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post #61 of 5005 (permalink) Old Jun 3rd, 2011, 08:01 PM
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So what am I supposed to do now?



I think that I have to change the results if that's an "official" statement.

I'm in no position to make official statements. Just giving my opinion.

Official statement should be made by Chris 84, Meelis, Sexysova, joe87 and In The Zone who form TT board!

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post #62 of 5005 (permalink) Old Jun 3rd, 2011, 08:20 PM
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Re: "Ask the board" thread!

Chris 84 said that it wasn't crazylace01's fault but I don't really think that my deadline was irregular.

Like you said, the rule is kind of conflicting.

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i'll send a pm to the other board members.
i will also reccommend that we choose a new deadline. either it is when the matches are schduled to start, or the manager has complete discretion. we will add that to the rules thread when we make a decision.

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ok. thanks

Just tell me what to do when you PM'ed the other members

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Chris 84 said that it wasn't crazylace01's fault but I don't really think that my deadline was irregular.

Like you said, the rule is kind of conflicting.
The OOP for Rome was up 13 hours before the dealine of the tournament. Everyone had plenty of time to send their picks.

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ok. thanks
if this isn't resolved tonight, then go with what i said and lacey's picks count. the rules will be changed asap so that this situation does not occur again.

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Ok this is not right. If the OOP is posted and the dealine is before the actual matches start. Then that is what matters. You can not accept any further PM's from players who haven't respected the managers deadline.

Once the diffs are posted, it's unreal that somebody can still post their diffs for that particular round. Yes you don't see how your opponent picked but you see what the majority picked and make your picks on that.

Also I think it puts the manager in a really bad position having to be forced to post the diffs on time even if they're not available at that time. It's difficult enough to run a tournament, because players don't respect the rules on how to send in their picks and organizing everything from scratch, now we get screwed with the deadline?? I have never heard anyone complain about the deadline before when it has been before the first match starts. Everyone has accepted that and respected the time. I am sorry that Lacey sent after the deadline, but those should not have been counted.
maybe nobody has complained about it before, but imo, as the rules stand, they state that although the deadline is set by the manager, it must be the time of the first match.
and managers aren't getting screwed in any way. it is not compulsory to post diffs, and if a manager cannot do it, then everyone has to respect that. we have tried to make it so that the tournaments suit the managers based on the timezones, but that is not always possible.

keisuke did nothing wrong in trying to make an early deadline in order to post diffs. it is something plenty of managers have done in the past, and is something which is appreciated by players if it allows diffs to be shown early. i'm simply reading the rules as they are written. is it a bad rule? maybe. but imo, the rule says that the deadline is at the time play is scheduled to start.

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The OOP for Rome was up 13 hours before the dealine of the tournament. Everyone had plenty of time to send their picks.
yes, they did, but that isn't the point

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Either way I respect whatever decision is made. I simply forgot to send, no excuses about it.

But I do believe that the deadline needs to be set for when matches start. Not that I'm accusing anyone of doing this, but who's to say how much a manager can mess with the deadline? If play starts at 10am and I set a deadline for 6am just because I won't be around at 10, that could be seen as giving a shorter deadline to my opponents (if I'm playing) to give myself an advantage. As a player and an occasional manager, I'd rather have diffs LATE and be able to send up to the start of play than have diffs early and not have the full time to send.

Plus, not to mention, what if someone were to just look at the official OOP and base their picking on that? I'd always understood the rule to be that the deadline was when play started, so if I were referencing that rule I'd be late too, even though I technically wasn't.

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maybe nobody has complained about it before, but imo, as the rules stand, they state that although the deadline is set by the manager, it must be the time of the first match.
and managers aren't getting screwed in any way. it is not compulsory to post diffs, and if a manager cannot do it, then everyone has to respect that. we have tried to make it so that the tournaments suit the managers based on the timezones, but that is not always possible.

keisuke did nothing wrong in trying to make an early deadline in order to post diffs. it is something plenty of managers have done in the past, and is something which is appreciated by players if it allows diffs to be shown early. i'm simply reading the rules as they are written. is it a bad rule? maybe. but imo, the rule says that the deadline is at the time play is scheduled to start.



yes, they did, but that isn't the point
as stated previously, the rule is conflicting.

There is no must on the rule and being separated by a comma it gives you 2 options

Matter of interpretation.

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well whatever, im glad that extremaduratenis and crazylace are good sports about it and will accept either decision.

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Well, I have sent picks yet, you will tell us
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nobody has replied to my pm yet, and i have to go offline. send your picks, but whether they are counted or not depends on the opinion of the other board members. sorry for all the confusion.

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Any news? Sexysova told to me by P.M. but don't know about the rest of the Board....
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Can you post what Sexysova said in the PM? I'm tired of this fruitless chit-chat, and it would be nice to know who I'm playing against before the final day
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maybe nobody has complained about it before, but imo, as the rules stand, they state that although the deadline is set by the manager, it must be the time of the first match.
and managers aren't getting screwed in any way. it is not compulsory to post diffs, and if a manager cannot do it, then everyone has to respect that. we have tried to make it so that the tournaments suit the managers based on the timezones, but that is not always possible.

keisuke did nothing wrong in trying to make an early deadline in order to post diffs. it is something plenty of managers have done in the past, and is something which is appreciated by players if it allows diffs to be shown early. i'm simply reading the rules as they are written. is it a bad rule? maybe. but imo, the rule says that the deadline is at the time play is scheduled to start.



yes, they did, but that isn't the point
Chris, I agree with your interpretation of the current rules, but in this particular case, the manager had already posted the diffs at the deadline time stated in the OOP, so how can late picks be accepted because Lacey could have gained an unfair advantange by seeing the picks of other players?

Yes, there is an issue to resolve with the wording of the rules, but the board has to look at this case on its own merit and decide whether one player could have gained an advantage by sending picks after the diffs have been posted. If the board think that an unfair advantage could have been gained in this particular case, then the picks cannot be accepted IMOH.
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