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Venus Williams vs. Kim Clijsters: Match break-down

OK, you're right. Fine, you can say it. "THIS IS TOO EARLY!" Yes, there are still six girls left in the draw that can beat one or both of these players.

But let's throw dreams and aspirations named Pisnik out the window, and get realistic: Venus and Kim will be playing in the final of the Diamond Proximus games.

It's an anticipated match-up. Venus has skunked Kim twice. Kim was in the process of doing the same to Venus once. Kim has won one close battle against Venus. Venus has won one close battle against Kim.

Kim has been the better player since after the US Open. Venus, however, remains the #2 ranked player in the world.

What do they have in their games that will make this an interesting match-up?

SERVES

Venus has the second-best serve on tour, and always serves as well as anyone when she plays a top-player. It is rarely her weakness. Kim has an excellent serve: good percentages, nice pace, nice spin, and a good second serve with few double faults. But even though Kim's serve is one of the best overall on tour, there is a difference between solid and explosive.

Winner: Venus

RETURNS

Kim's return game is impeccable. She breaks the Williams sisters numerous times every time they play. She takes the ball early and attacks the second serve. Venus also has a very aggressive return, but it isn't as dangerous as it used to be. Giving a second serve to Venus used to be death, but no more.

Winner: Kim

FOREHAND

Kim's forehand is deadly. She unleashes and explodes. However, much like Venus, when the match gets tight, so does her forehand. But when Venus and Kim are both having good forehand days, Kim's is better.

Winner: Kim

BACKHAND

Venus' backhand remains solidly consistent and amazingly powerful. Kim's backhand is consistent and powerful and very underrated. Both players can redirect the ball, and neither have a weak backhand. But given a short ball, I'll take ol' faithful.

Winner: Venus

SPEED

Both are very fast. Unbelievably fast. Venus has better reach. Kim has the time-saving slide. I don't know. You make the call.

Winner: tied

FINESSE

Ha.

Winner: Kim

MENTAL TOUGHNESS

Kim is mentally tough, but that loss to Serena...

Winner: Venus

My prediction? Kim in two. Her newfound consistence is the key.
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I'll go with u!! It's going to be the final b/w these two....
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Venus is two. She is focused on the diamonds and I don't think anyone is going to get in her way.

But we'll see. Both girls need to make it to the finals first...

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Question Re: Venus Williams vs. Kim Clijsters: Match break-down

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OK, you're right. Fine, you can say it. "THIS IS TOO EARLY!" Yes, there are still six girls left in the draw that can beat one or both of these players.

But let's throw dreams and aspirations named Pisnik out the window, and get realistic: Venus and Kim will be playing in the final of the Diamond Proximus games.

It's an anticipated match-up. Venus has skunked Kim twice. Kim was in the process of doing the same to Venus once. Kim has won one close battle against Venus. Venus has won one close battle against Kim.

Kim has been the better player since after the US Open. Venus, however, remains the #2 ranked player in the world.

What do they have in their games that will make this an interesting match-up?

SERVES

Venus has the second-best serve on tour, and always serves as well as anyone when she plays a top-player. It is rarely her weakness. Kim has an excellent serve: good percentages, nice pace, nice spin, and a good second serve with few double faults. But even though Kim's serve is one of the best overall on tour, there is a difference between solid and explosive.

Winner: Venus

RETURNS

Kim's return game is impeccable. She breaks the Williams sisters numerous times every time they play. She takes the ball early and attacks the second serve. Venus also has a very aggressive return, but it isn't as dangerous as it used to be. Giving a second serve to Venus used to be death, but no more.

Winner: Kim

FOREHAND

Kim's forehand is deadly. She unleashes and explodes. However, much like Venus, when the match gets tight, so does her forehand. But when Venus and Kim are both having good forehand days, Kim's is better.

Winner: Kim

BACKHAND

Venus' backhand remains solidly consistent and amazingly powerful. Kim's backhand is consistent and powerful and very underrated. Both players can redirect the ball, and neither have a weak backhand. But given a short ball, I'll take ol' faithful.

Winner: Venus

SPEED

Both are very fast. Unbelievably fast. Venus has better reach. Kim has the time-saving slide. I don't know. You make the call.

Winner: tied

FINESSE

Ha.

Winner: Kim

MENTAL TOUGHNESS

Kim is mentally tough, but that loss to Serena...

Winner: Venus

My prediction? Kim in two. Her newfound consistence is the key.
Kim is consistent; a consistent loser to the Willaims sisters. Depending on her service game, Venus will win in either two or three sets. I still can't believe that Kim lost to Serena at the AO. BTW, Venus played a better second round match than Kim did.
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My breakdown:

Serve:
Venus

Return:
Venus

Forehand:
Tied

Backhand:
Venus

Speed:
Kim maybe a little faster, but who needs speed, when you have Venus' reach?

Finesse:
Venus! Her net play is one of the best in the game!

Mental Toughness:
Venus. If Kim gets close to winning the match, will thoughts of the Aussie enter her mind?

Power:
Venus

Over all, its Venus' match to lose. If Vee's on, she will win in 2; if she's off it will be a 3 setter.
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Without any doubt ... Venus in straight sets (LA doesn't count, in Hamburg Kim won but it was very tight and on clay, "worst" surface for Venus).

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Quote:
Originally posted by tennisIlove09
My breakdown:

Serve:
Venus

Return:
Venus

Forehand:
Tied

Backhand:
Venus

Speed:
Kim maybe a little faster, but who needs speed, when you have Venus' reach?

Finesse:
Venus! Her net play is one of the best in the game!

Mental Toughness:
Venus. If Kim gets close to winning the match, will thoughts of the Aussie enter her mind?

Power:
Venus

Over all, its Venus' match to lose. If Vee's on, she will win in 2; if she's off it will be a 3 setter.
Agree, except with forehand. I do think Kim has the more consistent and better forehand of the two. However, Venus' forehand is great WHEN it is on.

Finesse: Venus is definitely adding this in to her game by coming into net with tough volleys and so.

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considering it's ooooo - that was pretty objective for him

but I still think it's TOOOOOOO EARLY

with that said GOOOOOO Venus


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Kim has no more finesse than Venus does and I would say Venus is faster because she runs down more of Serenas shots than Kim does. I would give the edge to Venus in two tight sets, or maybe three.
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Kim will win. Period.
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first Kim has to get through Patty and Justine.

if this final does eventuate - it looks like it's going to be pretty exciting


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