I would say that Sabatini who led 5-3 Graf in the third set in the semis had something to say about this one. Don´t forget Sabatini beat Navratilova on clay at Rome just weeks earlier 7-6 6-1. I think it would have been a toss up anyone´s match, Martina with the edge mentally.. or not? considering how she served (DFs) for the match against Graf..
I agree it would have been close between the two but I still would favor Martina. Gaby has only beaten Martina, Graf, and Seles one time combined total in something like 20 slam meetings with the trio. And Martina was close to her prime, and is mentally tougher than Sabatini. And she was very determined at this French.
Sabatini was SF on this one, i really have a hard time to believe that Sabatini who won 12 of the last 15 matches against Sukova (losing only 2 times in 94 in 95 when Sabatini was in clear decline mentally out of it for the most part) would have lost to Helena on a non fast hard court slam.
Whenever Sabatini is involved you are sure to bring up some doozy comments. It is funny how you have to mention how Sabatini went into decline in 94 and 95 yet make no mention at all that Sukova's prime was 84-89 and she was nowhere near the player from 1990 onwards she was in previous years when almost all of that streak of 12 out of 15 took place. And 94-95 who was more past their prime between Sabatini or Sukova, yet you still try to discredit Sukova's wins those years.
Yes on the whole Sabatini had the better of Sukova, and yes on the whole she was the better player of course, but around the time of the 89 Australian Open their head to head was quite competitive and I personally think the way Sukova was playing that event, beating Navratilova in a great match, she would have been able to beat Sabatini. Again it is close though.
Sabatini overall won her most important matches against Sukova and they were on hard courts/meduim and fast/indoor/: YEC SF (6-4 6-2)1988, Miami SF 1989 (6-7 6-3 6-4), Usopen 1990 (6-2 6-1).
As I mentioned on average Sabatini was the better player even when Sukova was at her best, so of course Sabatini will win more of their meetings. Sukova is a dangerous and slightly streaky player who could rise and beat the best at a given time, everyone except Graf that is. Remember all the big wins she had over Martina in big events over the years. She isnt good enough to beat those better than her consistently, but she is good enough to beat them all at a given time when she hits a patch of form.
This is when it get ridiculous
no comments about choosing Arantxa LOL.
Arantxa was on her way of NO TITLES since Amelia Island 1993, was not exactly playing great tennis. I would have choosen Sukova all the way considering she was at her peak, won Doubles, Mixed Doubles and lost the final only to Graf... 6-3 6-3...
Sukova barely won her semifinal with Sanchez Vicario, scraping out of a 2nd set tiebreak and winning in 3. So it is not certain Sukova wins if they played in the final, especialy since Sukova didnt even play a very good final at all (yes I know she was playing Graf who played very well and who she is 1-21 against but I still watched the final and her performance mostly sucked). And if Sanchez Vicario is now World #1 without Graf, that mentally changes things as well. Anyway I originally was forgetting at this point the Seles stabbing probably never happens if Graf didnt exist which pretty much makes this all moot anyway, as Seles probably destroys them all at this point (sans Graf).
Really tough to choose this one, considering how tough mentally Arantxa was. Sure Arantxa may have lost to Martinez easily in Rome, but Arantxa is a different player at Roland Garros. This would have been another tough struggle, i would probably say Arantxa instead considering their head to head.
I agree this is a close call. Sanchez Vicario was a bit sick at the French as well though and had no energy by the 3rd set of the final with Graf. That is another reason I pick Martinez. I dont think Martinez had as big a mental block with Sanchez as some say. Their head to head is reasonable for Martinez considering Sanchez Vicario is the better, mentally tougher, and harder working player.
Another disagrement here, i think Arantxa who was few points from winning Wimbledon 1995 over Graf would have beaten 1995 Novotna at Wimbledon.
I dont know. I would always favor Novotna over Sanchez on grass or probably carpet. Sanchez is a much tougher matchup for Graf than Novotna over the years remember. And Novotna was fairly close to winning her semifinal with Graf in 2 sets potentially too. I agree the way Sanchez was playing she would have had a shot vs Novotna though. Another close call.
Not sure if i understood you here. I think the right answer should be Sanchez Vicario, considering again she was 3 points away from winning this one against Graf in the final.
If Sanchez plays Seles she 90% likely loses, no matter what form Seles is in. Just look at their 96 meetings, Seles spanked Aranxta like she usually does in their careers, and it is not like she was ever in great shape or playing near her best in 96, she doesnt have to vs her pigeon Sanchez to win. Sanchez Vicario was lucky Novotna had Seles's number that year and took her out in a couple of the big events (Olympics too) when Seles was in Aranxta's half.
Basically if Jana doesnt play Sanchez I think she wins this year, if Sanchez doesnt play Seles I think she wins, and if Seles doesnt play Jana she wins. No way am I just going to say flat out Sanchez wins point blank when if she somehow runs into Seles she has almost no chance of getting past her.
I would not be so sure. Novotna made QF and lost to Graf who played an unbelieveable match then, had probably something to say against Date on grass, just like at Wimbledon 1995. This is probably an open one i honestly never saw Date as grand slam winning material. Arantxa was not exactly doing badly at the time either.
Possibly. I considered going with Novotna or Sanchez. Novotna wasnt in great form here though, and her QG performance vs Graf mostly sucked (she didnt have a winner until the 1st set was almost over).
Yeah Jana beat Graf so many times in 1994 0-3 and Arantxa beat Graf 3 times all because of her back
.. Sorry but this one´s Arantxa all the way IMO.
Actually 2 of Aranxta's 3 wins over Graf were definitely related to the back. If you in fact watched the 94 Canadian Open final and the 94 U.S Open final you would see what I mean, imparticular the latter which no way she comes back to win without Graf's back going out midway through. It is stupid to just compare Jana and Aranxta by how they fare vs Graf. Yeah Aranxta is and always was far and away a tougher opponent for Graf than Jana we all know that. By your logic Jana should have won her 96 meetings with Sanchez since she was regularly beating Seles who was killing Sanchez that yaer. Jana's chances against Aranxta on a faster surface are always decent though if she is in form. Of course fast hard courts arent the same as grass or carpet but still a decent shot on that surface I would say. Aranxta's form wasnt that amazing, she played a tired and crappy Date in the quarters, an abysmal Sabatini in the semis (still went to a 2nd set tiebreak), then was getting killed by Graf in the final before Graf's back went out midway through and ASV improved her play.
Jana killed Pierce who was playing well around then, and then had set points to go 3 sets vs a way stronger Graf than the final round version.
Lindsay was at her absolute peak of her powers, she played such a clean match in the final. Don´t forget by then she OWNED Venus, incluiding massive beatdowns 6-4 6-0 twice, and was 7-1 in the head to head against Venus at the time. Again not convincing your athleticism argument, this was Lindsay´s time IMO.
Venus and Lindsay played 5 times in 1999. Venus won 2 in a row, right after Wimbledon. Lindsay won 3, their first 2 of the year, and another late that year on carpet. I wouldnt say Lindsay still owned Venus in the context of 1999. I would say that was the year their head to head play pulled nearly even, Lindsay owned Venus back in 97 and 98 which is why she still had a huge career head to head lead at that point, and after 99 it was Venus starting to own Lindsay for awhile.
I would say this one is a tossup though, I could see most picking Lindsay, I think it would be almost 50-50 though.