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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old Mar 7th, 2003, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
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The ones that didn't make it.......

TS's Aussie Junior thread gave me an idea to discuss the Aussie juniors that Tennis Aus ploughed a stack of money into but didn't quite make the grade.

There are many..... one notable one was Joanne Limmer.

92 Junior Australian Open winner over Davenport and won a round at the Aus open that year and then lost 7-5 to Kim Po in rnd 2. Big things were expected and then
Joanne hurt her wrist because of the extreme grip on her forehand. She took months off remodelling the forehand to semi-western, then I think had trouble with her shoulder. She had to build up from the bottom and never got the results again. During this time, she did stack on a bit of weight too.

When she was young she seemed like a level headed, tennis focussed kind of girl and did look the goods. Later on... as is the case with alot of Aussie girls... a few bad points and they get very down on themselves.

The list is big.... you can start with the likes of Ellwood, Drake Brockmann ... then the Joanne Faulls.....

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Yeah it's a shame about Limmer...I remember reading an interview with her and she said it was her dream to be no.1, and for a fleeting moment I thought...maybe It's amazing what happens in juniors, and how their careers have gone in drastically different directions! Anyway, a few players I can think of...

Renee Reid would be one I guess! I think we all know her story! I remember watching her qualy match on TV at the adidas (then called something generic like Peters NSW Open) against Pitkowski I think? Or somebody that she lost too (mightve been Pitkowski!), anyway seemed like a failry big strong girl with quite a bit fo power, but absolutely no control pr self belief. Very bad body language from what I could gather...

Rochelle Rosenfield. Just turned 22, and I imagine is gone for good? A shame, especially with all her injuries etc...hard to believe she played ahead of Molik and Dokic in junior team events!

Anyone remember Melissa Beadman? I dont know if she was a big prospect or anything, but for some reason I remember her winning a few satellites/challengers in a row back in 96 or 97 (by reading Tennis OZ mag ) and thought that might be a name to watch! Any dirt on her?

Esther Knox. I remember watching some junior final on Channel 2 between 16 year olds Ellwood and Knox...Ellwood made a good career, but what happened to Knox?

Going back a few years now...Maja Avotins? She was a fairly big prospect I think in the early/mid 90's. Who remembers that name? I once read an article on her in the Oz Tennis mag and she retired very young to go do medicine I think...apparently she found life on the circuit too much, which is the case with most of them!

I guess in the last few months you could add a pair of 20 year olds to the list...Melissa Dowse and Jenny Belobrajdic who I believe have packed it in. Jenny wasn't as highly touted as Melissa, so she was never really expected to do much, but Melissa's retirement was quite a surprise...I always thought she had lots of unrealised talent....

Oh well, lots more to pick and choose from Most of the players I mentioned, weren't really touted as the next big thing but definately showed some promise at some stage...I used to buy the tennis mag religiously as a kid and I remember all these names and reading stories on them...

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Esther Knox

Esther Knox went to the University of California, then the University of Georgia (where she was, I think, a member of the 1999-2000 NCAA Div 1 championship team). And I think that she was an All-American (don't know if it was full or honourary or however it is described) at both Universities. One of her Lady Bulldogs (Georgia) team-mates was Aarthi Venkatesan.

http://georgiadogs.ocsn.com/tennis_w...ry/index.shtml

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...11000051.shtml
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Ellwood had a reasonable career even if it was cut short, she was ranked in the top 60 for a while, and spent a good year and a half in the top 100!

Players like Melanie Clayton, Renee Reid, all the Cowan girls, Dowse, Rosenfield, Belobradjic, Grahame (most likely retired) Maja Avotins, Limmer, Drake Brockman, Kylie Hunt, Gail Biggs, the list could go on!
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Are Emily Hewson and Marinela Antonic still playing? I saw them play at Frinton and Felixstowe in Summer 2001 but haven't seen them since.
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Thanks Postcard for that link

Antonic played and lost in Bendigo & Warrnambool qualies, and I imagine she will play in Benalla this week...Emily Hewson actually played in a couple satellites in Thailand toward the end of last year (after returning from injury) but, I believe, injured herself again and hasn't been seen since...poor girl. Ditto Melanie Clayton who returned in the OZ challengers in October last year and hasn't played since. Those were her first events in 18 months or so. Either she re-injured herself or decided she didn't have the desire to go on...
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Ester Knox was embroiled in controversy a few years ago with AIS coach Ray Ruffels. Apparently he made her wear gald wrap to lose weight and used to make her parade around in her knickers to show everyone how overweight she was!!

Rosenfeld's dad was very anti-AIS and dragged Rochelle out very quickly, or maybe she didn't even have a stint with AIS at all. Basically dad wasn't happy because Tennis Aus wouldn't give Rochelle any funding or coaching because she was doing correspondance school instead of traditional schooling. He also was a bit radical and some doctors told him that Rochelle would have serious wrist injuries if she continued to hit a western forehand, so at a young age made her hit slice forehands.

Don't know much about Melissa Beadman TS, except her career has sort of mirrored Marielle Dittmans. Peaked in the edge of the 200's couldn't go further. Never touted as an upcomer tho.

I've posted a bit about Rennee Reid too! That Pitowski match I will never forget. Pitkowski was going mental at any close call and accusing the umpires of cheating. Rennee was a big girl and basically ran out of puff in the end. But Renee was able to beat Randirantefy and Hiraki the rounds b4.

Unfortunately Melissa Dowse never seemed to get any confidence back after her collarbone broke. Apparently was a homebody and didn't like travelling overseas either.

Kylie Hunt I think played a bit on the US College circuit. I saw her play a satelitte doubles in Bendigo, and she wasn't overally impressive.

Much money was ploughed into Ellwood, Drake Brockmann & Musgrave in their early days and I feel in a desperate attempt to prove the worth of the AIS. They were under the pump a bit at this time, for the lack of success of Australia mens and womens tennis. This was pre-Hewitt, Rafter, Pou success. They got coaching, support but really didn't have the firepower to achieve what the AIS/tennis Oz wanted..... they were predicting top 20 for Ellwood in particular, not top 100.

Joanne Faull was a disappointment. She was able to reach a 4th rnd at Wimbledon twice, French 4th rnd once however her game just feel apart. A back injury didn't help, however for someone who had much assistance as being the 'next big Australian thing' her forehand and 2nd serve were very average. However I think she feel into the syndrome of getting down on herself as soon as things got bad.

Anyone remember Natalie Frawley. I never saw her play, but I read an article from a sports psychologist about her. He used her as an example of when things got tight, alot of players start being way too agressive, in attempt to be not seen as choking! He encouraged her too choke (if you can believe it) and try and play her own game, instead of throwing matches away by over-agression. Not sure if it worked!!!

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Melissa Beadman's career was nothing like Mireille Dittmanns!!!

Melissa retired at like 24-25 and did nothing other than win a $25K in the Sth Aust challenger where she got a very easy run.

Beadmann only got to about 230 in the world and that was for a year, most of the time her ranking was below 350!

Melissa's game wasnt as powerful nor did she had consistent results. Mireille has been top 250 now for 3 seasons and has had several wins at $50K level and beaten several top 100-150 players, something Melissa never did!
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Sorry I humbly take that comparison back... now realising the huge successes of Dittmans career.

Either way for these girls like Melissa Beadman, Renee Reid they didn't (or in Marielle's Dittman's case are not going to) cut it on the tour despite sitting on the fringes. That's my simple comparison.

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I remember Faull's run at Wimbledon in 89, but I don't know too much about her as I was a little bit too young to remember. She is roughly the same age as Rachel McQuillan though, right? To reach the final 16 of a slam 3 times, is an awesome achievement though...a pity she couldn't capitalise.

Can't say I remember Frawley...and that is horrible what happened to Knox I never heard of that, I actually thought Renee Reid was the recipient of that humiliating act!

Simon, calm down Dittmann has done OK to sit around 200-270 the last couple years, but she's hardly been a revelation, the many losses far outweigh the good wins (kind of like Musgrave). I admire her for still sticking at it and I do feel for her at constantly getting snubbed by TA.
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Oh and speaking of Ellwood...I could never see top 20 potential in her, were they serious? I really liked Annabel but she had no where near enough power to make it that high. She did great to get to no.57 or whatever it was after reaching the Japan Open SF in 1997. I do feel however, that many people relied on that result too heavily and acted like it was the second coming...she did OK to reach the 3rd round at Aus Open the following summer and held her own in one match at the Hopman Cup but after that she just kind of faded away, I guess a mixture of pressure, and injuries....I actually believe she was playing pretty good before she retired and if the desire was there she could have made another crack at it. She was hitting the ball much harder and a lot cleaner towardsthe end of her career, than when she was 18-20 years old.
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LOL, I know MIREILLE, not Marielle, is no revelation! I just think its great that she has stuck it out through financial hardships chasing her dream. 14 years battling the challenger/satellite circuit before reaching the top 200 says a lot! Last year she qualified with her ranking to play 3 Grand Slam Qualifying and won matches at Wimbeldon and the Australian Open and also got direct entry into the main draw of a WTA event.

You have to admire her, sure she is unlikely to crack the top 175 but she's done better than Renne Reid and Melissa Beadmann combined. If you want to liken her to anyone, well actually I cant think of another Aussie to liken her against. Never known any other Top 200 Aussie not to have played at least 1 Main Draw Grand Slam. Probably Amanda Grahame is the closest, take out her semi final at Canberra and their career achievements are about the same.
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Who can't admire someone who sticks with it. Obviously she loves her tennis and well her job involves travel, keeping fit and doing something she really enjoys... not many people can say that!

Mirielle (yes not Marielle - but I thought that sounded sexier... like Mariel Heslop instead of Muriel Heslop ) hopefully can push towards 200 again, surely playing over 30 odd tournies a year must help!

Actually can't think of an Aussie in the top 200 over the 80's-90's who hasn't received a w/c into the Oz Open. Well it took sometime into the 90's b4 the draws got any depth.
Battlers over the 80-90's like Tracey Morton, Alison Scott, Louise Stacey, Sally McCann who have sat around 200ish, had very average tennis games (defintiely never major stars in the making), but still got wildcards. Maybe Maz has slighted someone.

I can remember John Newcombe saying when Louise Stacey was 12, that she was the best prospect we've had for years!!!

Joanne Faull was of similar age to Rachel Mc and they were junior rivals. As like Rachel they impressed in their early days due to an all-round talent and an eagerness that players have when they first hit the tour.
As this eagerness wains then the players natural talent comes into question and basically Joanne had some glaring weaknesses that was her downfall. However she was 1 set away from facing Navratilova in 88/89?? so it was a pity she couldn't build on the start she had.

The top 10 touting of Ellwood was from commentators like John Alexander, who I fell have no clue at times. On channel 7 once Rennae Stubbs was interviewed (I think b4 a Fed Cup tie) and made mention of the lack of funding & coaching given to the Aussie girls. JA then strongly disagreed with her and suddenley the interviewed ended without Rennae replying. I wonder if Rennae decided to pull the plug on JA Then to soften up things he said that the AIS had some definite top 10 prospects in Ellwood and Drake Brockmann and were turning things around in the women's scene. Yeah right

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Thought Id revive this one, after posting about Adamczak. I just can't believe how much the injury factor has curtailed many Aussie junior careers. Does this show that many of our juniors aren't strong enough for the rigours of tour tennis???

Some off the top of my head are (there's probably more):

Melanie Clayton
Adamczak
Jaslyn Hewitt
Christina H

and then from the past...... all off the tour for a large slab of time....

Joanne Faull - chronic back problems
Janine Thompson - knee, elbow
Kate McDonald - foot
Jenny Byrne, Kirrilly Sharpe - knee

Injuries are part of the game, but so is the ability to recover from them. Every player has injuries but the dedicated ones always seem to get back on track.

This could be due to lack of the right support at the time, bad advice or simply the player's body not strong enough to cope... Either way could be a reason for a lack of success over the years.

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too much pressure is out on the top jniors

or lack of success (escpecially in female) force TA to push our younger girls harder and some to hard and eventually break down

a few more to the list

Watson - coming back
Setuloski - not sure
Kriz - comming back
Adamsak - coming back (as we know)
dowse - retired
graheme - retired (heard she might come back)

alot of those girls were to be our future and what happened . . . . .

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