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Why was Mauresmo NOT moved up to #4?!

I simply don't understand why Momo wasn't moved up to take Venus's place in the draw and everyone else behind her moving up a spot. Why would the US Open place Srebotnik in Venus's place? This just doesn't make sense to me...it seems as if it would be a stronger half of the draw that way....am I missing something here?
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i was thinking the same thing? what is the rule on this?

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Grand Slams are independant of the WTA and don't follow their guidelines
and they simply use this to "fix" draws in favour of their home players if aseed withdraws.

Basically there is no rule.... they use whatever they like
If Jen was seeded 5th she would have been moved to #4 spot.

Roland Garros did this in 2001 when Lindsay withdrew, they moved Mauresmo and Tauziat to more "favorable" spots in draw and both lost in 1st rd.

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Wimbledon had the smae problem when mauresmo withdrew.

Sugiyama should have moved into Mauresmo's place as 13th seed, and the 17th seed shoudl take that position.

But idiot Wimbledon didnt do that, and the result? Lucie lost to Sugiyama instead of kicking Mandy's butt
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Then again, when Kuznetsova took Mauresmo's place as the 33rd seed at Wimbledon, she made it through to the quarterfinals.
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I wish they would either not do the G. S. draws so far in advance, because people usually wait until the last minute before they withdraw as it is a Grand Slam. Or, they should do the fairer option, of moving all the seeds around. What's happening now is really making the Slams unbalanced, and giving some players a big advantage.

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I wish they would either not do the G. S. draws so far in advance, because people usually wait until the last minute before they withdraw as it is a Grand Slam. Or, they should do the fairer option, of moving all the seeds around. What's happening now is really making the Slams unbalanced, and giving some players a big advantage.

I don't understand it either, and there's no real excuse for it.

What would be so hard with moving the seeds around?
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It would mean every player who has looked at the draw would have to reassess their preparation for the first round.
I.e. if you spent 72 hours practicing nothing but serves, only to find out that you are not in fact playing Mrs Evil Returner, then you would be a bit miffed.
(Yeah I know, I'm talking out of my ass again )
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It would mean every player who has looked at the draw would have to reassess their preparation for the first round.
I.e. if you spent 72 hours practicing nothing but serves, only to find out that you are not in fact playing Mrs Evil Returner, then you would be a bit miffed.
(Yeah I know, I'm talking out of my ass again )
The same happens if you're going to face a qualifier... they're placed well after the draw is made.

I think making draws fair is much more important than that, however.

I think the USTA also took into accordance, that this gives Cappy a nice road to the Semifinals...
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I believe -- but am not 100 percent certain -- that the U.S. Open has a 30-plus year history of doing exactly this when a seed withdraws prior to the tournament. They simply put the new seeded player into the withdrawed player's spot in the draw. It's a terrible way to do a draw, but they've mostly done it that way for as long as I can remember. I remember way back in the early 1980s when Tracy Austin withdrew, and the same situation happened. Andrea Jaeger was the one basically screwed, as she was on the cusp of a higher seeding and wound up in a worse part of the draw. I think Jaeger felt that Austin stayed in the draw on purpose, so she would get a worse seeding position.
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i was thinking the same thing? what is the rule on this?
The rule is, if the biggest media "star" remaining in the tournament has a soft draw, you don't fuck with it.

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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I believe -- but am not 100 percent certain -- that the U.S. Open has a 30-plus year history of doing exactly this when a seed withdraws prior to the tournament. They simply put the new seeded player into the withdrawed player's spot in the draw. It's a terrible way to do a draw, but they've mostly done it that way for as long as I can remember. I remember way back in the early 1980s when Tracy Austin withdrew, and the same situation happened. Andrea Jaeger was the one basically screwed, as she was on the cusp of a higher seeding and wound up in a worse part of the draw. I think Jaeger felt that Austin stayed in the draw on purpose, so she would get a worse seeding position.
If that is the case, then I could live with it, although it's still silly.

Maybe Wimbledon and US Open always do this procedure, while the French Open actually change seeds. So maybe the GS organisers are after all.
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I think it looks suspicious, Jen is America's sweetheart and now she has a bye into the semis.
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I simply don't understand why Momo wasn't moved up to take Venus's place in the draw and everyone else behind her moving up a spot. Why would the US Open place Srebotnik in Venus's place? This just doesn't make sense to me...it seems as if it would be a stronger half of the draw that way....am I missing something here?
I guess they figured that with Tina Krizan as her coach, Kata needed a break!
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controlfreak - Venus pulled out a day after the draw, not 72 hours. Also, she pulled out 3-4 days before the tournament started. Your arguments don't quit fit this situation.

I would agree with you - and what was done this year - if Venus had pulled out today. She didn't though. There was plenty of time for people to adjust.

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