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What do you guys make of Mary's "Tactics"

Just wondering what Peirce fans feel when they watch Pierce trying to disturb matches with her typical "slowdown techniques". Why does she fix her hair, blow her fingers, rub her face, brush the ground with her feet, take so many deep breathes, wipe her forehead, pause, arrange her towels on her chair, etc all before her serve?

I have to say though, in the US Open it was now where near as bad as at Roland Garros- where im sure she was routinely taking 30 seconds between points.

I know shes not the most popular player on the tour with the other girls, but apart from her various "gamesmanships" she seems alot nicer off the court- so why does she try to wind players up?

Is this part of the reason you love Mary so much?, or do you not really take much notice of it?

Please, im not looking for an argument here, I am just interested to know what her fans feel, as its something alot of people feel about Mary Pierce.
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I'm fine with what Mary does on court. She's been doing it for years and I dont see why she should change her routine.

It's also part of the reason why i love Mary but it would only be 10% of the reason i love Mary.


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Hi, that's just Mary's habbit from very early in every detail thing, When in 93' the time she have some little famous and the TV show her games, Mary always like touching her necklace, hair and sth other. She is just a very careful sensetive women with anything. I think you notice she even arrange her towel on chair when go to break, that show she is kind of people very neat on every small thing. Just everyone's life way,and that's one aspect why I like her.(I usually very rush and careless for many things, spell wrong, forget the cell phone left home) So sometimes I will take my time do some important things especial on work. Look some doctors, escpeially the surgeron which all very careful and decent about everything, the neils, the collar of their clothings. A decent one always be respect by others,and a decent one always in every details.

Mary is the most graceful and charming tennis player of the universal, and anyone who love Mary or understand Mary is also a kind gentle one!
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I don´t think it is a tactic , because she doesn´t do that kind of things in order to disturb the player but only to stay focus... I know that it is sometimes too much and she also certainly knows but she just can´t stop it !!! And I love Mary with her poneytail things and always finding something to adjust in her clothes...She is like that, It is her Diva side and I like that so much !!!!
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I never felt any reason to dislike Mary whatsoever, in fact I thought rather highly of her. When I watched her against Dementieva at the USO however, I was really glad my wife wasn't present, because I was calling Mary some things my wife doesn't like to hear and frankly, I wouldn't want anybody to hear me saying. Mary is a good enough player without the stall tactics. I wish she would just play and let her playing speak for itself. People wouldn't be talking about all this other stuff then.
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You better find other sources, Mary is one of the most popular player on tour LOL

Sportmanship !!! you know that only people on this board are talking about Mary's habit as a "tactic"

About US Open "12 minutes thread" even journalists are making fun of Elena's reaction, and you know why, it's because Mary had the right to do it and in fact the WTA physio told Mary to take this timeout.

Mary has habit like Henin, Nadal, or Federer when he's upset....each player has some habit but sometimes you don't pay attention or don't see it, did you know Martina didn't want to walk on the line when she finished a game, see what I mean

Mary LOL you can tell when she is under pressure, ponytail, ball (more and more time)... Elena well more and more doublefaults, it's different but it's habit too

Like I said somewhere on this board, it would be awfull to see all the player with same reactions, habits or whatever you call that!

Mary is one of the best player of the open area, I say it, journalists say it, professionnals say it, so forget about this "tactic"


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You obviously didn't hear what the T.V. commentators, all former players, were saying about Mary's stunt during the match. They thought it was outrageous. The shame of it is, Mary went on to kick Elena's butt, but everyone will always wonder if she could have done it without the tricks.
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I really don't understand what all of the controversy is about... Mary took the time-out because she had two different issues to deal with, the match officials allowed her to take a time-out for each one and they allowed her to take them back-to-back. It's really that simple. This was no attempt to stall the match -- that was just an unfortunate side-effect... and as Mary pointed out in the post-match press conference, she, too, had to wait during the time-out, she wasn't able to practice her serve, or move around the court like Elena was able to.

I don't see why Mary's sportsmanship is being questioned here. What was she supposed to do? Jeopradize her chances by not seeking treatment for her injuries? Is that what any player in his/her right mind would do? I don't think so.
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I suppose nobody but Mary knows what was really going on with her. The controversy didn't start with Mary either, it's been a simmering issue, players abusing the injury time-out to stop their opponent's momentum in a match. I think we've all seen it done and it seems to work a lot of the time. Whether it's true or not, the incident at the USO has been perceived by many to be the latest and most blatant example. Mary exhibited absolutely no sign of being injured either before or after the time-out. Contrast that against Agassi at the FO this year, when he could hardly walk because he was so badly injured, and you can understand how some players feel about Mary's injury time-outs. He finished the match and didn't take a time-out at all. To be truthful, I hope Mary really was injured. I certainly don't know whether she was or not.
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I suppose nobody but Mary knows what was really going on with her. The controversy didn't start with Mary either, it's been a simmering issue, players abusing the injury time-out to stop their opponent's momentum in a match. I think we've all seen it done and it seems to work a lot of the time. Whether it's true or not, the incident at the USO has been perceived by many to be the latest and most blatant example. Mary exhibited absolutely no sign of being injured either before or after the time-out. Contrast that against Agassi at the FO this year, when he could hardly walk because he was so badly injured, and you can understand how some players feel about Mary's injury time-outs. He finished the match and didn't take a time-out at all. To be truthful, I hope Mary really was injured. I certainly don't know whether she was or not.
just because Mary didn't show any sign??? !!!

so this mean all the french staff is lying.
Everyday during press conference journalists are asking to Mary or the coach, Amelie, Tati, Virginie, Nathalie, if Mary's thigh if fine, they are all lying, the physio, the doctor.

come on wake up!!!
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Mary exhibited absolutely no sign of being injured either before or after the time-out
I beg to differ, Mary was clearly injured before the time-out... she just didn't want Elena to know she was injured so she chose not to tape her leg before the match, but unfortunately the strategy backfired and her injury started hampering her ability to serve and move properly... getting treatment on her back and having her leg taped was just the reasonable thing to do, why take any chances not only with the match but with the rest of her season? Mary is no stranger to injuries and she knows how careful she has to be to avoid sustaining any serious ones.
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Hey, I seriously hope you're right and I know I've said enough on the subject. Sorry for the sarcasm. You're a Mary Pierce fan. I have a favorite player of my own (not Dementievia btw) and I would probably defend her regardless of what anyone else was saying. I understand loyalty and I aplaud it. Sorry to say, you're probably going to hear a lot more on the subject and maybe even see a rule change as a result. Again, it isn't just a Mary Pierce issue. To be truthful, the media incites a lot of the controversy. They baited Dementieva with question after question and then quoted what they chose. If you read the whole interview, Elena clearly says the incident didn't affect the outcome of the match. You don't read that quote anywhere. Anyway, enjoy Mary's success and keep slugging away for her.
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I suppose nobody but Mary knows what was really going on with her. The controversy didn't start with Mary either, it's been a simmering issue, players abusing the injury time-out to stop their opponent's momentum in a match. I think we've all seen it done and it seems to work a lot of the time. Whether it's true or not, the incident at the USO has been perceived by many to be the latest and most blatant example. Mary exhibited absolutely no sign of being injured either before or after the time-out. Contrast that against Agassi at the FO this year, when he could hardly walk because he was so badly injured, and you can understand how some players feel about Mary's injury time-outs. He finished the match and didn't take a time-out at all. To be truthful, I hope Mary really was injured. I certainly don't know whether she was or not.
Actually Mary had shown signs of her injuries prior to the famous double Time Out. She did withdraw from two tournaments (Toronto and LA) due to her thigh strain and if you see that match again, she was stretchign her back during points and even before serve in the first set.

As for her 'tactics', I find it so funny that noone said a word about it prior to her winning but now that she is winning all of a sudden it's an issue? Why wasn't this a topic of discussion before? Honestly I think Mary is too talented and too gracious and too mature to have to resort to "tactics". I honestly think these are mere habits that help Mary relax on the court, and I quite enjoy watching her do it.

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Actually Mary had shown signs of her injuries prior to the famous double Time Out. She did withdraw from two tournaments (Toronto and LA) due to her thigh strain and if you see that match again, she was stretchign her back during points and even before serve in the first set.

As for her 'tactics', I find it so funny that noone said a word about it prior to her winning but now that she is winning all of a sudden it's an issue? Why wasn't this a topic of discussion before? Honestly I think Mary is too talented and too gracious and too mature to have to resort to "tactics". I honestly think these are mere habits that help Mary relax on the court, and I quite enjoy watching her do it.

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Not sure how many times we have to keep on making the same point, but make it we will! Interesting to read Dementieva's comments today....she said "It's an old story now and we should stop talking about it. She beat me that day because she was the best player, full stop."
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Hey, I seriously hope you're right and I know I've said enough on the subject. Sorry for the sarcasm. You're a Mary Pierce fan. I have a favorite player of my own (not Dementievia btw) and I would probably defend her regardless of what anyone else was saying. I understand loyalty and I aplaud it. Sorry to say, you're probably going to hear a lot more on the subject and maybe even see a rule change as a result. Again, it isn't just a Mary Pierce issue. To be truthful, the media incites a lot of the controversy. They baited Dementieva with question after question and then quoted what they chose. If you read the whole interview, Elena clearly says the incident didn't affect the outcome of the match. You don't read that quote anywhere. Anyway, enjoy Mary's success and keep slugging away for her.
Thank you, I appreciate that; though I certainly hope I don't hear a lot more on this subject, why people would continue to discuss this matter is entirely beyond me... it's such a non-issue. I genuinely believe Mary was injured; she's come a long way and she's worked very hard to achieve the results she's enjoyed in the last few months -- end of story.

In any case, I really do appreciate what you've said and your apology.

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Mary is too talented and too gracious and too mature to have to resort to "tactics".
I wholeheartedly agree!

She's way above trying to pull anything like this off...
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