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WTF? Dinara!

I checked the results between classes today and Dinara was up 6-3 4-2. Then I though.. "good, she has this!"

I was probably unconciouly exercising my jinxing powers..

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Safina has been trying to emulate Ana in all aspects.. even in the slump.. since the beginning.. the difference was that Ana actually managed to win RG in her second final.

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I'm gonna say again that neither Ana nor Dinara were EVER that mentally strong even when they were winning clutch 3-set matches;you're either clutch or you aren't...you don't vacillate back and forth.That's why you rarely see proven champions demonstrate what would be called a choke.You either have those inner qualities that help you handle adversity...or you don't.It IS possible for a weak person to become strong...but that usually requires a longer-term effort to overcome at least one big obstacle...something that develops character.

What DOES happen sometimes with weaker personalities,like Ana and Dinara,is that they find strategies--mental tricks,if you will--that aid them during matches...that allow them to focus on what's at hand instead of panicking and choking.However,as we've seen,these tricks don't always work...for various reasons...or,in some cases,players stop believing in their formerly-successful methods...or they choose to experiment with something that winds up being ineffective.

Dinara is such a basket case sometimes....I fear she might be finished as a player if she doesn't get the right direction in her camp.Yet,if her career starts going completely in the toilet...at THAT point Marat might step in and offer some guidance

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Safina has been trying to emulate Ana in all aspects.. even in the slump.. since the beginning.. the difference was that Ana actually managed to win RG in her second final.
yeah, but Safina is going down even faster Ana at least managed to reach the 4th round while defending champion. But Safina had a serious injury...

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safina and ana now also have a similar game: countless double faults, 10 feet behind the baseline, pushing all the way

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Safina has been trying to emulate Ana in all aspects.. even in the slump.. since the beginning.. the difference was that Ana actually managed to win RG in her second final.
Thank God for that

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safina and ana now also have a similar game: countless double faults, 10 feet behind the baseline, pushing all the way
Yeah
The only difference is that Dinara actually knows how to push.I`ve seen her win many matches like that while Ana is horribe in it You can see by her results
I think Kimiko is in Dinara`s head a little bit.She defeated her twice in a row on grass and maybe that also helped today.Not that it takes much for Dinara to break down anyway

I think playing RG was a stupid decision ,just like Ana and USO(they are so similar ) She must have known that she won`t be able to have a good run here bc of her results on clay this year so why hurt yourself even more

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I'm more and more convinced Justine did curse Roland Garros when you see Ana and Dinara's form and then throw in Sveta clay court season
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I'm more and more convinced Justine did curse Roland Garros when you see Ana and Dinara's form and then throw in Sveta clay court season

They just don`t know how to deal with pressure

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The only difference is that Dinara actually knows how to push.I`ve seen her win many matches like that while Ana is horribe in it You can see by her results
I think Kimiko is in Dinara`s head a little bit.She defeated her twice in a row on grass and maybe that also helped today.Not that it takes much for Dinara to break down anyway

I think playing RG was a stupid decision ,just like Ana and USO(they are so similar ) She must have known that she won`t be able to have a good run here bc of her results on clay this year so why hurt yourself even more
Jelena,I think you've got Date confused with Tanasugarn who beat Dinara 2 straight times on grass;prior to today,Kimiko and Dinara had never played before

As for what's in Dinara's head,I can answer that question:ELVES!!!.....Elves who are piss drunk and doing haphazard construction on Dinara's gray matter....My biggest concern is the contrast between Ana and Dinarik;Ana actually WON a Slam title.Despite her extreme low points(and I'm referring to tennis...not the hell-cursed Rolex event where she contracted her Anal Tumor),there was always at least a small place in Ana's mind where she knew that she had the ability.Can't recall a single Slam winner who has completely imploded and faded into obscurity...and Ana isn't likely to be the first,IMO.On the contrary,Dinara has NEVER overcome that final hurdle;Kuzy may have won regardless,but the look on Dinara's face as she took the court at RG 2009 was very disturbing...one of utter cowardice and fear....Because she's associated with failure,Dinara might not be able to rise above her current mental state--especially without help--if she keeps flashing back to her setbacks.Unless this new coach can lift her spirits...she might be finished!!

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Jelena,I think you've got Date confused with Tanasugarn who beat Dinara 2 straight times on grass;prior to today,Kimiko and Dinara had never played before

As for what's in Dinara's head,I can answer that question:ELVES!!!.....Elves who are piss drunk and doing haphazard construction on Dinara's gray matter....My biggest concern is the contrast between Ana and Dinarik;Ana actually WON a Slam title.Despite her extreme low points(and I'm referring to tennis...not the hell-cursed Rolex event where she contracted her Anal Tumor),there was always at least a small place in Ana's mind where she knew that she had the ability.Can't recall a single Slam winner who has completely imploded and faded into obscurity...and Ana isn't likely to be the first,IMO.On the contrary,Dinara has NEVER overcome that final hurdle;Kuzy may have won regardless,but the look on Dinara's face as she took the court at RG 2009 was very disturbing...one of utter cowardice and fear....Because she's associated with failure,Dinara might not be able to rise above her current mental state--especially without help--if she keeps flashing back to her setbacks.Unless this new coach can lift her spirits...she might be finished!!
Yeah i did Well they are both `old` so i got confused

Dinara is not finished She is a fighter and she will be back .She had a career threatening injury and it`s not easy to recover after that...
Dinara needs time and a good coach

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Yeah i did Well they are both `old` so i got confused

Dinara is not finished She is a fighter and she will be back .She had a career threatening injury and it`s not easy to recover after that...
Dinara needs time and a good coach
Obviously,I hope you're right;when she plays to her potential,Dinara is good enough that she doesn't need to be a pusher....I've seen her hit away and knock people off the court when she played with confidence.

Speaking of pushers,I think it's stupid of everyone to wish for Caro's disappearance;here's a MUCH better idea:Hope that Caro will learn to diversify her game so that she can attack and volley more.Seriously,wouldn't it better for the sport to have a highly-intelligent,mature young lady...who's gorgeous,too...who appears to have decent morals on top of everything else??Her 'awful crime'?She plays boring,passive tennis.....Oh boy!!Call out the firing squad.Honestly,if she could adopt a few more aspects to her game,she'd be a SUPER asset to the WTA

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Obviously,I hope you're right;when she plays to her potential,Dinara is good enough that she doesn't need to be a pusher....I've seen her hit away and knock people off the court when she played with confidence.

Speaking of pushers,I think it's stupid of everyone to wish for Caro's disappearance;here's a MUCH better idea:Hope that Caro will learn to diversify her game so that she can attack and volley more.Seriously,wouldn't it better for the sport to have a highly-intelligent,mature young lady...who's gorgeous,too...who appears to have decent morals on top of everything else??Her 'awful crime'?She plays boring,passive tennis.....Oh boy!!Call out the firing squad.Honestly,if she could adopt a few more aspects to her game,she'd be a SUPER asset to the WTA
As we said before why change something that is working Her game is boring but is also affective,she reached #2 after all Caro is awful at the net so more volleying is definitely not her thing
This is tennis forum after all and Caro reached #2 without winning anything worth mentioning so ofc she will get a lot of criticism .And all this time WTA is/was a crazy house even Rezai/MJMS won bigger titles than Caro did

If you can be criticized after winning something big calling it a fluke,luck... it`s pretty normal to me to get criticized for not winning it at all
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As we said before why change something that is working Her game is boring but is also affective,she reached #2 after all Caro is awful at the net so more volleying is definitely not her thing
This is tennis forum after all and Caro reached #2 without winning anything worth mentioning so ofc she will get a lot of criticism .And all this time WTA is/was a crazy house even Rezai/MJMS won bigger titles than Caro did

If you can be criticized after winning something big calling it a fluke,luck... it`s pretty normal to me to get criticized for not winning it at all
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You're missing the larger picture here:Caro can't win a Slam while being a pusher...which means she hit her ceiling by merely reaching a final.I think she'll reach a point where she won't be satisfied with that...and will want more from herself.She has the athleticism to be a good volleyer...is only a teenager still...and she wouldn't have to fundamentally change her style of play by adding power and some more shots to her repertoire.Can't remember if it was you,Izzy or both of you who criticized Murray for his chickenshit pusher style of play vs. Fed in the USO final...saying that pushers don't win Slams...only reach finals,at BEST....If Caro is content with that,then she should do as you suggest and do NOTHING to try and improve;however,I suspect that she has stronger motivation than that

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Dinara is not finished.

As Jelena said, the girl just had a career threatening injury, has barely played this year.. and on top of that, just broke up with a coach she was highly dependent on. She needs time... I actually expected her to loose early here.

Besides that, Dinara lives and breathes tennis.. she is a proven hard worker.. and she has the desire.. I'm sure she will be back. It just might take a while.. she needs time to settle in.. she has a Safin head, so she needs to regain control of her emotions, besides all the issues players who go into long injury lay offs have.

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You're missing the larger picture here:Caro can't win a Slam while being a pusher...which means she hit her ceiling by merely reaching a final.I think she'll reach a point where she won't be satisfied with that...and will want more from herself.She has the athleticism to be a good volleyer...is only a teenager still...and she wouldn't have to fundamentally change her style of play by adding power and some more shots to her repertoire.Can't remember if it was you,Izzy or both of you who criticized Murray for his chickenshit pusher style of play vs. Fed in the USO final...saying that pushers don't win Slams...only reach finals,at BEST....If Caro is content with that,then she should do as you suggest and do NOTHING to try and improve;however,I suspect that she has stronger motivation than that
Bruce.. Caro doesn't have the hands to be a good volleyer... She sometimes uses both hands to do a normal backhand volley.. just like she does to slice.. She doesn't have the hands.

In any case, she should get a more aggressive mindset.. she has the power, especially from the backhand wing.. she just chooses not to use it. I think she should get some tips from JJ, who managed to beef up her game and be more than just a counter-pusher.

But Caro herself has stated in countless interviews that she doesn't want to change her game. And maybe that's just right.. look at what an attempt to change game did to Ana... loss of confidence and complete confusion on court.

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