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It looks like Mona had her chances too in this match, wasted a few BP's in the second set, too bad
Anyway I still think it's a godd result, SF + F, and Vesnina is also playing excellent tennis at the moment, so I don't think this is a 'bad' loss.
Now onto the Australian Open with the tricky first round against Pervak, good luck Mona!!
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couldnt see it but not surprised that Vesnina won!
Mona reached the final but never played that great, too many errors in general and her serve wasn´t really working this week, still many things to improve but great to see that even average playing Mona can reach WTA finals
Still a good start into 2013, hope she reaches 3rd round in Melbourne now, all chances

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couldnt see it but not surprised that Vesnina won!
Mona reached the final but never played that great, too many errors in general and her serve wasn´t really working this week, still many things to improve but great to see that even average playing Mona can reach WTA finals
Still a good start into 2013, hope she reaches 3rd round in Melbourne now, all chances
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So Mona lost the final because of her attitude, on purpose ?
I agree with you. All this talk about Mona's on-court attitude being her downfall is utter rubbish.

It's indicative of how many tennis fans nowadays automatically assume you have to be a cµnt in order to be a champion.

That's a (mostly American) myth that already long ago has been debunked by the likes of Evert and Borg and Edberg and so forth...

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So Mona lost the final because of her attitude, on purpose ?
Your post seems strange. If a player's "attitude" is part of the issue (I don't think it is with Barthel)it has nothing to do with it being "on purpose." Almost all top players have a intense drive to win - a hunger. I don't know if that drive can be cultivated.

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Good god Mona - get a coach. You have so much potential and really you shouldn't be losing to players like Vesnina

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I think Pervak as a solid but not powerful baseliner should be a good matchup for Mona. So i am optimistic that we will see our girl winning on monday.
That Pervak is a lefty might help. No fh vs. fh cc battles. Even against a lefty forehand I´d take Mona´s backhand, so she should win those cc battles and then be able to rip the bh dtl. On the other hand, Barthel´s favourite bh dtl return will play into Pervak´s fh and she can redirect it crosscourt. The question is whether Pervak can absorb the huge power with some control and move the ball around a few times. Mots of the time, she could not against top players. If she can (like Vesnina) Barthel will be in a world of trouble.

Not to sound like a broken record, but until she gets a fulltime coach to work and raise her defensive side of the ball to acceptable standards, she is not going anywhere near the top. What we saw against Vesnina is not poor Barthel. It is normal Barthel. In essence her defensive liabilities make Barthel what most here would call a stupid ballbasher, even though it is by default. When she brings her A-Game (serve/return) she can dominate through them to hide her huge defensive deficiencies. If she doesn´t every player that can introduce some sharp angles, dropshots and deep balls into the match will draw errors quickly.

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Am I the only one who noticed that she doesn't adjust her grip? She can't even hit slice BH because she doesn't adjust her grip at all.


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That Pervak is a lefty might help. No fh vs. fh cc battles. Even against a lefty forehand I´d take Mona´s backhand, so she should win those cc battles and then be able to rip the bh dtl. On the other hand, Barthel´s favourite bh dtl return will play into Pervak´s fh and she can redirect it crosscourt. The question is whether Pervak can absorb the huge power with some control and move the ball around a few times. Mots of the time, she could not against top players. If she can (like Vesnina) Barthel will be in a world of trouble.

Not to sound like a broken record, but until she gets a fulltime coach to work and raise her defensive side of the ball to acceptable standards, she is not going anywhere near the top. What we saw against Vesnina is not poor Barthel. It is normal Barthel. In essence her defensive liabilities make Barthel what most here would call a stupid ballbasher, even though it is by default. When she brings her A-Game (serve/return) she can dominate through them to hide her huge defensive deficiencies. If she doesn´t every player that can introduce some sharp angles, dropshots and deep balls into the match will draw errors quickly.
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Am I the only one who noticed that she doesn't adjust her grip? She can't even hit slice BH because she doesn't adjust her grip at all.
I don´t get that at all. Don´t you experiment with that as a kid? You notice that grip doesn´t work (looks like she is about to break her wrist ) and you try a different one till it feels right. Some of her attempts are just cringe-worthy.

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-Her fans think she had very bad luck with her Grand Slam and Regular Tour draws.
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Am I the only one who noticed that she doesn't adjust her grip? She can't even hit slice BH because she doesn't adjust her grip at all.
Yes she plays with the same grip on both sides. I noticed that when I saw her in Copenhagen. Dunno about the serve though.

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Am I the only one who noticed that she doesn't adjust her grip? She can't even hit slice BH because she doesn't adjust her grip at all.
She couldn't slice, period.

Some of her slice attempts on her forehand side were just as abysmal as those on the BH side.

I like to believe she actually can hit those and that it's just a matter of getting used to

And getting used to requires good training.... and that requires good coaching.

So it all comes back to the same thing with Mona
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Yes she plays with the same grip on both sides. I noticed that when I saw her in Copenhagen. Dunno about the serve though.
When Mona plays her normal forehand she uses a semi-western grip. When you look at the position of her thumb you can see it clearly. Only for her defensive forehand slice she uses a continental grip.
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I agree with you. All this talk about Mona's on-court attitude being her downfall is utter rubbish.

It's indicative of how many tennis fans nowadays automatically assume you have to be a cµnt in order to be a champion.

That's a (mostly American) myth that already long ago has been debunked by the likes of Evert and Borg and Edberg and so forth...
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Her composure is a strenght and her apparent calm doesn't mean she isn't determined to fight and win.

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