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I never found the exact link of that ITF site (for doubles result), where is it please?
As for the mixed doubles with Flach, in Austin's book she says, Flach tanked the semifinals (I don't remember his reasons, I believe it had to do with his men's doubles matches). That was a big pity as for Tracy, being away from Tennis for so long this match was really important, and Flach didn't care at all...
As for the Evert quote I didn't want to interpretate anything into it, found it just an interesting quote. Chris probably referred to those teenage prodigies, comparing them.
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Steffi was #1 in 1988, so if Chris was putting Seles in a category with Austin, I think she WAS giving major props to Seles, and perhaps before anyone else was saying it. She gave props to steffi time and time again before Steffi had ever won a tournament...kept mentioning her as a dangerous part of the draw; she definitely could see who was going to blossom and didnt need results to prove it to her beforehand.

One major ASTERIKS in chris' win/loss record to austin...3 of those losses came in a two week stretch at the first 2 tournaments of 1980, plus filderstadt is in november. So FOUR austin victories came in a particular 2 and a half month period!! So that upped the stats...that doesn't show long-term domination...it shows very short term great results during a tiny pocket of time within the rivalry.
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Tracy Austin's dubs records

European Open Switzerland
WT 16 May 1994 to 22 May 1994 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering Marianne WERDEL (USA)
16 L FENDICK (USA) / MC GRATH (USA) 0-6 5-7


German Open Germany
WT 09 May 1994 to 15 May 1994 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering Mary PIERCE (FRA)
32 L GROSSMAN (USA) / PO (USA) 1-6 4-6


Light 'n' Lively Doubles USA
WT 24 Mar 1994 to 27 Mar 1994 Entry : WC Clay (O)
partnering Pam SHRIVER (USA)
QF W NEILAND (LAT) / SMYLIE (AUS) 6-3 7-5
SF L NOVOTNA (CZE) / SANCHEZ-VICARIO (ESP) 2-6 2-6


Indian Wells USA
WT 21 Feb 1994 to 27 Feb 1994 Entry : WC Hard (O)
partnering Betsy NAGELSEN (USA)
16 L MEDVEDEVA (UKR) / OREMANS (NED) 5-7 2-6


Brisbane Australia
WT 03 Jan 1994 to 09 Jan 1994 Entry : WC Hard (O)
partnering Shannan MC CARTHY (USA)
32 L BARCLAY (AUS) / GUSE (AUS) 1-6 3-6


Light 'n' Lively Doubles USA
WT 25 Mar 1993 to 28 Mar 1993 Entry : WC Clay (O)
partnering Elna REINACH (RSA)
QF L FERNANDEZ (USA) / ZVEREVA (BLR) 2-6 6-2 5-7


Indian Wells USA
WT 22 Feb 1993 to 28 Feb 1993 Entry : WC Hard (O)
partnering Elise BURGIN (USA)
32 L FIELD (AUS) / HENRICKSSON (USA) 1-6 5-7


Amelia Island USA
WT 10 Apr 1989 to 16 Apr 1989 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering Hana MANDLIKOVA (AUS)
32 W FULCO (ARG) / VILLAGRAN (ARG) 6-2 6-2
16 L SMOLLER (USA) / STRANDLUND (SWE) 6-0 5-7 3-6


Worcester USA
WT 31 Oct 1988 to 06 Nov 1988 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Stephanie REHE (USA)
16 W NA (USA) / SCHIMPER (RSA) 6-2 6-2
QF L SAVCHENKO (URS) / ZVEREVA (URS) 6-7 3-6


Zurich Switzerland
WT 17 Oct 1988 to 23 Oct 1988 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Pam SHRIVER (USA)
16 W BETZNER (FRG) / PROBST (FRG) 6-1 6-2
QF O CORDWELL (NZL) / VAN RENSBURG (RSA) W/O
SF L KOHDE-KILSCH (FRG) / SUKOVA (TCH) 2-6 6-2 4-6


New Orleans USA
WT 03 Oct 1988 to 09 Oct 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Stephanie REHE (USA)
16 W LINDSTROM (SWE) / PAZ (ARG) 6-1 6-1
QF W FERNANDEZ (USA) / WHITE (USA) 6-2 4-6 7-5
SF L HERR (USA) / REYNOLDS (USA) 3-6 2-6


US Open USA
SL 29 Aug 1988 to 11 Sep 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Mary-Joe FERNANDEZ (USA)
64 W HERREMAN (FRA) / LINDSTROM (SWE) 7-6(4) 6-3
32 L HENRICKSSON (USA) / SMITH (USA) 2-6 6-2 5-7


Mahwah USA
WT 22 Aug 1988 to 28 Aug 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Stephanie REHE (USA)
16 W DEMONGEOT (FRA) / TAUZIAT (FRA) 7-6 7-6
QF W PFAFF (FRG) / SMYLIE (AUS) 2-6 7-5 7-6
SF L NOVOTNA (TCH) / SUKOVA (TCH) 3-6 1-6


Los Angeles USA
WT 08 Aug 1988 to 14 Aug 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Catarina LINDQVIST (SWE)
32 L KAPLAN (USA) / ZAMBRZYCKI (BRA) 5-7 4-6


San Diego USA
WT 01 Aug 1988 to 07 Aug 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Robin WHITE (USA)
16 L NAGELSEN (USA) / VAN RENSBURG (RSA) 6-7 1-6


German Open Germany
WT 16 May 1983 to 23 May 1983 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering Mima JAUSOVEC (YUG)
32 W NEWTON (NZL) / SANDIN (SWE) 7-5 6-1
16 W JAEGER (USA) / PIATEK (USA) 6-3 6-1
QF W MADRUGA-OSSES (ARG) / TOMANOVA-ROTH (TCH) 6-3 6-1
SF L KOHDE-KILSCH (FRG) / PFAFF (FRG) 4-6 3-6


U.S. Indoors USA
WT 27 Sep 1982 to 03 Oct 1982 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Mima JAUSOVEC (YUG)
16 W ROMANOV (ROM) / THOMPSON (USA) 6-0 6-2
QF L CASALS (USA) / TURNBULL (AUS) 4-6 2-6


Sydney Australia
WT 23 Nov 1981 to 29 Nov 1981 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering Rosalyn FAIRBANK (RSA)
32 W CAWLEY (AUS) / JAEGER (USA) 2-6 6-1 6-2
16 L ALLEN (USA) / JAUSOVEC (YUG) 3-6 6-7


San Diego USA
WT 27 Jul 1981 to 02 Aug 1981 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Ann KIYOMURA (USA)
16 W BUNGE (FRG) / WHITE (USA) 6-1 6-2
QF W LITTLE (AUS) / VERMAAK (RSA) 6-4 6-2
SF L JORDAN (USA) / REYNOLDS (USA) 6-7 1-6


San Diego USA
WT 28 Jul 1980 to 03 Aug 1980 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Ann KIYOMURA (USA)
16 W BUENO (BRA) / HOLLADAY (USA) 6-1 6-1
QF W JOHNSON (USA) / MAY-TEACHER (USA) 6-0 6-1
SF W REYNOLDS (USA) / SMITH (USA) 6-3 6-2
FR W CASALS (USA) / TURNBULL (AUS) 3-6 6-4 6-3


US Open USA
SL 28 Aug 1979 to 09 Sep 1979 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Kathy MAY-TEACHER (USA)
64 W LOUIE (USA) / REDONDO (USA) 6-3 6-1
32 W CARILLO (USA) / RUSSELL (USA) 6-2 6-7 6-2
16 W CUYPERS (RSA) / VERMAAK (RSA) 7-5 6-7 6-1
QF L ACKER (USA) / ANTHONY (USA) W/O


Bergen County USA
WT 20 Aug 1979 to 26 Aug 1979 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W POTTER (USA) / FROMHOLTZ (AUS) 6-2 6-1
QF W DESFOR (USA) / HALLQUIST (USA) 6-1 6-4
SF W BARKER (GBR) / KIYOMURA (USA) 7-6 3-6 6-4
FR W JAUSOVEC (YUG) / MARSIKOVA (TCH) 7-6 2-6 6-4


San Diego USA
WT 30 Jul 1979 to 05 Aug 1979 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Kathy TEACHER (USA)
16 W BRUNING (USA) / WALSH (USA) 4-6 7-5 6-4
QF L JORDAN (USA) / JORDAN (USA) 2-6 2-6


Chicago USA
WT 29 Jan 1979 to 04 Feb 1979 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W COOPER (GBR) / STOLL (USA) 6-3 5-7 6-2
QF L NAVRATILOVA (TCH) / RICHARDS (USA) 2-6 4-6


Holywood USA
WT 22 Jan 1979 to 28 Jan 1979 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W LATHAM (USA) / VERMAAK (RSA) 6-3 6-3
QF W FROMHOLTZ (AUS) / KRUGER (RSA) 7-5 7-6
SF W KLOSS (RSA) / WADE (GBR) 6-4 6-2
FR W CASALS (USA) / TURNBULL (AUS) 6-2 2-6 6-2


Oakland USA
WT 08 Jan 1979 to 14 Jan 1979 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W NEWBERRY (USA) / SMITH (USA) 6-3 7-6
QF W TYLER (GBR) / VERMAAK (RSA) 6-2 6-2
SF W HUNT (AUS) / WALSH (USA) 7-5 6-2
FR L CASALS (USA) / EVERT (USA) 6-3 4-6 3-6


Stuttgart Germany
WT 23 Oct 1978 to 29 Oct 1978 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W GLATZEL / MOFFITT (GBR) 6-0 6-2
QF W GURDAL (BEL) / SIMMONDS (ITA) 6-2 6-0
SF W CUYPERS (RSA) / TOMANOVA (TCH) 7-6 6-1
FR W JAUSOVEC (YUG) / RUZICI (ROM) 6-3 6-2


Phoenix USA
WT 02 Oct 1978 to 08 Oct 1978 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 W HUNT (AUS) / KLOSS (RSA) 6-2 6-4
QF W FOX (USA) / MARGOLIN (USA) 6-3 6-3
SF W NAGELSEN (USA) / SHAW (GBR) 6-1 6-1
FR W NAVRATILOVA (TCH) / SMITH (USA) 6-4 6-7 6-2


US Open USA
SL 28 Aug 1978 to 10 Sep 1978 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Kathy MAY-TEACHER (USA)
64 W LIESS (USA) / YEARGIN (USA) 6-0 6-4
32 W BOSTROM (USA) / RUDDELL (AUS) 6-2 6-0
16 W KIYOMURA (USA) / MAPPIN (GBR) 6-3 6-4
QF L NAGELSEN (USA) / SHRIVER (USA) 2-6 6-3 4-6


New Jersey USA
WT 21 Aug 1978 to 26 Aug 1978 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Kathy MAY (USA)
16 W DESFOR (USA) / LATHAM (USA) 5-7 6-2 6-1
QF L BOSTROM (USA) / RUDDELL (AUS) 6-7 6-2 2-6


Eastbourne Great Britain
WT 19 Jun 1978 to 24 Jun 1978 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering Julie ANTHONY (USA)
32 W HUNT (AUS) / POTTER (USA) 6-7 6-3 6-3
16 W DURR (FRA) / WADE (GBR) 6-2 6-3
QF L NEWBERRY (USA) / SHRIVER (USA) 2-6 4-6


Philadelphia USA
WT 26 Mar 1978 to 02 Apr 1978 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
16 B / BYE
QF L CASALS (USA) / RUSSELL (USA) 3-6 6-3 5-7


Hollywood USA
WT 09 Jan 1978 to 15 Jan 1978 Entry : DA Carpet (O)
partnering Dianne FROMHOLTZ (AUS)
16 L MARSIKOVA (TCH) / RICHEY (USA) W/O


US Open USA
SL 31 Aug 1977 to 11 Sep 1977 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering Lesley HUNT (AUS)
64 B / BYE
32 L MATISON (AUS) / WHYTCROSS (AUS) 5-7 2-6


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 20 Jun 1977 to 02 Jul 1977 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering Lesley HUNT (AUS)
64 W BRUNING (USA) / WALSH (USA) 6-3 1-6 6-1
32 W EVERS (AUS) / PINTEROVA (HUN) 6-4 6-0
16 L CHARLES (GBR) / MAPPIN (GBR) 2-6 4-6


Los Angeles USA
WT 14 Feb 1977 to 20 Feb 1977 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Kate LATHAM (USA)
16 L CUYPERS (RSA) / KRUGER (RSA) 4-6 1-6

MIXED DOUBLES


U.S. Open USA
SL 29 Aug 1988 to 11 Sep 1988 Entry : DA Hard (O)
partnering Ken FLACH (USA)
32 O LOZANO (MEX) / MC NEIL (USA) W/O
16 W JENSEN (USA) / REIS (USA) 6-4 6-4
QF W STEWART (USA) / GARRISON (USA) 7-5 7-5
SF L MCENROE (USA) / SMYLIE (AUS) 2-6 1-6


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 21 Jun 1982 to 04 Jul 1982 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
64 L HOOPER (USA) / WHITE (USA) 5-7 2-6


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 22 Jun 1981 to 04 Jul 1981 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
64 W KRULEVITZ (USA) / ROMANOV (ROM) 6-7 6-2 6-2
32 W DREWETT (AUS) / STRATTON (USA) 6-4 7-6
16 W CARTER (AUS) / WHITE (USA) 6-2 7-5
QF W AMRITRAJ (IND) / WADE (GBR) 6-4 3-6 7-5
SF W ROCHE (AUS) / BUNGE (FRG) 6-2 7-6
FR L MC MILLAN (RSA) / STOVE (NED) 6-4 6-7 3-6


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 23 Jun 1980 to 06 Jul 1980 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
64 B / BYE
32 W NEWCOMBE (AUS) / CAWLEY (AUS) 2-6 7-6 6-4
16 W MITTON (RSA) / KLOSS (RSA) 6-4 6-2
QF W DOWDESWELL (SUI) / STEVENS (RSA) 7-6 6-1
SF W MC MILLAN (RSA) / STOVE (NED) 6-4 6-2
FR W EDMONDSON (AUS) / FROMHOLTZ (AUS) 4-6 7-6 6-3


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 25 Jun 1979 to 07 Jul 1979 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
64 L RIESSEN (USA) / TURNBULL (AUS) 0-6 5-7


Wimbledon Great Britain
SL 26 Jun 1978 to 08 Jul 1978 Entry : DA Grass (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
64 W LEWIS (NZL) / ANLIOT (SWE) 6-1 6-4
32 W CASE (AUS) / GUERRANT (USA) 6-4 6-3
16 L LLOYD (GBR) / CHARLES (GBR) 3-6 4-6


U.S. Open USA
SL 29 Aug 1977 to 11 Sep 1977 Entry : DA Clay (O)
partnering John AUSTIN (USA)
32 W MAZE (USA) / FOROOD (USA) 6-2 5-7 6-0
16 L MC NAIR (USA) / RUSSELL (USA) 4-6 4-6
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Thanks so much for listing these TommyStar VERY interesting reading!
I haven't read tracy's book; would someone be able to answer why she waited so long before playing singles? If she was ready to hit the courts in August of 1988, I find it hard to understand what the advantage was in waiting till Spring 89 before launching a singles comeback.

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she couldn't take that too-hot-to-trot team of navratilova and renee richards back in '79 (few could!)...and on the carpet, no-less:

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WT Jan 1979 Entry : DA Carpet (O) partnering Betty STOVE (NED)
QF L NAVRATILOVA (TCH) / RICHARDS (USA) 2-6 4-6

Andy, i do imagine she was easing in...singles is much tougher on your body, and she was also probably trying to get tournament tough with some match-play, albeit doubles, before taking on the pressure of everyone judging her single's 'comeback' performances. But its only guessing.
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Thanks so much for listing these TommyStar VERY interesting reading!
I haven't read tracy's book; would someone be able to answer why she waited so long before playing singles? If she was ready to hit the courts in August of 1988, I find it hard to understand what the advantage was in waiting till Spring 89 before launching a singles comeback.
Wasn't she involved in a minor auto accident that delayed her comeback? You know me and stats and my memory, Andy, but I seem to remember there being a crash she was involved in that delayed Austin a bit.

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The car accident put an end to her comeback plans for good. It was a major accident.
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As I recall, Tracy's car accident wasn't minor - it was in fact life threatening -and as I recollect, derailed Austin's comeback attempts permanently.

Thanks all for the Austin doubles info; very interesting.

As an aside, Chris defeated Tracy's older sister Pam (older by six yrs I think) 6-0 6-0 well before Chris and Tracy ever played*. Perhaps this was yet extra incentive for Tracy to beat Chris..as if she needed any!


*Source http://chrisevert.net head to head statistics.
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Rollo, you beat me to it ;thanks
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The car accident put an end to her comeback plans for good. It was a major accident.
Yes, the last car accident was major, but didn't she have a minor accident in 1988 which set back her plans to return. I believe she was involved in more than one, and the first one was minor scrapes and bruises that put her out of practice and training for a few months.

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I wonder how many double bagels Chris notched up during her career. I doubt if there are many who have done as well/better in that department. They just showed the Farewell to Chris Evert Wimbledon 89 doc on TV here, after the Hilton head World Invitation matches against BJK and Evonne. It was wonderful to see (again)! What touched me was that she describes seeing all her family in the stands giving her the inspiration to come back against Laura Golarsa and starts,
"Everyone was there: MARTINA, Pam, Andy, my parents..."
Has there ever been a rivalry where one player affectionately names her greatest rival/nemesis in such a context? I've said it before, but if you love one of them, you can't help liking the other.
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I was aware of Austin's '80 Wimbledon Mixed Doubles victory, but didn't realize she and her brother also made it to the finals the following year - impressive. Now I recall her partnership with Stove; seems they made a formidable team, including victories over the combo of Navratilova/A. Smith (Smith was no doubles slouch either)! The '79 Oakland match btwn team Austin/Stove vs Evert/Casals sounds like a highly entertaining/balanced confrontation as well. It's a pity many of these matches were never televised...or were they??
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Andy, that's true: Chris double-bageled more players probably than anyone ever will...she also double bageled the best of 'em...Martina in '81 & Tracy Austin in '82. Then there were MANY such close calls against all-time greats; beat Billie jean King SIX times without losing more than 2 games, Rosie Casals EIGHT times without losing more than 2 games, Francoise Durr FIVE times without losing more than 2 games, Virginia Wade SIX times without losing more than 2 games; then Jaeger 6-1 6-0 in her prime years, hana mandlikova 6-1 6-1 @ 86 french, manuela maleeva 6-1 6-1 @ amelia & 6-1 6-0 @ key biscayne, and martina again with a 6-1 6-0 win in the '75 Italian Open final.

Meanwhile, Chris Evert was NEVER double-bageled in her 20-year professional career.

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But to add some Bud Collins flair to the moment...

Did I mention that ELLY APPEL VESSIES of the Netherlands SUCCEEDED in AVOIDING Chrissie's terrible double bagels for breakfast in ALL THREE of their encounters (!) :

1975 Wimbledon 2R : Evert d. Appel-Vessies 6-0, 6-1
1976 Detroit, MI QF : Evert d. Appel-Vessies 6-1, 6-0
1976 San Francisco, CA 2R : Evert d. Appel-Vessies 6-1, 6-1


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To my memory, Chris's worst result was a 6-2 6-0 drubbing by Martina in 1983, correct? Thankfully, there weren't too many of those
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