Best female player to never win a Slam. - TennisForum.com

View Poll Results: Best player to not win slam singles title
Mary Joe Fernandez 10 20.83%
Helena Sukova 11 22.92%
Pamela Shriver 2 4.17%
Elena Dementieva 18 37.50%
Jelena Jankovic 7 14.58%
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post #1 of 61 (permalink) Old Sep 4th, 2010, 01:52 AM Thread Starter
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Best female player to never win a Slam.

Who is the best female player to never win a Slam title. The main candidates I can think of are:

Pam Shriver- long time World #4. Only 1 slam final. Got stuck in the Martina-Chris-Graf era and was also overshadowed by Hana and Tracy.

Mary Joe Fernandez- long time top 10 player who flucuated between 4-10 in the rankings. 3 slam finals and many slam semis and quarters. Nearly won the 93 French and possibly the 91 Australian Opens.

Helena Sukova- 4 slam finals. 3 of the 4 on hard courts. Posted wins over Martina (3 times), Chris (1 time), and Sanchez (1 time) to reach her 4 slam finals but losing to Chris, Martina, or Steffi in all 4.

Elena Dementieva- still active player with 2 slam finals, quite a few more slam semis, and an Olympic singles Gold. Hope for elusive singles slam seem to be dwindling.

Jelena Jankovic- another active player who briefly reached #1 but has reached only 1 slam final.
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

I voted for Mary Joe although it is probably really Pam.
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

Sukova by a long shot

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I suspect alot will say Sukova but I find her overrated. She was never a consistent top 5 player like Shriver and to a lesser degree Fernandez were. She first came up in the Shriver era and while Shriver was a solid #4 Sukova was ranked around 8. Then when Fernandez came up she was ranked over Sukova already even when Sukova was still playing well. And then there is her 3-9 head to head with Shriver (dont know what her head to head with Fernandez is).

I think alot judge her on some of her big performances vs Martina in big matches. Maybe she was just a bad matchup for Martina though. Or maybe Martina had a mental block playing Sukova with the situation with Sukova's mom. Anyway she still owns Sukova something like 26-5 even if in big matches Sukova was a personal nemisis to her, but in their one slam final Martina spanked her.

The current players are of a different time altogether. However if you cant win a slam against the current crop you probably dont deserve one that badly anyway.
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

You cannot be serious. Those only the other players we can vote for? I abstain.
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You cannot be serious. Those only the other players we can vote for? I abstain.
Who else would you expect. Someone who didnt win a slam in the 1920s, LOL!
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

There are lots of candidates from throughout the history of tennis, not just during the last 25 years. For example, Judy Tegart Dalton, Helga Niessen Masthoff, Olga Morozova, Wendy Turnbull, Rosemary Casals, Andrea Jaeger, Zina Garrison, Dinara Safina, Kay Stammers Menzies Bullitt, Dorothy Head Knode, Beverly Baker Fleitz, Elizabeth Ryan, Lili de Alvarez, and Eileen Bennet Whittingstall. ("For example" implies there are others, too.) That's why your poll is so lame and myopic.
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There are lots of candidates from throughout the history of tennis, not just during the last 25 years. For example, Judy Tegart Dalton, Helga Niessen Masthoff, Olga Morozova, Wendy Turnbull, Rosemary Casals, Andrea Jaeger, Zina Garrison, Dinara Safina, Kay Stammers Menzies Bullitt, Dorothy Head Knode, Beverly Baker Fleitz, Elizabeth Ryan, Lili de Alvarez, and Eileen Bennet Whittingstall. ("For example" implies there are others, too.) That's why your poll is so lame and myopic.
It is already plainly obvious Dinara Safina is a worse player than Jankovic or Dementieva, or that Zina Garrison is a weaker player than Helena Sukova or Pam Shriver who achieved far more overall playing in the same timeframe. Nor is Turnbull even possibly a better player than Shriver who immediately leapt ahead of her as a teenager and stayed there the remainder of their careers. If you dont like my poll then why dont you create a 30 option poll somehow even though it isnt allowed and include every redundant option you can just for the heck of it.
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There are lots of candidates from throughout the history of tennis, not just during the last 25 years. For example, Judy Tegart Dalton, Helga Niessen Masthoff, Olga Morozova, Wendy Turnbull, Rosemary Casals, Andrea Jaeger, Zina Garrison, Dinara Safina, Kay Stammers Menzies Bullitt, Dorothy Head Knode, Beverly Baker Fleitz, Elizabeth Ryan, Lili de Alvarez, and Eileen Bennet Whittingstall. ("For example" implies there are others, too.) That's why your poll is so lame and myopic.
Well there you have it. The best of all-time not to win a major. The one we all know and love:

Eileeen Bennet Whittingstall!

Call that Hall of Fame! Time to erect a new wing in honor of the late, great, well almost great Eileen!

Goes to show you how tough it can be to win a major. And how luck certainly plays a part. And how I still say those who did play, and win, majors in the 1970s, like Baroness Barker or Mima Jausovec, or Babs Jordan, don't have to be worried about being on the list of greatest who DIN'T! Cuz they DID win a major. Others like Mrs. Dalton, Casals, Turnbull, Ryan, Sukova, Dementieva, et al have not won a major, even if their careers rate higher than some of the winners like Ruzici, or even Miss Myskina Majoli or Ivanovic.

I don't think Sukova is overrated at all. I think she does deserve a place in the HoF. And I think she was very unfortunate to play during the Chris-Martina-Steffi years, losing 4 major finals to the likes of that trio. And to make matters worse, she beat either Martina (3x) or Chris en route to her finals. And to boot, she reached major finals 9 years apart! Some players (Jaeger, Morozova) had one or two strong years when they reached a major final. Sukova got to finals in 1984, 1986, 1989, and 1993, demonstrating she was a threat for a while. Shriver also played during this time, and may have had a higher overall ranking. Apart from her debut appearance when she reached the 1978 Open final, she wasn't winning big matches in majors (yeah she beat Martina again in 1982, but lost to Hana and would have been killed by Evert had she gotten to another final). Sukova was able to score her big win, and follow up with necessary just to get to another major final. So props to Helena for 4 major final appearances, but bad luck not to have won one.
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

Sukova. Four Slam finals beats everything else.

Pam Shriver: What is your worst memory of The US Open?
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It is already plainly obvious Dinara Safina is a worse player than Jankovic or Dementieva, or that Zina Garrison is a weaker player than Helena Sukova or Pam Shriver who achieved far more overall playing in the same timeframe. Nor is Turnbull even possibly a better player than Shriver who immediately leapt ahead of her as a teenager and stayed there the remainder of their careers. If you dont like my poll then why dont you create a 30 option poll somehow even though it isnt allowed and include every redundant option you can just for the heck of it.

Well, that's all a matter of opinion.

I find the options limiting too but I wouldn't argue about it - could you just not have put in a sixth option - "other"?

Margaret Thatcher - Michele Bachmann two strong women of our time.
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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

No contest - Helena Sukova

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Duk Hee Lee

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

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Sukova. Four Slam finals beats everything else.
Not only that. Playing a YEC final, multiple GS & YEC semis, beating virtually every big name in tennis those days and one of the very few players who won a WTA tournament beating in that same tournament both Evert and Navratilova

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Re: Best female player to never win a Slam.

Dementieva

Jankovic in this poll
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