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post #1 of 117 (permalink) Old Jun 11th, 2003, 04:36 AM Thread Starter
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Which Russian girl has the best Wimbledon prospects?

Nastya and Elena are most accomplished on grass (both got to the finals of warm-up tournaments last year). Anna got to the semis at Wimbledon, but it was too long ago and her current form says she'll probably withdraw. People talk about Nadia as a potential good grass court player (huge serve, comfortable at the net, smart).

And there is also Elena B., who is yet to show this year that she is finally planning to start playing some tennis, and Elena L., who is comfortbale on grass.

Lina is supposed to like grass, but I don't remember her accomplishing much at Wimbledon or any other grass tournament. Vera doesn't like grass and, truthfully, her game is not for grass courts. Dinara's game is a mess, but she does have potential of a good grass player IMO.

Given their current forms and how their games suit grass courts, what would be your rating of the best Russian prospect?

Mine is here:

1. Elena D.
2. Nadia
3. Elena B.
4. Nastya
5. Elena L.
6. Lina
7. Maria Sharapova
8. Dinara
9. Vera Z.
10. Anna

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i think petrova, bovina, lina k, kuznetsova, dementieva asnd zvonareva as well as myskina could do quite well and safina if she plays well might win a couple of matches. i put zvonareva in because she is in form and i don't really know what to expect from her on grass. i think bovina can do really well on grass and i also think that sharapova and douchevina could win a couple of matches if they make the main draw. i really think that grass coould be sharapova's best surface and she did reach the junior final last year losing to douchevina so they should both be good grass court players.

but based on form and style of play, i i have to pick 1 it would be petrova because she's playing well even against top players and she has a decent game for grass plus i think she has reached the fourth round at wimbledon before.

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Nadya's big serve and ability to play at the net makes her our best hope.

Nastya is by far the most accomplished grasscourter of all the girls. I would put Nastya's chances at #2

Elena D. had very decent grass results last year. She hates grass, but the grass hides her weakest part of the game - the serve, and magnifies her biggest part - flat forehand. She can do well, but she is unpredictable. After her brilliant play on the other green stuff and then, complete flop on red clay, I have no idea of what kind of frame of mind she is now.

Elena L., doubles specialists make very natural grasscourters. provided that she doesn't have a brutal draw, which she, likely, will - Top 8 seed in the third round guaranteed, - she might get into the second week.

Lina has the game for grass, and she proved it two years ago, but can she finally start to deliver in the bigger matches.

Elena B. has a season of slump, that is pretty obvious, she must have no confidence with losses
like she is having now.

Vera can surprise, apart from her being in unfamiliar territory, there is no reason whatsoever why shouldn't she defend her seed. And if she wins a couple of matches in Vienna, that will be a Top 16 seed.

Anna.. Should she be healthy, she could well be closer to the top of the list. But I don't think she is going to play.


Masha is an American trained player, those players usually can play grass. But she won't get a good draw, I am afraid.

Dinara.. Who knows.. She needs a good draw, not a big seed in the first round..

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Nadia! She has the best game for grass.

Vera Zvonareva, Anastacia Myskina

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Nadia, big serve + deep groundies and good net capabilities.

The others are all wild guesses because they haven't been consistent at all.
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Nastya,
Nadya,
Elena D.

Nadya, she could potentially go far, IF healthy. But I have NO idea what to expect from that girl! I hope she will bring a happy surprise again and find herself in the quarters or semis.

Nastya and Elena will sooner or later be stopped in their tracks by their wince-inducing 2nd serves, which could prove disastrous on grass. I don't expect to see them past the 4th round. For much the same reason, I would not place Anna K. on the list to do well at all, even if she were fully healthy. Even her better 1997-level tennis would cut no ice beyond a couple of rounds in 2003. Amazingly, Anna has not gotten past the 2nd round here since 1999; despite her stated love of grass tennis, she consistently performs poorly on it.

Then Sharapova, if she keeps up her good play, could surprise somebody (probably another Russian girl, you know how that goes!). Watch out for the famous grunt-o-meter to come out of the basement to measure her shrieks, if she gets past the first round. She is already tabloid fodder in the UK; just wait to see what they do if she looks like she might perform well. But I doubt that will affect her play.

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tenn_ace, Myskina has a huge serve? I don't think so. She has a good serve at best. Petrova's serve should be tough to handle on grass courts.

Here is my top 5.

1) Nadia Petrova - Her fine first serve and good second serve will give her opponents fits on grass courts. And she knows how to volley, too.

2) Anastasia Myskina - Myskina has the best all around game of all the Russian girls. But she does not play well in the grand slams. And that worries me.

3) Elena Dementieva - While her serve is weak she covers the court so well when healthy. And she proved at Amelia Island that he backhand is improved and we all know her forehand is Elena's weapon.

4) Maria Sharapova - She got to the Wimbledon girls final last year and is into the third round of Birmingham having routined Nathalie Dechy today. Maria has laser like ground strokes and she goes for winners. And that's a good combination to have playing on grass courts. Udachi Maria!

5) Vera Zvonareva - Vera plays with alot of fire and a fighters heart that will make her a champion someday. While she doesn't like grass courts, I wouldn't be surprised if she won a couple rounds at Wimbledon because she is a good tennis player. And her recent win over Venus Williams at the French Open proves that Vera is a name to watch in women's tennis.

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And, do I take it right that Sveta is not playing W? Why is she not mentioned?

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tenn_ace, Myskina has a huge serve? I don't think so. She has a good serve at best. Petrova's serve should be tough to handle on grass courts.
the cat, I meant Nadia

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And, do I take it right that Sveta is not playing W? Why is she not mentioned?
ooppsssss I completely forgot about Sveta.... I don't think though that she is up their on the top with other girls (Nadia, Lena D. etc)

I would rank her next to Lina... or even a place lower.

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Lina cannot stand the pressure. So while she is not playing a home favourite (I hope there are not any) and not on a main court she will do fine.

Alyona. The 1st relatively strong opponent will sweep her on grass. She was not optimistic about her chances at Wimbledon when I asked her in Paris. What`s more she said nobody of the Russian girls will make it to the 2nd week.

Nastya. IMO our best chance at Wimbledon. Her serve is not strong, but it`s not easy to handle. But she needs to be healthy.

Nadya. Despite her success at RG she is a dark horse. She has the most powerful serve among the Russian girls, that could help her much. She plays very well at the net, but she may be injured.

Masha Sharapova will get a top10 opponent in the opening rounds. That will end her run at Wimbledon.

Other girls do not have a least chance to go to the 4th round. Maybe Alyona Likhovtzeva will surprise us.

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1- alyona
2- nadia
3- anna
4- sharapova
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Hi tenn_ace! I was wondering if you meant Nadia instead of Nastya. I guess it's easy to get the Russian girls mixed up.

Last year Myskina went into Wimbledon burned out after making the finals in Birmingham and Eastbourne. She will be well rested this year and if she can win a couple of rounds her confidence on a grass court will grow!

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Lina cannot stand the pressure. So while she is not playing a home favourite (I hope there are not any) and not on a main court she will do fine.
That I comlpetely agree.. I saw it not once Lina completely folding under pressure.

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Alyona. The 1st relatively strong opponent will sweep her on grass. She was not optimistic about her chances at Wimbledon when I asked her in Paris. What`s more she said nobody of the Russian girls will make it to the 2nd week.
This doesn't make sense, Gleb.
1) We had two girls in the second week of W for last two years. And this year is our best year up-to date.
2)Alyona herself made it to the second week last year, and reached the finals of Heineken. I expect her defend her seed.
3)Alyona Likhovtseva, her last three losses at W, in case you forgot were Davenport, Williams, Williams. So each of last three years she lost to a defending champion and a future finalist. I just hope that a couple of players will leapfrog her in rankings this week, so she would be unseeded and not having to face a Top 8 player in the third round. Otherwise, it will be difficult for her to make it to the R16.

4) Nastya made finals in both grass tournies she played last year. Now, I guess, she no longer questions her own potential on the surface, but rather willing not to play 10 matches on grass coming into W. She is just shooting for bigger prize this year. Makes sense. And she will be seeded #10. I will be surprised if she does not defend her seed.

5) If Nadya's serve was nearly unbreakable on clay ( Capriati - only three breaks in three sets, few men can hold serve that well on clay), what's it gonna be on grass?

Barring the disaster, I expect as to have more than one player in the second week. Hopefully, three or four.

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Serge, I did not say nobody would make it to the 2nd week. I just underlined who could. Not too much choice though. The key factor to go far is to avoid Serena Wiliams and Henin - these two players neither of our girls can beat at the moment. VW, Kim, Capriati do not seem unbeatable, but anyway are still heavy favourites to beat any other player save the first two. So chances of a Russian in the 4th round I consider rather good, but not to the quaterfinal.

Edit: I hope I`m wrong. Maybe Alyona was just trying to put off the pressure, I don`t know.

BTW, I still have hope in Zhenya. I believe he can win it. It`s the most important tournament, she needs to win it there.

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