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jelenas world documentary

hey guys,

did anyone of you see that documentary about her life?
well i saw it some days ago, although i didn't understand when they talk serbish i really like it
what's your opinion about that documentary? was something missing? what did you especially like?
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I appreciate it too even if I didnt understand what they was saying
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Yeah, I watched it before. (not on youtube)
It's really nice documentary about Jelena, even I don't understand Serbian langauge.

Especially when JJ and Sneki talked about JJ went to USA learn tennis without family...it's really touching, and the other scene I most liked, should be JJ sitting on the boat, hopefully your guys will understand what I'm talking about,haha...sorry for my poor english

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dont worry, your english isnt that bad like you think

didnt know that the documentary is on youtube?
well my favorite scene .. i dont know .. liked it when she was training, though it didnt seem so tough you could see how much work you have to put into this for getting so good as she is
many people just see tournaments and the finals and think: how can they win such much money for just some matches where they play tennis? but what they dont see is all the work behind that.

also it seems that jj isnt liked by other tennis players or am i only imagin that?
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dont worry, your english isnt that bad like you think

didnt know that the documentary is on youtube?
well my favorite scene .. i dont know .. liked it when she was training, though it didnt seem so tough you could see how much work you have to put into this for getting so good as she is
many people just see tournaments and the finals and think: how can they win such much money for just some matches where they play tennis? but what they dont see is all the work behind that.

also it seems that jj isnt liked by other tennis players or am i only imagin that?
Yes, it already uploaded on youtube by someone, here you're, enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...ki&view=videos

Yup, she trained so hard in off-season, wish her all the best in 2009!
I just knew that Li Na (Chinese tennis player) is JJ's friend, I also want to know that is there any tennis players are friends with JJ (I forgot ask her this question when I talked with her in airport)

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I liked the movie but at times it was too slow and a bit dull. I especially liked the funny scenes like when JJ told Svetlana that she looked sexy or when she was asking for more food saying that she's not on diet. Also the scenes at the end when she's goofing around and laughing at herself...I wish there were more scenes like that.

Practice session with Justine is a classic, as well.
Rumour has it that it was the only time JJ was able to beat Justine as they had a competitive practice.

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also it seems that jj isnt liked by other tennis players or am i only imagin that?
What in this movie made you think that?

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I liked the movie but at times it was too slow and a bit dull. I especially liked the funny scenes like when JJ told Svetlana that she looked sexy or when she was asking for more food saying that she's not on diet. Also the scenes at the end when she's goofing around and laughing at herself...I wish there were more scenes like that.

Practice session with Justine is a classic, as well.
Rumour has it that it was the only time JJ was able to beat Justine as they had a competitive practice.



What in this movie made you think that?
Yes, it's make me laughing too!
At the end she had a short dancing, after that, she laughing at herself and said "Why are you laughing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlynxU4_VU

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I watched this documentary last year. There were two points I wanted to discuss but not until someone translated it in English so forum members could join in the discussion.

The first point I will not discuss since Jelena didnít go into detail, therefore, I will wait until her next documentary.

The second point was Larry Scott doing as much as he could to protect Jelena from playing tennis in the RPM red zone, ie: going from tournament to tournament with no rest, by changing and solidifying the tournament calendar. When investors or countries see one player is able to push the limits of tournament entries then they could expect their player to do the same. Perhaps some players experienced that pressure already. The best word to describe this is ďpaceď. Jelena increased the pace of tournament entries per year. This is equivalent to a factory quota pieceworker increasing the pace of production for increased pay. It is proven that other factory workers would be upset with the employee for over doing the pace because the new minimum quota for production before getting paid extra for piecework could be changed.
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well for example at the dinner, where she told svetlana that she looked sexy (too funny those scene at the dinner) and after that svetlana just left or when she said whats up to justine (also at the dinner) seemed to me like they all didnt really wanted to talk to her but maybe im just imagine that

alex (or someone else who understands serbish) can you tell me what she talks about in minute 32 - 37 & 55 - 59?
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Yes, it's make me laughing too!
At the end she had a short dancing, after that, she laughing at herself and said "Why are you laughing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlynxU4_VU
Yeah, that's my favourite scene. I uploaded it on youtube.

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The second point was Larry Scott doing as much as he could to protect Jelena from playing tennis in the RPM red zone, ie: going from tournament to tournament with no rest, by changing and solidifying the tournament calendar. When investors or countries see one player is able to push the limits of tournament entries then they could expect their player to do the same. Perhaps some players experienced that pressure already. The best word to describe this is ďpaceď. Jelena increased the pace of tournament entries per year. This is equivalent to a factory quota pieceworker increasing the pace of production for increased pay. It is proven that other factory workers would be upset with the employee for over doing the pace because the new minimum quota for production before getting paid extra for piecework could be changed.
That was very interesting. To me it also looked like Larry was trying to convince JJ to play less. But I don't think there's a special reason he did that 'cos every player chooses their schedule according to their needs. If JJ is playing less now it's certainly not because someone like Larry told her to do so, but because she feels that that's the right way to go about her career in the future - to concentrate on the bigger tourneys and bigger prizes. And there was always an expectation from top players to play certain amount of tournaments per year - that's why the ranking system is the way it is.

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well for example at the dinner, where she told svetlana that she looked sexy (too funny those scene at the dinner) and after that svetlana just left or when she said whats up to justine (also at the dinner) seemed to me like they all didnt really wanted to talk to her but maybe im just imagine that
Svetlana did seem a bit annoyed but she did respond to JJ by saying "Not as sexy as you", so it's not like she just walked away and ignored her. Maybe they didn't want to be filmed while they were having dinner? Dementieva was very complimentary of JJ's game and personality.
Also, Li Na and Bethanie Mattek are friends with Jelena and Serena once said she's friendly with JJ (and Kuzy). But I'm sure there are some players who don't like Jelena at all.

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alex (or someone else who understands serbish) can you tell me what she talks about in minute 32 - 37 & 55 - 59?
32-37:
She was very nervous during the match, was making a lot of errors in the beginning and fell 1-4 behind. She was able to come back in the first set and played much better in the second set to win it easily 6-0. She was mad with herself during the first set because she trained very hard, was hitting well in practice, and then when she stepped on the court it looked like she wasn't practicing at all. She's not afraid when she's down because she knows she can win...She won some matches even when she was trailing 5-1 and saving match points in the process. She's concentrating on each point and she's not panicking about losing the set or whatever... She's just focusing on her game and on what she has to do tactically in order to win.

55-59:
She's talking about the hard time she had few years ago when she wanted to quit tennis after 9 consecutive first round losses. She practically lost her will to fight. In her mind she was beaten and she thought there was no way out - that it's all over and that tennis is not for her anymore. Her mom was trying to convince her not to give up, that she has to believe in herself, that if she doesn't have the belief in herself then others will not believe in her either. "I have to be strong, I have to be positive and not give up. In my first match in Rome I was leading by one set, 5-2 and 40-15 and I looked at my mom and the scoreboard and couldn't believe my eyes. I didn't have that kind of result since I can't remember when". Those few month seemed like 100 years to her because it's usually like that in the bad times. When she won that one match she felt like she won a GS title. It was the biggest win of her career because it made her continue with her tennis and become better player. There are many athletes that never get out of their professional crisis. It's the same in life - there are good times and bad times. Those are the situations in which you have to stay strong and come out as a victor. She was able to do that and become stronger. It got her into the position where she's now one of the best players on the tour.

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Yeah, that's my favourite scene. I uploaded it on youtube.



That was very interesting. To me it also looked like Larry was trying to convince JJ to play less. But I don't think there's a special reason he did that 'cos every player chooses their schedule according to their needs. If JJ is playing less now it's certainly not because someone like Larry told her to do so, but because she feels that that's the right way to go about her career in the future - to concentrate on the bigger tourneys and bigger prizes. And there was always an expectation from top players to play certain amount of tournaments per year - that's why the ranking system is the way it is.



Svetlana did seem a bit annoyed but she did respond to JJ by saying "Not as sexy as you", so it's not like she just walked away and ignored her. Maybe they didn't want to be filmed while they were having dinner? Dementieva was very complimentary of JJ's game and personality.
Also, Li Na and Bethanie Mattek are friends with Jelena and Serena once said she's friendly with JJ (and Kuzy). But I'm sure there are some players who don't like Jelena at all.



32-37:
She was very nervous during the match, was making a lot of errors in the beginning and fell 1-4 behind. She was able to come back in the first set and played much better in the second set to win it easily 6-0. She was mad with herself during the first set because she trained very hard, was hitting well in practice, and then when she stepped on the court it looked like she wasn't practicing at all. She's not afraid when she's down because she knows she can win...She won some matches even when she was trailing 5-1 and saving match points in the process. She's concentrating on each point and she's not panicking about losing the set or whatever... She's just focusing on her game and on what she has to do tactically in order to win.

55-59:
She's talking about the hard time she had few years ago when she wanted to quit tennis after 9 consecutive first round losses. She practically lost her will to fight. In her mind she was beaten and she thought there was no way out - that it's all over and that tennis is not for her anymore. Her mom was trying to convince her not to give up, that she has to believe in herself, that if she doesn't have the belief in herself then others will not believe in her either. "I have to be strong, I have to be positive and not give up. In my first match in Rome I was leading by one set, 5-2 and 40-15 and I looked at my mom and the scoreboard and couldn't believe my eyes. I didn't have that kind of result since I can't remember when". Those few month seemed like 100 years to her because it's usually like that in the bad times. When she won that one match she felt like she won a GS title. It was the biggest win of her career because it made her continue with her tennis and become better player. There are many athletes that never get out of their professional crisis. It's the same in life - there are good times and bad times. Those are the situations in which you have to stay strong and come out as a victor. She was able to do that and become stronger. It got her into the position where she's now one of the best players on the tour.
I had no idea of she is friend with Mattek I remembered that Serena hate to play against JJ,becoz she felt JJ just like a wall

This documentary is really great, hopefully it will release dvd later

P.S That's mean it's was uploaded by you? Oh, thank you so much!!!

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Sneki

And, in the acting class, I really think she believed for a second that she is pregnant
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big thanks to you for translating alex!!!!
nice to know what she things about on the court ...

well the scene with larry seemed to me that he wanted to have her support about the schedule. i dont think he wanted her to convince to play less matches but for sure he wanted to have the support, could see it in his attitude towards her. in contrast to other tennisplayers she played many tournaments and the results just show the constance of her play. why do you think some players could have a problem with that? to be professional you have to have not a good stamina, you need an excellent stamina and a constance of good games.

ah nice to know about dementieva what she said, hopefully there will be english subtitles someday.
do you know what she says on court when she makes a mistake? sometimes you can hear something in english but most of the time its serbish


what does she say in 35? isnt that something about her training?

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well the scene with larry seemed to me that he wanted to have her support about the schedule. i dont think he wanted her to convince to play less matches but for sure he wanted to have the support, could see it in his attitude towards her. in contrast to other tennisplayers she played many tournaments and the results just show the constance of her play. why do you think some players could have a problem with that? to be professional you have to have not a good stamina, you need an excellent stamina and a constance of good games.
He definitely wanted her support for the new calendar. Although, he did also say that the goal is to make it easier for the players, but that players are the ones responsible for their schedules. He basically said there's nothing they can do to prevent her from playing every week, she has to make that decision herself.

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do you know what she says on court when she makes a mistake? sometimes you can hear something in english but most of the time its serbish
I like the word serbish, but the right way is Serbian.
I dunno what she's saying in this movie but usually she's talking just about everything. I remember there were reports on Serbian blogs that during that tournament in Berlin, JJ was pissed about her game and complained about one guy sitting in her box. Her brother invited him to sit there and in the middle of the match JJ was angry because she was playing crap and screamed that she can't focus because that guy is sitting there. The guy left, but in his blog he was pissed about it and said she wasn't a nice person.

Usually she's talking about the technical stuff like "Don't fall on your back, Jelena" or sth like that... Or she screams "Don't do that, Jelena" when she's making errors...Sometimes when she's injured she says "I can't (play anymore)!" although usually she can and just keeps on playing.

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He definitely wanted her support for the new calendar. Although, he did also say that the goal is to make it easier for the players, but that players are the ones responsible for their schedules. He basically said there's nothing they can do to prevent her from playing every week, she has to make that decision herself.



I like the word serbish, but the right way is Serbian.
I dunno what she's saying in this movie but usually she's talking just about everything. I remember there were reports on Serbian blogs that during that tournament in Berlin, JJ was pissed about her game and complained about one guy sitting in her box. Her brother invited him to sit there and in the middle of the match JJ was angry because she was playing crap and screamed that she can't focus because that guy is sitting there. The guy left, but in his blog he was pissed about it and said she wasn't a nice person.

Usually she's talking about the technical stuff like "Don't fall on your back, Jelena" or sth like that... Or she screams "Don't do that, Jelena" when she's making errors...Sometimes when she's injured she says "I can't (play anymore)!" although usually she can and just keeps on playing.
When she get points, sometimes she will said "AJDE"
I love it

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