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Chris in the 70s, this is exactly how I want to play with a wood racquet:

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A glam pic of Chris from 2008


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Chris in the 70s, this is exactly how I want to play with a wood racquet:

Wow! That's how tennis was meant to be played. Evert's passing shots are by far the most deadly the game has ever known. I am amazed by the precision. Especially the two-hander. Great play by Wade. Court looked overwhelmed by Chrissie. Watching Evonne is like watching a master artist paint.
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Had the pleasure of running into Chris during the Open a few times this year. She was exceptionally sweet.
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Yes, Preacherfan... Court did look overwhelmed and outmatched against Evert. By the time this match was played in 1975, Court was past her best and simply no match for Evert who was clearly dictating the play.
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Wow! That's how tennis was meant to be played. Evert's passing shots are by far the most deadly the game has ever known. I am amazed by the precision. Especially the two-hander. Great play by Wade. Court looked overwhelmed by Chrissie. Watching Evonne is like watching a master artist paint.
No great in our sport was ever so dependent on returns, passes and lobs for her success as Evert. When she first arrived, 3 of four majors was played on fast grass, and throughout her years, indoor carpet was the most popular surface for tournaments in Europe and the States. Serve and volley, chip and charge were the dominant tactics and had been for two generations. The last number one to play baseline was Connolly in the early 1950s.

As a newbie she passed and beat a prime Court, King, Wade, Goolagong, Melville, and Casals. Mid career she passed and beat Turnbull, Navratilova, Mandlikova, Sukova, Shriver, Kohde Kilch Sukova, Jordan and Garrison.

My point is she had to do this against great and very fine net rushers round after round after round in tournament after tournament. She did not win a lot of points with her big serve. She did not charge forth on either serves or returns and only occasionally took the net away in rallies. She owes a huge percentage of her points through her 19 year career, to tactics and shots employed against someone coming to or standing at the net.

Yet it is Evert with the astonishing consistency records of her era. She has that 90% win/loss record on the pro tour and 88% win loss at majors.

Despite all those varied, agile accomplished, versatile and powerful net rushers attacking her serve, from 1971 through 1989, this clay court specialist reached the semifinals or better in 26 of 27 attempts in a major played on grass and 15 finals

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So happy you got your Evert fix bionic71!



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No great in our sport was ever so dependent on returns, passes and lobs for her success as Evert. When she first arrived, 3 of four majors was played on fast grass, and throughout her years, indoor carpet was the most popular surface for tournaments in Europe and the States. Serve and volley, chip and charge were the dominant tactics and had been for two generations. The last number one to play baseline was Connolly in the early 1950s.

As a newbie she passed and beat a prime Court, King, Wade, Goolagong, Melville, and Casals. Mid career she passed and beat Turnbull, Navratilova, Mandlikova, Sukova, Shriver, Kohde Kilch Sukova, Jordan and Garrison.

My point is she had to do this against great and very fine net rushers round after round after round in tournament after tournament. She did not win a lot of points with her big serve. She did not charge forth on either serves or returns and only occasionally took the net away in rallies. She owes a huge percentage of her points through her 19 year career, to tactics and shots employed against someone coming to or standing at the net.

Yet it is Evert with the astonishing consistency records of her era. She has that 90% win/loss record on the pro tour and 88% win loss at majors.

Despite all those varied, agile accomplished, versatile and powerful net rushers attacking her serve, from 1971 through 1989, this clay court specialist reached the semifinals or better in 26 of 27 attempts in a major played on grass and 15 finals
Spot on. She did all of what you have written on surfaces that were, for the most part, non-friendly.

Watching some of the old matches on carpet between Chris and Evonne Goolagong is a huge delight. The carpet put a premium on power and attack. As a result Chris volleys more on carpet in the late 70s more than any other era IMO.


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It's interesting to read about how 70s players talked about Evert's power. I remember reading a quote by Kerry Reid, who was known for strong groundstrokes. She commented about how Evert had started hitting the ball even harder while she was still a teen and no one could match her. In this day of 6 ft tall baseliners and high tech rackets, we think of Evert as all consistency/no power. But in the 70s, no one could match what she did from the baseline.

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True that, Preacherfan, and I think that for as much as Chrissie has made snide remarks about her weight gain in the mid to late '70s, I'm pretty sure that extra weight allowed her to wallop her shots that much harder. Especially when you consider the fact that in the early '80s after she lost weight (pre-graphite) BJK talked about how her shots were not as hard as they used to be. I think that much in the same way that Bartoli always stayed a bit heavier than she would've liked to add some oomph to her groundies, the extra weight did much the same thing back in the day for Chrissie, especially before the advent of graphite.
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whatever she lost in power on her groundstrokes, she made up (in evert's own words) for it in speed around the court... don't know about that...evert in 80 and 81 was pretty speedy and it was her anticipation and footwork that was unmatched...


i think this "lessening" of power in her groundstrokes was mainly in 82 and 83.. when she was her lightest.. watching matches in 82 and 83 you could see opponents were able to attack her more and with the other baseliners she was quite having to "counter punch".. course she still won against everyone but martina in 83 and the rare loss to jaeger in early 82 (but never again after the 82 french) and others, but you CAN see that the lighter weight did NOT help her out i don't think..thankfully she did a 180 degree turn and she "bulked up for her" with the weights and gained lean muscle, and switched to the graphite... starting in 84 to the end of her career.. NO ONE could say evert wasn't hitting the ball harder then she ever did...
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Spot on. She did all of what you have written on surfaces that were, for the most part, non-friendly.

Watching some of the old matches on carpet between Chris and Evonne Goolagong is a huge delight. The carpet put a premium on power and attack. As a result Chris volleys more on carpet in the late 70s more than any other era IMO.
You are right that she attacked the net more on carpet, but she became an absolute 'all-courter' when she played Evonne. I am not sure why, but something in Evonne's game or presence made Evert play far more boldly and imaginatively, than when she played King or Court or Wade.
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Wow! That's how tennis was meant to be played. Evert's passing shots are by far the most deadly the game has ever known. I am amazed by the precision. Especially the two-hander. Great play by Wade. Court looked overwhelmed by Chrissie. Watching Evonne is like watching a master artist paint.
Yeah I love those passing shots. The concentration it would've required to do that with wood racquets.

Evonne's movement is really something else. She's not balletic or dramatic like Lenglen, hers was an easy grace that one can't buy. It's just such a core part of her movement and what made her great.

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commentators used to suggest that the way to beat her was to attack the net. Problem was players fell regardless. There is no statistical basis to see her a more vulnerable to net-rushers. Only one of the above mentioned great net chargers she played against has a winning record over her.
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