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Anett is too weak for juniors. She should go back to the pro circuit


Well, it makes me think how will she cope in the pros once she's not an up and comer, but has to back up her results. I hope she won't be one season's butterfly like many others.
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Re: Anett Kontaveit

Anett has not entered into any tournaments the week after roland garros

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Anett is also on the entry list for Roehampton G1 in June. But first up RG next week. The main draw will be out on Sunday I guess..? Anyway, considering her latest results I do not expect much.
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Anett is also on the entry list for Roehampton G1 in June. But first up RG next week. The main draw will be out on Sunday I guess..? Anyway, considering her latest results I do not expect much.
Anett lost to a good player in Lekaj. She likes to rise to the situation and plays better at Roland Garros then at other tournaments. I think she can do well but she has a potential for a ridiculously hard draw (Vekic and Beck and Svitolina first 3 rounds )

I really want her to play dubs with indy and do well here
If she wins she goes up to Number 2
The juniors are so close together

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Anett lost to a good player n Lekaj. She likes to rise to the situation and plays better at Roland Garros then at other tournaments. I think she can do well but she has a potential for a ridiculously hard draw (Vekic and Beck and Svitolina first 3 rounds )
All those three girls would normally beat Anett, especially given her form. Lekaj is good indeed, but still shouldn't be good enough to defeat Anett. And yet she did.
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All those three girls would normally beat Anett, especially given her form. Lekaj is good indeed, but still shouldn't be good enough to defeat Anett. And yet she did.
You think those girls can all beat Anett!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donna=You're dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bek=Anett says she would have beaten if she hadn't wasted so much energy in Mladenovic's match
Svitolina=Huge consistency problem. Would be favourite but can have spaz days

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Re: Anett Kontaveit

Svitolina does not even play. Beck and Vekic will be seeded. So it´s impossible for them to face Anett before R3.
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Svitolina does not even play. Beck and Vekic will be seeded. So it´s impossible for them to face Anett in early rounds.
Are they using pro rankings for seedings
Thats good. It means I don't think Donna can meet Anett till quarters

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Are they using pro rankings for seedings
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-6 201-225

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You think those girls can all beat Anett!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donna=You're dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bek=Anett says she would have beaten if she hadn't wasted so much energy in Mladenovic's match
Svitolina=Huge consistency problem. Would be favourite but can have spaz days
You're pointless
You understand that Svitolina is better, that's a good start. Svitolina on a normal day would beat Anett, on a good day would beat Anett, and on a bad day Anett would win.
If Anett says she could beat Beck if she wasn't tired doesn't mean she really would. If she played better, Annika would've played better too.
And I'm wondering how the dreaming me would influence a match between Donna and Anett
Still don't get your points. Neh, you don't have any. I still think all of those girls are better players than Anett in this moment and even more consistant.

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I still think all of those girls are better players than Anett and even more consistant.
Yeah, Svitolina and Beck are currently better, no doubt. They are also at least 2 years older than Anett and in top 200, so no surprise there. I have no idea about Vekic, those 25k-s she won (or got to the finals) were pretty weak overall, but she did defeat a bunch of top 250 players. Depends on the surface also I guess.

We should wait until these 3 tournaments are over (RG, Roehampton and Wimbledon) to draw any conclusions about Anett being in a slump or sth.
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Yeah, Svitolina and Beck are currently better, no doubt. They are also at least 2 years older than Anett and in top 200, so no surprise there. I have no idea about Vekic, those 25k-s she won (or got to the finals) were pretty weak overall, but she did defeat a bunch of top 250 players. Depends on the surface also I guess.

We should wait until these 3 tournaments are over (RG, Roehampton and Wimbledon) to draw any conclusions about Anett being in a slump or sth.
That's why I mentioned they are better in this very moment. A two years difference is important at this age. Anett may become a better player than Beck and Svitolina in the future. As for Donna, I'm really curious how she'll cope with stronger opponents. Now it's hard to compare her to other juniors, because she didn't play many tournament in the juniors itf.
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You're pointless
You understand that Svitolina is better, that's a good start. Svitolina on a normal day would beat Anett, on a good day would beat Anett, and on a bad day Anett would win.
If Anett says she could beat Beck if she wasn't tired doesn't mean she really would. If she played better, Annika would've played better too.
And I'm wondering how the dreaming me would influence a match between Donna and Anett
Still don't get your points. Neh, you don't have any. I still think all of those girls are better players than Anett in this moment and even more consistant.
I of course agree with consistency. Thats a no-brainer. But Anett is the only one of those players never to lose to a player ranked lower than her in Protennis, and she has now played for almost 2 years

She was beating Annika in Copenhagen 6-4 3-3 Game point when everyone was getting broken. She faded from there. Svitolina is better but can fall apart. I don't understand why everyone thinks Donna's so amazing. For her age she is excellent and has achieved amazing things, which no one can take away from her. But the only tournaments between the two that you can compare are juniors, where Donna has done badly.

Look at Anett's pro results this year:
Top 40 loss
Top 50 Win
Top 150 Win
Several easy wins in Tallinn over lower ranked players
Top 300 Win
Top 400 Win (IIRC) who had just beaten Kostova top 160
Top 400 loss (weird)
Dont know Wienerova
Top 200 win
Top 200 loss
Top 250 Win
Top 250 Loss IIRC
Top 200 Win
Top 230 Loss

To add to these stats, every player Anett has lost to has made at least the semi's of that tournament.

Donna's results:
Top 120 Loss
Less than top 1000 win
Top 700 Loss
To 300 loss IIRC
1 Top 250 Win
Top 300 Win
Top 500 Loss
1 Top 300 Win

To add to Donna's stats, all of the highly ranked players she defeated also got easy points. You can't say she beat so and so top 250 players meaning she deserves to be top 250 when the plaers she beat barely deserve to be top 300. The tournaments in Uzbekistan are not weak in rank, they are weak in talent!!

Also, Donna doesn't like Clay.

And BTW, I am not pointless

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yes

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2 151-175

3-4 176-200

-6 201-225

7-8 226-250

-11 251-275

12-14 276-300

5-17 301-325

8-20 326-350
Doesn't that mean Anett will be unseeded?
I don't get your Table

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Doesn't that mean Anett will be unseeded?
I don't get your Table
No, she will stay inside 16 seeds. She is ranked 14th. Barty and Min are not playing. Beck, Gavrilova and Vekic will be seeded thanks to their senior ranking.

Top 150 WTA ranking equals (for the seeding purposes) #1 ITF juniors ranking, top 175 WTA ranking equals #2 ITF juniors ranking, top 200 WTA ranking equals top 4 ITF juniors ranking etc.
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Than I propose you to create a gap between #200 and #300 and move the players, so that the #300-#400 spots could have two players on each position, so they can all be ranked as they deserve.
You were pointless actually. Than you came up with statistics and you are no more. But statistics aren't so relevant for me. I still think Donna would beat Anett. At least on hard, which is the most common surface.
But to start with the begining, I didn't ever say Donna is better than Anett, I've said I (me, myself) think that she is better. You could've told me your believings are the other way around and it would be fine, but you claim - as you always do - that your opinions are the right ones, meaning I was wrong.
And you defend Anett like I'm hating on her or something. No, you know I don't. I'm just telling my opinions, which may prove true, or may prove wrong and which aren't related at all with my preferences, but with my judgement.
There's a lot of facts that decide the winner of a match and indirect statistics (by indirect I mean not face to face statistics, but judging on matches against different other players) aren't one of them.
If you think Donna is not as good as people think, I wonder why do you always post there and criticise her schedule. On the other hand I believe in Anett.

And most important than everything is that it's not important at all who's better than whom. Both are promising players and when they will face each other, we shall see who's who.
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