I sometime wonder about the 'esteemed coach' bit too
(Im still seeing red over the Ukraine fed Cup fiasco
To say she is better than Hingis is ludicrious. Hingis was the most talented player I have ever seen, she could hit any shot.... drop shots on the run....
Pity she became a bit of a head case and stopped using her strengths against the bigger hitters.
Unfortunately she became a bit of a head case
Agreed. Hingis was a freak, in a tennis sense. She could play every shot in the book and wrote a fair few new pages herself
I think the first nail in the coffin was the '99 French Open final vs Graf and there followed a gradual decline.
Don't agree. Barty has excellent hands and hand/eye and seems to be able to return half volley baseline shots with ease and return them with venom, which Hingis never really did, it was all about accuracy. I vaguely remember her talking about how she admired Andre Agassi and his ability to hit those same early returns but with just as much if not more power than the ball was hit at him with.
At her age she needs to mature physically and get stronger in order to do it more consistently obviously. Hingis was more complete by 15, but imo she also had more margin for error in her game, not to mention the number of power hitters around were far far fewer back then. But in terms of raw talent it's all there imo. There's a reason players aren't dominating the senior tour at young ages anymore. And it's not because the talent isn't as good. Quite the opposite.
Wozniacki hits harder than Hingis did imo. Though her ground strokes are slow compared to todays power hitters. Despite that shes not beating the best players in the world. Or else she would have won a grand slam. So her supposed "success" is simply being consistent in beating lower ranked players in minor tournaments through the year.
When I said she wouldn't have the same success, I meant it terms of dominating the sport and winning numerous grand slams. Hingis wasn't going to win any grand slams on her return. Her game is certainly good enough to beat on lower ranked opponents, and probably be a top 10 player in todays game, but like Wozniacki, if she couldn't break through for a grand slam then her career wouldn't be remembered all that fondly like it is now. I've nothing against Hingis, she was a fantastic player for her time. Just like Borg was for his time, Laver for his etc.
Seriously? You're comparing Barty's half volley baseline shots (hit against juniors and a smattering of players inside the top 200) with Hingis' attempts when she was up against players such as the Williamses and Davenport? Little wonder Barty's come off looking better!!
There are several reasons why young players aren't dominating the tour anymore;
1. Age eligibility rules restrict youngsters (such as Barty) from full schedules and therefore they will not be ranked as high.
2. There are not as many talented teens now or in recent times as there were then (Hingis, Williamses, Kournikova, Lucic, Clijsters, Henin, Dokic late 90s/early 00s). All of these players were either top 10 or had WTA titles to their names as teenagers. And all of them scored their fair share of upset victories.
3. There is more depth on the tour now (but they are not necessarily better at the top - it's no coincidence that the majority of posters on TF constantly lament the lack of true champions at the top, as well as the consistency of top tenners).
I think we can agree that Wozniacki hits harder than Hingis - and she is a better athlete - but in terms of tennis instinct and strategy, Hingis runs rings around her. Hingis ushered in a new kind of tennis player, one that appeared a counterpuncher but could hurt you with her deft touch, accuracy and all court play. There are only a few players who will be able to play in this way (another is Henin, Barty could follow in these illustrious footsteps but is a long way away)
Like I said earlier, if Hingis was a junior coming through today I'm sure she would have more power in her game - Melanie Molitor would have made sure of that!
I could understand if you said you think Barty will be a BETTER/more complete player in the long run (it is a big ask), but to say she is more talented?? No way IMO. That's like saying Wozniacki is more talented than Seles or Graf simply because she is playing today. The evolution of tennis and its top players is inevitable but talent transcends eras.
Hingis v Venus 1999 US Open. First set - Hingis 15 winners, 2 unforced errors...phenomenal!! Check out some of her all court play (1:07-1:13) and her half volley pick up (1:14-1:24).
At the time, John McEnroe said Hingis' first set was the best tennis he had ever seen a woman play. I think it is one of if not the best set of tennis Hingis ever played.
I miss this era!!