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Arrow Who will have the best results in 2005: Kim Clijsters or Justine Henin-Hardenne?



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Now this is a toughy. Let's just hope they'll both be fit for (the most part of) the next year

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Impossible to say!!!

Depends on their health!!! All I want is them to be healthy and injury-free

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I think Kim if she fully recovers from injury - she's got too much to prove to herself and us to quit now.

Justine is an unknown quantity with this "mystery illness". To me it suggests that she just aint got the constitution to last at the top, if the physical price she has had to pay for last year is "exhaustion" for practically the whole of this year.

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Luckily for us Belgians we still have Kim whose constitution obviously can handle her power tennis, well except her shoulder and wrist of course

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If they're both healthy and able to play some 14-15 tournaments, they'll end 2005 in the top-5 at least
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I like Kim's chance better, just because of her consistency.
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Justine is an unknown quantity with this "mystery illness". To me it suggests that she just aint got the constitution to last at the top, if the physical price she has had to pay for last year is "exhaustion" for practically the whole of this year.

*fifi hears the trampling hooves of the just teenies approaching*
Actually, I agree. It's been obvious from the start that Justine is far more physically frail than Kim. Even though Kim has her injuries, she's overall much stronger and has a much better constitution so she recovers faster. That said, while I think Kim will recover better and have a more consistent year, I think Justine is more likely to win a slam or two next year than Kim is. This isn't because of any intrinsic superiority on Justine's part so much as the fact that she has less competition on her best surfaces than Kim does on hers. Justine has a very good chance at winning RG or Wimbledon if she happens to be physically fit at the right times. There are relatively few claycourters as good as her - Amelie who has a confidence problem in France, Serena who isn't completely fit or consistent either, and the army of Russians whom Justine has beaten fairly regularly. And, on grass, there's just Amelie and Serena and Maria really. Justine has the mental edge against Amelie and, against Serena, she has a chance, and we really don't know how she'd fare against Maria on grass. Kim, on the other hand, plays her best on carpet (where there is no slam), Rebound Ace where the GS is the Australian Open which she may find emotionally tough and where there are a fair few players whom she finds difficult to beat - Justine, Myskina, Serena, Lindsay, and hardcourts where she'd have serious competition from - Serena, Justine, Sveta, Dementieva, Lindsay. This isn't to say that Justine will necessarily win both RG and Wimbledon and that Kim can't win either the Oz Open or the U.S. Open, but I really think that there's more competition on Kim's best surfaces than there is on Justine's.
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I think Kim if she fully recovers from injury - she's got too much to prove to herself and us to quit now.

Justine is an unknown quantity with this "mystery illness". To me it suggests that she just aint got the constitution to last at the top, if the physical price she has had to pay for last year is "exhaustion" for practically the whole of this year.

*fifi hears the trampling hooves of the just teenies approaching*
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I really don't know. I'm guessing Justine, although Kim will have less trouble to reach her initial form again, I think.

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My heart says Kim, but I think JHH as she is starting from a far more beficial position than Kim.

Kim is likely to fall out of the top 100 early next season and now she isn't on the GE list will have to firstly beg tournament directors for wild cards and secondly has a limited amount she can take. Who knows if she can't play Antwerp she will have no ranking, so her best shot is probably to wait till Miami and try and get a protected ranking. Whatever tournaments she does get into she is likely to get very tough draws as she will be getting seeds very early, I have no doubt Kim can beat them but at first before she regains her form it will be tough. JHH on the other hand is top 10, so has none of that to worry about and hasn't missed as much tennis as Kim has.

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I think Kim if she fully recovers from injury - she's got too much to prove to herself and us to quit now.

Justine is an unknown quantity with this "mystery illness". To me it suggests that she just aint got the constitution to last at the top, if the physical price she has had to pay for last year is "exhaustion" for practically the whole of this year.

*fifi hears the trampling hooves of the just teenies approaching*

Justine may play less; but she'll be more successful simply because
she loves and lives for tennis. Different attitude, better results.

Exhaustion for playing straight thru 2001-2003 going up, up and up.
I can barely handle my jet lag from London to Singapore via
Bangkok with a 6 hour wait at Heathrow, and a 3 hour wait at
Bangkok. And this isn't even including the actual flight time in
air. 12 hours from London to Thailand, and another 3 hours from
Thailand to Singapore. My body still isn't sure if it's suppose to
eat breakfast or dinner!!!

Unless you know about jet travel in 3 different time zones,
judging someone else's health based on regular grounded career
schedules that do not include commutes across continents
please refrain from commentary.



How many times have some of you gone from Europe to Asia
and back into the USA? ???????????

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Actually, I agree. It's been obvious from the start that Justine is far more physically frail than Kim. Even though Kim has her injuries, she's overall much stronger and has a much better constitution so she recovers faster. That said, while I think Kim will recover better and have a more consistent year, I think Justine is more likely to win a slam or two next year than Kim is. This isn't because of any intrinsic superiority on Justine's part so much as the fact that she has less competition on her best surfaces than Kim does on hers. Justine has a very good chance at winning RG or Wimbledon if she happens to be physically fit at the right times. There are relatively few claycourters as good as her - Amelie who has a confidence problem in France, Serena who isn't completely fit or consistent either, and the army of Russians whom Justine has beaten fairly regularly. And, on grass, there's just Amelie and Serena and Maria really. Justine has the mental edge against Amelie and, against Serena, she has a chance, and we really don't know how she'd fare against Maria on grass. Kim, on the other hand, plays her best on carpet (where there is no slam), Rebound Ace where the GS is the Australian Open which she may find emotionally tough and where there are a fair few players whom she finds difficult to beat - Justine, Myskina, Serena, Lindsay, and hardcourts where she'd have serious competition from - Serena, Justine, Sveta, Dementieva, Lindsay. This isn't to say that Justine will necessarily win both RG and Wimbledon and that Kim can't win either the Oz Open or the U.S. Open, but I really think that there's more competition on Kim's best surfaces than there is on Justine's.

If you look at her record, Justine's best surface is actually grass
and hardcourt. Hardcourts! There's tons of competition there.
There's a myth because she won RG that clay is her most successful
surface.

Err...right no competition like at the US OPEN and the Australian
Open. Uhuh.



*Why the JHH bashing here? I thought this thread was about
who will have a better season, not [Who you hope will lose
and fail, fall on their face and eat dirt?].

Can't we all just be civil, for a change?

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Greenout, there is no JHH bashing here - it's the expression of opinions on Kim & Justine's health and possibilities. For heaven's sake, as far as I know Saki is a Justine fan. So please quit being paranoid every time somebody posts something that does not coincide with you idea about your fave. The only way to have a discussion is contrasting opinions.

As for the subject discussed: I really do not know. Depends on their health, and that's a big question mark for all of us (and maybe also for them - who knows?).

Let's just hope they both get healthy next year: as we have seen in the past, they seem to need each other to get great results
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