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post #10 of (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 04:36 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by LDVTennis
Again, what you and most Seles fans lack is any sense of perspective.

Let's say I was a Seles fan. Quite a stretch, but I'm willing to pretend if you are. Would I as a Seles fan be touting the thrashing and humiliation of any other play in a grand slam match, knowing full well that my own favorite (Seles) had suffered her own fair share of humilating defeats in Grand Slam matches, including a 6-2 6-1 thrashing at Wimbledon in the '92 final?

Furthermore, as the hypothetical Seles fan that I am, would I even venture to criticize someone who has won Wimbledon (7 times) for losing a first round match, knowing full well that my own favorite (Seles) only reached one Wimbledon final, didn't win it, and has never reached another final there?

Moreover, would I, as a hypothetical Seles fan, feel just a little silly about trying to explain away the last loss in a grand slam match by my favorite (Seles) with events that happened more than 10 years ago, all the while knowing that the fans of the other player I mentioned in a disparaging manner don't need any excuses to explain why their favorite lost her last grand slam match? Because if you are a Graf fan there is no shame in Steffi getting to the final of her last grand slam, especially when she managed to play a close match. And, because there is no shame in Graf getting to the final of her second to the last grand slam and winning the tournament. But, I guess there is more than enough shame to go around if you not only lose to a second-tier player in your last grand slam match and if in your entire career you never even managed to win Wimbledon. Because if Seles had actually won Wimbledon after she came back, if she had reached the final in her last grand slam played, and if there were no shame in the way Seles has performed since she came back, then you would probably have other things to talk about. How shameful is that!

Nothing shameful about the TRUTH...

A player who is claimed by some Graf fanatics to be the best of of ALL time does not have to rely on the #1 ranked player in the world (who is just a tennager and #1 for consecutive years while winning 9 of the 11 biggest events in the sport over a period of more than 2 years) being stabbed in the back with a knife.

The Monica Seles incident in Hamburg, Germany at the end of April in 1993 -- especially when you take into consideration how dominant the young teenage Seles was in the months November 1990 through April 1993 -- SEALS it that Graf was not the best of all time.

Graf was in the middle of her career in the early 1990s -- and yet Seles as a teenager was the one ranked #1 and the one winning 9 of those 11 biggest titles between November 1990 and January 1993 -- and this, within itself, eliminates Graf from consideration as the top woman tennis player of all time.

Navratilova in her mid 30s (turned 34 in 1990 .. turned 35 in 1991 .. turned 36 in 1992 .. and turned 37 in 1993) had a winning record vs. Graf in the 1990s prior to the stabbing of Monica Seles in April 1993, including the only match Navratilova and Graf played against each other in a Grand Slam singles match during the 1990s.

Steffi was almost 18 years of age before she was able to win back to back matches against Navratilova for the first time. Of course, Navratilova was over 30 years of age by then.

The first time that Graf was able to win MORE than just 2 matches consecutively vs. Navratilova was when Graf was over 19 years of age and when Navratilova was close to the age Andre Agassi is now.

STILL .. Navratilova in her mid to upper 30s had a winning record vs. Graf in the years 1990-1993, including Martina winning the only match between the 2 at a Grand Slam event during the 1990s.

Seles, of course, as a top ranked teen phenom in the years 1990 through 1993, had a winning record vs. Graf as well before a jealous Steffi Graf fan stabbed Seles in the back with a knife.

1989 Brighton International (Brighton) Final 7-5, 6-4 Steffi Graf
1989 Roland Garros (Paris) Semifinal 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1989 Wimbledon (London) 4th round 6-0, 6-1 Steffi Graf

***Monica made her professional debut in 1989 at 15 years of age where she lost all of her matches 0-3 against then world number one Steffi Graf who made her professional debut in 1983 and was four (4) years older than Seles.***

***But from 1990-1993( before the stabbing), Monica Seles took over the top ranking has 4-3 advantage against Graf in head to head match-ups and was 3-1 in Grand Slam Finals against Graf who had fallen to a consistent number two.***

1990 Lufthansa Cup (Berlin) Final 6-4, 6-3 Monica Seles
1990 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 7-6, 6-4 Monica Seles
1991 Citizen Cup (Hambourg) Final 7-5, 6-7 (4-7), 6-3 Steffi Graf
1991 Women's Hardcourt Champs (San Antonio) Final 6-4, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1992 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 6-2, 3-6, 10-8 Monica Seles
1992 Wimbledon (London) Final 6-2, 6-1 Steffi Graf
1993 Australian Open (Melbourne) Final 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 Monica Seles

***Monica Seles also won her very last match against second ranked Graf at the Finals of the 1993 Australian Open***

Based on the 12 biggest events between the end of 1990 and the early part of 1993 there was nothing whatsoever which would suggest that undisputed world number one Monica Seles was not going to continue her dominance over women's tennis going forward.

No way Steffi Graf is the best woman tennis player in tennis history when you consider the truth of Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles in the years 1990-1993. Far from it...Not even close....

Now... that's what we call shameful....
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I just haven't quite figured out how to beat her"..........

------Steffi Graf.......
after her loss to Monica Seles at the Australian Open Finals, 1993.......

Steffi Graf's Career in a Nutshell.......

Gunther Parche
and WEAK Competition once Seles was gone.

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