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As for the rest.. I don't even know what to say.. Ana as the new Allester is simply a completely hilarious idea to me. And to be honest.. seriously.. once her ranking is so low she can't even get into main draws of 50K challengers, she won't be asked to do that much modelling or to promote anything..

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Yeah Luca.. that she is in love it's pretty obvious.. that she lost her mind too.. and of course, her priorities are nowhere near a tennis court. I mean.. look at Clijsters.. with her husband and baby daughter.. winning Miami and going straight to Marbella to play on clay. The day after JJ lost her match in Miami I read she wrote on facebook she was already in Bolletieri's practicing on green clay for Charleston.. And these are people who could have taken a week off to rest, they are playing well and have done some winning recently. No.. totally professional, practicing and focused. Ana on the other hand, can't win if her life depended on it.. has been playing abysmal tennis.. and what does she do in the first opportunity? Take a week off to WAG. She might even have been carrying that huge purse of hers on her injured shoulder like in Australia last year.. wouldn't surprise me..

You know.. it's just disappointing.. I mean.. since she is this much in love, she could follow on Adam's example at least.. He doesn't leave his practice sessions to watch her play tennis.. He played well last week.. But nooo.. she just has to follow him everywhere.

You mention Verdasco.. while I do agree Ana has her head on men and not on tennis, at least back in late 2008 she was trying to play.. She added Moscow, played doubles.. she was trying.. and got there her MM title.. the last one she has won..

Maybe we should even look at his schedule to see when she will lose her matches.. I mean.. just crossed my mind.. maybe deep down in her subconcious she doesn't really want to win and have to play another match, because that would prevent her from taking a week off and go WAGing..

I was just reading the off season thread.. I said something that I keep thinking is spot on. When Ana started to WAG left and right I said it really didn't matter how much she practiced, it would produce no effect other then keeping her concience cool since she would be telling herself she was trying. Because truth is, she is not serious about this, she is not focused, she doesn't have her head, heart and soul into tennis. She has her head, heart and soul into something else.. and while she keeps things that way, doesn't matter if she has a great coach or if he makes her practice... she won't have that edge that separates a challenger player to someone in the top 20. It's the will to win that makes a great player.. and Ana has absolutely none of that at the moment.

I have to say I hate to have been so right.. ugh.. Reading back.. people were telling me stuff left and right.. that we should wait... this and that.. blablabla.. Happened just as I feared.. Hate this!
I think you summarized it well, it's a little edge between challenger players and top players, it probably mainly comes down to dedication and focus. When she says she obsesses too much about tennis etc., what I get is that she doesn't want to be a top player because that requires that level of "obsession" and dedication.
The good thing is that she can change that quickly, she is still doing the basic works and practices at least while for example vaidisova wasn't even practicing. The bad thing is that the more time she is in this level, the more it will take for her to go to the top when/if she decides to do it.

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I believd it for a second. Actually went to her homepage and refreshed it a few times looking for a new idary entry. How sad is that?



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You know what I think of her management. They're tools. I don't think they will ever wake up and realize that practice and match play are two different animals. I still get a kick out of Gavin making such a big deal about Ana beating a top 5 player (Kuznetsova) during a practice match at IW. It's practice!!! Not a game, not game, as another AI would say. I don't care if she double bageled Serena Williams in practice, it makes no difference. They been saying how great she is in practice over a year now but the results continue to get worse. I don't doubt that she plays well in practice, but it doesn't translate to success in real matches. In the end, it of course comes down to Ana who makes the ultimate decisions, but the people around her are not a good influence. She needs tennis people, not marketing people. Her management in my opinion are more concerned about selling her then making her a better tennis player. Masha's team knows how to do both at the same time. Wish Ana had people like that.
totally agree, her management has priorities completely skewed, i hope they will stop ask ana or contracts and endorsements if she falls lower

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I agree with Curtis,Ana has marketing people around her,but she will never fire Holzman-she is just to grateful.Her mother can`t help her either,quiting or playing tennis was always Ana`s decision.Last year,when she lost to Bondarenko or Safarova,Dragana came to locker room and saw Ana crying."Why are you crying?Tennis should make you happy.What is the point of playing if you feel so miserable?"And,then again,when Ana did her first topless photos for SI (South African edition) she was just 16 years old.Dragana allowed that,she was there with Ana,watcing her under age,half-naked daughter posing.Did that help Ana`s career? Gavin said:"I wouldn`t allow Ana to do anything what she find uncomfortable",and yet,he was there,standing over her,watcing her,when she was posing for SI.
And about sports fashion...things have changed.Adidas would want someone who is actually performing in order to help sell its products.Message is-if you wear or use our clothes-then you will be performing at an optimum level.But who would buy Henin`s skirt if you can wear Ana`s dress...and she`s looking good while promoting the clothes.
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Adam Scott is now on twitter. He just joined. Maybe he can convince Ana to join too.

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Wow!A lot of good posts and good points,but I'm a little worn out from the long drive back home to Mexico after a family mega-crisis...so let me TRY to be brief

Though we,as fans,have no right or power to choreograph Ana's personal life,it's sad that she's missing out on REAL love while being stuck with the manure-smelling counterfeit she has now.Just look at the HUGE contrast between Clijsters and Ana....One is coping well with married life AND motherhood with the support of a man who truly loves her...the other has a slimy playboy bf who manipulates her into flushing her God-given talent down the toilet in order to give his fragile ego a boost as his trophy gf.I've never met a woman who experienced true love while having her confidence and self-esteem at almost rock bottom,and Ana doesn't seem to break this rule,either.She reminds me SOOO much of an alcoholic who gets his/her quick escapist fix,is 'happy' for an instant...and then sinks into a pit once the buzz wears off

....Back to the drug issue for a sec,do you suppose that Hingis started powdering her nose before or after Stepanek?And now that Nicole doesn't get tested in her sad retirement,do you suppose she's 'followed in Hingis' footsteps'.Given the A.A.T.'s close connection with Hollywood AND the Aussie surfing scene,it wouldn't surprise me anymore to discover that Ana tested positive for coke.In fact,that might be an added incentive for her to skip certain tournaments,and lessen the likelihood of testing,while she lets the drug flush out of her system and avoids an embarrassing 1-year ban.I was unfair to Anna K. when I referred to the A.A.T. as the male Kournikova of golf.Anna won a couple ITF tourneys back in 1996 and even made the semis of a Slam---plus won some Slam Doubles titles.On the contrary,the douchebag is pretty much useless outside of his occasional ITF 5K-caliber golf wins.For HIM,against the Big Boys,a successful Masters would mean that he didn't accidentally jam his putter halfway up his rectumGood luck with THAT,Adam Sucks(he just changed his name)One day,you'll challenge John Lloyd as biggest loser-parasite companion of a WTA great

Right now,I'm holding out hope in Heinz's integrity;when Ana fired Kardon,virtually everyone looked to HIM as the source of the problem.If Heinz is as candid about Ana as he was with Dokic,then our sweetie will face potential humiliation if Heinz comes out and says that Ana simply gave up.NO ONE will believe her excuses if she fires Heinz b/c he challenged her commitment.Many haters have resorted to laughing at Ana since she no longer poses a 'threat' to them;how terrible it would be if Ana missed out on her goals of helping people due to her losing all credibility as an athlete.Perhaps Ana will contemplate the ramifications if Heinz DOES throw down the challenge mentioned above.On occasion,a major event will cause an alcoholic to sober up and take control;let's pray that Ana can receive a similar impactful wake-up call....Such talent wasn't meant to be wasted(sigh)

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Just found this on belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad:



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Dubbelt Clijsters met Ivanovic in Stuttgart?

Mogelijk gaat Kim Clijsters in Stuttgart (24 april tot 2 mei) dubbelen met Ana Ivanovic. ‘Ze heeft het me gevraagd’, aldus Kim. ‘Ik moet het nog bekijken. Ik weet ook nog niet of ik in Marbella ga dubbelen met Kirsten Flipkens, want de dingen waaraan ik wil schaven zijn moeilijk te oefenen in dubbelspel.’ (WAW)
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Clijsters doubles with Ivanovic in Stuttgart?

Kim Clijsters is possible in Stuttgart (April 24 to May 2) doubles with Ana Ivanovic. "She asked me," said Kim. "I still watch. I know not whether I go in Marbella doubles with Kirsten Flipkens, because the things I want to polish its hard to practice in doubles. "(WAW)
So Ana asked Kim.. but she is still thinking about it..

In related news, Henin has just commited to Stuttgart. Amazing field for the tournament... which sucks for Ana.. with her WAGing ways and lack of match play, she doesn't have much of a chance against anyone on the entry list.
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I think you summarized it well, it's a little edge between challenger players and top players, it probably mainly comes down to dedication and focus. When she says she obsesses too much about tennis etc., what I get is that she doesn't want to be a top player because that requires that level of "obsession" and dedication.
The good thing is that she can change that quickly, she is still doing the basic works and practices at least while for example vaidisova wasn't even practicing. The bad thing is that the more time she is in this level, the more it will take for her to go to the top when/if she decides to do it.
It's a lot harder to fix the head when it's screwed like Ana's then to fix something specific in the game. This is going on for 2 years already... and she has let it go so far that her whole game is shattered. She has completely neglected it.. I mean.. we look at her, and her footwork sucks, her forehand sucks, her serve sucks, her backhand sucks, she is out of form... And she will only be able to improve any of it when she manages to get her head right back into tennis, because right now she can practice 24/7 (which she is obviously not doing, since she is going WAGing left and right) that without focus it will lead to nothing.. so looooong loooooong way.. As you say, the longer it takes the harder it is.

And I often have the feeling that Ana did obssess with tennis in an unhealthy way when she had the thumb injury... but she didn't deal with it with maturity.. instead she got a huge trauma.. so much that now she pushes tennis away.. She needed to recommit and be 100% focused.. but she sees that as an obssession, which has a hugely negative conotation in her head, even though in reality it's a good thing for a professional athlete. She is scared to death to get obssessed as she was during the thumb injury, and can't seem to think there is a middle solution.. she just pushes tennis away and tries to fill her life of anything non-tennis. And that kills her as a top player.. kills any edge she might have had in the past. Ana is too stubborn and has no good guidance. No wonder she is this lost and has flushed her career down the toilet.
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Oh Izzy, your ability to find information is incredible


It's looking like our beloved Serb won't even win a round in Stuttgart

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It's a lot harder to fix the head when it's screwed like Ana's then to fix something specific in the game. This is going on for 2 years already... and she has let it go so far that her whole game is shattered. She has completely neglected it.. I mean.. we look at her, and her footwork sucks, her forehand sucks, her serve sucks, her backhand sucks, she is out of form... And she will only be able to improve any of it when she manages to get her head right back into tennis, because right now she can practice 24/7 (which she is obviously not doing, since she is going WAGing left and right) that without focus it will lead to nothing.. so looooong loooooong way.. As you say, the longer it takes the harder it is.

And I often have the feeling that Ana did obssess with tennis in an unhealthy way when she had the thumb injury... but she didn't deal with it with maturity.. instead she got a huge trauma.. so much that now she pushes tennis away.. She needed to recommit and be 100% focused.. but she sees that as an obssession, which has a hugely negative conotation in her head, even though in reality it's a good thing for a professional athlete. She is scared to death to get obssessed as she was during the thumb injury, and can't seem to think there is a middle solution.. she just pushes tennis away and tries to fill her life of anything non-tennis. And that kills her as a top player.. kills any edge she might have had in the past. Ana is too stubborn and has no good guidance. No wonder she is this lost and has flushed her career down the toilet.
you should be a writer, your posts are always so dramatic

But yes that's basically it, i agree. She is still trying to find a balance between unhealthy obsession (i.e. when she's injured and can't play can't take her mind of tennis) and neglect. I hope she will...

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And I often have the feeling that Ana did obssess with tennis in an unhealthy way when she had the thumb injury... but she didn't deal with it with maturity.. instead she got a huge trauma.. so much that now she pushes tennis away.. She needed to recommit and be 100% focused.. but she sees that as an obssession, which has a hugely negative conotation in her head, even though in reality it's a good thing for a professional athlete. She is scared to death to get obssessed as she was during the thumb injury, and can't seem to think there is a........"middle solution"...........she just pushes tennis away and tries to fill her life of anything non-tennis. And that kills her as a top player.. kills any edge she might have had in the past. Ana is too stubborn and has no good guidance. No wonder she is this lost and has flushed her career down the toilet.
The term is "middle GROUND",Izzy,but I agree with what you've posted here.Compulsive,immature people have a hard time figuring out subtle,well-reasoned solutions;they usually either gravitate to one extreme or the other.Can we ALSO agree that Ana learned NOTHING about problem-solving during her youth...and that she uses her poorly-controlled,base emotions to guide her through conflicts.

You said that Ana's modeling opportunities would dry up if her career became a complete joke;could this also happen with Ana's goals in re helping children if she became little more than a punchline???

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Ana's gonna lose 1st round in every tournament she enters unless she stops her moronic WAGging, starts practising and enters some smaller events!

She's as far from being overtrained as anyone can be! If she ever comes with the "scared of getting injured" excuse again... Actually, I don't wanna hear any of her many excuses anymore. I'm sick of it. It's always the same old sh!t.
It's delusional, phoney, dishonest and mind-numbingly pathetic!

Let's hope she finds a doubles partner and doesn't scratch the idea incase Kim won't play with her! This has probably been the only decent idea Ana and her team had in quite some time!

And when I say I want her to play doubles, I don't mean her hopping in bed with Adam!

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Ana's gonna lose 1st round in every tournament she enters unless she stops her moronic WAGging, starts practising and enters some smaller events!

She's as far from being overtrained as anyone can be! If she ever comes with the "scared of getting injured" excuse again... Actually, I don't wanna hear any of her many excuses anymore. I'm sick of it. It's always the same old sh!t.
It's delusional, phoney, dishonest and mind-numbingly pathetic!

Let's hope she finds a doubles partner and doesn't scratch the idea incase Kim won't play with her! This has probably been the only decent idea Ana and her team had in quite some time!

And when I say I want her to play doubles, I don't mean her hopping in bed with Adam!

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Don't give Ana any subtle ideas,Maja;she MIGHT think of them as 'sweet destiny'

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Ana has talent, skills and weapons to be (again) one of dominant players on WTA tour, but I don't think it's good idea to push her too much for much better results before she is mentally ready to give at least 75% of her abilities. I understand why people here already lose patience and even hope (her epic slump now is longer than her career TOP10 period ), but too much disappointments at this point will be worst case scenario for Ana chances to give up. Best thing about Ana for me right now IMO is fact that she still have own perception about herself "I'm professional tennis player", and that is different if we compare her case with for example Vaidisova free-fall or 2004-2007 Dokic case which both since one point so obviously really don't care about tennis. Ana family, management, level of her coaches, sponsors, schedule...etc... is same, or almost same like she was GS champion and WTA#1, so only who is really changed is Ana herself So no need to blame anybody else for this disaster, including A.Scott (or Verdasco in past).

Actually by my point of view, as fans we should be way more happy than irritated if Ana is really so happy in her (off-court) private life like she try to present When I following Monica Seles it's so frustrating to see in middle of 90's how she must handle such big problems on and off courts. After that Hamburg incident and long pause after, Monica is never able to be even close mentally strong and focused on court like before that, and than, together with that she must to face with her father cancer problems (he died in 1998), which is most important person in her professional career (and private life also). So at least in Ana case all "off-court" things seems almost perfect (source: Ana) and this current professional disaster not damage too much even her $$$ per year, which is really rare case in sport.

So please let's be more positive, patient, exciting and optimistic about Ana
If even her biggest fans lose all hopes and without any expectations even now before start of her favorite claycourt season... I really hope that Ana not reading all this posts. If she not make comeback and big improvement on clay, it will be real disaster. I don't give her support to stay now in USA instead to prepare herself for Europian red clay season, but on other hand we must admit that her claycourt schedule is not that bad at all and she will works with one of elite WTA coaches. So let's see what will happen... and than to cry if she give us again reasons.



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please change this thread title in something different (for example Clay is Ana Ivanovic best friend: Time to make it happen!) because definition of Ana Ivanovic just like "sucky server" is wrong, even disrespectful, and which is worst, generate much more depressing posts here than we needs right now.

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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