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You're missing the larger picture here:Caro can't win a Slam while being a pusher...which means she hit her ceiling by merely reaching a final.I think she'll reach a point where she won't be satisfied with that...and will want more from herself.She has the athleticism to be a good volleyer...is only a teenager still...and she wouldn't have to fundamentally change her style of play by adding power and some more shots to her repertoire.Can't remember if it was you,Izzy or both of you who criticized Murray for his chickenshit pusher style of play vs. Fed in the USO final...saying that pushers don't win Slams...only reach finals,at BEST....If Caro is content with that,then she should do as you suggest and do NOTHING to try and improve;however,I suspect that she has stronger motivation than that
Well i don`t think she can change that much Caro is not that young as you say, she will be 20 next month .
She can be athletic all she wants but she doesn`t have good touch at the net
I don`t think the problem is in wanting her to do something and change her game...the problem is that in crucial games/points she will do what she knows the best and that`s play pusher tennis
Tbh i don`t see her reaching another GS final in near future

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Well i don`t think she can change that much Caro is not that young as you say, she will be 20 next month .
She can be athletic all she wants but she doesn`t have good touch at the net
I don`t think the problem is in wanting her to do something and change her game...the problem is that in crucial games/points she will do what she knows the best and that`s play pusher tennis
Tbh i don`t see her reaching another GS final in near future
Now I think that Rafa's stupidity might be contagious to his fans....She's almost 20 years old??....Does that mean she'll be in a retirement home next month??

Here's a history lesson for you:When Navrat started out,she wasn't an awesome volleyer as she became when she was the dominant Wimby queen...she ADDED that to her game...and she was MUCH older than Caro is when she turned her career around.You make it seem like there are only two choices in tennis:
1.Do absolutely NOTHING for fear of destroying a player's identity.
2.Try to change and ruin someone's career

There ARE in-between shades,Jelena.Sven was an idiot b/c Ana isn't the kind of poised woman who can make lots of big changes in a short time;he should've been able to see that.Yet it doesn't HAVE to be like that...as the Navrat example proves,along with countless others...such as ASV learning to play on grass...which she once scoffed at.One can gradually work on certain skills and add them little by little as they improve...and let's be honest that Caro is a LOT more mature than Ana is emotionally...if they were together in a room and you didn't know their ages,you'd think that ANA was the one almost 3 years younger.IF she has the desire to win Slams,then Caro could add the elements she needed to do that

EDIT:Even if you had a lobotomy,you'd STILL be much more intelligent than Nadal(Big Hug)

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Bruce.. Caro doesn't have the hands to be a good volleyer... She sometimes uses both hands to do a normal backhand volley.. just like she does to slice.. She doesn't have the hands.

In any case, she should get a more aggressive mindset.. she has the power, especially from the backhand wing.. she just chooses not to use it. I think she should get some tips from JJ, who managed to beef up her game and be more than just a counter-pusher.

But Caro herself has stated in countless interviews that she doesn't want to change her game. And maybe that's just right.. look at what an attempt to change game did to Ana... loss of confidence and complete confusion on court.
You're contradiciting yourself a bit;on the one hand,you're acknowledging some potential positive steps...and then,in the next breath,you're implying that NO ONE can change their game even slightly w/o destroying their self-confidence....Caro is NOT Ana;she comes from a strong family background with good values so,if she makes a fool of herself,you are free to laugh at and mock me

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Now I think that Rafa's stupidity might be contagious to his fans....She's almost 20 years old??....Does that mean she'll be in a retirement home next month??
First of all thank you
What i meant is that she is already a formed player.So she knows what are her weaknesses/strength .Everything she does from here is an upgrade ,she can`t change completely .People call her a `pusher` but that ofc doesn`t mean she never attacks or volleys ...

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Here's a history lesson for you:When Navrat started out,she wasn't an awesome volleyer as she became when she was the dominant Wimby queen...she ADDED that to her game...and she was MUCH older than Caro is when she turned her career around.You make it seem like there are only two choices in tennis:
1.Do absolutely NOTHING for fear of destroying a player's identity.
2.Try to change and ruin someone's career

There ARE in-between shades,Jelena.Sven was an idiot b/c Ana isn't the kind of poised woman who can make lots of big changes in a short time;he should've been able to see that.Yet it doesn't HAVE to be like that...as the Navrat example proves,along with countless others...such as ASV learning to play on grass...which she once scoffed at.One can gradually work on certain skills and add them little by little as they improve...and let's be honest that Caro is a LOT more mature than Ana is emotionally...if they were together in a room and you didn't know their ages,you'd think that ANA was the one almost 3 years younger.IF she has the desire to win Slams,then Caro could add the elements she needed to do that

EDIT:Even if you had a lobotomy,you'd STILL be much more intelligent than Nadal(Big Hug)
So now we are comparing Navratilova and Caro
Caro can improve her volleys and every single part of her game to a certain degree.She will never have a great serve,she will never have a great FH,and she will never be good at the net
That`s just how things are

I`m not sure maybe i`m wrong but you think of Caro as a next big thing in tennis .I don`t and until she proves me wrong i`m not changing my opinion

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You're contradiciting yourself a bit;on the one hand,you're acknowledging some potential positive steps...and then,in the next breath,you're implying that NO ONE can change their game even slightly w/o destroying their self-confidence....Caro is NOT Ana;she comes from a strong family background with good values so,if she makes a fool of herself,you are free to laugh at and mock me
No.. you are not understanding what I meant.. I probably didn't explain myself well. What I mean is that Caro can take a page out of JJ's book, and beef up her counter puncher game. Not try to become something she isn't, because that doesn't work IMHO. So.. she can improve without changing.

Caro has stated herself that many people tell her to change her game, but she doesn't want to, that's her game and it has brought her success. What happened to Ana was that they tried to make her play a game that is not natural to her, and that can kill anyone's game. I do agree though that Ana doesn't have a strong mind.. and most of all, she is a very insecure player. She doesn't think she is that good, and has too much respect towards her opponents, too much for her own good. Try to change her game while not being with her full time, plus her insecurities and mentallity.. all brought the disaster that have been the past couple of years. One can improve and grow without necessarily changing completely. As Ana said in her presser, a player has to have a comfort zone to fall on, in which you feel 100% safe and confident. If you try to completely change you game, you lose that. It didn't only happen with Ana.. look at JJ.. she tried to get stronger so she could play like a ball basher and then lost her game, and couldn't do anything well on court. Luckly for her, she identified the problem, and could correct her training.. go back to her game, then improve it. It took her time, but she did it.. it helps in those matters that she truly sees herself as the last bottle of water in the desert.

I give you that Caro is strong mentally and resilient... and that's great to see in such choker times. But I don't think she wants or should try to change her game. She should try to improve the one she has. But that's just my opinion.

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Meh Izzy completely agrees with me ,we are basically saying the same things

Bruce you are just being stubborn as always

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First of all thank you
What i meant is that she is already a formed player.So she knows what are her weaknesses/strength .Everything she does from here is an upgrade ,she can`t change completely .People call her a `pusher` but that ofc doesn`t mean she never attacks or volleys ...



So now we are comparing Navratilova and Caro
Caro can improve her volleys and every single part of her game to a certain degree.She will never have a great serve,she will never have a great FH,and she will never be a good at the net
That`s just how things are

I`m not sure maybe i`m wrong but you think of Caro as a next big thing in tennis .I don`t and until she proves me wrong i`m not changing my opinion
Maybe you're right and she DOESN'T have the talent...but it wouldn't hurt her to try....she's already made a Slam final...and won't go ANY further unless she makes some improvements.If she's not willing to make the effort then...you know what??...then she deserves to be mocked for being a pusher.If she tries but just can't adjust then...at least she went all-out

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Meh Izzy completely agrees with me ,we are basically saying the same things

Bruce you are just being stubborn as always
Yep,unlike YOU......You are NEVER stubborn........................

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Meh Izzy completely agrees with me ,we are basically saying the same things

Bruce you are just being stubborn as always
We always agree..

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We always agree..
Well,for what it's worth.....I'm just glad to have you around again.No offense to the other posters---it just wasn't quite the same without you.......MAYOR Izzy

Something you and Jelena have in common:You are both IDEAL candidates for the debate-stopping version of the Latino Muzzle Kiss

....Just had a revelation....You seem more confident about Dinara coming back than you do about Ana...maybe I'm just misreading your posts,but I'd think it would be the opposite since Ana has shown what it takes to actually break through all the way....I hope you're right in re Dinara bouncing back....otherwise I'll never forget that look of utter terror she had prior to the 2009 RG final(sigh)

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Well,for what it's worth.....I'm just glad to have you around again.No offense to the other posters---it just wasn't quite the same without you.......MAYOR Izzy

Something you and Jelena have in common:You are both IDEAL candidates for the debate-stopping version of the Latino Muzzle Kiss

....Just had a revelation....You seem more confident about Dinara coming back than you do about Ana...maybe I'm just misreading your posts,but I'd think it would be the opposite since Ana has shown what it takes to actually break through all the way....I hope you're right in re Dinara bouncing back....otherwise I'll never forget that look of utter terror she had prior to the 2009 RG final(sigh)
My problem with Ana is that she spent at the very least 6 months completely neglecting her tennis.. not working.. not trying.. barely playing.. without any reasonable reason whatsoever.. She did it because she didn't feel like playing tennis.. she chose to spend hours and hours walking a golf course. Ana had her head and commitment anywhere but on a tennis court. She was unprofessional and had the most ridiculous attitude. She wanted things to fall from the sky, to happen for her without putting in the real effort, dedicating herself to the sport.. Are things changing now? Maybe.. maybe not.. her head is still screwed up and it will take a lot of effort and dedication to get that back. Is she willing to make the commitment? I'm not sure.. I don't trust that since she went into a !@#!@# grand slam last year thinking about taking holidays with the boyfriend. So I'm not sure about Ana.

Safina, on the other hand, lives for tennis. She has the commitment, the desire, the dedication. And that's one of the most important things. The tennis Gods reward hard work. She just had a career threatening injury.. something very serious.. and maybe she even came back before she should have. So I'll give her time.. maybe if in 2 years time she is still slumping (like Ana's slump, which will have it's 2 year aniversary soon), then I'll might reconsider my opinion. For now, I'm pretty sure she will be back. That does not mean I think she will win slams and be number 1. But be back at the top 15-10.

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My problem with Ana is that she spent at the very least 6 months completely neglecting her tennis.. not working.. not trying.. barely playing.. without any reasonable reason whatsoever.. She did it because she didn't feel like playing tennis.. she chose to spend hours and hours walking a golf course. Ana had her head and commitment anywhere but on a tennis court. She was unprofessional and had the most ridiculous attitude. She wanted things to fall from the sky, to happen for her without putting in the real effort, dedicating herself to the sport.. Are things changing now? Maybe.. maybe not.. her head is still screwed up and it will take a lot of effort and dedication to get that back. Is she willing to make the commitment? I'm not sure.. I don't trust that since she went into a !@#!@# grand slam last year thinking about taking holidays with the boyfriend. So I'm not sure about Ana.

Safina, on the other hand, lives for tennis. She has the commitment, the desire, the dedication. And that's one of the most important things. The tennis Gods reward hard work. She just had a career threatening injury.. something very serious.. and maybe she even came back before she should have. So I'll give her time.. maybe if in 2 years time she is still slumping (like Ana's slump, which will have it's 2 year aniversary soon), then I'll might reconsider my opinion. For now, I'm pretty sure she will be back. That does not mean I think she will win slams and be number 1. But be back at the top 15-10.
Hope you enjoyed the kiss on the cheek,btw

My primary reason for desiring better things for Caro is that I think she'd be an EXCELLENT face for the WTA...and I don't mean that just b/c she's beautiful...there are PLENTY of lovely faces in the sport.I say that because she's charming,intelligent and VERY unlikely to embarrass the sport with off-court behavior,IMO....I like and respect her as a person............but her style of play is often....It seems virtually impossible to win a match with only ONE winner...yet she managed that somehow last year.Maybe Jelena is right and she's simply not that talented...not slam-winning material.If that's the case,then she doesn't deserve to be promoted above her level any more than Kournikova did.However,if she DOES possess that talent,then I'd like to see her bring it out and reach the greater accomplishments.She could be a super role model for girls as a champion...as opposed to being a play-it-safe,mediocre pusher....I'll say a lot depends on how far she's willing to go

Ana's 'vacation' is even more appalling when you consider the sewer-level quality of whom she spent it with(sigh...).At least throw your career away for someone special that you couldn't meet in the average brothel

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Dinara I know she will be back. I want her to win a slam so badly, my heart just melts everytime I see her upset on the court or struggling. I feel like her Dad or something

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These rain delays are going to wreck havoc with tomorrow's schedule. I can already see them putting Ana on Court 17 or something...

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