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WT 15 Apr 1985 to 21 Apr 1985 Entry : DA Clay (O)
Chris EVERT (USA) / Carling BASSETT (CAN)
32 W CASALS (USA) / KING (USA) 6-7 6-2 6-1
16 W MONTEIRO (BRA) / VERMAAK (RSA) 7-5 6-3
QF W HANIKA (FRG) / TEMESVARI (HUN) 6-4 6-7 6-3
SF W GARRISON (USA) / MC NEIL (USA) 0-6 7-6 6-4
FR L FAIRBANK (RSA) / MANDLIKOVA (TCH) 1-6 6-2 2-6
So help me out here- they lost in the finals to Roz Fairbank (one of my favs) and Mandlikova?

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hana had to beat her SOMEWHERE! well, actually, chris has made little mystery of the fact that she did not go out of her way to NOT lose the doubles once past the quarters, because she wanted to focus on her singles once it got later in the tournament. (She didn't say she TANKED doubles matches, but just that she did not pursue their end, let's say, with the same ferocity as in singles.) And case in point, she lost that singles final to zina garrison, which was quite an unusual event, especially on clay. (this was also the tournament where chrissie and gabriella sabatini had their 2nd career clash in a beautiful QF match that chris won 6-1, 1-6, 6-3.) Chris had just beaten gabby at the family circle cup a few weeks earlier after sabatini broke onto the international tennis scene, herself BEATING garrison, shriver, and maleeva -- all 3 seeded players--plus kathy horvath (another established clay courter)--and MIRACULOUSLY finishing the QF against Shriver first thing Saturday morning, having cereal, beating manuela maleeva in the semi (a VERY tough clay court player at the time) at 10 am, followed by more cereal, and then played chris at 1 pm infront of a national televised audience for the final. she put up a good fight, 6-4 in the first, but then chris rolled 6-0 in the second. they did ask gabriella if she wanted to fit the 3rd match in (which many thought was terribly unfair for this little 14-year old girl from argentina), but she said yes. So this confrontation at amelia in the QF was a big big deal...both were feeling out each others game and testing the waters for what would become a very interesting minor rivalry.

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So help me out here- they lost in the finals to Roz Fairbank (one of my favs) and Mandlikova?
Here is the complete dubs draw of that event:
http://www.itftennis.com/womens/tour...ent=1020000204
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hana had to beat her SOMEWHERE! well, actually, chris has made little mystery of the fact that she did not go out of her way to NOT lose the doubles once past the quarters, because she wanted to focus on her singles once it got later in the tournament. (She didn't say she TANKED doubles matches, but just that she did not pursue their end, let's say, with the same ferocity as in singles.) And case in point, she lost that singles final to zina garrison, which was quite an unusual event, especially on clay. (this was also the tournament where chrissie and gabriella sabatini had their 2nd career clash in a beautiful QF match that chris won 6-1, 1-6, 6-3.) Chris had just beaten gabby at the family circle cup a few weeks earlier after sabatini broke onto the international tennis scene, herself BEATING garrison, shriver, and maleeva -- all 3 seeded players--plus kathy horvath (another established clay courter)--and MIRACULOUSLY finishing the QF against Shriver first thing Saturday morning, having cereal, beating manuela maleeva in the semi (a VERY tough clay court player at the time) at 10 am, followed by more cereal, and then played chris at 1 pm infront of a national televised audience for the final. she put up a good fight, 6-4 in the first, but then chris rolled 6-0 in the second. they did ask gabriella if she wanted to fit the 3rd match in (which many thought was terribly unfair for this little 14-year old girl from argentina), but she said yes. So this confrontation at amelia in the QF was a big big deal...both were feeling out each others game and testing the waters for what would become a very interesting minor rivalry.
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Ah, some of it was memory, but some of it was a memory-jar i got watching the "Evert the Destroyer" tape they have at chrisevert.net - just witchy stuff on there! But thanks, I try.

But I am preparing an incredible new entry...it will take a few days. i heard a commentator from the 75 us open saying chris had lost only 4 sets on clay in the last 74 matches...something crazy like that. So I am going to try and trace how many SETS she actually lost during that 125-match (6-year long) winning streak on clay. I was always blown away by the 125 match wins, but to think there are almost no dropped SETS in that streak is really kind-of blowing me away.

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1973-
U.S. Clay Courts
R1) Pat Bostrom
R2) Isabel Fernandez 6-3 6-4
QF) Pat Pretorius 6-2 6-1
SF) Linda Tuero 6-0 6-0
F) Veronica Burton 6-4 6-3


Columbus
R1) Janet Haas 6-1 6-0
R2) Francoise Durr 6-0 6-2

QF) Laurie Fleming 6-4 6-0
SF) Rosie Casals 6-3 7-6

F) Margaret Court def

Virginia Slims Champs
R1) Kristien Kremmer Shaw 6-2 6-3
R2) Karen Krantzcke 6-0 6-0
QF) Julie Heldman 6-4 6-2
SF) Kerry Reid 6-1 6-2
F) Nancy Richey 6-3 6-3

1974-

Ft. Lauderdale
R1) Laurie Fleming 6-1 6-2
R2) Wendy Overton 6-0 6-3

QF) Betty Stove 6-3 6-4
SF) Rosie Casals 6-0 6-1

F) Kerry Melville defaulted

Sarasota
R1) Carrie Meyer 6-1 6-2
R2) Sue Stap 6-1 6-1

QF) Betty Stove 6-0 6-1
SF) Olga Morozova 6-2 6-0

F) Evonne Goolagong 6-4 6-0

St. Petersburg
R1) Bostrom 6-0 6-1
R2) Glynis Coles 6-1 6-3

QF) Karen Krantzcke 6-7 6-0 6-0
SF) Helga Mastoff 6-1 6-1

F) Kerry Melville Reid 6-1 6-0

Hilton Head
R1) Kerry Harris 6-1 6-2
R2) Wendy Overton defaulted
QF) Betty Stove 6-2 6-3
SF) Rosie Casals 6-1 6-0
F) Kerry Melville 6-1 6-3


Italian Open
R1) Lita Sugiarto 7-5 6-2
R2) Marie Neumannova 4-6 6-1 6-4
QF) Kuziko Sawamatsu 6-1 6-1
SF) Olga Morozova 6-1 1-6 6-0
F) Martina Navratilova 6-3 6-3

French Open
R1) Regina Marsikova 6-1 6-4
R2) Virginia Ruzici 6-2 6-3
R3) Victoria Baldovinos 6-2 6-2
QF) Julie Heldman 6-0 7-5
SF) Helga Mastoff 7-5 6-4
F) Olga Morozova 6-1 6-2

U.S. Clay Courts

R1) Helle Sparre 6-0 6-0
R2) Roberta Stark 6-2 6-2
QF) Virginia Ruzici 6-0 6-1
SF) Carrie Meyer 6-1 6-2
F) Gail Chanfreau 6-0 6-0

Canadian Open
R1) Maria Nasuelli 6-1 6-2
R2) Gail Chanfreau 6-2 6-0
QF) Laurie Tenney 6-0 6-0
SF) Kasuko Sawamatsu 6-0 6-1
F) Julie Heldman 6-0 6-3



1975-
Family Circle Cup
R1) Carrie Meyer 6-0 6-0
R2) Rosie Casals 6-1 6-0
QF) Francoise Durr 6-2 6-0
SF) Evonne Goolagong 6-1 6-1
F) Martina Navratilova 7-5 6-4


Italian Open
R1) Rosalba Vido 6-0 6-2
R2) Sue Barker 6-1 6-3
QF) Fiorella Bonicelli 6-1 6-3
SF) Mima Jausovec 6-2 6-0
F) Martina Navratilova 6-1 6-0


French Open
R1) Carmen Perea 6-2 6-2
R2) Mima Jausovec 6-2 6-3
R3) Renata Tomanova 6-3 6-2
QF) Kuzuko Sawamatsu 6-2 6-2
SF) Olga Morozova 6-4 6-0
F) Martina Navratilova 2-6 6-2 6-1


U.S. Clay Courts
R1) Paulina Peisachova 6-0 6-2
R2) Glynnis Coles 6-2 6-0
QF) Donna Ganz 6-1 6-2
SF) Nancy Richey 6-7 7-5 4-2 ret.
F) Dianne Fromholtz 6-3 6-4


Rye, New York
R1) Gail Chanfreau 6-2 6-1
R2) Mima Jausovec def.
QF) Mona Schaullau 6-0 64
SF) Margaret Court 6-3 6-3
F) Virginia Wade 6-0 6-1


U.S. Open
R1) Lesley Hunt 6-1 6-0
R2) Natasha Chmyreva 6-0 6-3
R3) Wendy Overton 6-0 6-1
QF) Kerry Melville 6-2 6-1
SF) Martina Navratilova 6-4 6-4
F) Evonne Goolagong 5-7 6-4 6-2


Orlando
R1) Janet Newberry 6-1 6-2
R2) Anna Maria Fernandez 6-1 6-4
QF) Linky Boshoff 6-2 6-2
SF) Rosie Casals 6-0 6-2
F) Martina Navratilova def.


World Invitational (Hilton Head)
R1) Rosie Casals 6-0 6-1
F) Evonne Goolagong 6-1 6-1


1976-
Family Circle Cup
R1) Wendy Turnbull 6-2 6-1
R2) Tory Ann Fretz 6-0 6-0
QF) Betty Stove 6-4 6-4
SF) Mary Struthers 6-0 6-0
F) Kerry Melville Reid 6-2 6-2


U.S. Open
R1) Greer Stevens 6-1 6-0
R2) Glynis Coles 6-0 6-0
R3) Sue Barker 6-1 6-0
QF) Natahsa Chmyreva 6-1 6-2
SF) Mima Jausovec 6-3 6-1
F) Evonne Goolagong 6-3 6-0

1977-
Family Circle Cup
R1) Bunny Bruning 6-0 6-3
R2) Wendy Turnbull 6-1 6-0
QF) Kathy May 6-0 6-1
SF) Mima Jausovec 6-3 6-3

F) Billie Jean King 6-0 6-1

U.S. Open
R1) Sharon Walsh 6-1 6-0
R2) Pam Whytcross 6-0 6-0
R3) Helena Anliot 6-2 6-2
R4) Nancy Richey 6-3 6-0
QF) Billie Jean King 6-2 6-0
SF) Betty Stove 6-3 7-5
F) Wendy Turnbull 7-6 6-2

1978-
Hilton Head
R1) Beth Norton 6-1 6-0
R2) Mima Jausovec 6-0 6-1
QF) Renee Richards 6-4 6-3
SF) Tracy Austin 6-3 6-1
F) Kerry Melville Reid 6-2 6-0


1979-
Federation Cup
R1) Sylvia Hanika (German) 6-4 6-2
QF) Brigitte Simon (France) 6-0 6-0
SF) Olga Morozova (USSR) 6-4 8-6
F) Dianne Fromholtz (Aus.) 2-6 6-3 8-6


Italian Open
R1) Joanne Russell 6-1 6-2
R2) Janet Wright 6-2 6-1
QF) Ivanna Madruga-Ossess 3-6 6-1 6-4
SF) Tracy Austin 4-6 6-2 6-7 (4-5)

Evert lost a total of 10 sets, including the 2 in the loss to Austin. Not bad! 250-10 in sets, with one lost match! There are alot of 6-0, 6-1 and 6-2 sets as well, quite the clay court domination.

These results are taken from the Evert biography and were complied by the wonderfull Steve Flink.

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That is just B R U T A L ! What a great job, TennisFan75!! you missed the first score of the 125 matches, though, and i just checked the evert site: the first round of the US Clay Courts was indeed...6-0 6-0.

well, 10 sets in almost 6 years. And scores like this in the FINALS of tournaments against players like Melville 6-1 6-0, Navratilova 6-1 6-0, Wade 6-0 6-1, Goolagong 6-1 6-1 (OOo! Mixing it up, there!), Billie Jean King 6-1 6-0--these are GIANTS of the sport, no matter what the playing surface! And I wasn't aware that Chris had beaten Tracy Austin 6-3 6-1 in the clay match-up prior to the one that Tracy ended the streak with at the Italian, 7-6 in the third, (5-4 tiebreak). IMAGINE the drama at 4-all in that tie-breaker!!! The next point would determine it all.

And this is odd, because i thought our traditional tiebreaker of 12 points (plus, must win by 2) was used by the end of the 70s over this 9-point tiebreaker, where you don't even have to win by 2. Apparently not in Italy.
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"Evert the Destroyer" - what an apt title indeed!
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Thanx Tennis fan. happy that Fromholtz atleast had the closest score, 8-6 in the Fed Cup!

Chris in her bio indicated that she just about talked herself out of the Austin loss, just thinking that she wouldn't win the match.

Getting back to Chri's doubles prowess - her match with Shriver in their loss to Graf/Kodhekilsch at Fed Cup Canada was apparently one of the greatest doubles matches ever. I saw highlights of tremendous reflex rallies and from 1-6 1-4 down the frosty German pairing hauled themselves back from the win. Unfortunately Chris was broken to lose the 2nd and final set 1-6 7-5 6-4

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i have that match, and it is very exciting. But it was not bad doubles on Chris' part...she's really very good, and as you watch to 6-1 4-1, you really see pam (who's used to playing with the prowess of martina) was clearly quite impressed that, NO, she doesn't dive at balls across the net, but had THAT MUCH MORE space to create those angled passing shots with, and lobbed the players away from the net more often than not, re-establishing the team's positioning at net. She doesnt play doubles like other people (nor did she play singles like others, until all the clones came running in), but she's very good. Pam definitely looked over at her a number of times, like "Boy, I'm glad you're on MY side!"

Graf & Kohde were a bit shell-shocked because chris & pam came out very strong, they got a little cocky, and then the germans got determined and stayed focused. Graf&Kohde had played doubles for many years together, and what you see is that chris & Pam NOT having played much doubles was a factor because they COMPLETELY stopped communicating and seemed to be getting worried about blowing the lead than speaking to each other. It was a great match, though.

i admire that chris didnt really alter her game to fit the doubles mold. She does go to net more, but she continues to be chris, and loves wrapping those short angled shots at her doubles' opponent's feet with very low-to-the-net groundies, which, in doubles, she hits from INSIDE the baseline. So...I'm not saying she plays her singles game in doubles but continues to be distinctly Evertian in her approach, like any good artist.

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Chris Evert: "I just wish I had been a little tougher."

Some interesting Evert comments:

"When have No. 1 and No. 2 been so close for so long in any sport as Martina and I were? We have an incredible bond. I trust her more than any other player, and she's the most compassionate, giving person I know. After my losses she always calls --overseas, if we're in the same hotel, whatever. She searches me out. She calls when I have a big win too -- or if I have to play Steffi again the next day.

Believe me, I've (also) been critical of Martina. For a while -- when Nancy Lieberman was Martina's trainer and plotting her Kill Chris strategy back in the early 80's -- we didn't get along, but we got through that. Then there was my loss to her in the 1988 Wimbledon finals [note: should be semi-finals]. The linesman didn't call my shot out until Martina glared at him. I know it; I'll always believe it. I was mad at her for a couple of weeks. Then I told myself, Hey, it isn't worth ruining the friendship, and we were back together."

"Finally I can't avoid some regrets. I wish I had pushed myself more to learn to serve and volley. I wish I hadn't been so committed to Team Tennis in the mid-'70s and had played the French Open instead. I probably cost myself three French championships and maybe the Grand Slam in 1976, when I won Wimbledon and the US Open and dominated all year. I feel sure I would have won Paris that summer, and with three titles in the bag, I would have played the Australian open to try for the Slam, even if it meant spending Christmas away from home.

Speaking of Wimbledon, that's the bugaboo. I won it three times, in '74, '76 and '81. But I should have won it seven times. In 1975 I had Billie Jean down 3-0 in the third set in the semis, but I was going through some heavy stuff with Jimmy that year. When I looked up in the stands and saw him with Susan George, the actress, I freaked out. I just couldn't believe he would do that. I couldn't hit a ball after that and ended up losing the match. Billie Jean crushed Evonne Goolagong Cawley 6-0 6-1 in the final.

In 1977 I had Virginia Wade beaten in the semis. I was a much better player, but I let the crowd, which was rooting for Virginia because she's English, get to me. She won 6-1 in the third and then beat Betty Stove in the finals.

In 1978 I had Martina down 4-2, 40-15 in the third set in the finals, but I had met John that year. I was thinking of him on every point, I wasn't focused, and I let another golden opportunity slip away because of a relationship. Looking back, I'd rather be in love any day, but that's twice love cost me Wimbledon. I just wish I had been a little tougher.

In the semis in 1980 I finally beat Martina at Wimbledon. But I celebrated so much that the next day I was in a fog against Evonne and lost 6-1 7-6..."
(from Sports Illustrated 08/28/89)
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Thanks for those quiote Santorofan! I hadn't seen them before.

I knew that Chris was really miffed at that 1988 Wimbeldon semi. I certainly was. That was a really disappointing end to a great set of tennis (the first 2 sets were sloppy).

I think that Chris's comments about not playing the French in the 1970s rings true for each and every Evert fan. Many people who don't know much about Chris's career often point to the fact that she only held 3 consecutive grandslam titles once in her career, however, they conveniently omit that fact that she never played the French or the Australian Open in her prime (when she was the no.1). Had she played those events, I truely believe that she would have 22 GS or even 23 GS singles titles (2 or 3 FO and 2 AO is not inconceivable), and people's perception of her success would be completely different.

I do disagree with her statement that she should have won it 7 times. Each and every player plays with whatever circumstances they have at the time, and they have to take their chances, and Chris did not take those chances which she outlined.

Evonne fans, you must get annoyed about Chris's comments rearding the 1980 Wimby final!
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Thanks for those quiote Santorofan! I hadn't seen them before.

I knew that Chris was really miffed at that 1988 Wimbeldon semi. I certainly was. That was a really disappointing end to a great set of tennis (the first 2 sets were sloppy).

I think that Chris's comments about not playing the French in the 1970s rings true for each and every Evert fan. Many people who don't know much about Chris's career often point to the fact that she only held 3 consecutive grandslam titles once in her career, however, they conveniently omit that fact that she never played the French or the Australian Open in her prime (when she was the no.1). Had she played those events, I truely believe that she would have 22 GS or even 23 GS singles titles (2 or 3 FO and 2 AO is not inconceivable), and people's perception of her success would be completely different.

I do disagree with her statement that she should have won it 7 times. Each and every player plays with whatever circumstances they have at the time, and they have to take their chances, and Chris did not take those chances which she outlined.

Evonne fans, you must get annoyed about Chris's comments rearding the 1980 Wimby final!

Wonderful quote Santorofan, with so many things to ponder. I think all of us wish the top players had stuck with Roland Garros and Kooyong during the 1970s instead of throwing in their lot with BJK's hairbrained WTT. It screwed up the record books so badly. Although Chrissie would have been favourite for those three RG titles 76-78, it must be said that her victories in 74-75 and 79-80 were in tournaments which did not contain her main rivals. Evonne, BJK and co. were banned in 74 because of their involvement in WTT and they also missed 75, along with Marge Court. In 79 and 80, Tracy (who'd beaten her in Rome), Evonne and Martina were all missing. Had they all participated every year, Chrissie would have started hot favourite anyway (and looking at her Family Circle Cup record during those years reinforces that view) but it is conceivable that any one of those players could have taken her out.

Re Australia, same logic. Chrissie did not beat BJK on grass until 77 and just eeked out her first GC victory over Evonne at Wimbledon in 76. By 78, Martina was in the picture and even before then had beaten Chrissie on fast surfaces. Wade would also have had an outside chance against her on grass. She only won Wimbledon once 75-80, so what is to say she would have won Australia more often? I'm sure you're right in saying that her GS total is not where it should be BCP but at the same time, it's hard to say quite where it would have been.

I agree that she's a bit mean to King, Wade, Goolagong and Navratilova in her assessment of her Wimbledon record and ought to be a bit more magnanimous. She was lucky that both Evonne and BJK were removed from her path in 74 (especially Evonne, against whom she lost 4 times that year). She could so easily have lost to Evonne in 76 as well. As you say, BCP, all players could explain away certain defeats; Chrissie's not the only one to have fallen in love, had a lovers' tiff or been broken-hearted. As for the 88 semi, it was a horrible endnote to a fantastic Wimbledon rivalry. In or out, I so wish it had ended differently.

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I remember reading that SI article in 1989 and being so pissed. I love Chris, but she was acting like an ass! In 1980 Evonne was simply outplaying her 6-1, 3-0. There was nothing she could do. When the rains came, the momentumn switched and Chris switched gears, going up a notch or two. Evonne still beat her 7-6. End of story.

Also, she did not dominate in 1976. Up until the US final, Evonne was a very formidable rival that year, winning the Slims finale. Had Evonne taken the Wimbledon final she would have been number 1 that summer.

Another thing, in 1976 the Aussie was played in January. Chris's quote saying if she had three titles in the bag in 76 (French, Wimb, US) she would have made the trek down under. Well, sorry Chris - that would have been the 1977 Aussie Open you would have played.

Don't forget she lost the 1974 Aussie final to Evonne 6-0 in the third...the year Chris ended as Number 1.
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one note, since i've read this statement before:

Chris' first GS win over Goolagong was not 1976 Wimbledon, but the 1975 US Open, which was the 4th of what would be 8 wins in a row over Goolagong, and she was 5-2 against Evonne in 1976...so the difference between 74 (the first year of chris' full ascension) and '76 is a world apart.

I really love Goolagong, she's one of my favs of all time easily, but Chris really had the upperhand in that rivalry and would have to be favored on any surface, though I agree Australian Open's grass is clearly Evonne's best odds against her, and it being her home-country's championship, she was no doubt very tough there, just as Chris was very tough at the Open in her prime, winning 6 of 8 championships.
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