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FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

I would be really grateful if anyone could help me establish the first names of these players

P Girod...1897-1902
De Kermel ...1907
E F Rose...1910-1933
Mrs Colegate...1921-1929
Leroux...1901
D Elva...1907
A Pean...1908
J Tripp...1907-1914
M Tripp...1909-1926
C O Tyrrell...1922-1933
R V Salusbury...1909-1911
Mrs Gilbert Harvey...1911-1921
G Lucas...1926-1939
Mrs Hollick...1909-1930
E E Tanner...1919-1926
E Beckingham...1923-1927
E L Bosworth...1903-1908
M B Reckitt...1921-1934
D C Adams...1901-1910
G E Tomblin...1922-1937
Mrs Drexel Paul...1910-1915
M P Davies...1919-1929
Mrs Bruce May...1920-1937
Mrs J B Perrett...1911-1927

Thanks in advance for your help

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Thanks for the rminder Graham-here's what I have (give me a good amount of time today to work on this)

P Girod...1897-1902
De Kermel ...1907
E F Rose...1910-1933
Mrs R C Clayton...1920-1932-Mabel Clayton (nee Davey)
B Tulloch ...1897-1922 Beryl Tulloch
T Lowther...1900-1910-Toupie Lowther
M Coles...1904-1927-Mildred Coles
D A Shaw...1926-1932
M E Dix...1920-1931--the M probably stands for Margaret, but she went by Betty Dix

Mrs Colston... 1910-1925-This is Blanche Colston. Born Blanche Gladys Duddell, bastard daughter of a wealthy businessman, she md Edward Murray Colston, Lord Roundway, 28 April 1904. She was later known as Lady Roundway. To confuse matters she sometimes went by "Gladys" rather than :Blanche"

E G Johnson...1904--1914 Edith Johnson
B Steedman...1889-1902 Bertha Steedman
E R Clarke...1920-1934 -Edith Clarke
Mrs Colegate...1921-1929-AKA JL Colegate-no first name yet
Leroux...1901

Y de Pfoeffel...1905-hmmm. Yvonne de Pfoeffel in There is a Marie Louise de Pfoellel in the 1904 Wimbledon draw. A relation or the same person?
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MacVeagh...1906

No idea. All sources indicate the winner of the 1906 French was British. However, I do notice an American winner of the Swiss Chmps in 1908 called Virginia McVeagh. We should keep open the slight possibility of a connection.




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D Elva...1907
A Pean...1908
H M Garfit...1906-1910-Maud Garfit
L Cadle...1911-1930-Leslie Cadle
J Tripp...1907-1914
Mrs R J Winch...1899-1920-Ruth Winch
M Tripp...1909-1926
C O Tyrrell...1922-1933
R V Salusbury...1909-1911
Mrs N Durlacher...1899-1924-this is the married name of Ruth Dyas
P Harrop Dransfield...1909-1932 Peggy Dransfield (so Harrop was her maiden name?)
Mrs Gilbert Harvey...1911-1921
W A Longhurst...1902-1921 Winifred Longhurst
Mrs W D List...1928-1936
G Lucas...1926-1939
Mrs Hollick...1909-1930
E E Tanner...1919-1926
E Beckingham...1923-1927-Claire Beckingham
E L Bosworth...1903-1908
A Tabor...1886

C J Cole...1887-Edith Cole (nee Coleridge). "CJ" is for the initials of her husband Charles John
E M Stawell Brown...1903-1905 Ellen Stawell Brown. I think she is somehow related to Tim Henman.
M B Reckitt...1921-1934
C M B Marriott...1923-1939-Cecily Marriott
O B Manser...1907-1929 Olive Manser
R Dyas...1896-1898-Ruth Dyas (later Mrs N Durlacher)
P Legh...1897-1898
V Spofforth...1910-1924
P Ingram...1920-1923
Mrs Horncastle...1895-1902 Henrietta Horncastle
D C Adams...1901-1910
G E Tomblin...1922-1937
P L F Thomson...1932-1939
P G Brazier...1929-1935
Mrs Drexel Paul...1910-1915
M P Davies...1919-1929
B C Brown...1921-1930
Mrs E S Law...1930-1946-Yvonne Law
Mrs Bruce May...1920-1937
G Harry...1927-1935

G Bond...1930-1939 (The Aussie player?) If so this is "Birdie" Bond. nee Gatehouse. She started playng as early as 1921.

S G Chuter...1932-1938
Mrs Draffen...1894-1898
L Bull...1920-1931-Louise Bull (Great Britain). There is also a Lorna Bull of Australia
Mrs J B Perrett...1911-1927

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Vera SPOFFORTH was the daughter of Australian Frederick Robert SPOFFORTH (1853=1926), the'Demon Bowler' of Test Cricket.

The Aussie star settled in England from 1888, not returning downunder until 1902. Spofforth was married in England in 1886 but returned to Australia for a couple of years. I'd originally thought Vera might have been born in Australia and, if so, she could have been the first Australian born woman ever to play at Wimbledon, but it was not to be.

The two Spofforth sons were Australian born, but Vera was born in England in 1892.

Vera married Major JS Youle in 1918 and continued to play tennis, though she had children in 1921/24.

Vera's older sister, Dorothy, also played tennis is England.

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Thanks Rollo/Gtee - this is great help - and super anecdotes too as a bonus!

I particularly liked your description of poor Mrs Colston - that 'bastard daughter of a wealthy businessman'. I think Mr and Mrs Federer managed to avoid having 'bastard twins' marrying shortly before their birth - but you can probably tell me if there are any modern bastards out there!

My only query is the Beckingham one as I have both C and E Beckingham in the same tournaments - C is obviously Claire and I suspect she might have had a sister ie E Beckingham.

Once again - this is super of you to take the trouble -

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I particularly liked your description of poor Mrs Colston - that 'bastard daughter of a wealthy businessman'. I think Mr and Mrs Federer managed to avoid having 'bastard twins' marrying shortly before their birth - but you can probably tell me if there are any modern bastards out there!
LOL.

Well, it was the Victorian era after all. I suspect though that even by today's standards we might find the circumstances of her birth a trifle scandalous-read on.....

http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/...p203p818p.aspx
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Hi Folks,

I would be very grateful (and impressed!) if anyone was able to find first names for the following ladies from the US National Women's Indoors finals history:
1913-14: runner-up - Mrs C.N. Beard
1910: winner - Mrs Frederick G. Schmitz

Thanks all.
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I would be really grateful if anyone could help me establish the first names of these players
You can find a lot of the answers in our "Married names (updated)" thread.
Married Names (3rd edition)

Prominent women tennis players: http://tennis-women.blogspot.com
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I would be very grateful (and impressed!) if anyone was able to find first names for the following ladies from the US National Women's Indoors finals history:
1913-14: runner-up - Mrs C.N. Beard
1910: winner - Mrs Frederick G. Schmitz

Thanks all.
Prepare to be impressed then (just kidding)-Mrs Frederick G Schmitz was Augusta. Originally from Great Britain, she is often listed in American sources as British and in some later British sources as American!

This can be explained in part by her personal circumstances. From the New York Times, March 17, 1910:

"While Mrs Schmitz came from Enlgand originally she is not originally an English champion now. She married Frederick Schmitz four years ago, and learned tennis in this country, so that any talk of the cup she won yesterday [for the US National Indoors] going to England is entirely without foundation."

Mrs Beard is even more of a mystery. All I know is she was wed to a Mr Charles N Beard.

Here is a pic of Mrs Beard with Marie Wagner in 1913

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My only query is the Beckingham one as I have both C and E Beckingham in the same tournaments - C is obviously Claire and I suspect she might have had a sister ie E Beckingham
In light of that info you are right to question it Graham. I'll let you know if I come up with anything more-do you happen to know the event and year where both appear?

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Mrs. C. N. Beard

Mrs. C. N. Beard won the New Jersey tennis championship at some point, probably in 1912.

She was living with her husband in Cleveland according to the 1910 Almanac and Encyclopedia. She was the runner-up in women's doubles at the 1909 Ohio championships.

According to the 1910 Tribune Almanac and Political Register, Mrs. Beard was defeated in the challenge round of the 1909 Western Championships in Chicago by Carrie B. Neely (the holder) 6-1, 7-5. She also lost in the final of women's doubles there.

At the 1913 New Jersey championships, Mrs. Beard lost in the preliminary round. Here's an account of the match, from http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper%2...20-%203393.pdf
Miss Clare Cassell and Mrs. C. N. Beard met in one of the best matches. There was considerable speculation as to the outcome, for both are considered hard players, but Mrs. Beard was considered a slight favorite. Miss Cassell, however, played a strong game and won in straight sets 6-2, 8-6.

In the first set, Mrs. Beard started off to play a driving game, and she proved to be considerably better than her opponent at this style. Miss Cassell saw this and appreciated it. She therefore changed to the trusty if slow lob and forced Mrs. Beard to do the same thing. Thereby hangs the tale of Mrs. Beard's defeat, for she could do nothing at all with the high bounds of the lob, and, what was worse, she allowed it to worry her. She lost all sense of distance and her returns were seldom well placed and often were inaccurate.

The second set during the early games was much like the first. Miss Cassell clung tenaciously to her winning lob and Mrs. Beard was all at sea in handling it. With the score at 4 to 2 in her favor, Miss Cassell weakened perceptibly. She was decidedly limb weary and lost many points by her failure to cover ground for easy shots. Mrs. Beard saw her chance and took advantage of it. She steadied down and tied the score by taking the next two games. The set then went to deuce at 5 all and Mrs. Beard gained the advantage on the eleventh game. Things began to look pretty dark for Miss Cassell, but she gained her second wind and played at her best, taking three games in a row and with them the set and match.
According to our 1913 results thread, Mrs. Beard (the holder) lost in the challenge round of the Middle States Championships, the semifinals of the Niagara-on-the-Lake International, and the final of the U.S. Indoor Championships.

In 1914, Louise Raymond upset Mrs. Beard in three sets in the first round of the Middle States Championships. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DE405B848DF1D3 At the New Jersey championships, held on clay at the Morristown Field Club, Mrs. Beard lost in the second round to Miss A. Carrington of New Haven, Connecticut 4-6, 6-3, 6-2. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...D1405B848DF1D3

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In light of that info you are right to question it Graham. I'll let you know if I come up with anything more-do you happen to know the event and year where both appear?
Yes, they appear to have both been playing concurrently in the years 1922-1927

For example at Wimbledon 1923 in the Second Round

Claire Beckingham lost to E F Rose 6-4 6-0
E M Beckingham beat S M Fison 6-2 6-4

E M Beckingham went on to lose in the 4R to Eleanor Goss 6-2 6-2

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I would be very grateful (and impressed!) if anyone was able to find first names for the following ladies from the US National Women's Indoors finals history:
1913-14: runner-up - Mrs C.N. Beard
Alice Day is my guess.

Prominent women tennis players: http://tennis-women.blogspot.com
Billie Jean Moffitt King's playing career: http://billie-jean-moffitt-king.blogspot.com

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Many thanks AustinRunner and Rollo - grateful for your professorial insights, you solved a mystery that was beyond the wizards of Wimbledon or the detailed library there. Well done!
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A. Tabor = (Helen) Amy Tabor (GBR)

Mrs G.E. Draffen = Beatrice Draffen (formerly Beatrice Wood) (GBR)

P. Legh = Ruth Pennington-Legh (later Mrs Winch) (GBR)

V. MacVeagh = Virginia MacVeagh (USA)

P. Ingram = Peggy Ingram (GBR)

D. Shaw = Dorothy Shaw (GBR)

S.G. Chuter = Shelia Chuter (GBR)

P. Thomson = Patience Thomson (GBR)

Mrs W.D. List = Madge List (GBR)

B. Brown = Beatrice Brown (GBR)

G. Harry = Gethyn Harry (GBR)

P. Brazier = Patricia Brazier (GBR)

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Many thanks AustinRunner and Rollo - grateful for your professorial insights, you solved a mystery that was beyond the wizards of Wimbledon or the detailed library there. Well done!
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