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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old Feb 13th, 2004, 07:34 AM Thread Starter
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Question 2004 PAW Fed Cup - Yes or No? ... FEEDBACK NEEDED IN HERE =)

The system that operated in 2003.
  • There's no limit to the # of players in a team (country).
  • Points were awarded by the average points per country, eg: If Player A scores 43 points, Player B scores 32 points and Player C scores 53 points (all these players are the same country...), the country would end up with a total of 43+32+53 / 3 = 42.66... points... Similarly one person may be the only representative of his/her country, and may score 53 points, which will also be the team's score...
  • Rankings points were not awarded however it was an official result and good performing countries are taken into the "Country of the Year" Award consideration.
  • Number of picks: First Round - not trialed (16?), Quarters - 8, Semi - 5, Final - 3
  • You can also pick matches for the doubles, as the scoring points will be available
  • All players should post at least three supplementary PAW's (in case a player withdraws...), all possible supplementary PAW matches will have scoring points…
  • The tournaments works in a knock out format, only the top half of the total countries participating in the first round, are eligable for the quarters, and the top half of the quarters are into the semis etc...
  • Players had to commit to their country before each round (except final). note: this rule will be changed if Fed Cup occurs this year, any players can play Fed Cup as the country they represent in normal PAW, without commitment...
  • Players that did not participate in the first round let's say but their country is still in the semis were allowed to play since their country was still in.




However there were some complaints of this system:

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Originally Posted by mypapa_je
it's not fair for Ina that have 6 players because the probability late and invalid picks is bigger than others country.
Just sugest we can picks as usually and who is the winner represent his country.
Exp for semifinal 4 country qualified
1. Nir
2. Daniel rosario
3. Spikey
4. Nitsansh
5. Marco
Due to Nir and Nitsanh are Israel therefore Marco represent Italia qualified for final
It seems not fair for country that only represent 1 player but you have to believe in your pick, and not our mistakes if INA have alot player at this fed cup.
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Originally Posted by mypapa_je
Just in case if one player not have time to picks, is he/she still included to devided the total points of the teams?
It's ridiculous .....
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Originally Posted by oren987
This is so stupid. both countrys with the most players didnt get to the final 4
If i was runing alone, Israel were in the final I think.
Indonesia have the top player in the ranking, and they are still out.
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Originally Posted by ntohir
it's really hard to play at Fed Cup PAW... because we don't know for sure untill the last minute who's gonna play....
and also for the time difference between Indonesia and Moskwo , I couldn't stay at my computer........
too bad my double PAW were invalid.

and for sure... I am really disapointed about the rule.. next time we should fine the better one!! the rule is only good for less player .
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Originally Posted by mypapa_je
Yeah Oren,
I can bring my country to the final so sad........
As I told before, the probability lost for big players bigger than 1 player only.
This stupid rule....I'm disapointed...
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Originally Posted by ntohir
if we make to final... can I just withdrew...? I think better INA have less player....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fieke
Wow, I can't believe I actually made it through to the final with only 2 correct picks
Quote:
Originally Posted by oren987
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Originally Posted by Fieke
Wow, I can't believe I actually made it through to the final with only 2 correct picks
I can't believe it also
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Originally Posted by SpikeyAidanm
Fed Cup might not run next year, a review of the rules need to be addressed.
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Originally Posted by azza
Supplementry

Any French over any American K.?

is dat to confusing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nitsansh
Quote:
Originally Posted by azza
Supplementry

Any French over any American K.?

is dat to confusing?
They must be in order so I know which pick is first...
nitsansh, also had an idea of having a team captain who chooses a selection of picks or something like that...




PLEASE Post your ideas and thoughts, shouldwe have it or not, and if yes, how can it be improved...

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I am a big supporter of this comp, as long as it is run in a way which is fair for ALL countries...

I think the chance to team up as a country with ur fellow PAW player is something that rarely happens and with the Olympics this year, the patriotic feelings of all should be high
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I think we must change the system

2013 Here we go

good luck to all the Israeli girls

Shahar, Its time to have a good year
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Yes I agree, do you have any suggestions though? ... we want to ensure the system welcomes as many countries/players to play whilst being fair on their performance...
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Here's some evidence for you guys to see:

Final Semifinals Standing:

Nations standing: (top 4 go into the final)

Code:
Nation Pts Ply Avg
Nation			Pts Ply Avg
1. Australia		68   2  34
2. India		29   1  29
3. Belgium		26   1  26
4. Italy		23   1  23
5. Indonesia		89   4  22.3
6. Israel		44   3  11.3
7. Spain		 7   1   7
Players standing: (not counted...but interesting to note...bolded players make final)

Code:
Player		    	Nat  Pks W   L  Pts
1. mypapa_je		INA  5   4   1  39
.. SpikeyAidanm		AUS  5   3   2  39
3. azza			AUS  4   3   1  29
.. danielrosario	IND  5   4   1  29
5. speedster_		INA  5   3   2  28
6. Fieke		BEL  5   2   3  26
7. marcobarella		ITA  4   3   1  23
8. oren987		ISR  5   3   2  21
9. nitsansh		ISR  5   2   3  15
.. sandg		INA  5   2   3  15
11. Nir			ISR  2   1   1   8
12. bbypk		ESP  2   1   1   7
... ntohir		INA  2   1   1   7
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I think a maximum of 4 players should be able to play for each country.
In WTA tournaments, the best players play, regardless of where they are from. But FED CUP, it's the top players of the country that may participate and I think it should be the same for PAW FED CUP.
Also, Canada should have a team
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It isn't fair that a country be penalized for many players out of the top 4 that only bring them down in PAW.
However, it is fun for everyone to play but I think PAW FED CUP should be exclusive just like in the WTA.
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Best 4 players sounds nice, unfortunately that will rule out some countries like Albania, India, Mexico etc...

Is this the best way to do it? or is there an even better one.
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i think its a great idea. i probably wont be a huge asset to the team but anyway.
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I think The TOP 4 players on each country is better
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Having a MAXIMUM of 4 players per country won't rule out countries with only 1 or 2 players. They should still be able to play. It's only when a country has more than 4 players that you should have to exclude players.
Unless you would want to impose a minimum of players. For Example, a country must have at least 2 players. You don't have to impose this rule if you don't want to.
I think maybe you should because in the real FED CUP, ONE player cannot play all those matches and especially can't play doubles. So maybe we should impose a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4.

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Fed Cup should go on..

the nations should send minimal 2 players and maximal 4 players.. to make it a little more fair..

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OK, that's the idea (max - 4, min - 2) we'll take into acount now, will be subject to change until the start of Indian Wells, when I'll post the team commitment thread.

The highest ranked player will be appointed captain and will be the one who decides the four players, if more than four commit per country.
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Edited.

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nice work cooldudeanzela again
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