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Question Cut off for PAW commitment!

HI guys

I would like to rise the issue about Cut off the commitment

As The Game based on WTA Tour, maybe we can also follow their rule

For me seems a little bit hard for everyone to compete IF so many ppl in one event (Like This week 50+ Doha & 50+ Acapulco)

For ppl who doesn't make the cut or they even don't commit can't play the Main Draw, and they can play for the Qualifying Round, The TOP 10 PAW players on each Qualy Round will get their place into The Main Draw.

For me, it's a little bit UNFAIR If someone suddenly ask for play/WC without commit themself, it would ruin someone chances to play.

Please, we have to discuss this!

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For ppl who doesn't make the cut or they even don't commit can't play the Main Draw, and they can play for the Qualifying Round, The TOP 10 PAW players on each Qualy Round will get their place into The Main Draw.
Well "PAW Qualifying" is actually a separate game, so if we were to introduce a qualifying PAW, it would be a confusing fiasco.
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agree..

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.. at both.. confused..

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maybe make a limit of played Tournaments per year
this would mean the top players would play more the tier 1 and tier 2 events.
and the lower tier events are for the lower ranked players, like on real tour.

maybe
13 tournaments per year, + 4 Grand Slams = 17 tournaments

this would mean, the players have to make her schedule more carefull, because a bad result will count for sure.
and to make a smart Schedule would bring a new dimension into the game.

just a idea

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sure, it will be hard to start with the limit of tournaments in the middle of the season.
but maybe you can find a way

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maybe there is a chance to combinate cut-off with limit off tournaments
but without qualifiyng

make a limit for players per tournament (maybe 50 @ Tier 2 like Doha this week)
and then look at the entries and just the top50 entered players can play.
the other have to play the lower event in this week, or have to wait til the next week.

players need to add a 1st choice and 2nd choice behind her commitments in the commitment thread. like on real WTA-Tour too.

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17 tournaments per year is absurd... ppl will forget when to play...

I think the current way of running the game is ok...

Maybe when we have 32 players draw, no more than 64 should play PAW
64 players draw --> 128 PAW players
Grand Slams --> all PAW players

that means that the lower ranked players will have to wait for a bigger tournament and perform well in order to gain better ranking...


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i think the main question is

has the guy/girl who make the point-table and the scores, problems with more then 50 players or even more then 75 players in a PAW Tier 2 tournament ?

if not, then it could stay like it is, because it is no problem if just the top32 or top64 get points. because noone can expect to get points for a poor performence.

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I'm agree with current way
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post #11 of 44 (permalink) Old Mar 5th, 2004, 09:34 AM Thread Starter
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The PAW Qualy I meant is not the same like the other PAW Qualifying

What I mean was :

* Cut off the commitment

Example :
Grand Slams -----> All players can participate
Tier I (with 128 / 64 Draw)----> All Players can participate
Tier I (with 32 Draw)----> 32 MD the rest can be at QD
Tier II (with 64 Draw)----> 64 MD the rest can be at QD
Tier II (with 32 Draw)-----> 32 MD 32 QD
and so on.....

Note:
QD (Qualy Draw) it's NOT the Qualifying Round at WTA real events, THEY STILL Pick the matches from the real MD, ONLY points proportion is different ... so basically it's just like different grouping, REMEMBER they still competing/Pick Main Draw matches!

Example:
Tier I (32 Draw)
TOP 32 PAW players who commit before the deadline will automatically at MD
Rank below 32, can be play as the QD

GROUP I - Main Draw players (Rank 1-32) will still use:
Ranking Points for Doha

1st --- 195
2nd --- 137
3rd --- 101
4th ---- 80

5th ---- 65
6th ---- 57
7th ---- 49

GROUP II - QD (Player Rank below 32)

1th-------120
2nd-------90
3rd--------75
4th--------55
5th--------40
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This has been discussed at the end of last year, and the result was to leave it like it is now...
If we were to change it, I think everybody should be able to play when they want to, so restricting the number of players of every tournament is not a good idea.
Maybe we can limit the number of players in the biggest tournament of the week. Lower ranked players will have to play smaller tournaments, but can still play every week. Players who commit to the biggest tournament, should all post second choice tournaments, so when they don't make the cut, they will be automaticly entered in the second tournament of their choice.

Another thing is that there should be a penalty for commiting and not making a single pick. If someone does that, he/she takes a spot from someone else who really wanted to play, but couldn't because of his/her poor ranking. I propose that when you commit, but don't play, you will be considerd as NR for the following tournament you commited (and so face a big possibility of not been able to participate). This is off course only for the tournaments where the number of players is restricted.

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* My suggestion also Help lower rank player who really need to catch up or perform even better than TOP players

* Because of the grouping and points system above (post #11) so lower rank player can gain pts as well

* Also, I don't really like people playing without commit themself and suddenly ask for a WC if they feel like want to play
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Maybe we can limit the number of players in the biggest tournament of the week. Lower ranked players will have to play smaller tournaments, but can still play every week. Players who commit to the biggest tournament, should all post second choice tournaments, so when they don't make the cut, they will be automaticly entered in the second tournament of their choice.
I agree, that's the best idea...


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Guys...

I didn't meant that all lower rank players can NOT play PAW, what I meant is just a grouping system which is help them to rise from the bottom of the ladder...to make this game more competitive.
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