seems too fragile, always sick or injured. So I wouldn't be surprised if Henin retires in a couple years.

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Why don't you like Kim?

i like kim, buy i don't think she's anywhere near being called the best on grass.

Now, why don't you provide us with some evidence as to why Kim is the better on grass than Justine.

for-sure
Feb 19th, 2004, 05:57 PM
When the sisters come back they may just be on the sam side of the draw...meaning that who wins all depends on the DRAW and who is healthy.

Lynx
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:00 PM
First of all: since your question leaves the Williams sisters out of the equation, I won't include them in my answer either (there would have to be many more "ifs").

Then I'd have to say that Kim winning a Slam is much more likely.

Why? A simple matter of statistics:
Kim has still 3 chances to win a Slam this year; Justine has only one to win Wimbledon. Statistically the chances are against Justine.
sure, Justine won 3 Slam-finals against Kim: so what? Even if she could keep winning those finals (a big IF imo) she would have to make all Slam-finals Kim makes to keep Kim from winning that Slam (since I can't see anybody else threatening Kim). I'm not saying she isn't capable of doing that, but this means she would have to be healty and fit every time Kim is... Again, statistically the chances are against her.

Knizzle
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:01 PM
Kim winning a slam.

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:01 PM
i like kim, buy i don't think she's anywhere near being called the best on grass.

Now, why don't you provide us with some evidence as to why Kim is the better on grass than Justine.

I don't know who is better on grass.

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Why don't you like Kim?
It's not about disliking Kim. It's about Justine being a better player on grass (or any other surface, for that matter) than Kim. Simply put, Kim should have been in all four finals last year, but she choked at Australia and Wimbledon. Kim certainly has the talent to win any or all of the four majors, but as far as this particular topic goes, I think Justine has a better chance of winning Wimbledon '04 than Kim has of winning her first major. ;)

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Kim has the mental problems in a GS finals. Justine is the strongest player in mental!

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:26 PM
Kim has the mental problems in a GS finals. Justine is the strongest player in mental!
The nominations for this year's Overstating the Obvious Award are now closed, ladies and gentlemen..... ;)

JasonUK
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:34 PM
Kim has the mental problems

Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound like you're calling Kim a psychopath?

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound like you're calling Kim a psychopath?
Well, she did agree to become Mrs. Lleyton Hewitt, so you can't deny that Kim's missing a couple of cards from her deck..... ;)

JasonUK
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:43 PM
Well, she did agree to become Mrs. Lleyton Hewitt, so you can't deny that Kim's missing a couple of cards from her deck..... ;)

:haha:

dinu
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:43 PM
Can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound like you're calling Kim a psychopath?

sorry, my english is a really bad :( :( :(

Hagar
Feb 19th, 2004, 07:44 PM
I cannot believe that people keep saying that clay is Justine's best surface.
I'd say that with Justine's qualities, she's an allrounder. So can she win Wimbledon? Of course she can, she made it to the final in 2001 by beating Capriati (who was really at the top then), and took a set of Venus in the final.
As for Kim, will people stop saying that she is less good on clay.
I still believe that Kim's best shot for a Slam is Roland Garros because the hardhitters (and I consider Justine to be one of them) affect her less on that surface.

darrinbaker00
Feb 19th, 2004, 07:54 PM
Kim's capable of winning all four majors, but I believe her best chance is in Australia for two reasons:

1. She's practically an Aussie now, so she's got the crowd on her side.

2. It's only three weeks into the season, so she may be able to catch everyone else napping.

Nothing personal, but if Justine and the Williams sisters are in match shape, then Kim is #4 in the WTA hierarchy, and the results at the majors bear that out. ;)

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Kim's capable of winning all four majors, but I believe her best chance is in Australia for two reasons:

1. She's practically an Aussie now, so she's got the crowd on her side.

2. It's only three weeks into the season, so she may be able to catch everyone else napping.

Nothing personal, but if Justine and the Williams sisters are in match shape, then Kim is #4 in the WTA hierarchy, and the results at the majors bear that out. ;)

Bottom-line!

Crazy Canuck
Feb 19th, 2004, 08:39 PM
I'm going to make a bold prediction:

Justine Henin will NEVER win Wimbledon.

I will make another prediction. In a couple years the Williams sisters will still be playing and Henin will be retired.
Henin just seems too fragile, always sick or injured. So I wouldn't be surprised if Henin retires in a couple years.

Right.. because as we all know, the Williams sisters are very durable, unlike "fragile" Henin. Hee!

Um... she'll never win a slam.... she'll never get to number one.... she'll never win the USO.... she'll never win Wimbledon... I feel like a Williams fan here ;)

LindsayRocks89
Feb 19th, 2004, 08:39 PM
this year id say neither

venusfan
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:29 PM
The 2000-2003 Wimbledons Champions = Best on grass

Henin and Clijsters were humiliated by the 2000-2003 Wimbledon Champions the last time they played on grass so no doubt who are the best on grass.

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:33 PM
Right now.

Grass
Venus
Serena
Justine
Lindsay
Amelie
Kim
i think Serena is currently better than Venus on all surfaces

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:34 PM
Right.. because as we all know, the Williams sisters are very durable, unlike "fragile" Henin. Hee!

Um... she'll never win a slam.... she'll never get to number one.... she'll never win the USO.... she'll never win Wimbledon... I feel like a Williams fan here ;)
:lol::lol::lol:

but if you ever become one, i'll call the men in white coats ;)

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:39 PM
i think Serena is currently better than Venus on all surfaces

I've got to disagree. I think that Venus is just the better sister on grass. IN 2002, I think the only reason Serena won over Venus was due to Serena's high having reached the #1 position after her win in the (is it QF or Semis?). In 2003, there was no doubt in my head that Venus was probably playing her best tennis since 2001. I think that put Serena and Venus out there completely fit, Venus will come out the victor on grass 3/4 times.

sartrista7
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:39 PM
i think Serena is currently better than Venus on all surfaces

Venus is the superior grass court player... if Serena is at 100%, only two players can currently beat her, Justine on clay and Venus on grass. Venus has superior volleys, deals with low sliced shots more effectively and can outserve anyone on grass as long as she keeps her first serve percentage high.

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:43 PM
I've got to disagree. I think that Venus is just the better sister on grass. IN 2002, I think the only reason Serena won over Venus was due to Serena's high having reached the #1 position after her win in the (is it QF or Semis?). In 2003, there was no doubt in my head that Venus was probably playing her best tennis since 2001. I think that put Serena and Venus out there completely fit, Venus will come out the victor on grass 3/4 times.
:shrug:

i'm not used to people agreeing with me when it comes to the sisters (or one vs the other)

i just sit back and count the slams

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Venus is the superior grass court player... if Serena is at 100%, only two players can currently beat her, Justine on clay and Venus on grass. Venus has superior volleys, deals with low sliced shots more effectively and can outserve anyone on grass as long as she keeps her first serve percentage high.
yes Alex

shap_half
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:44 PM
:shrug:

i'm not used to people agreeing with me when it comes to the sisters (or one vs the other)

i just sit back and count the slams

:lol: nice...

Maybe it's because I probably just prefer Venus over Serena and because Venus volleys better and I like it when people volley? :shrug:

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:45 PM
Maybe it's because I probably just prefer Venus over Serena....
;)

sartrista7
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:47 PM
The only thing which Serena is better than Venus at is hitting a ball over a net :tape: ;)

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:47 PM
The only thing which Serena is better than Venus at is hitting a ball over a net :tape: ;)
i'm not gonna disagree...you scare me :tape:


;)


:p

alexusjonesfan
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:50 PM
The 2000-2003 Wimbledons Champions = Best on grass

Henin and Clijsters were humiliated by the 2000-2003 Wimbledon Champions the last time they played on grass so no doubt who are the best on grass.erm...say what you will about Justine's semi (ain't no shame in losing to Serena when she's playing like that) but Kim was anything but humiliated in hers. ;) :cool:

oh and nice to see you're back up on the bandwagon, did they save you a seat? :wavey:

Justinefan
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:52 PM
I'm going to make a bold prediction:

Justine Henin will NEVER win Wimbledon.

I will make another prediction. In a couple years the Williams sisters will still be playing and Henin will be retired.
Henin just seems too fragile, always sick or injured. So I wouldn't be surprised if Henin retires in a couple years.
Justine does well at Wimbledon, I think it's already been said, but she claims her game is suited for grass. And Henin is too fragile? who's been out for over six months?

SJW
Feb 19th, 2004, 10:00 PM
erm...say what you will about Justine's semi (ain't no shame in losing to Serena when she's playing like that) but Kim was anything but humiliated in hers. ;) :cool:

oh and nice to see you're back up on the bandwagon, did they save you a seat? :wavey:
kicked his trifilin behind to the curb more like...

i don't feel like being nice to people today :(

Crazy Canuck
Feb 19th, 2004, 10:33 PM
:lol::lol::lol:

but if you ever become one, i'll call the men in white coats ;)
I've always liked Venus. But a "Williams fan" I am not ... so need to call the men in white coats ;)

Knizzle
Feb 19th, 2004, 10:36 PM
erm...say what you will about Justine's semi (ain't no shame in losing to Serena when she's playing like that) but Kim was anything but humiliated in hers. ;) :cool:

oh and nice to see you're back up on the bandwagon, did they save you a seat? :wavey:

Venus was teaching Kim how to be a competitor and how to play grasscourt tennis. Unfoutunately Kim didn't pick up on the competitor thing as evidenced by the US Open and the Aussie, but maybe she picked up a few grasscourt tips like possibly venturing to the net a bit more.

faste5683
Feb 19th, 2004, 11:05 PM
Here are mine:
1. Serena Williams ('02-'03 Wimbledon champion)
2. Venus Williams ('00-'01 champion, '02-'03 finalist)
3. Justine Henin-Hardenne ('01 finalist, '02-'03 semis)
4. Lindsay Davenport ('99 champion, '00 finalist)
5. Kim Clijsters ('03 Choke Job in semis)
6-1,199. Everybody else ranked on the WTA computer except.....
1,200. Anna Kournikova (only because I really, really, really CAN'T STAND her) ;)

:eek: What?? You use *facts* in your descion making process?! :eek:

:wavey:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 19th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Venus was teaching Kim how to be a competitor and how to play grasscourt tennis. Unfoutunately Kim didn't pick up on the competitor thing as evidenced by the US Open and the Aussie, but maybe she picked up a few grasscourt tips like possibly venturing to the net a bit more.

Kim was playing great grasscourt tennis the whole fortnight thanks. She wasn't coming to net as often as Venus but seeing how Kim played for a set and a half, she wasn't getting schooled either. ;)

tennisluver99
Feb 19th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Right.. because as we all know, the Williams sisters are very durable, unlike "fragile" Henin. Hee!

Um... she'll never win a slam.... she'll never get to number one.... she'll never win the USO.... she'll never win Wimbledon... I feel like a Williams fan here ;)

I just don't see Henin holding up the Wimbledon trophy, especially if the Williams sisters show up.

I have to admit the only slam I thought Henin would ever win was the French and I never thought Henin would get to #1 , because I never thought the Williams would be out this long.

Henin is fragile, the girl seems sick or injured at every tournament.

tennisluver99
Feb 19th, 2004, 11:42 PM
Justine does well at Wimbledon, I think it's already been said, but she claims her game is suited for grass. And Henin is too fragile? who's been out for over six months?

Yes Henin does well at Wimbledon up until the semifinals (cause well let's face it the lower ranked players aren't exactly great).

Henin is fragile, tell me when was the last time Henin played a tournament without being injured or sick? Answer that!
Every tournament she played last year there seemed to be something wrong with her.

jenny161185
Feb 19th, 2004, 11:45 PM
kim winning a slam which I hope will happen for her - Wimbledon would be a nice start :)

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 20th, 2004, 12:32 AM
All of the top players are very good on all surfaces. yes they are better on some surfaces than on others but they are bad on none.

We will have a new roland garros champion this year and a new wimbledon champion and a new us open champion. Unless of course everyone is injured at the top except justine and then she will sweep all the slams.

I feel kims slam is coming at the french.

People say venus and serena are bad on clay: no its simpy not their best surface but anyone who makes it to the final of roland garros or wins it is not bad on clay.

The top players are all court specialists.

shap_half
Feb 20th, 2004, 02:11 AM
I honestly don't see Kim winning RG.

Rub
Feb 20th, 2004, 02:34 AM
kim will win Roland Garros... so the latter is likely to happen first!

i do not think the williams will be a big threat to kim than they were before!!! kim will be a big threat to them. :dance:

fOxYLiCiOuS
Feb 20th, 2004, 02:37 AM
I think Kim is close to winning a slam now, she is mentally there I believe. She got soo very close at this years Aus Open and now I think she really believes in herself after coming close again.

Justinefan
Feb 20th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Yes Henin does well at Wimbledon up until the semifinals (cause well let's face it the lower ranked players aren't exactly great).

Henin is fragile, tell me when was the last time Henin played a tournament without being injured or sick? Answer that!
Every tournament she played last year there seemed to be something wrong with her.
Well is something is wrong with her she does one hell of a job disguising it by winning :rolleyes:

bandabou
Feb 20th, 2004, 04:47 AM
I've got to disagree. I think that Venus is just the better sister on grass. IN 2002, I think the only reason Serena won over Venus was due to Serena's high having reached the #1 position after her win in the (is it QF or Semis?). In 2003, there was no doubt in my head that Venus was probably playing her best tennis since 2001. I think that put Serena and Venus out there completely fit, Venus will come out the victor on grass 3/4 times.

I think that Venus is the better player on grass than Serena too, but itīs more like winning 6 out of 10 times.

shap_half
Feb 20th, 2004, 04:57 AM
I think Kim is close to winning a slam now, she is mentally there I believe. She got soo very close at this years Aus Open and now I think she really believes in herself after coming close again.


the only reason she got close is because justine got tight and allowed kim back in the match. something i'm sure won't be happening again.

bandabou
Feb 20th, 2004, 04:59 AM
The thing with Kimmie is that save her movement and defense she doesnīt have no real weapon. Serve is shaky at best, forehand goes off whenever itīs a big-stage ocation, head is a mess, etc....where does that leave you?! Nowhere good!

Plus she doesnīt have the guts to hit-out on her shots, just waiting for errors of her opponents. Until she changes that and starts playing like the big-babe she is, that first major is gonna be faaaarrrrrrrr...

flyingmachine
Feb 20th, 2004, 07:50 AM
The williams sisters are the best on grass.. then followed by Justine.



I agree on the first part but not the second part. The Williams sister are the best on grass then followed by Ameile and then Justine.

However, I think Justine has a good chance of winning Winbledom, her first serve is improving a lot since the US open and she always has a good second serve however, in order to beat the Williams sister she needs to improve her volley and net play.
For Kim, I don't think she's good at grass. I think her best bet are US and AO.

fifiricci
Feb 20th, 2004, 08:59 AM
No doubt I will get a tirade of abuse following this, but I have a hunch that Kim could win RG this year. I think Juju is going to start feeling a new pressure now, that of defending a GS, whereas Kim still has absolutely nothing to lose at GS level, only something to win.

If the WS are back in the frame big time by RG obviously it will be more difficult for Kim to win, but I doubt either will be at the top of their game by then.

Juju #1
Feb 20th, 2004, 09:40 AM
No doubt I will get a tirade of abuse following this, but I have a hunch that Kim could win RG this year. I think Juju is going to start feeling a new pressure now, that of defending a GS, whereas Kim still has absolutely nothing to lose at GS level, only something to win.

If the WS are back in the frame big time by RG obviously it will be more difficult for Kim to win, but I doubt either will be at the top of their game by then.


Maybe it would be good for Kim to feel some pressure. I think that would help her to grow up. Justine is one year older, but she is much more mature than Kim. I hope Kim will find the way to play her best tennis when it matters the most.

caramel
Feb 20th, 2004, 09:44 AM
I really hope that Kim will win a Grand Slam this year because itīs already boring to see Justine taking all the Grand Slam titels and stuff like that. Plus in my opinion Kim would rather deserve winning a Grand Slam, I just find her a little more sympathic than Justine.
;)

drapero
Feb 20th, 2004, 10:09 AM
I think Kim's approach to a GS tournament is not good. I mean, she is flying in first few rounds like an express train. What's good in finishing those matches in 45 minutes ? She should use those matches to see what she needs to improve for 2nd week. I think her coach is a weak spot.

Greenout
Feb 20th, 2004, 10:12 AM
No doubt I will get a tirade of abuse following this, but I have a hunch that Kim could win RG this year. I think Juju is going to start feeling a new pressure now, that of defending a GS, whereas Kim still has absolutely nothing to lose at GS level, only something to win.

If the WS are back in the frame big time by RG obviously it will be more difficult for Kim to win, but I doubt either will be at the top of their game by then.

Justine is always under pressure. She puts herself in this mental
pressure tank. Under pressure in Sydney, under pressure in rd 3
in the AO 2004. That's the way she get's worked up about winning.
If there's no pressure like at the WTA Championships to win such
as in the case in the match with Ai Sugiyama or in the match to
make it into the finals against Kim in her match against Amelie
she lightens up and doesn't play to win under all costs. All the
pressure that people are talking about will only make her try
harder. Where there's a reason, there's a way. Antwerp? No
real reason...off she goes out of the event. She put's herself
under pressure to prove all the doubters wrong everytime she
steps up and play. Last year it was to show everyone that's she's
a winner, not a choker. This year it's to prove that she's really
a GS champ and world number 1 player. Pressure? It will only
encourage her.

Justine's already handled the pressure of winning a grand slam in
enemy territory. She's not afraid of defending. It's about desire.
Justine's desire to defend is greater than Kim's need to win in Paris.

I guess it's just me; but i think the slam Kimmy has the best shot
is at the US OPEN. She's not doing the Olympics, already has a great
US hardcourt record to her CV, and who really knows what form
Serena, JENN, LD or Amelie will be in. Justine's going to the
Olypmics and her mind will be focused on that more than peaking
and defending her title in NYC. I do think she'll be able to keep her
Canadian Open title, and take San Diego again.

Justine will win RG and defend her title. She'll probably make the
finals at WIMBLEDON; but not win it. The mental and physical effort
to defend RG will have taken the desire of actually winning WIMBLEDON
down a notch, despite it being a "career slam". Winning two slams
in short space of time is tough emotionally- and isn't this what it comes
down to in the finals. Emotional grit!

My pick for WIMBLEDON will have to be Venus, LD or a dark horse.
Kim's serve isn't great enough to win WIMBLEDON. Justine serves more
ace's than Kim nowadays.

So..yes and no. Justine wins RG again. Kim wins the US Open.
Venus, LD or dark horse wins WIMBLEDON.

:wavey:

minboy
Feb 20th, 2004, 10:47 AM
Plus in my opinion Kim would rather deserve winning a Grand Slam, I just find her a little more sympathic than Justine.
;):rolleyes: :rolleyes: I'm very sympathic myself, maybe i deserve to win a grand slam then:rolleyes: ( not to say that she didn't deserve it, but it is not because she's sympathic or whatever)

SJW
Feb 20th, 2004, 11:52 AM
So..yes and no. Justine wins RG again. Kim wins the US Open.
Venus, LD or dark horse wins WIMBLEDON.

:wavey:
oooooooooooooh i hope to god you're not a betting man

Lynx
Feb 20th, 2004, 01:13 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I'm very sympathic myself
You are??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Gosh, I'm glad you told us, I would never have guessed. :o :p


( not to say that she didn't deserve it, but it is not because she's sympathic or whatever)
:lol: True.

Last year, I heard a lot of people say Justine deserved to win RG, because she promised her now dead mother... :hehehe: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

drapero
Feb 20th, 2004, 02:31 PM
Last year, I heard a lot of people say Justine deserved to win RG, because she promised her now dead mother... :hehehe: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yes, but they said it after she won RG, not before...;)

tennisluver99
Feb 20th, 2004, 03:31 PM
Well is something is wrong with her she does one hell of a job disguising it by winning :rolleyes:

Yes she either disguises it well or she fakes it well.

You didn't answer my question, When was the last time Henin played a tournament without having something wrong with her?

Hots4Safin
Feb 20th, 2004, 10:41 PM
well I definitely think that at least THIS YEAR, kim has the better chance. There is no way either Williams sister is going to to lose wimbledon to JHH. So, maybe for Kim, RG or AO 05, who knows.