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Ana must to reach TOP32 and try to reach TOP24 till end of season, and if she continued to use her forehand frequently to hit winners like in good old days and play aggressive, her chances are good for that. On paper, Ana best shot is winning MM Seoul title where playing only 2 players which ever before reach TOP15 (veterans Petrova and Date), but in reality I think her chances for some big result is better in Tokyo and Beijing where all (injury free) WTA TOP players will play! When Ana is not enough motivated anyone can beat her, but when she is highly motivated and focused - she has chance to beat anyone. That's why she won so far only one MM event in whole life (and that Canberra 2005 wins happen just when 17y old Ana switch ITF circuit with pro-tour, so she has all reasons to be high motivated). I don't see Ana to be "enough motivated" in Korea, but at premier-5 in Japan and premier mandatory in Beijing she can repeat Cincinnati/USO passion for tennis (and wins) once again, which means she can beat anybody and go deep into draw. If Sharapova join Clijsters and sisters into TOP8 till end of season, Ana's Melbourne seeds status will not be such good news if she not reach TOP24 in same time, which means Ana needs one good and one very good result in rest of season. Because Hopman Cup Ana will not defend her Brisbane points, so it will be probably better for her to accept Bali WC and finish season two weeks latter than she originally plan.
Yes.. but you forget that motivated Ana can also be beaten by motivated Clijsters, motivated Sharapova, motivated Venus.. so on.. a battle between talented players will always depend on both.. and they might as well be motivated for the final 2 premier tournaments of the year. Obviously, Ana should try her best and fight hard to do well in Tokyo and Beijing, but she should be 100% motivated to play Seoul as well. You are applying "old Ana" logic to this, but you have to remember that Ana hasn't won a title in 2 whole years.. 2 whole years without knowing the taste of victory.. that's too much. She should see every tournament as a huge opportunity and be 100% up for it. I really believe that's something she needs in the process to recovery.. she needs to feel that taste again. And if it's still this year, then even better.. more incentive for her to work very hard during the off season and actually play to her potential in 2011. Because truth to be told, 2010 is by FAR the worst year of her career. She needs to feel how it is to win a title again, she needs to have those positive incentives, she needs to end the year on a high note, so she can go into the off season and into 2011 more motivated than ever.

If she goes into Seoul unmotivated, into Luxebourg unmotivated.. and ends the year without a title once again, I'm sure she will be kicking herself. This is a special ocasion.. she is finally in a position to actually contend (as long as she plays well obviously), so she should take every chance to give her all and try her best. Seoul is her best shot at a title, because her being motivated and playing well should be enough to beat anyone in that field. So she should take the opportunity.

Besides.. winning Seoul would qualify her for Bali. And if Ana is playing well, I agree that she should go play Bali. She should try to get as many points as posible now, to make it to the top 24. I'm sure if she is playing well and motivated, she will want to keep playing.

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Except this last match, we have seen a lot of positives over the past month... Ana seems to be back playing like she really *wants* to be there playing, wants to be on court.. she is adding tournaments, and she is playing with heart again. Her forehand has recovered it's pop and she is even hitting BHs DTL.

But it's still a process.. she is not there yet.. not game-wise, not mentality-wise. She has still a lot to improve and to work on to be back at a top player level. Things are still fragile at the moment IMHO.. so I'm going to take these next few tournaments with caution.. She still needs to go out there and prove she is indeed performing better with each tournament. It's important that she gets consistency in her game now, that she consistently beats the opponents she has to beat, and consistently play with desire and fights her heart out for wins against the big players. She needs to keep performing well and avoid any letdowns. Honestly, I'm still not sure what we can really expect.. I hope we don't have any unpleasant surprises once she steps on court in Asia.

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I'm jealous that she's going there. I'm basically jealous of everyone who travels to Asia. I want to be there back asap.

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Yes.. but you forget that motivated Ana can also
We talking here about unique WTA tennis player called Ana Ivanovic I have no idea about reasons why always she has better chances to beat some TOP10/TOP20 player at some tier-I (or bigger) event, than #30-#40 level player at smaller events... but that is Ana. Even during 2009-2010 big slump no big surprise that only final which she reach in that period is premiere mandatory two-weeker in Indian Wells, and that she is destined for example to have much better result in 2M Rome than previous 700K Stuttgart on at 2M Cincinnati than previous 700K San Diego. No logic, but that works for our Ana year by year, at her best and at her worst. If we not count Brisbane which is seasons opening event so she is of course focused and well motivated Ana's W/L at events with under $2.000.000 money prize since 2009 is pathetic 3-6 (8-8 with Brisbane) despite theirs weak Entry lists. At bigger ones ($2M+) she's been at least able time to time to beat 3+ opponents in the row several times, despite slump (IW/09, RG/09, Wim/09, Rome/10, Cincy/10, USO/10).

When Sharapova for example is out of shape and recovering from injury - she can't beat any decent WTA TOP30 player, but at least Maria have some standards for her lowest level and any out of TOP50 can't beat her... so she simple join to couple MM events and reach finals or wins titles in poor competition. But that never works for Ana, so I don't expect some big changes in Seoul neither, but I'm still very excited about her eventual Tokyo or Beijing upcoming results, because some good signs from Cincinnati and New York which she shows this summer. Only MM event where I can see Ana to be very focused is Bali MM Masters (but that is not real MM event because winner get 600pts and $200K, which is much bigger for example than 1M$ Moscow standards with w-470pts & w-$160K).

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We talking here about unique WTA tennis player called Ana Ivanovic I have no idea about reasons why always she has better chances to beat some TOP10/TOP20 player at some tier-I (or bigger) event, than #30-#40 level player at smaller events... but that is Ana. Even during 2009-2010 big slump no big surprise that only final which she reach in that period is premiere mandatory two-weeker in Indian Wells, and that she is destined for example to have much better result in 2M Rome than previous 700K Stuttgart on at 2M Cincinnati than previous 700K San Diego. No logic, but that works for our Ana year by year, at her best and at her worst. If we not count Brisbane which is seasons opening event so she is of course focused and well motivated Ana's W/L at events with under $2.000.000 money prize since 2009 is pathetic 3-6 (8-8 with Brisbane) despite theirs weak Entry lists. At bigger ones ($2M+) she's been at least able time to time to beat 3+ opponents in the row several times, despite slump (IW/09, RG/09, Wim/09, Rome/10, Cincy/10, USO/10).

When Sharapova for example is out of shape and recovering from injury - she can't beat any decent WTA TOP30 player, but at least Maria have some standards for her lowest level and any out of TOP50 can't beat her... so she simple join to couple MM events and reach finals or wins titles in poor competition. But that never works for Ana, so I don't expect some big changes in Seoul neither, but I'm still very excited about her eventual Tokyo or Beijing upcoming results, because some good signs from Cincinnati and New York which she shows this summer. Only MM event where I can see Ana to be very focused is Bali MM Masters (but that is not real MM event because winner get 600pts and $200K, which is much bigger for example than 1M$ Moscow standards with w-470pts & w-$160K).
I know Ana has all those patterns.. that's why she hasn't won a tournament in 2 years.. her current level of tennis is obviously not enough to win one of those big tournaments, and she doesn't take the small ones as seriously as she should. What I'm saying is that she should take Seoul as seriously as ever, and fight her heart out there, because it IS her best shot at a title this season. If she doesn't take it seriously, she might even do well in Tokyo and Beijing, and she should try hard to do so, but she will come against a big time player and have a hard time.. simply because her game and her mentality are not there yet. That's why even thought she did well in IW 09 and Rome 2010, she couldn't win it. And honestly, IW 2009 she had a MM draw, piss poor. If she really wants a title this season, and she seems like she wants it from what she said in her presser, she should play her heart out in Seoul, be 100% motivated. She shouldn't see it as a small tournament that is not worth anything.. she should see it as a big chance of winning a title, something she hasn't achieved in 2 whole years. I don't think her goal should only be to have good results in big tournaments.. her focus now should be to take her chances to win a title. For a player like Ana, to go without a title for 2 seasons in a row would be a big blow.

As for Bali, I have to tell you it was downgraded this year.. the winner takes only 375 points.

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I'm talking title here.. but I have no idea how Ana is going to play once she steps on court in Asia.. it's still all so fragile, so unpredictable..

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With Cibulkova winning today, Ana will be ranked 37 in the next rankings and will be the 8th seed for Seoul.

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Can't wait for Seoul!
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Playing Seoul gives me a lot of hope for her, maybe more than her playing well in a couple big events. Her finally playing a MM is a great sign that she's willing to work her way back to the top.
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Playing Seoul gives me a lot of hope for her, maybe more than her playing well in a couple big events. Her finally playing a MM is a great sign that she's willing to work her way back to the top.
Agreed.

By the way.. your avatar has me sort of hypnotised.


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Agreed.

By the way.. your avatar has me sort of hypnotised.

Ana's doing a LOT of positive things she's never done before...one of which has been admitting her counter-productive stubbornness.This leads me to believe that she'll eventually relent on the counselling issue...probably not THIS year,but she'll talk with Heinz and Mariya this off-season and they might very well mention the idea now that Ana is more open to facing up to her shortcomings.I'd be surprised if it never came up at all....There's still no guarantee that Ana'll agree to it,but she won't fire either of her supporters for mentioning it as she would/might have done with Kardon

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Safina took a WC into Seoul. So there we have yet another player to avoid... This is sad to say, but Ana needs to stop making so many friends on the WTA, otherwise she won't be able to win a match. Or... learn to be pumped up against friends. The last one is the best solution obviously.

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