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post #1876 of 6247 (permalink) Old Jan 30th, 2012, 10:30 PM
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Oki, I just wrote to them by the contact form on steffi-graf.net. Let's see what they will say about it.

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I can see it's as known as to say that Columbus discovered America, but I'm rewatching every women's tennis match on the net chronologically, and I got to 1992, so I recently saw Steffi's wins over Gabriela Sabatini and Mónica Seles at Wimbledon that year: MY GOD, what a player! After struggling against de Swardt (a tough player for her as everybody knows, even if there is such a HUGE difference in their historical status), and Fendick, Graf come out in a vicious level for those late rounds. I've probably never seen anybody play like THAT and against so talented rivals!

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The 92 Wimbledon final alone should lay waste to those dopes who claim Seles was the most dominant player ever. Imagine Graf or Navratilova at the heights of their dominance ever getting humiliated in a slam final like that, let alone the biggest tournament in the World.
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Oki, I just wrote to them by the contact form on steffi-graf.net. Let's see what they will say about it.

Thanks again Bia!

And for me it's bedtime now. Good night!
Thank you very much, Selecao.
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The 92 Wimbledon final alone should lay waste to those dopes who claim Seles was the most dominant player ever. Imagine Graf or Navratilova at the heights of their dominance ever getting humiliated in a slam final like that, let alone the biggest tournament in the World.
And some Seles fans still claim she lost that final because she couldn't grunt!!!
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And some Seles fans still claim she lost that final because she couldn't grunt!!!
The problem is even Monica Seles thinks so, she did give multiple interviews where she said she wished she played the wimby final again.
I have heard lot of discussions on this forum and many others on how Steffi is a poor loser as she did not shake hands in a 'well mannered' fashion after a loss but I will tell you one think, all these years that I have known her, she never once said she wished she played a match that she lost again, never has she talked about any of her losses in that manner and I think that is the highest form of regard you give to your opponent, acknowledging no matter how well or bad you played, your opponent's play had a say in the outcome of the result. Not once have I seen Steffi give an interview saying she wished she played the 92 FO final again without any grunting involved.
Steffi's atheleticism in the 92 Wimby final was great, just have to see how she retrieves the lob by Monica and I don't think even Monica Seles can say that 'grunting' would have prevented Steffi from reaching that ball and returning it so well.
Here is the point I am talking about and there are so many such points that day that had nothing to do with Monica not 'grunting' that day.

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Yes, I know ... I posted it before and it's off-topic actually ... but in the light of the current weather I cannot resist, sorry ...





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Oki, I just wrote to them by the contact form on steffi-graf.net. Let's see what they will say about it.

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No reply yet. But I will let you know what they say IF they reply.
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Yes, I know ... I posted it before and it's off-topic actually ... but in the light of the current weather I cannot resist, sorry ...







No reply yet. But I will let you know what they say IF they reply.
Nice timing, thought you were referring me to an 'angry BBQ'
By the way, did contact Steffi's site admin in the past as this has been going on for sometime now, said he did fix it but seems to be a recurring problem and had to do something with the software as some other sites maintained by the same admin had similar issues as well and has to do with google search machine only. I got a response the first time I brought this issue up but nothing when I mentioned it again.
To avoid trigerring the message, try opening through FB page (through Steffi's FB page).
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LOL at the BBQ.


About the 1992 Wimbledon Finals, besides the fact that Seles get destroyed. By saying she would have like to play this match again, she was trying to make us (and her fans) believe that she sacrified a Wimbledon so ? Because if she had grunt what would have happened to her actually ? Nothing.
So even after a set for ex, she kept on not grunting,even while realizing her game was (according to her) so not at her best level, while she was playing the final of the biggest tournament of her sport ?
Yeah I so believe in that story.
And I still don't get why she had to shut up that day, and who complained about it, but I know I hate this grunt trend, look what it has become today. They should have done something 20years ago, now it's too late, and soooo annoying.
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[And I still don't get why she had to shut up that day, and who complained about it, but I know I hate this grunt trend, look what it has become today. They should have done something 20years ago, now it's too late, and soooo annoying.[/QUOTE]

As per tennis rules, 'grunting' is considered a hindrance if a player reports against it and the authorities have to take action if that happens. That is what happened in Wimbledon 92, Martina and Tauziat complained against her grunting and Seles was asked to tone down her grunting in the susequent match which is a final.
If anything, Seles stabbing prevented people from talking against her grunting later on and as a result, it has evolved into shreiking (my opinion).
I have my own opinios about what happened in 92-93 but since this is Steffi's site, just wanted to limit it to something concerned to her.
Recently, I had the opportunity to go over Seles' book and to say, that my opinion of her changed drastically is an understatement. Lot of discrepancies of what actually happened and what is written in the book. In the book, she mentions that Steffi visited her in the hospital, said nothing and left within minutes saying she had to play the next match. Well, this is the same Monica Seles who gave multiple interviews (including TV interviews) immediately after the stabbing stating that Steffi did visit her, it was highly emotional for both of them and they both just cried. Nothing of that in the book.
Also, only top 17 of the top 25 players voted against the protective ranking. Well, I just have to beleive she had selective 'amnesia' of what actually happened around that time.

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First of all, thanks a lot, Selecao and Stef-fan for your help. And, Selecao, I have the snow too here, but no angry BBQ.
Stef-fan, I have exactly the same feelings about Seles. I did't read her book, actually, her two books, but I've read articles when it came out and she also said that Steffi went to visit her in hospital on sunday and that she told her she was in a hurry because she had to play the final. Well, I remember very well that Steffi went to see her the morning right after the stabbing, and it was on a friday, not the day of the final or semifinals. I'm not even sure Steffi had to play that day! It could be that Monica didn't remember it so well, but she could have done a small research before writing it. It seems that Seles self describes their meeting in a different way on her first book. Tarabini, who was with Steffi that morning at the hospital, said that Steffi even wanted to talk with doctors about Seles conditions. What I find more irritating, is the fact that not one tennis reporter contradicted Seles version of the story, they all seem to soffer the same amnesia.
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Nice timing, thought you were referring me to an 'angry BBQ'
?? ... *scratching head* ... Sorry, but I don't get that.


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By the way, did contact Steffi's site admin in the past as this has been going on for sometime now, said he did fix it but seems to be a recurring problem and had to do something with the software as some other sites maintained by the same admin had similar issues as well and has to do with google search machine only. I got a response the first time I brought this issue up but nothing when I mentioned it again.
Ah, I see, thanks a lot for that info! So I guess that I don't need to wait for a reply any longer because there won't be some.
It indeed looks like that Google uses some heuristic anti-malware scanner which flags some script(s) on the site as malicious. Probably nothing to worry about, but the webmaster should resolve this though since this isn't good for the reputation of the site.


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To avoid trigerring the message, try opening through FB page (through Steffi's FB page).
Or simply by typing the URL in the respective field of the browser (and thus accessing the site directly), that should work too.
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LOL at the BBQ.


About the 1992 Wimbledon Finals, besides the fact that Seles get destroyed. By saying she would have like to play this match again, she was trying to make us (and her fans) believe that she sacrified a Wimbledon so ? Because if she had grunt what would have happened to her actually ? Nothing.
So even after a set for ex, she kept on not grunting,even while realizing her game was (according to her) so not at her best level, while she was playing the final of the biggest tournament of her sport ?
Yeah I so believe in that story.
And I still don't get why she had to shut up that day, and who complained about it, but I know I hate this grunt trend, look what it has become today. They should have done something 20years ago, now it's too late, and soooo annoying.
My sentiments exactly!!!
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?? ... *scratching head* ... Sorry, but I don't get that.

Just kidding, nothing much.

Hey Bia, if you are in the media, 'selective amnesia' is a required quality. Remember that you cannot generate a story or hype about the present if you don't have amnesia to to the past. So don't blame them and it serves their purposes as they always have only once side of the story as Steffi has the decency of not talking and involving other people in unnecessary controversies.
Yeah, you are right, she visited the hospital the next day morning and not two days after as the book mentions. Also hate to put it here (but can't resist), she had selective amnesia about her old, billionaire boy friends (Paul Allen and Tom Golisano) and the press obliged to ignore it as well.
Again, have lots of empathy for what Seles had to go through and wouldn't expect anyone to go through that but you don't have to show other people in a negative light and distort facts to gain sympathy which she already had from the public and the media (just have to read how many media outlets focussed on 'Steffi visited but acted like nothing happened story' and Monica mentioning the same in multiple interviews as well).
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By the way, just to make sure that I am not making any baseless accusations or changing the facts, here is Monica Seles talking on ESPN Classic about Steffi Graf (hate that program by the way as it concentrates on Steffi's off court struggles than on court achievements and it is supposed to be a tribute for her on court achievements) and you can watch Monica Seles talking around 3:50 mark, talking about the hospital visit and mentions 'on camera' of how it was emotional for both of them and they both just cried...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGVF4IchDs0

Here is a NY Times article from 1993 talking about the voting and how 17 of the top 25 players voted and Seles family was mad at WTA director and not the players as the family beleived the players were given wrong information about her state. The book has a different tone to the whole episode.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/30/sp...on.html?src=pm
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