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Davis Cup Final- Fed Cup Final?

It's basically off season for women's tennis now. So with the Davis Cup final coming up and with GB as favourites to win, do you think that with our current group of girls (Konta, Watson, Rae, Smith, Robson...possibly Swan some time soon) we could reach the Fed Cup final some time in the next few years?

I think in general GB have been very unlucky with the Fed Cup. I think our biggest chance was obviously against Argentina.. if only it had been a few years later.. But with Konta's breakthrough and with Laura hopefully on the way back, is it possible? Likely? etc...

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Re: Davis Cup Final- Fed Cup Final?

I think like the Davis Cup the GB girls cretaional have a chance if they are all returning to their consistent best so if Laura and return to her 2012/2013 form and build like we knew she could, if Heather could look like and act like that she gives a shit every game, if Katie can over come her knack of physical issues in tournaments and continue her stella development, if Johanna can continue to build on her mental improvements and we have Naomi who gets amovement/speed coach then GB have a chance in a year the big names are more focused on the tour.

I'm not sure smith and Rae are remotely good enough as doubles pairing to do anything on a world group stage, I love them to bits but they wouldn't be a world group factor unless they do a James Ward and GOAT against decent opposition who aren't in their best form, we would need to repair the others.

One hitch though, the Czech Republic always gives a shit about the Fed Cup and I believe they could beat GB even without Kviotova. However in a few years their army of players behind Petra will be looking old when our players should be peaking and coming into their own. The next generation of Czech's look good but don't appear to have a new Kvitova or even Safaaova in them and the non-Petra rubbers are certainly winnable. I love Pliskova but Laura prior to her injuries looked like she could beat her. So anything possible.

On another note, I fucking hope Andy is in perfect health for the Davis Cup final. It's pretty much all on him. Also then Bedene's appeal goes through.
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I think like the Davis Cup the GB girls cretaional have a chance if they are all returning to their consistent best so if Laura and return to her 2012/2013 form and build like we knew she could, if Heather could look like and act like that she gives a shit every game, if Katie can over come her knack of physical issues in tournaments and continue her stella development, if Johanna can continue to build on her mental improvements and we have Naomi who gets amovement/speed coach then GB have a chance in a year the big names are more focused on the tour.
Yes, well I am just hoping we will get out of the Europe group zone in 2016 and get another shot of moving into World Group 2. We were so close last time.. Understandably Heather really struggles with Azarenka's game, but who knew we had a person on the team (Konta) who can beat her.

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I'm not sure smith and Rae are remotely good enough as doubles pairing to do anything on a world group stage, I love them to bits but they wouldn't be a world group factor unless they do a James Ward and GOAT against decent opposition who aren't in their best form, we would need to repair the others.
Well they aren't at the moment..but hopefully they will just keep at it and improve against higher ranked double teams. They have a very strong record in Fed Cup though, and I think they maybe could GOAT like Ward, as playing for their country obviously means a lot to them.

It is interesting though, because even if the Rae/Smith partnership falls apart, most of our top singles players are also decent at doubles, so it wouldn't be so bad...


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One hitch though, the Czech Republic always gives a shit about the Fed Cup and I believe they could beat GB even without Kviotova. However in a few years their army of players behind Petra will be looking old when our players should be peaking and coming into their own. The next generation of Czech's look good but don't appear to have a new Kvitova or even Safaaova in them and the non-Petra rubbers are certainly winnable. I love Pliskova but Laura prior to her injuries looked like she could beat her. So anything possible.
Also, Heather has never lost to a Czech player. I don't think there's any guarantees but I think it's certainly possible that GB could beat a team like the Czech Republic in a rubber...

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On another note, I fucking hope Andy is in perfect health for the Davis Cup final. It's pretty much all on him. Also then Bedene's appeal goes through.
He got to the Paris final with no fuss. He can't beat Djokovic, but he won't need to, he already wiped Goffin off the court... Obviously it will be different in Belgium but still.. I think even Jamie/Inglot playing the doubles should be able to competently handle any doubles team from the Belgiums, they did very well against the Bryan brothers...

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Yes, well I am just hoping we will get out of the Europe group zone in 2016 and get another shot of moving into World Group 2. We were so close last time.. Understandably Heather really struggles with Azarenka's game, but who knew we had a person on the team (Konta) who can beat her.
A top form Azarenka is still above Konta by some way I suspect. But after the Olympics she won't be looking at the Fed Cup for 3 years.

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Well they aren't at the moment..but hopefully they will just keep at it and improve against higher ranked double teams. They have a very strong record in Fed Cup though, and I think they maybe could GOAT like Ward, as playing for their country obviously means a lot to them.
They have good records but it's been in the lower divisions, the Europe Africa Zone, 2 divisions below the world group. Ward has done it against Top 50 players. That is quite the difference, Smith/Rae aren't even able to make main draws of WTA doubles tournaments, most countries could ut together a scratch doubles team that would beat them.



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It is interesting though, because even if the Rae/Smith partnership falls apart, most of our top singles players are also decent at doubles, so it wouldn't be so bad...
Agreed. Though I'm not sure I see a world group quality combo.



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Also, Heather has never lost to a Czech player. I don't think there's any guarantees but I think it's certainly possible that GB could beat a team like the Czech Republic in a rubber...
I think like Smith/Rae this is an irrelevant record when against the world grop quality players. Serena execpted I have never seen anything from heather that shows she can be depended upon to beat a top 30 player, let alone top 10. I can't see her beating Pliskova or Safarova let alone Kvitova. All of home play their best for their county.


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He got to the Paris final with no fuss. He can't beat Djokovic, but he won't need to, he already wiped Goffin off the court... Obviously it will be different in Belgium but still.. I think even Jamie/Inglot playing the doubles should be able to competently handle any doubles team from the Belgiums, they did very well against the Bryan brothers...
Oh I agree, hence why I'm only worried about his physical condition for the Davis Cup. Andy is 2 dead cert wins and a propable doubles win. But we need him fit and rested. The last Davis Cup tie showed how draining it is when he carries the team on his shoulders. It's been huge good fortune Jamie really came back into fitness and form this year. he had a good partnership with Ingit but the Byran Brothers have declined as a big force this season and Ingot played the best i ever saw from him (and he hasnt been as good since), I wouldn't depend him, the best doubles team is Andy and Jamie and I hope Andy is fit, rested and focused so his singles matches can be just as he did to Goffin so he has enough in the tank for the doubles.
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Re: Davis Cup Final- Fed Cup Final?

Well from what I understand of the Fed Cup format... The furthest GB can get in 2016 would be to win the World Group 2 playoffs, meaning they could play in the world group 2 in 2017. So they can't get into the world group until 2018 at the earliest, by which time a lot of changes could have happened. Who would see Konta being in the top 50 or Heather beating Radwanska or almost beating Serena at Wimbledon this time last year??

But we definitely need someone who can reliable go up against top ten/twenty players.. I am also not so sure if Heather will be able to do that, I think the best candidate for that is Laura but of course she's a huge unknown at the moment. It will just be interesting to see how the other players can develop, particularly Konta. Anyway, even just finally getting out of the Europe zone would be a huge positive.

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Anyway, even just finally getting out of the Europe zone would be a huge positive.
Agreed. I feel they would have died be if if Laua had never crashed out with massive amounts of injury issues.

While it can't disagree with your points hugely I do feel that Konta's recent form has had a fair amount of good fortune as supposed mental development. She still shows weakness on big points but also that run of hers could also build the mental strength for her to kick on if it means she believes in her increased mental strength. Funny how it works sometimes.
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While it can't disagree with your points hugely I do feel that Konta's recent form has had a fair amount of good fortune as supposed mental development. She still shows weakness on big points but also that run of hers could also build the mental strength for her to kick on if it means she believes in her increased mental strength. Funny how it works sometimes.
Oh, well it's not like I think Jo is a definite top player now. I have a horrible feeling she is going to struggle at the start of next year.

I am also very uncertain about Naomi, as I have said many times that loss in Albuquerque was brutal, but at least she has a good coach now to hopefully help her get over it.

God knows what's going to happen with Heather..What happened to that player we saw at Wimbledon? Where is she? lol

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Baby steps. I just hope for them to get out of the zonal group. They have been close.
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Re: Davis Cup Final- Fed Cup Final?

Mother Murray on making the Fed Cup team a force...

Judy Murray on plans to make Great Britain a Fed Cup force

If anyone can do it, it's Judy!

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Mother Murray on making the Fed Cup team a force...

Judy Murray on plans to make Great Britain a Fed Cup force

If anyone can do it, it's Judy!
It has to be said that British tennis will owe a massive delt to Judy Murray, not just for Andy and Jamie, but for going above and beyond her role as Fed Cup captain to revitalise grass roots tennis and get more out of our talented youngsters, especially with the girls.
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Oh, well it's not like I think Jo is a definite top player now. I have a horrible feeling she is going to struggle at the start of next year.

I am also very uncertain about Naomi, as I have said many times that loss in Albuquerque was brutal, but at least she has a good coach now to hopefully help her get over it.

God knows what's going to happen with Heather..What happened to that player we saw at Wimbledon? Where is she? lol
Konta will hang round the top 50 I think. With all the work and hype she has had about her renewed mental strength can funny enough, make her think she is mentally stronger and thus actually be mentally stronger going into the next season and thus get better results. Funny how psychology works.

As for heather, I just don't get her. She is so bad so often now. I do wonder if her quite highly hyped coach is actually very good for her. Maybe Johanna's success will spur her on.
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