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Re: Estonian Tennis

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Estonian ranking

Does not matter even for entering ITF-s, since there are only two ranked players and as a result everyone else in so much higher in the national list, compared to unranked players from other nations.
It does matter for Eva, Erika and Tatjana IMO as they are the ones wanting to play pros soon. If Erika was 20th Alternate from QUALIFYING in 2 Madrid 10Ks at Number 8 in the National Rankings, then how is Tatja supposed to get into any 10Ks with her ranking now down at around 10-15

BTW, the rankings are basically set now If Eva wins, she will go up to 4, overtaking Kadi. If Erika wins she will stay at number 6 If Mia Nicole and Julia win Doubles, Mia will stay as number 1 and simply increase her lead over everyone else and Julia will stay at 22. If Eva and Tatjana win, Eva will stay at Number 5 if she doesn't win her singles, or Stay at Number 4 if she does and Tatja will move up to Tied 12th

I was going to say that this would be a great confidence booster for Erika and Liisa for next weeks AOTK Cup (it was for Tatja last year ) but it is also a change of surfaces
That can't help at all, given that they only have a few days to adapt

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It does matter for Eva, Erika and Tatjana IMO as they are the ones wanting to play pros soon. If Erika was 20th Alternate from QUALIFYING in 2 Madrid 10Ks at Number 8 in the National Rankings, then how is Tatja supposed to get into any 10Ks with her ranking now down at around 10-15
It would only make a (small) difference, if they would enter the same tournaments and even then it would be an internal Estonian thing.

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Entered players without an approved singles computer ranking but with a 
current top 500 National Ranking will be drawn at the ITF Office at the Entry 
Deadline. 
 
These players will be sorted into groups of the same nationalities and ranked 
within those groups. Ties between players within those groups will be 
randomly drawn. 
 
Each country represented will be allocated the same number of draw chips as 
the number of players from that country. Each time a chip is drawn the 
highest ranked player from the country represented by that chip shall be 
selected. 
 
Thereafter, all remaining entered players who are unranked and have no 
National Ranking, shall be randomly drawn for a position on the 
Qualifying/Alternate List.
And most of the 10k qualifying draws are filled with byes, so everyone who seriously wants to play pro tournaments will find an opportunity.
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Re: Estonian Tennis

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It would only make a (small) difference, if they would enter the same tournaments and even then it would be an internal Estonian thing.

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Entered players without an approved singles computer ranking but with a 
current top 500 National Ranking will be drawn at the ITF Office at the Entry 
Deadline. 
 
These players will be sorted into groups of the same nationalities and ranked 
within those groups. Ties between players within those groups will be 
randomly drawn. 
 
Each country represented will be allocated the same number of draw chips as 
the number of players from that country. Each time a chip is drawn the 
highest ranked player from the country represented by that chip shall be 
selected. 
 
Thereafter, all remaining entered players who are unranked and have no 
National Ranking, shall be randomly drawn for a position on the 
Qualifying/Alternate List.
And most of the 10k qualifying draws are filled with byes, so everyone who seriously wants to play pro tournaments will find an opportunity.
I'm confused by the code message. Isn't ones position on an entrance list when they are unranked determined by their national ranking???

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I'm confused by the code message. Isn't ones position on an entrance list when they are unranked determined by their national ranking???
Only compared to compatriots.

Lets imagine that the following ten unranked players will enter a tournament.

Vorobjova EST (NR#6)
Hendsel EST (NR#8)
Kandler AUT (NR#11)
Johansson SWE (NR#67)
Gasparri ITA (NR#86)
Zavarise ITA (NR#108)
Chiesa ITA (NR#116)
Lavoretti ITA (NR#120)
Newborn USA (NR#227)
Hinkle USA (NR#406)

ITF will make a draw to determine their positions.

Each country represented will be allocated the same number of draw chips as the number of players from that country. So Italy 4 chips, Estonia and USA 2 chips, Austria and Sweden 1 chip. Then computer will start drawing the chips in random order.

Let`s pretend that the chips will come out in the following order:

EST
USA
ITA
ITA
AUT
EST
SWE
ITA
USA
ITA

Which would mean that the positions in the entry list would look like this:

1. Vorobjova (Estonian with the best national rank here)
2. Newborn (American with the best national rank here)
3. Gasparri (Italian with the best national rank here)
4. Zavarise (Italian with the second best national rank here)
5. Kandler (Austrian with the best national rank here)
6. Hendsel (Estonian with the second best national rank here)

etc.
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Only compared to compatriots.

Lets imagine that the following ten unranked players will enter a tournament.

Vorobjova EST (NR#6)
Hendsel EST (NR#8)
Kandler AUT (NR#11)
Johansson SWE (NR#67)
Gasparri ITA (NR#86)
Zavarise ITA (NR#108)
Chiesa ITA (NR#116)
Lavoretti ITA (NR#120)
Newborn USA (NR#227)
Hinkle USA (NR#406)

ITF will make a draw to determine their positions.

Each country represented will be allocated the same number of draw chips as the number of players from that country. So Italy 4 chips, Estonia and USA 2 chips, Austria and Sweden 1 chip. Then computer will start drawing the chips in random order.

Let`s pretend that the chips will come out in the following order:

EST
USA
ITA
ITA
AUT
EST
SWE
ITA
USA
ITA

Which would mean that the positions in the entry list would look like this:

1. Vorobjova (Estonian with the best national rank here)
2. Newborn (American with the best national rank here)
3. Gasparri (Italian with the best national rank here)
4. Zavarise (Italian with the second best national rank here)
5. Kandler (Austrian with the best national rank here)
6. Hendsel (Estonian with the second best national rank here)

etc.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
I understand. So it's completely based on luck
Anyway, Eva won 6-2 6-2
Finally she wins a tournament
She will go up to number 4 now
And it does help if she enters a tournament with other Estonians, which she will probably do as the only pro tournaments she is likely to play are the ones that are local, which all the other Estonian girls will play

Old Rankings:

1 Kaia Kanepi
2 Anett Kontaveit
3 Kadi Ilves
4 Mia-Nicole Eklund
5 Eva Paalma
6 Tatjana Vorobjova
7 Mari Mahoni
8 Erika Hendsel
9 Lisanna Pihlak
10-11 Piret Ilves
10-11 Heike-Brit Rõss
12 Anelle Luik
13 Birgit Burk
14 Mari Kalma
15-16 Kadi-Liis Saar
15-16 Elisa Mai Koonik
17 Karina Bogatova
18 Annemai Mutso
19 Elina Põiklik
20 Polina Tsernjak
21-22 Liisa Pajumets
21-22 Riin Veiram
23 Valeria Gorlats
24 Anna Pavlova
25 Dana Ishanova
26-27 Ene Tuul
26-27 Kersten Vanem
28-30 Mariliis Pilve
28-30 Julia Matojan
28-30 Ilona Suvorova
31 Nadja Shein
32-33 Kimberly Valgemäe
32-33 Irina Studneva
34-36 Valeria Sidorenko
34-36 Kristel Kõiva
34-36 Õnnela Urb
37-38 Anella Pajumets
37-38 Merilin Tipp

New Rankings:

1 Kaia Kanepi
2 Anett Kontaveit
3 Mia-Nicole Eklund
5 Eva Paalma
4 Kadi Ilves
6 Erika Hendsel
7 Mari Mahoni
8 Birgit Burk
9 Lisanna Pihlak
10 Anelle Luik
10 Heike-Brit Rõss
12 Karina Bogatova
12 Elisa Mai Koonik
14 Tatjana Vorobjova
15 Liisa Pajumets
16 Piret Ilves
17 Kadi-Liis Saar
17 Annemai Mutso
19 Mari Kalma
20 Elina Põiklik
21 Polina Tsernjak
22 Julia Matojan
23 Valeria Gorlats
23 Anna Pavlova
25 Ene Tuul
25 Riin Veiram
27 Anella Pajumets
28 Kimberly Valgemäe
28 Irina Studneva
30 Kristel Kõiva

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Re: Estonian Tennis

Some highlights from the final
Despite their lack of power, there were some really nice rallies
I expected Eva to hit the ball harder, like she did against Katerzyna Piter at SEB Tallink Open V but Erika hits the ball quite hard for someone her age
Here's the link:
http://sport.err.ee/tennis/058e0ca4-...a-e73f96fa37f9

BTW, for the first time in perhaps ever, there are no Estonian's on 10K Tampere list
It is so sad that because of European Championships, we have no competitors. We have no on over 18 willing to play professionally besides Kaia

Eva/Tatjana won the final against Mia Nicole/Julia 6-4 6-1

Tatjana is now tied 12th in the National Rankings

Starting tonight is the AOTKTwiga Cup
Tatja pulled out but Erika, Liisa, Annela, Birgit, Elisa Mai and Lisanna are all competing, with Erika as 2nd Seed

She unfortunately has Iryna Shymanovich, number 15 in the world in 16U
Shymanovich was a qualifier which was unlucky for Erika
If she wins though then I expect her to make the final as there are not really any other players in her half that are particularly good.

The other Estonians have quite good draws except for Birgit, as everyone else draws a Qualifier or a Lucky Loser

Good luck to all and I hope to see many Estonians in the second round

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Re: Estonian Tennis

Every Estonian except Elisa Mai Koonik and Jana Kuzovkova lost
She only won because she draw Anna Pavlova, the Estonian who lost first round in Qualies
I knew that all the FQR loses got LL spots but why did Ann? (she lost First Round, not 2nd)
Anyway, I don't mind as much that Erika lost to Shymanovich 6-4 6-1 as she is a very good player, but Liisa getting a bagel against a LL and Lisanna getting routined by a Qualifier is just sad. Birgit Burk made a name for herself as she scored a first set bagel over the 6th seed before going down 2 and 3 in the second and third. The huge plus side to the day was Jana Kuzovkova though After winning last weeks 14U Babolat Cup at Tondiraba which provided a good warm-up, she defeated the 4th seed 7-6(3) 6-0 As the only player in the draw who did not play the Estonian Championships, I think this is proof that the players didn't have enough time to react to the change of surfaces. Maybe AOTK TwigaCup should be a week later next year, or maybe the Championships earlier. Anyway, she will play Great Kerezaite, the winner of a LL battle There are so many LLs Hopefully she can make the quarters

In the doubles, Estonian Championships Semi-Finalists Lisanna Pihlak and Erika Hendsel have teamed up as the third seeds while the Pajumets sisters and Birgit Burk/Elisa Mai Koonik have both draw unseeded teams. Anna Pavlova has teamed up with Russia Ekaterina Nazarova and play unseeded team Mariella Blackwell/Elena Golovnyova

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Re: Estonian Tennis

Here is some info on Mia Nicole Eklund, an honorary Estonian
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mia-Ni...63989406961863
http://miaeklund-com.sn21.zone.eu/
She seems to be making decent progress on the Pro-tour and I hope she can get a ranking soon
http://www.itftennis.com/ProCircuit/...erID=100152949
Here is the video of her match vs Johanna Hyoty in the Finnish Indoor Championships Final
She hits the ball very deep and quite hard and she has quite a good serve

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Junior G4 in Latvia this week

R1:

Luize Liva STRIKE (LAT) 6-2 6-2 Kimberly VALGEMAE (EST)
Olga SHARYPOVA (RUS) [6] 6-1 6-4 Elisa Mai KOONIK (EST)
ANNA ANNIJA VEINSTEINA (LAT) 6-3 6-2 Tatjana VOROBJOVA (EST) [3]
Anastasia SHAULSKAYA (RUS) [2] 6-3 3-6 6-1 Erika HENDSEL (EST)

Egor SHUTOV (RUS) 7-5 Retired Kenneth RAISMA (EST)
Boris POKOTILOV (RUS) [1] 6-3 7-6(9) Anton PAVLOV (EST)

This tournament seems to be epic fail for the Estonians
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Junior G4 in Latvia this week

R1:

Luize Liva STRIKE (LAT) 6-2 6-2 Kimberly VALGEMAE (EST)
Olga SHARYPOVA (RUS) [6] 6-1 6-4 Elisa Mai KOONIK (EST)
ANNA ANNIJA VEINSTEINA (LAT) 6-3 6-2 Tatjana VOROBJOVA (EST) [3]
Anastasia SHAULSKAYA (RUS) [2] 6-3 3-6 6-1 Erika HENDSEL (EST)

Egor SHUTOV (RUS) 7-5 Retired Kenneth RAISMA (EST)
Boris POKOTILOV (RUS) [1] 6-3 7-6(9) Anton PAVLOV (EST)

This tournament seems to be epic fail for the Estonians
And the Estonians normally play so well in Latvia

I expected more from Kimberly and much much more from Tatja
Kanneth
I think that Elisa and Erika did pretty well though, as Elisa can barely win matches and Erika played a tough opponent
The third set is worrying though
Also Anton di pretty well, but the boys is very weak compared to the girls
We have a good shot at doing well in Doubles though with Erika and Anton as 2nd Seeds and Tatja lurking
I wonder how Kimberly/Elisa will do against the 3rd Seeds as Elisa is a good Doubles player (although she always gets good partners ) and they were supposed to play at the Estonian Open before Kimberly had to pull out

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@ Estonians

But always nice to see Pavlov losing
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But always nice to see Pavlov losing
Is he mean...

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Is he mean...
He used physical violence against Kert Kilumets (a young Estonian tennis player) and got banned from playing in Estonian tournaments for 6 months. He got that penalty because Pavlov had been involved in similar incidents before.
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