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Ana is not the player she was a few seasons ago, you seem to think she's still an elite player who just happens to be ranked #58, she's not. She's now a mediocre player ranked #58, and she she should do what all players in that range do and that's play MM events. She needs to a) learn how to win matches again and b) play in a less pressurised situation.

I'd love her to play something like Barcelona, of course she won't, but don't worry, after inevitable first/second round losses in Stuttgart/Rome/Madrid, I think she'll finally get the message.
She is simple not that kind of player, so why to use formula which not works for her even when she is at her best??? What is next experiment - to try playing with left hand or to use one handed backhand?

Also if she really want to back her old aggressive game style - it's no matter actually is her opponent #40 or #70 ranked because it's almost all depending on Ana (winner or UE after just 2-3 long rally). Stuttgart+Rome+Madrid (+Paris) is very good and logical claycourt schedule for Ana. Also don't forget that at her worst Ana is out of WTA TOP50, but even in that shape she is still TOP20 player at clay!

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She is simple not that kind of player, so why to use formula which not works for her even when she is at her best??? What is next experiment - to try playing with left hand or to use one handed backhand?

Also if she really want to back her old aggressive game style - it's no matter actually is her opponent #40 or #70 ranked because it's almost all depending on Ana (winner or UE after just 2-3 long rally). Stuttgart+Rome+Madrid (+Paris) is very good and logical claycourt schedule for Ana. Also don't forget that at her worst Ana is out of WTA TOP50, but even in that shape she is still TOP20 player at clay!
Is she? We don't know that.. we might find that out in Stuttgart+Rome+Madrid+RG... but we don't know if she is top 20 on clay... Last year she surely wasn't, barely got points on clay, and didn't beat anyone in the top 40. And honestly.. Ana was playing 100000 times better this time last year, than she is playing now.

And what used to work for old Ana doesn't work for new Ana.. it's two completely different players. What you probably need to realize is that Ana needs to play matches.. if you see the patterns she is following lately, you can conclude logically that she has no idea about match management anymore. That is because she has barely played in more than one year.. she needs to get lots of matches in, so she learns how to manage a match again, and doesn't get so nervous while playing.. to make it a normal thing. Match management is even more important than getting her forehand together.. She can be hitting amazing forehand after amazing forehand, that if she doesn't have match management in her, she will get to clutch time and start to miss everything because of pure nerves. Choke the match away, as she has done a number of times in the past year. And she can only get match management if she plays lots of them, no matter which scrub the opponent is. So.. unless we expect her to suddenly start to play well, like a miracle, and beat top ten players left and right (because she will be getting top 10 players in the first couple of rounds of the clay tournaments she has in her schedule), then she won't be getting many matches at all. She will maybe play 4 or 5 matches, with luck, in 3 tournaments. Sorry, but that's nothing.. nothing.

Besides that.. she should put as a goal to be seeded for RG.. and that means she needs to get about 800-900 points during clay season. That's a LOT, so she might as well try to play more tournaments. She only has 15 counting to her rankings, out of 16 possible.. so she has a 0 for not playing, 2 0s for missing out on mandatory tournaments, 1 for Eastbourne and Tokyo, 5 for USO and IW... she can try to at least replace those 1s with some new tournaments.. If she doesn't get enough points she will be unseeded for both RG and Wimbledon.. and she might as well get a top 10 player in the very first round, which only makes things tougher. Ana is 0-6 against top 10 since Linz, and losing in the first round of RG and W would most probably mean Ana could drop out of the top 100.. maybe not even get into the main draw of the USO. She should try to hack up points left and right now, and that means playing tennis, as much as posible.. not running away from her problems, not get delusional thoughts of greatness.. just be realistic and get herself realistic goals, and fight for them.

Anyway.. I don't expect her to add any tournament, so don't worry Cp6uja. She will keep her top 10 schedule, whoring up WCs until the end of the year.. maybe then she will get some perspective.. Right now she will probably go WAG a bit.. then go practice.. and then go play those tournaments.. I think practice does nothing for Ana at the moment, she just can't execute in matches anything she has done well in practice, most probably due to her being a complete nervous wreck everytime. So I can only hope she does a whole lot of fitness during this training block, because she has been looking completely out of form.. her footwork has never been worse, and she is mistiming her shots all the time, getting past balls or not reaching to them enough. Her fitness is totally down the drain.. maybe if she improves that a bit, she can at least be on the ball, which will make her make less stupid UEs.
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Is she? We don't know that.. we might find that out in Stuttgart+Rome+Madrid+RG... but we don't know if she is top 20 on clay... Last year she surely wasn't, barely got points on clay, and didn't beat anyone in the top 40.
Last season che played at clay worse than ever, but still enough good to win Medina#18, Schiavone#44, Benesova#35, Errani#44 and Tanasugarn#52 droping just one set, and enough good to lead against Radwanska 4-0 in third set. But fact that she not close that match against Aga and easy lose vs Azarenka is proofs that she is still TOP20, but not even close to her 2007-08 claycourt performances where she is without any doubt WTA TOP2 claycourter by any criteria (#1 for 2007+2008 together)

BTW last season she played only Rome before Paris (+ 1 Fed Cup match), so this season clay schedule with Sttutgart and Madrid added is much better. Also (by my calculations) for seeds status at RG about 600 pts from Stut.,Rome and Madrid will be enough (not 800-900) which is realistic scenario even if she stays on this #50 level (which means TOP20 on clay).

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Last season che played at clay worse than ever, but still enough good to win Medina#18, Schiavone#44, Benesova#35, Errani#44 and Tanasugarn#52 droping just one set, and enough good to lead against Radwanska 4-0 in third set. But fact that she not close that match against Aga and easy lose vs Azarenka is proofs that she is still TOP20, but not even close to her 2007-08 claycourt performances where she is without any doubt WTA TOP2 claycourter by any criteria (#1 for 2007+2008 together)

BTW last season she played only Rome before Paris (+ 1 Fed Cup match), so this season clay schedule with Sttutgart and Madrid added is much better. Also (by my calculations) for seeds status at RG about 600 pts from Stut.,Rome and Madrid will be enough (not 800-900) which is realistic scenario even if she stays on this #50 level (which means TOP20 on clay).
I had forgot about AMG.. And Benesova is cow on ice.. horrible.. Rest were out of top 40. But still.. the wins Ana had were not very meaningful.. And her choke against Radwasnka only proves my point.. she has no idea about match management anymore, and without that it really doesn't matter how she is playing. Still.. I don't think those wins mean that she is top 20 on clay at all.. And you have to concede that she is playing now at a lower level than last year. A lot lower. So we just can't know for sure or say she is top 20 on clay.. that's guessing in the dark.

600 points is still a LOT for Ana's standards right now.. she will be unseeded.. might meet anyone in the first round at Stuttgart and Madrid.. and anyone in the second round of Rome. She just might take on Azarenka in the first round of Stuttgart, Dementieva in the second round of Rome, and Henin in the first round of Madrid. Who would bet on Ana for a win? That would be 4 matches before RG, just one more than last year, and in a whole lot more need for points. She has gone 0-6 against top 10 since Linz 2008, and she is playing worse than ever right now. 600 points would mean she had to make at least QFs in all 3 tournaments. Ana has made 1 QF since IW 2009, and that was MM Brisbane. Ana has 315 points in 4 tournaments this year.. there is no reason to think she will suddenly get 600 points in 3 tournaments.. even more so being unseeded.
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Ana must to play Marbella or Estoril or strasbourg or ponte Vedra Beach!!!
She must stop acting as if she was in the top5. she should play more (small) tournaments

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i think Ana is scared of overtraining for fitness like she did with scott and i think she partly blames that for her injuries and that's why she fired him... so i don't expect her fitness to improve at all in the short term. However in 2006-2007 even chubby she was a top-20 player so she could still get good results even if unfit. I agree the best thing for her now is just playing matches, singles and doubles, she did that after US Open 2008 and it somehow worked

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Maybe they can do a WAG tracker. I'm sure April would be full of events..
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Maybe they can do a WAG tracker. I'm sure April would be full of events..
Either way I'm happy to see you back.
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i think Ana is scared of overtraining for fitness like she did with scott and i think she partly blames that for her injuries and that's why she fired him... so i don't expect her fitness to improve at all in the short term. However in 2006-2007 even chubby she was a top-20 player so she could still get good results even if unfit. I agree the best thing for her now is just playing matches, singles and doubles, she did that after US Open 2008 and it somehow worked
Yes, you are probably right Luca. But back in 2005/06/07, Ana hada free mind... she was playing fearless tennis, which isn't the case now. So she should be doing anything to help her get back to form, and get her any sort of confidence and self belief. Instead, I always get the sense she is afraid to play tennis, and that deep down she doesn't want to be playing. Back in 2008, Ana loaded her schedule and she actually was able to play well for a couple of tournaments.. it somehow worked as you say, but back then she still seemed like she wanted to be playing.
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Either way I'm happy to see you back.
I'm bored...

And this past week, I've begin to feel a bit of pity for Ana. I still think her attitude sucks, that she is running away from her problems, and she is getting what is fair for having been so unprofessional for so long.. but I've begin to think she is completely lost, and has no idea what to do.. all a big mess.

But well.. as long as Ana doesn't change her attitude completely.. and positions herself in another way towards here career.. recommits.. I'm sure things will just keep going down the drain.. because even if they are bad now, they can always get worse. Ana should realize that and stop waiting for good things to suddenly fall from the sky.

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I'm bored...

And this past week, I've begin to feel a bit of pity for Ana. I still think her attitude sucks, that she is running away from her problems, and she is getting what is fair for having been so unprofessional for so long.. but I've begin to think she is completely lost, and has no idea what to do.. all a big mess.

But well.. as long as Ana doesn't change her attitude completely.. and positions herself in another way towards here career.. recommits.. I'm sure things will just keep going down the drain.. because even if they are bad now, they can always get worse. Ana should realize that and stop waiting for good things to suddenly fall from the sky.
Hey,AYE welcomed you back a couple weeks ago...with a hug...and you didn't say jack!!....That's okay,because true friendship doesn't make lots of selfish demands,so I'm sure you'll get around to it eventually

I agree that Ana is still mostly a mess...and that's reflected by the losers/hindrances-to-success that she hangs around in her freetime.However,I feel that she IS slowly realizing what the problem is,thanks to Heinz...and could be back on track next year.......Honestly,Ana has been sort of emotionally immature her whole life so,even though we'd like to see the maturity process speed up for her benefit,it rarely accelerates quickly.

Again,if she just goes for her shots w/o thinking a lot,she MIGHT pick up a few cheap wins just with her physical talent.She won't beat elite players,but she can avoid long losing streaks that could sap her confidence greatly

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Hey,AYE welcomed you back a couple weeks ago...with a hug...and you didn't say jack!!....That's okay,because true friendship doesn't make lots of selfish demands,so I'm sure you'll get around to it eventually

I agree that Ana is still mostly a mess...and that's reflected by the losers/hindrances-to-success that she hangs around in her freetime.However,I feel that she IS slowly realizing what the problem is,thanks to Heinz...and could be back on track next year.......Honestly,Ana has been sort of emotionally immature her whole life so,even though we'd like to see the maturity process speed up for her benefit,it rarely accelerates quickly.

Again,if she just goes for her shots w/o thinking a lot,she MIGHT pick up a few cheap wins just with her physical talent.She won't beat elite players,but she can avoid long losing streaks that could sap her confidence greatly
Sorry Bruce!

Thank for the welcome! I'm not entirely back though.. I'm still pissed and disappointed..

As for the rest of the post, I don't think anything has changed at all yet..
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Ana announce just week ago that in april will play in Sttutgart and on Porsche Open official site she is already listed like Wilde Card player of this event. But I also notice that this event is removed from Ana's "Tour Tracker" and that last week news about Ana's decision to compete there is deleted from Ana official site in meantime from some unknown reasons

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Ana announce just week ago that in april will play in Sttutgart and on Porsche Open official site she is already listed like Wilde Card player of this event. But I also notice that this event is removed from Ana's "Tour Tracker" and that last week news about Ana's decision to compete there is deleted from Ana official site in meantime from some unknown reasons
Ana never announced she would play Stuttgart, and this event was never in her "Tour Tracker". The only source we had that she entered Stuttgart was a press article and the player list for the tournament. Nothing on Ana's web.
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