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SpikeyAidanm
Feb 13th, 2004, 08:34 AM
The system that operated in 2003.

There's no limit to the # of players in a team (country).
Points were awarded by the average points per country, eg: If Player A scores 43 points, Player B scores 32 points and Player C scores 53 points (all these players are the same country...), the country would end up with a total of 43+32+53 / 3 = 42.66... points... Similarly one person may be the only representative of his/her country, and may score 53 points, which will also be the team's score...
Rankings points were not awarded however it was an official result and good performing countries are taken into the "Country of the Year" Award consideration.
Number of picks: First Round - not trialed (16?), Quarters - 8, Semi - 5, Final - 3
You can also pick matches for the doubles, as the scoring points will be available
All players should post at least three supplementary PAW's (in case a player withdraws...), all possible supplementary PAW matches will have scoring points…
The tournaments works in a knock out format, only the top half of the total countries participating in the first round, are eligable for the quarters, and the top half of the quarters are into the semis etc...
Players had to commit to their country before each round (except final). note: this rule will be changed if Fed Cup occurs this year, any players can play Fed Cup as the country they represent in normal PAW, without commitment...
Players that did not participate in the first round let's say but their country is still in the semis were allowed to play since their country was still in.

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However there were some complaints of this system:

it's not fair for Ina that have 6 players because the probability late and invalid picks is bigger than others country.
Just sugest we can picks as usually and who is the winner represent his country.
Exp for semifinal 4 country qualified
1. Nir
2. Daniel rosario
3. Spikey
4. Nitsansh
5. Marco
Due to Nir and Nitsanh are Israel therefore Marco represent Italia qualified for final
It seems not fair for country that only represent 1 player but you have to believe in your pick, and not our mistakes if INA have alot player at this fed cup.

Just in case if one player not have time to picks, is he/she still included to devided the total points of the teams?
It's ridiculous .....

This is so stupid. both countrys with the most players didnt get to the final 4 :rolleyes:
If i was runing alone, Israel were in the final I think.
Indonesia have the top player in the ranking, and they are still out. :tape:

it's really hard to play at Fed Cup PAW... because we don't know for sure untill the last minute who's gonna play....
and also for the time difference between Indonesia and Moskwo , I couldn't stay at my computer........
too bad my double PAW were invalid.

and for sure... I am really disapointed about the rule.. next time we should fine the better one!! the rule is only good for less player .

Yeah Oren,
I can bring my country to the final so sad........
As I told before, the probability lost for big players bigger than 1 player only.
This stupid rule....I'm disapointed...

if we make to final... can I just withdrew...? I think better INA have less player....

Wow, I can't believe I actually made it through to the final with only 2 correct picks :)

Wow, I can't believe I actually made it through to the final with only 2 correct picks :)I can't believe it also

Fed Cup might not run next year, a review of the rules need to be addressed.

Supplementry

Any French over any American K.?

is dat to confusing?

Supplementry

Any French over any American K.?

is dat to confusing?They must be in order so I know which pick is first...

nitsansh, also had an idea of having a team captain who chooses a selection of picks or something like that...

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PLEASE Post your ideas and thoughts, shouldwe have it or not, and if yes, how can it be improved...

Cheers
Spikey :bigwave: :kiss:

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 13th, 2004, 08:43 AM
I am a big supporter of this comp, as long as it is run in a way which is fair for ALL countries...

I think the chance to team up as a country with ur fellow PAW player is something that rarely happens and with the Olympics this year, the patriotic feelings of all should be high ;)

oren987
Feb 13th, 2004, 08:45 AM
I think we must change the system

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 13th, 2004, 08:52 AM
Yes I agree, do you have any suggestions though? ... we want to ensure the system welcomes as many countries/players to play whilst being fair on their performance...

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 13th, 2004, 08:56 AM
Here's some evidence for you guys to see:

Final Semifinals Standing:

Nations standing: (top 4 go into the final)

Nation Pts Ply Avg
Nation Pts Ply Avg
1. Australia 68 2 34
2. India 29 1 29
3. Belgium 26 1 26
4. Italy 23 1 23
5. Indonesia 89 4 22.3
6. Israel 44 3 11.3
7. Spain 7 1 7

Players standing: (not counted...but interesting to note...bolded players make final)

Player Nat Pks W L Pts
1. mypapa_je INA 5 4 1 39
.. SpikeyAidanm AUS 5 3 2 39
3. azza AUS 4 3 1 29
.. danielrosario IND 5 4 1 29
5. speedster_ INA 5 3 2 28
6. Fieke BEL 5 2 3 26
7. marcobarella ITA 4 3 1 23
8. oren987 ISR 5 3 2 21
9. nitsansh ISR 5 2 3 15
.. sandg INA 5 2 3 15
11. Nir ISR 2 1 1 8
12. bbypk ESP 2 1 1 7
... ntohir INA 2 1 1 7

Captain.Canada
Feb 13th, 2004, 09:16 PM
I think a maximum of 4 players should be able to play for each country.
In WTA tournaments, the best players play, regardless of where they are from. But FED CUP, it's the top players of the country that may participate and I think it should be the same for PAW FED CUP.
Also, Canada should have a team ;)

Captain.Canada
Feb 13th, 2004, 09:17 PM
It isn't fair that a country be penalized for many players out of the top 4 that only bring them down in PAW.
However, it is fun for everyone to play but I think PAW FED CUP should be exclusive just like in the WTA.

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 14th, 2004, 04:21 AM
Best 4 players sounds nice, unfortunately that will rule out some countries like Albania, India, Mexico etc...

Is this the best way to do it? or is there an even better one.

Masharapova
Feb 14th, 2004, 04:55 AM
i think its a great idea. i probably wont be a huge asset to the team but anyway.

Buitenzorg
Feb 14th, 2004, 06:01 AM
I think The TOP 4 players on each country is better :)

Captain.Canada
Feb 14th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Having a MAXIMUM of 4 players per country won't rule out countries with only 1 or 2 players. They should still be able to play. It's only when a country has more than 4 players that you should have to exclude players.
Unless you would want to impose a minimum of players. For Example, a country must have at least 2 players. You don't have to impose this rule if you don't want to.
I think maybe you should because in the real FED CUP, ONE player cannot play all those matches and especially can't play doubles. So maybe we should impose a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4.

köj-è
Feb 15th, 2004, 09:14 AM
Fed Cup should go on..

the nations should send minimal 2 players and maximal 4 players.. to make it a little more fair..

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 15th, 2004, 09:17 AM
OK, that's the idea (max - 4, min - 2) we'll take into acount now, will be subject to change until the start of Indian Wells, when I'll post the team commitment thread.

The highest ranked player will be appointed captain and will be the one who decides the four players, if more than four commit per country.

skyewhite
Feb 15th, 2004, 10:53 AM
Edited.

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 15th, 2004, 10:58 AM
nice work cooldudeanzela again :rolleyes:

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 15th, 2004, 10:59 AM
Words coming out from ur mouth dont mean a word to me, I only listen to well-adapted, genuine human beings who are not born/raised as cheaters.

Somehow I feel sorry for you.

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 15th, 2004, 11:11 AM
skyewhite has been reported.

köj-è
Feb 15th, 2004, 11:26 AM
I think The TOP 4 players on each country is better :)
not the top 4 but 4 players who content to play or chosen by the others, not the captain. It could be talked in each nations thread..

andrew_uk
Feb 15th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Sky grow up and get over yourself ok

sPAWrty
Feb 15th, 2004, 10:03 PM
OK, that's the idea (max - 4, min - 2) we'll take into acount now, will be subject to change until the start of Indian Wells, when I'll post the team commitment thread.

The highest ranked player will be appointed captain and will be the one who decides the four players, if more than four commit per country.

IMHO, It should be championship race's ranking to consider in choosing 4 best players who made a commitment to FedCup for country. The minimum of 2 players could increase the number of multiple-account players in the game. The reason for multiple accounts is to qualify for FedCup. :(

Buitenzorg
Feb 16th, 2004, 05:52 AM
Spikey...how come you didn't ask me to get involved to The Australian FED Cup team :(

I really want to represent Australia :)

Captain.Canada
Feb 16th, 2004, 06:30 AM
Good Suggestions.
Not too sure about the top ranked player choosing who she or he wants on the team.
I think it should be the top 4 players who are willing to participate.
The idea of a captain is good though.

Sharapova's_Boy
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:07 AM
Fed Cup should definitly be apart of PAW. :D

Rtael
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:11 AM
Is there anyone else to represent Croatia? ;(

Masharapova
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:14 AM
ok if the maximum is going to be four then ill be the hitting up partner for the australian team.

HotSpot
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:18 AM
....the idea of 4 best players... I think is a good idea so far...

sandg
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:22 AM
I have suggestion,

The team minimum 2 players (In Real Fed Cup, with 2 players can play)
Team with 2 players, Team's points counted from average all players points
Team with 3-5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 1 worst pts
Team with more than 5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 2 worst pts

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:37 AM
Team with more than 5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 2 worst pts

This would mean if there were six in a team, four of the best results would still be counted :confused:

sandg
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:46 AM
This would mean if there were six in a team, four of the best results would still be counted :confused:

yes, right

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 16th, 2004, 07:52 AM
When you mean best four results, you mean the average of those four results?

sandg
Feb 16th, 2004, 08:22 AM
When you mean best four results, you mean the average of those four results?

Average of best four players result.

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 16th, 2004, 08:25 AM
Is there anyone else to represent Croatia? ;(

croat123 is a regular player and is likely to play this year :)

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 16th, 2004, 08:27 AM
The team minimum 2 players (In Real Fed Cup, with 2 players can play)
Team with 2 players, Team's points counted from average all players points
Team with 3-5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 1 worst pts
Team with more than 5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 2 worst pts

This is the current system that will operate, but is subject to change...

Captain.Canada
Feb 16th, 2004, 08:22 PM
I have suggestion,

The team minimum 2 players (In Real Fed Cup, with 2 players can play)
Team with 2 players, Team's points counted from average all players points
Team with 3-5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 1 worst pts
Team with more than 5 players, Team's points counted from average all players minus 2 worst pts

I think that gives an unfair advantage to larger teams being able to get rid of one of there worst scores.

And as we saw in the results of last year's FED CUP, too many players in one country can distort the final standings (i.e. Indonesia).

marcobarella
Feb 17th, 2004, 01:04 AM
I think that I will be the only player for Portugal
:wavey: ;) :lol:

j_dementieva27
Feb 17th, 2004, 01:10 AM
there definatly needs to be fed cup in PAW ... i would absolutely love to represent USA for PAW

the think the best way to do it is either the 4 best players, or the 8 best players of a given country

i think 5 is the safest bet though.... due to my new idea

but what about team captains ... i like that idea because then the highest ranked person in their country would be able to decide who has the most potential and ultiametely decide who the other 4 people are that join their team is, regardless of ranking

just an idea im throwing out there to take into consideration

j_dementieva27
Feb 17th, 2004, 01:19 AM
i also like the idea of team captains because it allows the PAW players to become involved in the picking process based on how well they think each player will do, based not only on ranking but potential... consistancy ... team chemistry, aomng other things

its just an idea for you spikey :wavey:

HotSpot
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Iam not sure about the idea of Team Captain...
does he/she have the right to choose who will be in the team ?....

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 17th, 2004, 10:43 AM
Iam not sure about the idea of Team Captain...
does he/she have the right to choose who will be in the team ?....

Yes like real team captains in Fed Cup, it's more about form than rankings, however the captain is the highest ranked committed player...

I just thinks it makes it more fun, and the captain might say whoever performs better this week out of _ and _ will get the 4th spot in the team, it just adds the spice into the comp IMO.

j_dementieva27
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:40 PM
yup.. so you like my idea spieky :wavey: ... thats cool

Captain.Canada
Feb 18th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Yes, team captain does make sense.
Let me warn you though, there will be some controversy and bitterness toward the captain on the decisions he/she makes.
Especially if he/she chooses someone that is outside the top 4 in the country rankings.

HotSpot
Feb 18th, 2004, 01:59 AM
Yes like real team captains in Fed Cup, it's more about form than rankings, however the captain is the highest ranked committed player...

I just thinks it makes it more fun, and the captain might say whoever performs better this week out of _ and _ will get the 4th spot in the team, it just adds the spice into the comp IMO.well... I am still not agree about that... it will be "LIKE and DISLIKE"....
some of them maybe know each other in 'real life'.... and the captain will choose him/her because they know each other.....

........ it's not fair for those players who in the top 4 in the country ranking but not be chosen by Captain .... because The CAPTAIN just don't know/like him/her.

Captain.Canada
Feb 22nd, 2004, 01:13 AM
So when does FED CUP start anyway??

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 22nd, 2004, 02:22 AM
FED Cup starts when the WTA Fed Cup R1 starts.

Captain.Canada
Feb 24th, 2004, 05:54 AM
Ya, I figured that much, I was looking for a date which is the week of Apr. 19 if anyone else was wondering...