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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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Chaos in General Messages forum.

You know, I realize that the people who moderate this website do not get paid for it and so I honestly don't want to offend anybody. And TBH I have no idea who is really in charge of this website or how the higherarchy of the management works. I just get the feeling that criticism of the website management (who ever this mysterious entities may be) is heavily frowned upon. But I have to speak up and say that during the Grand Slams, it becomes especailly notable how poorly and arbitrarily the GM forum is moderated, and this AO has been the worst condition that I have seen the GM. Inane, randomly titled threads clutter the GM board horribly, acting as (mostly, but not always, unintended) spam. I could go to the 1st 3 pages of GM right now and easily find 50 threads that I would deleat without a second thought if I were a mod. Any idiot can start any random, senseless thread, and as long as it is deemed not to be offensive, the mods will not touch it. Meanwhile, threads with legitamate content are locked, moved or deleted on the basis of arbitrary moderator whims. My request is, please, if you are going to aggresively moderate the content threads (your call as its your website) PLEASE try to moderate the CONTENT-LESS threads as well so that the GM forum stays readable. I think as a start it would be great if there were some kind of syntax or grammer standards for thread titles, at least during the heavy-use Grand Slam periods like currently. Thx for your attention (whoever "you" may be).
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

I agree. For a commercial forum such as this, it's unacceptable
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post #3 of 44 (permalink) Old Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:39 PM
 
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I just get the feeling that criticism of the website management (who ever this mysterious entities may be) is heavily frowned upon.
Not at all.

I don't have any problem with you having an opinion and stating it provided you can do so civilly and provide evidence to back it up.

However, I disagree on what is and isn't legitimate.

It is a General Messages forum - if posters are abusive or spam the forum then moderators intervene, but the rest of it is very much what you posters choose to make of it.

There is a wide variety of age, literacy, interests, cultural backgrounds, intentions etc amongst the posters on this site and policing you all to the point of how to spell, address one another, share an opinion etc is rather beyond a moderator's remit. There are no eligibility criteria for joining this forum so it is always going to have these attributes.

I would remind you that the threads you consider to be irrelevant would rapidly vanish off the screen if posters didn't reply to them and legitimate topics would not be deleted if posters addressed one another with respect - much unlike the two anti-Ivanovic threads I closed about and hour ago.
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

I'll just have a look through the threads you've reported and see if I can clean them up.

Oh wait, you've reported 0.

If we deleted "50 threads from the first 3 pages of GM" as you think you'd be able to do, for every "thank you" there would be hundreds of complaints.

The staff here have to try to draw a line between what is stupid and yet acceptable, and what is stupid and unacceptable, what is for GM and what is not. The line is a grey one and there are overlaps, sometimes there are 5 mods online and sometimes there are not.

Unfortunately, if 1 thread is deleted that you think should have been deleted, there will be a percentage who will scream and shout and threaten all sorts. For every thread that is posted, there will be a percentage of people who think it should be trashed and will go crazy for every second it stays open.

One thing about the running of here is that it is NOT arbitrary. Mods & Admins discuss things constantly to try to please as many people as much of the time as possible, without breaking the rules.

You just basically saying "it sucks" helps no-one.
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Unfortunately, if 1 thread is deleted that you think should have been deleted, there will be a percentage who will scream and shout and threaten all sorts. For every thread that is posted, there will be a percentage of people who think it should be trashed and will go crazy for every second it stays open.

I think I am going against the grain in asking you to moderate MORE, not less. I think you've hit the point, which is that just because people scream and shout and threaten, does not mean that mods should be obeying the demands of such people. In fact quite the opposite, people who scream and shout and threaten are the exact ones who probably started the useless threads in the first place and should be deleated. "The squeaky wheel is the one to get fixed" is not the best formula for operating a quality message board.
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i don't usually remark on this...but you do realise that you make threads which contribute to the "nonsense" in GM

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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

@OP: Could you use paragraphs next time?
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I think I am going against the grain in asking you to moderate MORE, not less.
No.

You are asking us to remove threads according to your 'arbitrary whims' whilst conveniently ignoring the demographics of the board members that I have clearly stated for you above.

Not everyone is starting threads that you consider 'content-less' to spam the forum and they have every right to post them in the General Messages forum.

Once again, I say to you: if no one is interested in those threads they wouldn't reply and the threads would rapidly disappear off the main page. Posters are quite able to demonstrate their lack of interest in topics in this effective, albeit passive, manner. I expect it would be quite effective if you collectively put your minds to it.
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

Just a question, you mentioned two anti-Ivanovic threads, I didn't read them, but were any actions taken against those who started them or spread their venom in them? Temporary suspension at least, not just a meaningless warning. If not then I ask why.
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

Any sanctions given to any poster are only the business of the poster and the member(s) of staff giving the sanction.

As an aside, warnings are not meaningless.
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post #11 of 44 (permalink) Old Jan 24th, 2009, 12:29 PM
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

In general it's an open forum and you have to take the bad with the good. Not everybody likes everybody else's threads, period. But I have noticed that during the Grand Slams, GM gets extremely messy and some extra moderation (moving and merging, rather than deleting, threads) might improve the situation.
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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

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In general it's an open forum and you have to take the bad with the good. Not everybody likes everybody else's threads, period. But I have noticed that during the Grand Slams, GM gets extremely messy and some extra moderation (moving and merging, rather than deleting, threads) might improve the situation.
We do merge threads when necessary.
I believe we have merged at least 5 threads with the "AO fashion thread" for example, and when we see double result threads they are always merged as well.

The thing is, during Grand Slams there's just so much to discuss (results, predictions, other tennis news, etc) that GM will always be very full. I'm afraid there's no (realistic) way around this.

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Re: Chaos in General Messages forum.

i just wish mods would get rid of useless threads, the fact that iszavay deliberately open a thread to prove you can open any pointless thread, and it was left open and actualy got replies shows that mods aren't doing their jobs. the thread was 'what time will serena wake up tomorrow', obviously a very important question and totaly worthy of a gm thread, well according to mods.

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i just wish mods would get rid of useless threads, the fact that iszavay deliberately open a thread to prove you can open any pointless thread, and it was left open and actualy got replies shows that mods aren't doing their jobs. the thread was 'what time will serena wake up tomorrow', obviously a very important question and totaly worthy of a gm thread, well according to mods.
Sammy you are still missing the point. You need to report it. If no one reports it and we don't happen to see it, then nothing is going to happen. We don't spend 24/7 on here, we have lives.
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Sammy you are still missing the point. You need to report it. If no one reports it and we don't happen to see it, then nothing is going to happen. We don't spend 24/7 on here, we have lives.
im not going to go round reporting threads, i don't feel i should have to unless they are abusive, its the mods job to keep gm clean and have relevant threads in there. im totaly sick of the 'mods are busy, mods aren't on 24/7, mods dont spend forever in gm' lame ass excuse, because if i went and had a thread that discussed livescores in gm it would be moved before i could blink, funny that mods are always there to get rid of livescore threads but miss useless ones about crap .

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